Maarak and Baadhak sthanams - - References for ORB range

January 19, 2008

Dear Friends,

Please note that usually only the next house effect is taken when a

planet is close to the next cusp, except in Four Step both houses

are taken. References for ORB range are given below.

Regards,

tw

1. KP Reader IV, 1984, p 108, under " Is Marriage promised? Why is

there Abnormal Delay? "

" Rahu is posited in Thula very near the 11 th cusp.----- " (Rahu Li

13-09, XI cusp 15-38-42) ie. 2:30 orb

2. Shri Raichur

Msg#1590 by Shri Raichur

Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a

Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slighly less than that of

the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically

correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as

though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as

the next cusp.

Msg#2665 by Shri Raichur

Technically the Placemnt is strickly according to the degrees of the

planet and the house cusp. However, practical experince shows that

if the planet is very near the cusp, then it gives the results of

the cusp. Mr raichur's SW allows for 3.3 deg (A nakshatra pada)

based on his experience.

Msg#9255

It is my experience, as well as of Mr Sunil Gondhalekar that when

planets are close to a cusp, they not only give results of the house

they are in, but predominantly of the house to which they are near.

We fixed 3.2 deg as 1/4 of a pada of the nakstra, as an

approximation. I agree we need research on this before we can accept

it as a Rule. But we should not ignore the possibility.

3. T. Rajendra Kumar: " Aspects and Orbs in K.P. – New Features " ,

K.P. Year Book 2000, pp 80-83, in an example chart Jupiter is in V

but is very near (just behind/ 57 min only) the VI cusp. It

influenced his service. Even though the VI cuspal sublord is Mars

the native got into teaching. " ORB 1 or 1.5 deg "

4. T. Rajendra Kumar, M.COM, GRAD `CWA': " K.P. in Every Corner " by,

KP ANNUAL 2003, p.45-48; in an example Jupiter (in Cp 10-22) is

actually in 5H (6th cusp Cp 11-32), but it signifies 6H as per " ORB

Theory " (which was approved with case presented in magazines

like " KP & Astrlogy " & " The times of Astrlogy " ). If a planet within

1 or 2 deg behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the

following house, gains the significance of the following house, ie.

Jupiter gains significance of 6H and loses signification of 5H where

Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6H.

5. C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer: " K.P. Sub is an Endoscope " , KP Year Book

2005, pp 58-62, As Moon is in closed proximity to the II cusp by 5

deg and as this fastest planet offers continued family offered 2 nd

marriage to the native. " ORB 5 deg proximity "

6. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-8: " 5 or

6 degree " may signify the previous cusp; " 1 or 2 deg " having the

same sublord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp,

(similar to Msg#1590); Considering the planets beyond the limit of

the cusp concerned will make Krishnamurti Padhdhati diverse in

character, lose its image and make it a rigmarole. "

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram

wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> I am afraid we are getting too sticky about the rules.We should

not

> behave as if WE make the rules and the planets obey them, so that

a

> hard and fast line can be drawn-this much, and not a second

further!

> Unless of course,a study has been conducted to prove that no

aspect

> gives result if the difference is 3 degs:21 minutes or more.This

is

> my view.Now, as to how much latitude should be permitted is the

area

> where expert opinion would prevail.

> regards,

> sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r

> <raichurar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear sujatakarma

> > No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more

> >

> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> > Respected Tinwinji,

> > Sir,

> > Thank you for your clarification.

> > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the

> 11th

> > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha

14:22:34.Thus

> > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong

> significator

> > of the 11th cusp.

> > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an

occupant

> of

> > the 11th cusp?

> > Regards,

> > sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page

> 161-

> > 162

> > >

> > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in

these

> > houses

> > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the

negation

> > of

> > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2

and

> > they

> > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are

said

> > to

> > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana.

> > >

> > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of

the

> > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will

> never

> > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)......

> > >

> > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected members,

> > > > Sir,

> > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in

> > > attaining

> > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from

> > birth,

> > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we

> > relate

> > > them

> > > > with death?

> > > > regards,

> > > > sujatkaram

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > raichur anant

> > www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

> >

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> Search.

> >

>

January 19, 2008

Respected members,

Sirs,

TinWinji is a live encyclopedia of KP knowledge and correct

citations ! I would like to call him " TinWin_KP_dia " .

This is just a thought that sprang to my mind. No offence or harm

meant.

Regards

sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Please note that usually only the next house effect is taken when a

> planet is close to the next cusp, except in Four Step both houses

> are taken. References for ORB range are given below.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> 1. KP Reader IV, 1984, p 108, under " Is Marriage promised? Why is

> there Abnormal Delay? "

>

> " Rahu is posited in Thula very near the 11 th cusp.----- " (Rahu Li

> 13-09, XI cusp 15-38-42) ie. 2:30 orb

>

> 2. Shri Raichur

>

> Msg#1590 by Shri Raichur

>

> Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a

> Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slighly less than that

of

> the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically

> correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as

> though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as

> the next cusp.

