Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Dear SK ji, Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets. Thanks and regards, tw , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respected members, > Sir, > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To what > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars represents > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > regards, > sk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets. " But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not considered. Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear SK ji, > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > Kaarakattva of planets. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > Respected members, > > Sir, > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > what > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > represents > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > regards, > > sk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 dear sujatkaram, pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has written " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and Mercury indicates education. " this quote is sufficient for karakattva -sunil gondhalekar On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets. " But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not considered. Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> Dear SK ji,> > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > Kaarakattva of planets.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote:> >> > Respected members,> > Sir,> > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > what > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > represents > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > regards,> > sk> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Sunil, I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the subject of Karakatatwa of planets. I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago, it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive. I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is an attempt to change the mindset. Regards. Satish , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > <% 40>, " tw853 " > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Respected Sunilji and Tinwinji, Sirs, Thanks for clarifying doubts raised by me.Both the clarifications, in my opinion, show the extent and the limitations of kaarakattva in KP. The picture will be complete when we consider the other side of the coin:- Guru is considered Santati-kaarak but when we examine a chart for santati we see whether the sub of the 5th/11th house is significator of the 5th or 11th or 2nd house.We donot see whether Guru is favourable or not. Guru is also considered vivaha-kaarak.But we only ascertain whether sub of the 7th cusp is significator of the supportive houses or not. We donot consider Gurubalam as is done in traditional method. Sunilji,in your book Vivaha-yoga, on page 67,you have specifically mentioned that though Guru was not favourable marriage did take place.At the same time on page 72 you have mentioned that in certain cases you give preference to Guru as it is vivaha-kaarak. What I have mentioned above about Guru can be said about all the planets. So many study-cases have been discussed in this forum but almost in all cases kaarakattva has not been considered in arriving at the prediction. Late shri.Hasbe Guruji in his famous book, has subtly used kaarakattva for fine-tuning the predictions arrived at by KP. Therefore, sir, my question was as to what extent the statement in question is true.I got the answer. regards, sujatkaram wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > <% 40>, " tw853 " > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 dear satish, you are right.forum should focus on this subject. sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case. the answer is offcourse no. -sunil gondhalekar On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sunil,I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the subject of Karakatatwa of planets.I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago,it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive.I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is an attempt to change the mindset.Regards. Satish , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: >> dear sujatkaram,> pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has> written> " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and> Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > of planets. " > >> > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered.> >> > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> >> > <%40>, " tw853 " > > <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear SK ji,> > >> > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > represents> > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > regards, > > > > sk> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there. But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology especially nadi astrology. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear satish, you are right.forum should focus on this subject. sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case. the answer is offcourse no. -sunil gondhalekar On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sunil,I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the subject of Karakatatwa of planets.I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago,it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive.I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is an attempt to change the mindset.Regards.Satish , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: >> dear sujatkaram,> pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has> written> " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and> Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered.> >> > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> >> > <% 40>, " tw853 " > > <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear SK ji,> > >> > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > <% 40>,> > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents> > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > regards, > > > > sk> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Shri Punitji, // But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology especially nadi astrology. // This is exactly the point what I wished to bring home in my previous thread, on KP and Traditional astrology wherein I was asked to unlearn the traditional system. To polish the predictions, the nature of the hapenning, how and in which manner, one needs to go into this research, which would help in rendering the prediction near perfect. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible > or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there. > But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible > without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is > certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research > is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to > predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology > especially nadi astrology. