Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Respected members, Sir, It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them with death? regards, sujatkaram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Dear Sujatkaram, Moksha and death are two different entities...as far as my knowledge goes... Moksha is freedom from re-birth,while Death means life is extinguished. Moksha is promised only if the sub-lord of VIII is a strong significator of XII. The above is as per K.P. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. sujatkaram <sujatkaram Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008 1:16:02 PM Maarak and Baadhak sthanams Respected members,Sir,It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them with death?regards,sujatkaram Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161-162 Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these houses contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation of Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and they are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said to be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never hesitate to put an end to one's life)...... , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respected members, > Sir, > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them > with death? > regards, > sujatkaram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Respected Tinwinji, Sir, Thank you for your clarification. In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the 11th cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha 14:22:34.Thus the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong significator of the 11th cusp. Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an occupant of the 11th cusp? Regards, sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161- 162 > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these houses > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation of > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and they > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said to > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never > hesitate to put an end to one's life)...... > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > Respected members, > > Sir, > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > attaining > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate > them > > with death? > > regards, > > sujatkaram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Dear Members, Let me give you some information according to my experience/view regarding bhadaka/maraka and moksha sthanas, which may help others. The bhadaka planets may cause the death in their dasa or anthra dasa if they are the significators of 2, 7, 12 only if they are not the significators of 3, 8, 11. In all the other cases bhadaka planet causes difficulties in their dasa or anthra dasas. Again moksha stanas ( 12, 5, 9 ) are different from maraka/bhadaka sthanas. Rules To determine Bhadaka planet: The badaka planets are those planets who are posited in the star of lord of bhadaka stana or posited in the star of occupants of bhadaka stana. The badakastana can be determined based on the lagna for chara lagna ( Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn ) badakastana 11th house from lagna for sthira lagna ( Tauras, Leo, Vrichka and Kumba ) badakstana 9th house from lagna for dwiswabhava lagna ( other than above ) badakastana 7th house from lagna. The badaka planets means planets posited in the star of lord of bhadaka stana or in the star of occupants of bhadaka stana by the above rule. The maraka planets: Significators of 2,7 and 12. Thanks & Regards, Rao sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected members,Sir,It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them with death?regards,sujatkaram Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Dear Sujatkaram, Saturn doesn't become a strong significator of the 11th cusp as it's beyond the 3:20 orb. It'll be really effective when it's close to the cusp within 1-2 deg or to be in the same star and sub of the cusp concerned and the house with this cusp is empty. Regards, tw , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respected Tinwinji, > Sir, > Thank you for your clarification. > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the 11th > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha 14:22:34.Thus > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong significator > of the 11th cusp. > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an occupant of > the 11th cusp? > Regards, > sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853@> > wrote: > > > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161- > 162 > > > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these > houses > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation > of > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and > they > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said > to > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. > > > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)...... > > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members, > > > Sir, > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > > attaining > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from > birth, > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we > relate > > them > > > with death? > > > regards, > > > sujatkaram > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Dear sujatakarma No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Tinwinji,Sir,Thank you for your clarification.In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the 11th cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha 14:22:34.Thus the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong significator of the 11th cusp.Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an occupant of the 11th cusp?Regards,sujatkaram. , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161-162> > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these houses > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation of > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and they > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said to > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never > hesitate to put an end to one's life)......> > > > > , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@> wrote:> >> > Respected members,> > Sir,> > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > attaining > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate > them > > with death?> > regards,> > sujatkaram> >>raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Respected Sir, I am afraid we are getting too sticky about the rules.We should not behave as if WE make the rules and the planets obey them, so that a hard and fast line can be drawn-this much, and not a second further! Unless of course,a study has been conducted to prove that no aspect gives result if the difference is 3 degs:21 minutes or more.This is my view.Now, as to how much latitude should be permitted is the area where expert opinion would prevail. regards, sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear sujatakarma > No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > Respected Tinwinji, > Sir, > Thank you for your clarification. > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the 11th > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha 14:22:34.Thus > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong significator > of the 11th cusp. > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an occupant of > the 11th cusp? > Regards, > sujatkaram. , " tw853 " <tw853@> > wrote: > > > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161- > 162 > > > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these > houses > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation > of > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and > they > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said > to > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. > > > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)...... > > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members, > > > Sir, > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > > attaining > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from > birth, > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we > relate > > them > > > with death? > > > regards, > > > sujatkaram > > > > > raichur anant > www.jaxtr.com\anantachar > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Sujatkaram,The 3min.20 sec. guideline has been fixed by senior experienced person, based on the fact that this corresponds to one pada of a nakshatra. sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Sir, I am afraid we are getting too sticky about the rules.We should not behave as if WE make the rules and the planets obey them, so that a hard and fast line can be drawn-this much, and not a second further! Unless of course,a study has been conducted to prove that no aspect gives result if the difference is 3 degs:21 minutes or more.This is my view.Now, as to how much latitude should be permitted is the area where expert opinion would prevail. regards, sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear sujatakarma > No. The dif should be less than 3.333 deg. Here it is more > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > Respected Tinwinji, > Sir, > Thank you for your clarification. > In the horary I am examining at present, the Lagna is chara,the 11th > cusp is Sinha17:56:49,the position of Saturn is Sinha 14:22:34.Thus > the Saturn is not in the 11th cusp but becomes a strong significator > of the 11th cusp. > Under this circumstance, should we consider the Saturn an occupant of > the 11th cusp? > Regards, > sujatkaram. , "tw853" <tw853@> > wrote: > > > > KP Reader III, Old Edition, part 2, page 8-10,New Edition page 161- > 162 > > > > Houses 1,8 and 3 are judged for longevity and benefics in these > houses > > contribute for long life. 12th house to any bhava is the negation > of > > Bhava. Therefore the 12th house to 1,8 and 3 are 12,7 and 2 and > they > > are evil for one's longevity. That is why, house 2 and 7 are said > to > > be Marakasthanas and 12 is called the Moksha Sthana. > > > > Of all the planets, those which occupy the constellation of the > > occupants of the Bhadhaka Sthana are the most evil (who will never > > hesitate to put an end to one's life)...... > > > > > > > > > > , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members, > > > Sir, > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > > attaining > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from > birth, > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we > relate > > them > > > with death? > > > regards, > > > sujatkaram > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant > www.jaxtr.com\anantachar > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > raichur anant mumbai Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Sujatkaram, In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha-sthana)...as per K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. > > Respected members, > Sir, > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them > with death? > regards, > sujatkaram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 In KP Death Rule of " Maraka, Badhaka, Moksha " , Maraka= death, Badhaka= faster death and Moksha= end of 1st (native self, longevity, cure) because Moksha (12th) is negative 12 to 1st. , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respected members, > Sir, > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in attaining > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate them > with death? > regards, > sujatkaram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Shri Rao Sahab, Namaste. Can You pl. ket me know if I am promised Moksha ? My 8th Sub Lord is Guru, and strong significator of 12th. Though this is a KP Forum, but as per Jamini, I have Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa lagna, which promises Kaivalya too. Can You kindly confirm about this, through KP approach ? My Birth details. 