>

> Msg#2665 by Shri Raichur

>

> Technically the Placemnt is strickly according to the degrees of the

> planet and the house cusp. However, practical experince shows that

> if the planet is very near the cusp, then it gives the results of

> the cusp. Mr raichur's SW allows for 3.3 deg (A nakshatra pada)

> based on his experience.

>

> Msg#9255

>

> It is my experience, as well as of Mr Sunil Gondhalekar that when

> planets are close to a cusp, they not only give results of the

house

> they are in, but predominantly of the house to which they are near.

> We fixed 3.2 deg as 1/4 of a pada of the nakstra, as an

> approximation. I agree we need research on this before we can

accept

> it as a Rule. But we should not ignore the possibility.

>

> 3. T. Rajendra Kumar: " Aspects and Orbs in K.P. – New Features " ,

> K.P. Year Book 2000, pp 80-83, in an example chart Jupiter is in V

> but is very near (just behind/ 57 min only) the VI cusp. It

> influenced his service. Even though the VI cuspal sublord is Mars

> the native got into teaching. " ORB 1 or 1.5 deg "

>

> 4. T. Rajendra Kumar, M.COM, GRAD `CWA': " K.P. in Every Corner " by,

> KP ANNUAL 2003, p.45-48; in an example Jupiter (in Cp 10-22) is

> actually in 5H (6th cusp Cp 11-32), but it signifies 6H as per " ORB

> Theory " (which was approved with case presented in magazines

> like " KP & Astrlogy " & " The times of Astrlogy " ). If a planet within

> 1 or 2 deg behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the

> following house, gains the significance of the following house, ie.

> Jupiter gains significance of 6H and loses signification of 5H where

> Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6H.

>

> 5. C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer: " K.P. Sub is an Endoscope " , KP Year Book

> 2005, pp 58-62, As Moon is in closed proximity to the II cusp by 5

> deg and as this fastest planet offers continued family offered 2 nd

> marriage to the native. " ORB 5 deg proximity "

>

> 6. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-8: " 5 or

> 6 degree " may signify the previous cusp; " 1 or 2 deg " having the

> same sublord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp,

> (similar to Msg#1590); Considering the planets beyond the limit of

> the cusp concerned will make Krishnamurti Padhdhati diverse in

> character, lose its image and make it a rigmarole. "

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > I am afraid we are getting too sticky about the rules.We should

> not

> > behave as if WE make the rules and the planets obey them, so that

> a

> > hard and fast line can be drawn-this much, and not a second

> further!

> > Unless of course,a study has been conducted to prove that no

> aspect

> > gives result if the difference is 3 degs:21 minutes or more.This

> is

> > my view.Now, as to how much latitude should be permitted is the

> area

> > where expert opinion would prevail.

> > regards,

> > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r

> > <raichurar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sujatakarma

> > > No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more

> > >

> > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> > > Respected Tinwinji,

> > > Sir,

> > > Thank you for your clarification.

> > > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the

> > 11th

> > > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha

> 14:22:34.Thus

> > > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong

> > significator

> > > of the 11th cusp.

> > > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an

> occupant

> > of

> > > the 11th cusp?

> > > Regards,

> > > sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition

page

> > 161-

> > > 162

> > > >

> > > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in

> these

> > > houses

> > > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the

> negation

> > > of

> > > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2

> and

> > > they

> > > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are

> said

> > > to

> > > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana.

> > > >

> > > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of

> the

> > > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will

> > never

> > > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)......

> > > >

> > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in

> > > > attaining

> > > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti

from

> > > birth,

> > > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we

> > > relate

> > > > them

> > > > > with death?

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > sujatkaram

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > raichur anant

> > > www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

> > >

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>

> > Search.

> > >

> >

>

January 21, 2008

Dear Sujatkaram ji,

1. This is my sole aim to provide KP learners with basic materials

to think and rethink on the basics of views and findings of Gurus

and scholars.

2. There was also a joke by our elder KP brother pilot Vaidum

Vidyadhar form Australia (Msg#2138), with whom we had a healthy and

constructive discussion on an issue in 'two' rounds till the cows

come home with facts and figures including manual calculations but

without foul play with 'hot air,...etc' conducive an intervention by

the moderator (Msg#2076/ 3018). I miss him.

Regards,

tw

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram

wrote:

>

> Respected members,

> Sirs,

> TinWinji is a live encyclopedia of KP knowledge and correct

> citations ! I would like to call him " TinWin_KP_dia " .

> This is just a thought that sprang to my mind. No offence or harm

> meant.