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > > dear satish, > > you are right.forum should focus on this subject. > > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case. > > the answer is offcourse no. > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the > > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets. > > > > > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago, > > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried > > > this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive. > > > > > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is > > > an attempt to change the mindset. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK > > > has > > > > written > > > > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th > > > house and > > > > > > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th > > > house and > > > > Mercury indicates education. " > > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva > > > > > of planets. " > > > > > > > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > > > > considered. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > > 40>, " tw853 " > > > > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > > 40>, > > > > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of > > > planets.To > > > > > > what > > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > > > > represents > > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 We all have our own opinions. What I said was my opinion, and it would be interesting to know what other senior astrologers think on this topic. What Lajmi ji tells often about unlearning is for the students of astrology so that they don't mix traditional and KP systems. It is a general statement and should be seen from that perspective. Above all, it is always up to the individual to take that or leave that. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Jan 25, 2008 4:50 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Shri Punitji,// But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava'is certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to predict some very amazing things thatwe see in traditional astrology especially nadiastrology. //This is exactly the point what I wished to bring home in my previous thread, on KP and Traditionalastrology wherein I was asked to unlearn the traditional system.To polish the predictions, the nature of thehapenning, how and in which manner,one needs to go into this research, which would help in rendering the prediction near perfect.rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:>> In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible> or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there.> But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible> without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is> certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research> is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to> predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology> especially nadi astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:> > > dear satish,> > you are right.forum should focus on this subject.> > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case.> > the answer is offcourse no.> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the > > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets.> > >> > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago,> > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried> > > this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive.> > >> > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is> > > an attempt to change the mindset. > > >> > > Regards.> > >> > > Satish> > > > > > <%40>, " sunil > > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear sujatkaram,> > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK> > > has> > > > written> > > > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> > > house and> > > >> > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th> > > house and> > > > Mercury indicates education. " > > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >> > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva > > > > > of planets. " > > > > >> > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > > > considered.> > > > >> > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > > > >> > > > > <%40><% > > > 40>, " tw853 " > > > > > <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><% > > > 40>,> > > > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected members,> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of > > > planets.To> > > > > > what> > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > > > represents> > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > sk> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear All, As per understanding of my elder KP/Vedic brother of 50 yrs learning astrology, one will be perfect if he clearly understands the karaka in traditional and sub in KP with a feeling that karaka is reflected in the sub. Firstly, it may need to make clear the role of karaka in traditional, for instance it is bad for karaka planet to be in karaka house but what will be if it aspects karaka house etc. Secondly, I don't see the karaka to play a more active role other than recently considered. If any useful particular point applicable in KP is raised, a review can be done practically. Thirdly, in my personal opinion, unlearning of traditional is not helpful in learning of KP because with unlearning of traditional the understanding of the Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa, which are two out of three pillars of KP, will be gone. My elder KP/Vedic brother has a feeling that Guruji KSK is so good in traditional that he might apply traditional in his prediction without leaving a trace. Fourthly, as elder KP brother Satish ji has correctly pointed out, time has changed and no more saying something is not KP whithout knowing what is this, for instance the 'intercepted sign' or 'floater' was branded as non KP and confusing for the forum. Regards, tw , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > We all have our own opinions. What I said was my opinion, and it would be > interesting to know what other senior astrologers think on this topic. What > Lajmi ji tells often about unlearning is for the students of astrology so > that they don't mix traditional and KP systems. It is a general statement > and should be seen from that perspective. Above all, it is always up to the > individual to take that or leave that. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On Jan 25, 2008 4:50 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Punitji, > > > > // But whenever we have to predict the nature > > of event, it is not possible without karakatva > > of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' > > is certainly one area in KP where more research > > is required. Once more research is done of the > > usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will > > be able to predict some very amazing things that > > we see in traditional astrology especially nadi > > astrology. // > > > > This is exactly the point what I wished to bring > > home in my previous thread, on KP and Traditional > > astrology wherein I was asked to unlearn the > > traditional system. > > > > To polish the predictions, the nature of the > > hapenning, how and in which manner, > > one needs to go into this research, which > > would help in rendering the prediction near > > perfect. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > <% 40>, " Punit > > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. > > marriage possible > > > or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important > > there. > > > But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not > > possible > > > without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of > > Karakatava' is > > > certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once > > more research > > > is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be > > able to > > > predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional > > astrology > > > especially nadi astrology. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > dear satish, > > > > you are right.forum should focus on this subject. > > > > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in > > every case. > > > > the answer is offcourse no. > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the > > > > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets. > > > > > > > > > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago, > > > > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists > > decried > > > > > this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually > > exclusive. > > > > > > > > > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is > > > > > an attempt to change the mindset. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 > > whrein KSK > > > > > has > > > > > > written > > > > > > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate > > house,4th > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern > > mother,4th > > > > > house and > > > > > > Mercury indicates education. " > > > > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in > > > > > Kaarakattva > > > > > > > of planets. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright > > significator > > > > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of > > karaka > > > > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are > > not > > > > > > > considered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40><% > > > > > 40>, " tw853 " > > > > > > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not > > believe in > > > > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40><% > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of > > > > > planets.To > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, > > mars > > > > > > > > represents > > > > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so > > forth. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 namasthe allregarding karakatwas our guriji made some interesting commentsin reader 4 p.no. 251-258 kindly go through. it will be helpful for our dicussion with regards..........tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear All, As per understanding of my elder KP/Vedic brother of 50 yrs learning astrology, one will be perfect if he clearly understands the karaka in traditional and sub in KP with a feeling that karaka is reflected in the sub. Firstly, it may need to make clear the role of karaka in traditional, for instance it is bad for karaka planet to be in karaka house but what will be if it aspects karaka house etc. Secondly, I don't see the karaka to play a more active role other than recently considered. If any useful particular point applicable in KP is raised, a review can be done practically. Thirdly, in my personal opinion, unlearning of traditional is not helpful in learning of KP because with unlearning of traditional the understanding of the Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa, which are two out of three pillars of KP, will be gone. My elder KP/Vedic brother has a feeling that Guruji KSK is so good in traditional that he might apply traditional in his prediction without leaving a trace. Fourthly, as elder KP brother Satish ji has correctly pointed out, time has changed and no more saying something is not KP whithout knowing what is this, for instance the 'intercepted sign' or 'floater' was branded as non KP and confusing for the forum. Regards, tw , "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote: > > We all have our own opinions. What I said was my opinion, and it would be > interesting to know what other senior astrologers think on this topic. What > Lajmi ji tells often about unlearning is for the students of astrology so > that they don't mix traditional and KP systems. It is a general statement > and should be seen from that perspective. Above all, it is always up to the > individual to take that or leave that. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On Jan 25, 2008 4:50 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Punitji, > > > > // But whenever we have to predict the nature > > of event, it is not possible without karakatva > > of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' > > is certainly one area in KP where more research > > is required. Once more research is done of the > > usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will > > be able to predict some very amazing things that > > we see in traditional astrology especially nadi > > astrology. // > > > > This is exactly the point what I wished to bring > > home in my previous thread, on KP and Traditional > > astrology wherein I was asked to unlearn the > > traditional system. > > > > To polish the predictions, the nature of the > > hapenning, how and in which manner, > > one needs to go into this research, which > > would help in rendering the prediction near > > perfect. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > <% 40>, "Punit > > Pandey" <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. > > marriage possible > > > or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important > > there. > > > But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not > > possible > > > without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of > > Karakatava' is > > > certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once > > more research > > > is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be > > able to > > > predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional > > astrology > > > especially nadi astrology. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > dear satish, > > > > you are right.forum should focus on this subject. > > > > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in > > every case. > > > > the answer is offcourse no. > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the > > > > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets. > > > > > > > > > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago, > > > > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists > > decried > > > > > this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually > > exclusive. > > > > > > > > > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is > > > > > an attempt to change the mindset. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, "sunil > > > > > > > gondhalekar" > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 > > whrein KSK > > > > > has > > > > > > written > > > > > > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate > > house,4th > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern > > mother,4th > > > > > house and > > > > > > Mercury indicates education." > > > > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in > > > > > Kaarakattva > > > > > > > of planets." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright > > significator > > > > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of > > karaka > > > > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are > > not > > > > > > > considered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40><% > > > > > 40>, "tw853" > > > > > > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not > > believe in > > > > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40><% > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of > > > > > planets.To > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, > > mars > > > > > > > > represents > > > > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so > > forth. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Sir Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as rightly said by tw, that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of Karaktva in kp and where to apply it? Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. Regards Sheetal On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > i > > > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and r > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I also feel, karkatva has role in specifying the nature of event or charecteristic featuresof person etc. eg Guru for expansion, shani for constriction, Budh for duality and so on. In kp we never use karakatva to decide whether and when the incidence will happen or not, but we may say that karkatva can tell us HOW the incidence will happen. Sheetal On Jan 25, 2008 3:59 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > > > > In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible > or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there. > But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible > without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is > certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research > is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to > predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology > especially nadi astrology. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear satish, > > you are right.forum should focus on this subject. > > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case. > > the answer is offcourse no. > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the > > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets. > > > > > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago, > > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried > > > this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive. > > > > > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is > > > an attempt to change the mindset. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka wrote: > > > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK > > > has > > > > written > > > > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th > > > house and > > > > > > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th > > > house and > > > > Mercury indicates education. " > > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva > > > > > of planets. " > > > > > > > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > > > > considered. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > > > > > > > <% > > > 40>, " tw853 " > > > > > <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > > 40>, > > > > > " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of > > > planets.To > > > > > > what > > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > > > > represents > > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 dear punit, after a longday i read ur mail pls highlight some karakatava of planets which help us who r the students of astrology thanx a lot sampaPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there. But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology especially nadi astrology. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: dear satish, you are right.forum should focus on this subject. sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case. the answer is offcourse no. -sunil gondhalekar On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 > wrote: Dear Sunil,I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the subject of Karakatatwa of planets.I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago,it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried this very sugestion,suggesting, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive.I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is an attempt to change the mindset.Regards.Satish , "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka wrote: >> dear sujatkaram,> pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has> written> "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and> Mercury indicates education."> this quote is sufficient for karakattva> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > of planets."> >> > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered.> >> > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> >> > <%40>, "tw853"> > <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear SK ji,> > >> > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > represents> > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > regards, > > > > sk> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Members, In my humble opinion,a karaka is not considered as a significator,simply by virtue of it's being a karaka... for the timing of events,unless it is a significator of the event under consideration,when it assumes more importance...especially if it is the D/B/A lord, to give the result... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Sheetal <ratnamalag Sent: Saturday, 26 January, 2008 12:25:49 AMRe: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. I also feel, karkatva has role in specifying the nature of event orcharecteristic featuresof person etc. eg Guru for expansion, shani forconstriction, Budh for duality and so on. In kp we never use karakatvato decide whether and when the incidence will happen or not, but wemay say that karkatva can tell us HOW the incidence will happen.SheetalOn Jan 25, 2008 3:59 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>>>>> In KP, most of the time we are predicting yes or not (e.g. marriage possible> or not) or timing. Karakatva of planets is not very much important there.> But whenever we have to predict the nature of event, it is not possible> without karakatva of planets. I believe 'application of Karakatava' is> certainly one area in KP where more research is required. Once more research> is done of the usage of karakatva in predicting events, we will be able to> predict some very amazing things that we see in traditional astrology> especially nadi astrology.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Jan 25, 2008 3:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear satish,> > you are right.forum should focus on this subject.