10.14 am 28th June 1961 16.45N 81.09 E Eluru ( Near Vijaywada-A.P.) kind regards, and thanks, Bhaskar. , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Sujatkaram, > In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from > rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha- sthana)...as > per K.P. > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > Respected members, > > Sir, > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > attaining > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate > them > > with death? > > regards, > > sujatkaram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 dear bhaskar, take this as a funny question. how we will come to know whether you get moksha?-sunil gondhalekar On 1/23/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Shri Rao Sahab,Namaste.Can You pl. ket me know if I am promised Moksha ?My 8th Sub Lord is Guru, and strong significator of12th. Though this is a KP Forum, butas per Jamini, I have Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa lagna, which promises Kaivalya too.Can You kindly confirm about this, through KP approach ?My Birth details.10.14 am28th June 196116.45N 81.09 EEluru ( Near Vijaywada-A.P.)kind regards, and thanks, Bhaskar. , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1 wrote: >> Dear Sujatkaram,> In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from > rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha- sthana)...as > per K.P.> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > Respected members,> > Sir,> > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > attaining > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from birth, > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we relate > them > > with death? > > regards,> > sujatkaram> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Sunilji, It is not possible for us mortals to know whether one has/can achieve Moksha or not. One needs to be good Yogi to know this. But then shall we accept this rule as said by Shri Lajmiji,as under to Shri Sujitkiranji, if we cannot know this. // In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the > > > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha- > > sthana)...as per K.P.// Please enlighten on above. I would personally prefer to believe the rule. Bhaskar. , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear bhaskar, > take this as a funny question. > how we will come to know whether you get moksha? > -sunil gondhalekar > > On 1/23/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Shri Rao Sahab, > > > > Namaste. > > Can You pl. ket me know if I am promised Moksha ? > > My 8th Sub Lord is Guru, and strong significator of > > 12th. Though this is a KP Forum, but > > as per Jamini, I have Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa > > lagna, which promises Kaivalya too. > > > > Can You kindly confirm about this, through KP approach ? > > > > My Birth details. > > 10.14 am > > 28th June 1961 > > 16.45N 81.09 E > > Eluru ( Near Vijaywada-A.P.) > > > > kind regards, and thanks, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, " L.Y.Rao. " > > <lyrastro1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sujatkaram, > > > In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from > > > rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the > > > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha- > > sthana)...as > > > per K.P. > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in > > > attaining > > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from > > birth, > > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we > > relate > > > them > > > > with death? > > > > regards, > > > > sujatkaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dears Bhaskar,Sunil et al, In my humble opinion, If the s/l of the VIIIth cusp signifies the XIIth house,the possibility of one attaining Moksha(freedom from rebirth),is strongly indicated...again, as per a K.P. rule,not only as per Guruji KSK....but also referred to, by Shri Chandrakant Bhatt... Certainly no human being has come back to life to tell us exactly what has happenned...but like all other hypotheses,this is also one,based.perhaps on the sound rationale that the VIIIth represents DEATH and the XIIth is the MOKSHASTHANA...as is described by KSK as well as Chandrakant Bhatt and discussed in several articles in the K.P. & Astrology Annuals over the years... As for me,untill I come accross a reasonably better explanation/alternate hypothesis on this issue, I am afraid I will follow the rule mentioned at the very beginning... L.Y.Rao. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2008 6:59:58 PM Re: Maarak and Baadhak sthanams Dear Sunilji,It is not possible for us mortals to know whether one has/can achieve Mokshaor not. One needs to be good Yogi to know this.But then shall we accept this ruleas said by Shri Lajmiji,as under toShri Sujitkiranji, if we cannotknow this.// In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom fromrebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY ifthe s/l of the > > > VIIIth is a strong significatorof the XIIth(the Moksha- > > sthana)...as per K.P.