> Regards

> sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Please note that usually only the next house effect is taken

when a

> > planet is close to the next cusp, except in Four Step both

houses

> > are taken. References for ORB range are given below.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > 1. KP Reader IV, 1984, p 108, under " Is Marriage promised? Why is

> > there Abnormal Delay? "

> >

> > " Rahu is posited in Thula very near the 11 th cusp.----- " (Rahu

Li

> > 13-09, XI cusp 15-38-42) ie. 2:30 orb

> >

> > 2. Shri Raichur

> >

> > Msg#1590 by Shri Raichur

> >

> > Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a

> > Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slighly less than

that

> of

> > the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house

(mathematically

> > correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as

> > though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same

as

> > the next cusp.

> >

> > Msg#2665 by Shri Raichur

> >

> > Technically the Placemnt is strickly according to the degrees of

the

> > planet and the house cusp. However, practical experince shows

that

> > if the planet is very near the cusp, then it gives the results of

> > the cusp. Mr raichur's SW allows for 3.3 deg (A nakshatra pada)

> > based on his experience.

> >

> > Msg#9255

> >

> > It is my experience, as well as of Mr Sunil Gondhalekar that

when

> > planets are close to a cusp, they not only give results of the

> house

> > they are in, but predominantly of the house to which they are

near.

> > We fixed 3.2 deg as 1/4 of a pada of the nakstra, as an

> > approximation. I agree we need research on this before we can

> accept

> > it as a Rule. But we should not ignore the possibility.

> >

> > 3. T. Rajendra Kumar: " Aspects and Orbs in K.P. – New Features " ,

> > K.P. Year Book 2000, pp 80-83, in an example chart Jupiter is in

V

> > but is very near (just behind/ 57 min only) the VI cusp. It

> > influenced his service. Even though the VI cuspal sublord is Mars

> > the native got into teaching. " ORB 1 or 1.5 deg "

> >

> > 4. T. Rajendra Kumar, M.COM, GRAD `CWA': " K.P. in Every Corner "

by,

> > KP ANNUAL 2003, p.45-48; in an example Jupiter (in Cp 10-22) is

> > actually in 5H (6th cusp Cp 11-32), but it signifies 6H as

per " ORB

> > Theory " (which was approved with case presented in magazines

> > like " KP & Astrlogy " & " The times of Astrlogy " ). If a planet

within

> > 1 or 2 deg behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the

> > following house, gains the significance of the following house,

ie.

> > Jupiter gains significance of 6H and loses signification of 5H

where

> > Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6H.

> >

> > 5. C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer: " K.P. Sub is an Endoscope " , KP Year Book

> > 2005, pp 58-62, As Moon is in closed proximity to the II cusp by

5

> > deg and as this fastest planet offers continued family offered 2

nd

> > marriage to the native. " ORB 5 deg proximity "

> >

> > 6. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-8: " 5

or

> > 6 degree " may signify the previous cusp; " 1 or 2 deg " having the

> > same sublord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp,

> > (similar to Msg#1590); Considering the planets beyond the limit

of

> > the cusp concerned will make Krishnamurti Padhdhati diverse in

> > character, lose its image and make it a rigmarole. "

> >

> > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > I am afraid we are getting too sticky about the rules.We

should

> > not

> > > behave as if WE make the rules and the planets obey them, so

that

> > a

> > > hard and fast line can be drawn-this much, and not a second

> > further!

> > > Unless of course,a study has been conducted to prove that no

> > aspect

> > > gives result if the difference is 3 degs:21 minutes or

more.This

> > is

> > > my view.Now, as to how much latitude should be permitted is

the

> > area

> > > where expert opinion would prevail.

> > > regards,

> > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r

> > > <raichurar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sujatakarma

> > > > No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more

> > > >

> > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> > > > Respected Tinwinji,

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Thank you for your clarification.

> > > > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is

chara,the

> > > 11th

> > > > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha

> > 14:22:34.Thus

> > > > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong

> > > significator

> > > > of the 11th cusp.

> > > > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an

> > occupant

> > > of

> > > > the 11th cusp?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > sujatkaram. , " tw853 "

<tw853@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition

> page

> > > 161-

> > > > 162

> > > > >

> > > > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in

> > these

> > > > houses

> > > > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the

> > negation

> > > > of

> > > > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and

2

> > and

> > > > they

> > > > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7

are

> > said

> > > > to

> > > > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation

of

> > the

> > > > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who

will

> > > never

> > > > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)......

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sujatkaram "

<sujatkaram@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances

in

> > > > > attaining

> > > > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti

> from

> > > > birth,

> > > > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should

we

> > > > relate

> > > > > them

> > > > > > with death?

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > sujatkaram

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > raichur anant

> > > > www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

> > > >

> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> >

> > > Search.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 21, 2008

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