> > sujatkaram has rightly said that whether we use karkattva in every case.> > the answer is offcourse no.> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> >> >> >> >> > On 1/25/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > I am happy now there are some free thinkers on the> > > subject of Karakatatwa of planets.> > >> > > I recall, when I raised this very subjects few years ago,> > > it raised the ambient temperature of the group.The purists decried> > > this very sugestion,suggestin g, Vedic and KP are mutually exclusive.> > >> > > I hope with passage of time,with newer members, there is> > > an attempt to change the mindset.> > >> > > Regards.> > >> > > Satish> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar"> > > <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear sujatkaram,> > > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical, edition-1981 whrein KSK> > > has> > > > written> > > > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> > > house and> > > >> > > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th> > > house and> > > > Mercury indicates education."> > > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > > > >> > > > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva> > > > > of planets."> > > > >> > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > > > considered.> > > > >> > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com <%> > > 40. com>, "tw853"> > > > > <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear SK ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%> > > 40. com>,> > > > > "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected members,> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of> > > planets.To> > > > > > what> > > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > > > represents> > > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > sk> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 dear members, let me share one example. one querent asked me that whether his contract will be extended and put one number.i calculated it and found that dasa is not connected with 3or 7 or 11 so answer was negative but dasa was of jupiter-karaka for expansion so i told him your contract will get extended and actually the contract was extened. this experience is of about 10 years back,right now i dont have details to furnish. the karakattva theroy was used by our hasbe guruji. -sunil gondhalekar On 1/25/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear SirYes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but asrightly said by tw,that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator forthe matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of Karaktva in kp and where to apply it?Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens onlywhen 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karakplanet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukraplanet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetionof Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear mydoubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. RegardsSheetalOn Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > i>>>> dear sujatkaram,> pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has> written> " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and r > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and> Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar>>>> On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > > >> >> >> >> >> > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > of planets. " > >> > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > considered.> >> > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > >> > , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > >> > > Dear SK ji,> > >> > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > >> > > Thanks and regards, > > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > represents> > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > regards, > > > > sk> > > >> > >> >> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily have own car? Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Sheetal Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Dear Sir Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as rightly said by tw, that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of Karaktva in kp and where to apply it? Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. Regards Sheetal On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > i > > > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and r > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear Friends, 1. I think Suprakash Ghosh ji is answering Dr. Sheetal ji's query in a form of counter query in order to mention a common practice of KP: IV+Venus = car (plus IX & X= enjoyment in present life of meritorious deeds done in the past lives) IV+Mars = building IV+Saturn = land, inheritance IV+Moon= mother 2. I'm wondering, 1)whether it may depend on place and time, for instance it's easy and essential to own a car in US; in East European countries the privately owned cars were rare in the communist era but now a days it's a part of life style there. 2)it may be working well for Bill Gates (with 4th cuspal sublord Mars) who bought a land with building under construction in Sep 1997 at the price of US$ 50 mln (US$ 125 mln value in 2006) but he used to go to his office by a moderate (not super) car. 3) how Guruji KSK predicted that one will not have his own house by the 7th cuspal sublord being Rahu in the Horary chart as Rahu and Ketu do not own any houses (4 Step Book, page 77-79) while 7th cuspal sublord of his natal chart itself is Rahu. I do believe that Guruji KSK had his own house. Tony Blair (AA- as per BC/BR- rated TOB with 7th cuspal sublord Rahu) has got some fancy taste in real estate, he already owns a five-story townhome in London's Connaught Square as well as a country house and other properties but he still has room for more. Despite owing around £4million on the four properties they already own, the Blairs have borrowed even more to buy their new property, taking their mortgage debts towards the £5million mark. 4) whether Sub Lord Speaks K.M. Subrananium's saying, "This (IV) tells about one's landed position & proceeds so on, and the property coming to him under lease can be built, with the connection of RAHU with IVth cusp" (KP & Astrology Year Book, 1996, page 103) is working in the Blair's case? Regards, tw , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily> have own car?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > On> Behalf Of Sheetal> Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM> > Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets.> > Dear Sir> > Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as> rightly said by tw,> that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for> the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of> Karaktva in kp and where to apply it?> > Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only> when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak> planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence> in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra> planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion> of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my> doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp.> > Regards> Sheetal> > > > On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar sunilalaka wrote:> > i> >> >> >> > dear sujatkaram,> > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has> > written> > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> house and r> > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house> and> > Mercury indicates education."> > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> >> >> > On 1/24/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > > of planets."> > >> > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > considered.> > >> > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > >> > > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear SK ji,> > > >> > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected members,> > > > > Sir,> > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > > what> > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > represents> > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > regards,> > > > > sk> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Sir Karka for property are sat. & mars.They are normally part of dba or aspect dba planets at the time of purchase of property.For vehicle purchase ven. is the karka & is normally part of dba or conjoins/aspects dba planets.People whose ven signifies 6 8 12 will have difficulty with vehicles.Ofcourse dba should signify 4 11( & 12) at the time of purchase of property or vehicle. A K SEHGAL--- On Mon, 28/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshRE: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Date: Monday, 28 January, 2008, 2:35 PM Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarilyhave own car?RegardsSuprakash@gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] OnBehalf Of SheetalFriday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM@gro ups.comRe: Re: Kaarakattva of planets.Dear SirYes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but asrightly said by tw,that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator forthe matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance ofKaraktva in kp and where to apply it?Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens onlywhen 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karakplanet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidencein their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukraplanet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetionof Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear mydoubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp.RegardsSheetalOn Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> i>>>> dear sujatkaram,> pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical, edition-1981 whrein KSK has> written> "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4thhouse and r> Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th houseand> Mercury indicates education."> this quote is sufficient for karakattva> -sunil gondhalekar>>>> On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > of planets."> >> > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > considered.> >> > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:> > >> > > Dear SK ji,> > >> > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > > Sir,> > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > what> > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > represents> > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > regards,> > > > sk> > > >> > >> >> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 In my humble opinion,for house/plot 4th CSL should be deopsited in a sthir rasi whereas for moving vehicle 4th CSL should be in char rasi.The details has been given in 6th reader. Regards Rajeev K Khattar , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily > have own car? > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > On > Behalf Of Sheetal > Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM > > Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. > > Dear Sir > > Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as > rightly said by tw, > that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for > the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of > Karaktva in kp and where to apply it? > > Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only > when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak > planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence > in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra > planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion > of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my > doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. > > Regards > Sheetal > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > i > > > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > > written > > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th > house and r > > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house > and > > Mercury indicates education. " > > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > > of planets. " > > > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > > considered. > > > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > Sir, > > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > > what > > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > > represents > > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > > regards, > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Sir, If the 4 CSL is deposited Dual sign will it signify both house/plot and vehicles? Kindly tell me how to interpret when 4 CSL is deposited in Dviswabhav rashi? Thank you very much. Regards, Sai--- On Tue, 29/1/08, Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab wrote: Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Date: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008, 2:57 PM In my humble opinion,for house/plot 4th CSL should be deopsited in a sthir rasi whereas for moving vehicle 4th CSL should be in char rasi.The details has been given in 6th reader.RegardsRajeev K Khattar@gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:>> Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily> have own car?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of Sheetal> Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets.> > Dear Sir> > Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as> rightly said by tw,> that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for> the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of> Karaktva in kp and where to apply it?> > Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only> when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak> planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence> in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra> planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion> of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my> doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp.> > Regards> Sheetal> > > > On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> > i> >> >> >> > dear sujatkaram,> > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical, edition-1981 whrein KSK has> > written> > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> house and r> > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house> and> > Mercury indicates education."> > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> >> >> > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > > of planets."> > >> > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > considered.> > >> > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear SK ji,> > > >> > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected members,> > > > > Sir,> > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > > what> > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > represents> > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > regards,> > > > > sk> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Saikrishna, In K.P., always look at the sub-lord,its position and signification...as the sub-lord alone will decide...for land/bldgs it should signify IV,XI & XII,and have a connection with Mars... For a vehicle the s/l of IV should be Venus, and strongly connected with a moveable sign...else,it will mean furniture...! Wirh best wishes, L.Y.Rao. neo spiritualist <neospiritualist Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 5:10:47 PMRe: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Dear Sir, If the 4 CSL is deposited Dual sign will it signify both house/plot and vehicles? Kindly tell me how to interpret when 4 CSL is deposited in Dviswabhav rashi? Thank you very much. Regards, Sai--- On Tue, 29/1/08, Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab > wrote: Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab > Re: Kaarakattva of planets.@gro ups.comTuesday, 29 January, 2008, 2:57 PM In my humble opinion,for house/plot 4th CSL should be deopsited in a sthir rasi whereas for moving vehicle 4th CSL should be in char rasi.The details has been given in 6th reader.RegardsRajeev K Khattar@gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:>> Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily> have own car?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of Sheetal> Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets.> > Dear Sir> > Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as> rightly said by tw,> that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for> the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of> Karaktva in kp and where to apply it?> > Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only> when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak> planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence> in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra> planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion> of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my> doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp.> > Regards> Sheetal> > > > On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> > i> >> >> >> > dear sujatkaram,> > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical, edition-1981 whrein KSK has> > written> > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> house and r> > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house> and> > Mercury indicates education."> > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> >> >> > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > > of planets."> > >> > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > considered.> > >> > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear SK ji,> > > >> > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected members,> > > > > Sir,> > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > > what> > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > represents> > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > regards,> > > > > sk> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Suprakash, For property,the s/l of IV,should signify IV,XI & XII and also have a connection with Mars...For a vehicle the s/l of IV should must signify II,IV & XI and have a connection with Venus...and be deposited in a moveable sign...as per Krishnamurthi Padhdhati... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 2:57:11 PM Re: Kaarakattva of planets. In my humble opinion,for house/plot 4th CSL should be deopsited in a sthir rasi whereas for moving vehicle 4th CSL should be in char rasi.The details has been given in 6th reader.RegardsRajeev K Khattar@gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:>> Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily> have own car?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of Sheetal> Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets.> > Dear Sir> > Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as> rightly said by tw,> that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for> the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of> Karaktva in kp and where to apply it?> > Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only> when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak> planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence> in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra> planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion> of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my> doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp.> > Regards> Sheetal> > > > On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> > i> >> >> >> > dear sujatkaram,> > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical, edition-1981 whrein KSK has> > written> > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th> house and r> > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house> and> > Mercury indicates education."> > this quote is sufficient for karakattva> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> >> >> > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva> > > of planets."> > >> > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator> > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka> > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not> > > considered.> > >> > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion.> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear SK ji,> > > >> > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in> > > > Kaarakattva of planets.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected members,> > > > > Sir,> > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To> > > > what> > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars> > > > represents> > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth.> > > > > regards,> > > > > sk> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 SUPRAKASHJI,mars connection with 4th results in dwelling house.(ref. reader3 p.no. 235,236)venus connection with 4th results conveyance.(ref reader 3 p.no. 259).4,11,12 significators will bring forth these results 6,9 houses for taking possession (of both).these rules are to be tested 1) 04-07-1983@12:47:40 guntur A.P. this is mine. 4th csl ket in ketu star & sub .signifing 2,3,4 strongly not connectd with venus. i had not any vehicle till now and also not expecting any in future. because i am a disabled person. But i am dwelling in the house given by my grandpa to my father. and i will have it in future. ket aspected by mars(8thlord),mer(10thlord).2)22-05-1951@13:15:00. 