//Please enlighten on above.I would personally prefer to believe the rule.Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear bhaskar,> take this as a funny question.> how we will come to know whether you get moksha?> -sunil gondhalekar> > On 1/23/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > Shri Rao Sahab,> >> > Namaste.> > Can You pl. ket me know if I am promised Moksha ?> > My 8th Sub Lord is Guru, and strong significator of> > 12th. Though this is a KP Forum, but> > as per Jamini, I have Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa> > lagna, which promises Kaivalya too.> >> > Can You kindly confirm about this, through KP approach ?> >> > My Birth details.> > 10.14 am> > 28th June 1961> > 16.45N 81.09 E> > Eluru ( Near Vijaywada-A. P.)> >> > kind regards, and thanks,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, "L.Y.Rao."> > <lyrastro1@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sujatkaram,> > > In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from> > > rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the> > > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha-> > sthana)...as> > > per K.P.> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in> > > attaining> > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from> > birth,> > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we> > relate> > > them> > > > with death?> > > > regards,> > > > sujatkaram> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear Experts, I came across this analysis in the following website. I think it will helpful. http://webpages.charter.net/rayudu/twokrishnamurthys.htm Twelfth Bhava of Two Krishnamurthys The following article was published in "The Times of Astrology" magazine, New Delhi, Feb 2002. The late Sri Jiddu Krishnamurthy (popularly known as JK) and the present Sri U.G.Krishnamurthy (popularly known as UG) are considered as enlightened thinkers, creative minds and world teachers of the present times in psychological, philosophical and spiritual fields. The discussion is mainly restricted to " Divine Knowledge and Moksha (final emancipation) " represented by the twelfth bhava. JK's HOROSCOPE Date of birth 12 may 1895, Time of birth 00:30:00 IST, Place of birth Madanapalle, Andhra Pradesh, India Longitude 78:34:00 East, Latitude 13:37:00 North, Lahiri's Ayanamsa Ascendant ( Lagna) Capricorn 23 deg 55 min; Aries -Sun 28 deg 48 min; Taurus- Mercury 07deg 22min; Gemini- Venus 06 deg 32 min, Jupiter 12deg 56min, Mars 19 deg 20 min; Leo- Ketu 26 deg 29 min; Libra Saturn Retrograde 10 deg 12 min; Sagittarius- Moon 02 deg 42 min; Aquarius- Rahu 26 deg 29 min;The 10th cusp is in Scorpio 2 deg 13 min and the 12th cusp is in Sagittarius 26 deg 7 min.Balance of Dasa at birth: Ketu 5 years 7 months 6 days. Jupiter, the preceptor of Devas and Gnanakaraka, is the 12th bhava lord aspecting the 12th bhava. The 12th bhava is also aspected by the 10th lord Karmadhipathi Mars (10th cusp being in Scorpio) in association with Jupiter directing the necessary energy into his spiritual pursuits. The 12th bhava is beyond the purview of Moon, Venus and Saturn as per the Bhava allocation. In Navamsa, Mars is in the sign of Gnanakaraka Jupiter, associated with intellectual Mercury and aspected by philosophical Saturn, Jupiter is in the sign of and association with philosophical Saturn. The foundation of the horoscope is quite strong since lord of the ascendant Saturn is exalted (his exaltation only conflicting his personality) and in the 9th bhava Atmakaraka Sun is also exalted, Saturn and Sun are well placed in Navamsa also. These combinations are very likely to be the same for others also born nearly at the same time and will not really give the clue about the acquisition of Divine Knowledge culminating in Moksha. Hence it is required to dwelve deep into the analysis of the 12th bhava for confirmation of these aspects. The 12th cusp falls into the sign of Jupiter and star Poorvashada of Venus , another preceptor (though preceptor of Demons, what if , preceptor only) and Yogakaraka for this horoscope. If the Poorvashada of Venus comprising of 13 degrees 20 minutes in the sign of Sagittarius is again subdivided as per the Vimsottari Dasa cycle starting from the sub of Venus, we get first sub lord of Venus in the star of Venus ruling for 2 deg 13 min 20 secs in Sagittarius from 253 deg 20 min to 255 deg 33 min 20 secs (sub in Venus star is 13 deg 20 min multiplied by 20 divided by 120). The second sub lord Sun in the star of Venus rules for 40 minutes (13 deg 20 min multiplied by 6 and divided by 120) from 255 deg 33 min 20 sec to 256 deg 13 min 20 sec and so on till the last sub lord Ketu in the Venus star rules for 46 min 40 sec (13 deg 20 min multiplied by 7 and divided by 120) from 265 deg 53 min 20 sec to 266 deg 40 min. Thus the 12th cusp being 266 deg 7 min falls under the sway of sub lord Ketu, the Mokshakaraka or Kaivalyakaraka, responsible for final emancipation. This is reinforced by the placement of Ketu (146 deg 29 min) in the star of Venus and sub of Ketu similar to the situation of the 12th bhava in the star of Venus and sub of Ketu. In addition, Ketu is in the sign of Sun, Atmakaraka and responsible for psychic development. Mercury responsible for psychological development and Rahu responsible for psychology, metaphysical aspects are in the sub of Ketu. Moon responsible for mind and psycho-physiological consciousness is again in the star of Ketu. Also Mars, Saturn and Jupiter are in the star of Rahu, a complement of Ketu Thus, the planet Ketu, the Mokshakaraka is not only the sub lord of the 12th bhava but also is in his own sub and also influencing all other planets. Again , both the preceptors, Jupiter and Venus, are in the sign and star of the 12th bhava. Hence all the energies of the native will be directed towards attainment of Divine