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Dear Friends,

For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions by the Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

 

With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

 

 

Regards,

 

 

tw

 

 

 

COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

New KPA 23:25:31

 

1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

 

----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12

Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45

Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00

Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47

Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55

Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10

Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57

Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37

1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15

2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03

3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22

4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50

5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40

6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40

 

* Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

 

Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its original KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), astraura ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA 23:25:31.

 

2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

(Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

Ma..00...+19...-16......000

Me..-1...+34...-17......000

Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

Ve..00...+07...-16......000

Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

Ra..00...000...-16......-19

1...00...000...-16......+2

2...-1...-01...-16......00

3...00...000...-16......+1

4...00...000...-16......+2

5...-1...000...-16......+2

6...00...000...-15......+3

 

3. OBSERVATION

 

1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user (http://www.astro.com) with no more than 1-2 sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana' positions.

 

Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

 

2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. (Shri Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora, Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the customizing or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New KP Ayanamsa.

 

3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or dasa balance (except in border line cases).

 

CAUTION

 

Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura because the default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

 

Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, which is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

 

 

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Dear Friends,

 

Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the positions

of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

>

>

> For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions

by the

> Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

>

>

>

> With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> tw

>

COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

>

>

>

> Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

>

> New KPA 23:25:31

>

>

>

> 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

>

>

>

> ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

>

> Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12

>

> Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45

>

> Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00

>

> Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47

>

> Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55

>

> Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10

>

> Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57

>

> Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37

>

>

>

> 1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15

>

> 2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03

>

> 3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22

>

> 4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50

>

> 5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40

>

> 6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40

>

>

>

> * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

>

>

>

> Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha

> Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its

original

> KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

astraura

> ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

23:25:31.

>

>

>

> 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

>

> (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

>

>

>

> ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

>

> Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

>

> Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

>

> Ma..00...+19...-16......000

>

> Me..-1...+34...-17......000

>

> Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

>

> Ve..00...+07...-16......000

>

> Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

>

> Ra..00...000...-16......-19

>

>

>

> 1...00...000...-16......+2

>

> 2...-1...-01...-16......00

>

> 3...00...000...-16......+1

>

> 4...00...000...-16......+2

>

> 5...-1...000...-16......+2

>

> 6...00...000...-15......+3

>

>

>

> 3. OBSERVATION

>

>

>

> 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more than

1-2

> sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> positions.

>

>

>

> Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

>

>

>

> 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

(Shri

> Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

customizing

> or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New

KP

> Ayanamsa.

>

>

>

> 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

dasa

> balance (except in border line cases).

>

>

>

> CAUTION

>

>

>

> Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

because the

> default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

>

>

>

> Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes,

which

> is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

>

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Dear Tin Win ji Highly commendable and useful work!!! Your postings regarding New KP Ayanamsha are also very informative and appriciated. Hope you will continue to open up your "Knowledge Deposits" for the benefit of members. With regards, Subhash Ektare

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II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om ,

Dear TW ji,

Words fall short to express gratitude for how beautifully You have taken pains to explian about KP ayanamsa,

My sincere thanks to your valuable contribution to my little understanding.

with regrads. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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Dear Tin Win ji

 

Highly commendable and useful work!!!

 

Your postings regarding New KP Ayanamsha are also very informative and appriciated. Hope you will continue to open up your "Knowledge Deposits" for the benefit of members.

 

With regards,

 

Subhash Ektare

 

 

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Dear Tw853Congratualtions on the good work done.tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Friends, For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions by the Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below. With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data, Regards, tw COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36, New KPA 23:25:31 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura* Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12 Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45 Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00 Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47 Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55 Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10 Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57 Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37 1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15 2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03 3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22 4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50 5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40 6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40 * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0

(its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its original KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), astraura ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA 23:25:31. 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results) ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura Su..-1...+20...-17.......000 Mo..-1...+01...-17......000 Ma..00...+19...-16......000 Me..-1...+34...-17......000 Ju..-1...+10...-17........000 Ve..00...+07...-16......000 Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000 Ra..00...000...-16......-19 1...00...000...-16......+2 2...-1...-01...-16......00 3...00...000...-16......+1 4...00...000...-16......+2 5...-1...000...-16......+2 6...00...000...-15......+3 3. OBSERVATION 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user (http://www.astro.com) with no more than 1-2 sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana' positions. Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036. 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. (Shri Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora, Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the customizing or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New KP Ayanamsa. 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or dasa balance (except in border line cases). CAUTION Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura because the default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using. Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, which is used in KP, to the TRUE value. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

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I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri TinWin ji, Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this difference matter much? Please enlighten me. Kalvala Ramanuja Rao tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Friends,Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the positions of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.Regards,tw , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions by the> Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing

the data,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*> > Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12> > Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45> > Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00> > Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47> >

Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55> > Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10> > Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57> > Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37> > > > 1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15> > 2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03> > 3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22> > 4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50> > 5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40> > 6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40> > > > *

Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha> Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its original> KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), astraura> ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA 23:25:31.> > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura> > Su..-1...+20...-17.......000> > Mo..-1...+01...-17......000> > Ma..00...+19...-16......000> > Me..-1...+34...-17......000> > Ju..-1...+10...-17........000> > Ve..00...+07...-16......000> >

Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000> > Ra..00...000...-16......-19> > > > 1...00...000...-16......+2> > 2...-1...-01...-16......00> > 3...00...000...-16......+1> > 4...00...000...-16......+2> > 5...-1...000...-16......+2> > 6...00...000...-15......+3> > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more than 1-2> sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> positions.>

> > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. (Shri> Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the customizing> or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New KP> Ayanamsa.> > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or dasa> balance (except in border line cases).> > > > CAUTION> > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and

astraura because the> default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, which> is used in KP, to the TRUE value.>

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Dear Shri Raichur,

Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

 

Thank you all for your kind and encouraging words.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Tw853

> Congratualtions on the good work done.

>

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions

by the Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

>

> With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> tw

>

>

>

> COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

>

> Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

> New KPA 23:25:31

>

> 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

>

> ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

> Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12

> Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45

> Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00

> Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47

> Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55

> Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10

> Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57

> Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37

>

> 1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15

> 2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03

> 3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22

> 4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50

> 5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40

> 6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40

>

> * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

>

> Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

Jyotisha Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03

(its original KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA

23:25:04), astraura ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the

comparable New KPA 23:25:31.

>

> 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

>

> ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

> Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

> Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

> Ma..00...+19...-16......000

> Me..-1...+34...-17......000

> Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

> Ve..00...+07...-16......000

> Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

> Ra..00...000...-16......-19

>

> 1...00...000...-16......+2

> 2...-1...-01...-16......00

> 3...00...000...-16......+1

> 4...00...000...-16......+2

> 5...-1...000...-16......+2

> 6...00...000...-15......+3

>

> 3. OBSERVATION

>

> 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

(http://www.astro.com) with no more than 1-2 sec difference due to

rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be get after deducting the

New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana' positions.

>

> Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the `sayana'

positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and Astrodienst

in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting Astrodienst

`nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA positions. Another

comparison is in Msg#2036.

>

> 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

(Shri Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

customizing or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa

to the New KP Ayanamsa.

>

> 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

dasa balance (except in border line cases).

>

> CAUTION

>

> Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

because the default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which

we're using.

>

> Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes,

which is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

>

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Dear Swami ji,

 

You've a lot of experience and we're here to learn KP by helping

each other with our available knowledge and experience.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, <swami wrote:

>

>

> II Om Gurave Namah II

> Hari om ,

> Dear TW ji,

> Words fall short to express gratitude for how beautifully You have

taken pains to explian about KP ayanamsa,

> My sincere thanks to your valuable contribution to my little

understanding.

> with regrads.

>

>

>

> OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> R.C.Srivastava

> ------------------------

> Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

>

> -

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>

> Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:47 AM

> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS

EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

>

>

>

> Dear Tin Win ji

>

> Highly commendable and useful work!!!

>

> Your postings regarding New KP Ayanamsha are also very

informative and appriciated. Hope you will continue to open up

your " Knowledge Deposits " for the benefit of members.

>

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Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,

 

Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a

difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a

comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a

correction.

 

Regards,

 

tw

, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala

<kalvalarao wrote:

>

> I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri

TinWin ji,

> Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing

various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their

choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am

using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that

there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared

to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this

difference matter much? Please enlighten me.

>

> Kalvala Ramanuja

Rao

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the

positions

> of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> >

> >

> > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

positions

> by the

> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> >

> >

> >

> > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> >

> >

> >

> > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

> >

> > New KPA 23:25:31

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> >

> >

> >

> > ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

> >

> > Su..087-31-13..087-31-12..087-31-33..087-30-56..087-31-12

> >

> > Mo..153-06-45..153-06-44..153-06-46..153-06-28..153-06-45

> >

> > Ma..015-35-00..015-35-00..015-35-19..015-34-44..015-35-00

> >

> > Me..069-01-48..069-01-47..069-02-22..069-01-31..069-01-47

> >

> > Ju..359-39-56..359-39-55..359-40-06..359-39-39..359-39-55

> >

> > Ve..129-43-10..129-43-10..129-43-17..129-42-54..129-43-10

> >

> > Sa..088-51-57..088-51-56..088-52-24..088-51-40..088-51-57

> >

> > Ra..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-56..214-53-40..214-53-37

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...076-55-13..076-55-13..076-55-13..076-54-57..076-55-15

> >

> > 2...102-47-03..102-47-02..102-47-02..102-46-47..102-47-03

> >

> > 3...131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-21..131-03-05..131-03-22

> >

> > 4...162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-48..162-38-32..162-38-50