16.14N,80.27E this is my father.4th csl mar l/o 4,9 in 9 in ven sign sun star ket sub ketu in ven star.4th csl is connectd with both mars,ven. he had been using a bicycle from 1986 (ven/ket) till today (same one) he owned the house during aug1992 (sun/ven) with expiry of my grandpa.3)12-01-1977@22:32:30 secunderabad 4th csl sun in jup,sun.mars.mars in ven star.but this guy not even know how to drive a biscycle.we have to see whether he can own a car in future,. he is seraching for land.4) 01-05-1978@05:20, 16.14N,80.27E4th csl mars l/o 1,8 in 4 in moon sign sat star rahu sub.not connected with ven . no vehicle for her till now.chance to have a right in her husbands property.5) 22-04-1979@01:40 ,secunderabad4th csl jup in moon sign sat star mer sub.(mer is with moon,mars)he used others vehicles till now.and planning to have it in future.he bought a house on 06-01-2008 (ven/mars/sat/ven)much more data is to be scrutinised and learned members should also share thier views.conclusion: 1) karaka planet singnifiying relavant bhava is stronger than others to offer the result.ven connection to 4 & 11/12 can give vehicle also mars connectin with 4 & 11/12 can give own house.these two are to be supported by 4th csl.2) horary is to be used to confirm this.i may or may not be correct learned mambers should enlighten this,with regards.................. Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily have own car? Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Sheetal Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Dear Sir Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as rightly said by tw, that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of Karaktva in kp and where to apply it? Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. Regards Sheetal On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: > i > > > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > "planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and r > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education." > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that "It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets." > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > , "tw853" <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups Links Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Pavanji Thanks for this excellent note in support of Kaarakattva of planets in framework of KP.I hope more such examples from other members will help us reach a sound conclusion. Similarly, Kaarakattva of planets and rasis is essential for identification of diseases. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of vgr pavan Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:01 PM RE: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. SUPRAKASHJI, mars connection with 4th results in dwelling house.(ref. reader3 p.no. 235,236) venus connection with 4th results conveyance.(ref reader 3 p.no. 259). 4,11,12 significators will bring forth these results 6,9 houses for taking possession (of both). these rules are to be tested 1) 04-07-1983@12:47:40 guntur A.P. this is mine. 4th csl ket in ketu star & sub .signifing 2,3,4 strongly not connectd with venus. i had not any vehicle till now and also not expecting any in future. because i am a disabled person. But i am dwelling in the house given by my grandpa to my father. and i will have it in future. ket aspected by mars(8thlord),mer(10thlord). 2)22-05-1951@13:15:00. 16.14N,80.27E this is my father.4th csl mar l/o 4,9 in 9 in ven sign sun star ket sub ketu in ven star.4th csl is connectd with both mars,ven. he had been using a bicycle from 1986 (ven/ket) till today (same one) he owned the house during aug1992 (sun/ven) with expiry of my grandpa. 3)12-01-1977@22:32:30 secunderabad 4th csl sun in jup,sun.mars.mars in ven star.but this guy not even know how to drive a biscycle.we have to see whether he can own a car in future,. he is seraching for land. 4) 01-05-1978@05:20, 16.14N,80.27E 4th csl mars l/o 1,8 in 4 in moon sign sat star rahu sub. not connected with ven . no vehicle for her till now. chance to have a right in her husbands property. 5) 22-04-1979@01:40 ,secunderabad 4th csl jup in moon sign sat star mer sub.(mer is with moon,mars) he used others vehicles till now.and planning to have it in future. he bought a house on 06-01-2008 (ven/mars/sat/ven) much more data is to be scrutinised and learned members should also share thier views. conclusion: 1) karaka planet singnifiying relavant bhava is stronger than others to offer the result.ven connection to 4 & 11/12 can give vehicle also mars connectin with 4 & 11/12 can give own house.these two are to be supported by 4th csl. 2) horary is to be used to confirm this. i may or may not be correct learned mambers should enlighten this, with regards.................. Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Can anybody say why all people having their own house don't necessarily have own car? Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Sheetal Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 PM Re: Re: Kaarakattva of planets. Dear Sir Yes we all read that kp believes in Karakatva of planets but as rightly said by tw, that a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator for the matter it governs. Then what is the the exact importance of Karaktva in kp and where to apply it? Eg.Guru and Shukra are vivah karak planets but marriage happens only when 7th sub indicate and during the DBA of significators. Here karak planet dosn's play in role and sometimes found to negate the incidence in their DBA.Can anybody explain the role of karaka Guru and Shukra planet in marraige. Also we had discussion long back on the connetion of Karaka planets Shani & mars for plot/house purchase.Plz clear my doubts regarding exact role of karkatva of planets in kp. Regards Sheetal On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: > i > > > > dear sujatkaram, > pl.refer 3rd reader,page 77-part-practical,edition-1981 whrein KSK has > written > " planets connected with 4th house and Mars will indicate house,4th house and r > Venus indicates conveyance,4th house and Moon govern mother,4th house and > Mercury indicates education. " > this quote is sufficient for karakattva > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 1/24/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is wrong that " It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva > > of planets. " > > > > But a karaka planet is not considered as an outright significator > > for the matter it governs, and the effects of location of karaka > > planet in karaka house and its aspect on karaka house are not > > considered. > > > > Hope this doesn't go beyond the right track of healthy discussion. > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear SK ji, > > > > > > Could you kindly give the reference that KP does not believe in > > > Kaarakattva of planets. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Sir, > > > > It is said that KP does not believe in Kaarakattva of planets.To > > > what > > > > extent is it true?We believe moon represents the mind, mars > > > represents > > > > land, jup. and mer. the intellect, and so on and so forth. > > > > regards, > > > > sk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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