Knowledge and teaching his experience to others and finally culminating to Moksha (enlightenment) .It is likely that the native might have got his enlightenment in the Dasa of Sun being exalted. UG's HOROSCOPE Date of birth 9 July 1918, Time of Birth 06:10:32 hrs, Place of birth Masulipatnam Longitude 81:07 East Latitude 16:11 North, Lahiri Ayanamsa Ascendant (Lagna) Gemini 29 deg 25 min; Gemini-Jupiter 6 deg 27 min, Sun 23 deg 24 min; Cancer- Saturn 21 deg 11 min, Mercury 6 deg 47 min, Moon 1 deg 46 min; Virgo-Mars 14 deg 53 min; Scorpio- Rahu 28 deg 24 min; Taurus- Venus 18 deg 45 min, Ketu 28 deg 24 min The 10th cusp is in Pisces 26 deg 7 min and the 12th cusp is in Taurus 28 deg 19 min Balance of Dasa at birth is Jupiter 1-year 10 months 17 days (Note: The date of birth, time of birth and horoscope are wrongly given in the magazine) Venus, the preceptor of Demons is the 12th lord deposited in the 12th bhava itself along with the 10th bhava lord Jupiter (as per Bhava allocation), the preceptor Devas and Ketu the Mokshakaraka and ofcourse Rahu responsible for psychology, metaphysics aspecting the 12th bhava. In Navamsa, Venus is in the sign of intellectual Mercury, Jupiter is in the sign of Mars and Sun and Ketu is again in the sign of and association with lord of the ascendant Mercury. The foundation of this horoscope is also very strong since the ascendant is Vargottama (same ascendant in Rashi and Navamsa charts), lord of ascendant Mercury, Atmakaraka Sun and Manahkaraka Moon are in lagna bhava (1st bhava), in Navamsa also Mercury, Sun and Moon are well placed. This situation, even through the normal standard has got strong potentialities to give success in acquiring Divine Knowledge and Moksha. But again it is required to be confirmed by further studying the 12th bhava with respect to its sub allocation. The 12th bhava is situated in the sign of Venus, in the star of Mars and sub of philosophical Saturn. The Mokshakaraka Ketu is again strongly situated I the combination of sign of Venus, star of Mars and sub of Saturn. The Atmakaraka Sun, the metaphysical Rahu are also in the sub of Saturn. The lord of ascendant, intellectual Mercury is in the star of Saturn and Moon, the Manahkaraka is in the sub of Rahu, the complement of Ketu. Thus the sub lord of the 12th bhava Saturn being himself a philosophical planet is directly connected to Ketu, the Kaivalyakaraka, being in the sub of Saturn and the other planets are also involve d with the 12th bhava, including the two main preceptors Jupiter and Venus. It is likely that the native might have got his enlightenment in the Dasa of Venus being in his own sign and 12th bhava. --- On Sat, 26/1/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Maarak and Baadhak sthanams Date: Saturday, 26 January, 2008, 10:35 AM Dears Bhaskar,Sunil et al, In my humble opinion, If the s/l of the VIIIth cusp signifies the XIIth house,the possibility of one attaining Moksha(freedom from rebirth),is strongly indicated... again, as per a K.P. rule,not only as per Guruji KSK....but also referred to, by Shri Chandrakant Bhatt... Certainly no human being has come back to life to tell us exactly what has happenned... but like all other hypotheses,this is also one,based.perhaps on the sound rationale that the VIIIth represents DEATH and the XIIth is the MOKSHASTHANA...as is described by KSK as well as Chandrakant Bhatt and discussed in several articles in the K.P. & Astrology Annuals over the years... As for me,untill I come accross a reasonably better explanation/ alternate hypothesis on this issue, I am afraid I will follow the rule mentioned at the very beginning... L.Y.Rao. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comFriday, 25 January, 2008 6:59:58 PM Re: Maarak and Baadhak sthanams Dear Sunilji,It is not possible for us mortals to know whether one has/can achieve Mokshaor not. One needs to be good Yogi to know this.But then shall we accept this ruleas said by Shri Lajmiji,as under toShri Sujitkiranji, if we cannotknow this.// In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom fromrebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY ifthe s/l of the > > > VIIIth is a strong significatorof the XIIth(the Moksha- > > sthana)...as per K.P.//Please enlighten on above.I would personally prefer to believe the rule.Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear bhaskar,> take this as a funny question.> how we will come to know whether you get moksha?> -sunil gondhalekar> > On 1/23/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > Shri Rao Sahab,> >> > Namaste.> > Can You pl. ket me know if I am promised Moksha ?> > My 8th Sub Lord is Guru, and strong significator of> > 12th. Though this is a KP Forum, but> > as per Jamini, I have Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa> > lagna, which promises Kaivalya too.> >> > Can You kindly confirm about this, through KP approach ?> >> > My Birth details.> > 10.14 am> > 28th June 1961> > 16.45N 81.09 E> > Eluru ( Near Vijaywada-A. P.)> >> > kind regards, and thanks,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, "L.Y.Rao."> > <lyrastro1@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sujatkaram,> > > In my humble opinion,MOKSHA means freedom from> > > rebirth.... after death...This is promised ONLY if the s/l of the> > > VIIIth is a strong significator of the XIIth(the Moksha-> > sthana)...as> > > per K.P.> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that maakak/baadhak sthanams cause hindrances in> > > attaining> > > > the final goal of life that is the MOKSHA that is Mukti from> > birth,> > > > death and rebirth.Is it true? If it is true , why should we> > relate> > > them> > > > with death?> > > > regards,> > > > sujatkaram> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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