> >

> > 5...195-41-38..195-41-37..195-41-38..195-41-22..195-41-40

> >

> > 6...227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-37..227-20-22..227-20-40

> >

> >

> >

> > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

Jyotisha

> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its

> original

> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

> astraura

> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

> 23:25:31.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> >

> > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> >

> >

> >

> > ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

> >

> > Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

> >

> > Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

> >

> > Ma..00...+19...-16......000

> >

> > Me..-1...+34...-17......000

> >

> > Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

> >

> > Ve..00...+07...-16......000

> >

> > Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

> >

> > Ra..00...000...-16......-19

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 2...-1...-01...-16......00

> >

> > 3...00...000...-16......+1

> >

> > 4...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 5...-1...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 6...00...000...-15......+3

> >

> >

> >

> > 3. OBSERVATION

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more

than

> 1-2

> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > positions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

> (Shri

> > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

> customizing

> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the

New

> KP

> > Ayanamsa.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

> dasa

> > balance (except in border line cases).

> >

> >

> >

> > CAUTION

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

> because the

> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes,

> which

> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> >

 

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dear Group Members,

Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.

With regards,

Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a correction.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:>> I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri TinWin ji,> Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a

big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > Kalvala Ramanuja Rao > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the positions > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > Regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions > by the> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and

Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > >

Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38.

..195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > original> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > astraura> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > >

Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > and cusps as Astrodienst,

Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more than > 1-2> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > positions.> > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > (Shri>

> Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > customizing> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New > KP> > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > dasa> > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > because the> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > which> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> >> > >

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Dear Mr GHOSHFeeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .Good luckChittaranajn Ghosh <chittaranajnghosh wrote: dear Group Members, Yes I feel the difference of few

seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords. With regards, Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----tw853 <tw853 > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a correction.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Ramanuja

Rao Kalvala <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:>> I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri TinWin ji,> Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > Kalvala Ramanuja Rao > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the positions > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > Regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions > by the> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM,

Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56.

..214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > original> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

> astraura> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > >

> 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more than > 1-2> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > positions.> > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the>

> `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > (Shri> > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > customizing> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New > KP> > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > dasa> > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > >

> > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > because the> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > which> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> >> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

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Dear Sir,

Thanks for your nice advice.

With regards,

Mr Ghosh.

 

Raichur-a-r <raichurar Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:52:12 PMRe: Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

Dear Mr GHOSHFeeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .Good luckChittaranajn Ghosh <chittaranajnghosh@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

dear Group Members,

Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.

With regards,

Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a correction.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:>> I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri TinWin ji,> Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a

big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > Kalvala Ramanuja Rao > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the positions > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > Regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp positions > by the> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and

Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > >

Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38.

..195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), Jyotisha> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > original> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > astraura> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > >

Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > and cusps as Astrodienst,

Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more than > 1-2> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > positions.> > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > (Shri>

> Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > customizing> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New > KP> > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > dasa> > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > because the> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > which> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> >> > >

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Dear Sri Ghosh,

 

Whilst Sri Raichur's suggestion is excellent,I have

a Thumb rule method.

 

If the starlord is either Sun,,Moon,Mars or Ketu,

you can be reasonably sure the sublord changes quite rapidly.Please

try it out.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Mr GHOSH

> Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at

least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the

sub-lod changes or not .

> Good luck

>

>

> Chittaranajn Ghosh <chittaranajnghosh

wrote:

> dear Group Members,

> Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern

due to change sub lords.

> With regards,

> Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM

> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS

USING SWS

>

>

> Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,

>

> Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because

a

> difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a

> comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a

> correction.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

> @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala

> <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri

> TinWin ji,

> > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing

> various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their

> choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am

> using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that

> there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared

> to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this

> difference matter much? Please enlighten me.

> >

> > Kalvala Ramanuja

> Rao

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the

> positions

> > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

> positions

> > by the

> > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06,

80E36,

> > >

> > > New KPA 23:25:31

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*

> > >

> > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12

> > >

> > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45

> > >

> > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00

> > >

> > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47

> > >

> > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55

> > >

> > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10

> > >

> > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57

> > >

> > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15

> > >

> > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03

> > >

> > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22

> > >

> > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50

> > >

> > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40

> > >

> > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

> Jyotisha

> > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its

> > original

> > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

> > astraura

> > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

> > 23:25:31.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> > >

> > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura

> > >

> > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000

> > >

> > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000

> > >

> > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000

> > >

> > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000

> > >

> > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000

> > >

> > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000

> > >

> > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000

> > >

> > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > >

> > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00

> > >

> > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1

> > >

> > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > >

> > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > >

> > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. OBSERVATION

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more

> than

> > 1-2

> > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > > positions.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

> > (Shri

> > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

> > customizing

> > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the

> New

> > KP

> > > Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

> > dasa

> > > balance (except in border line cases).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > CAUTION

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

> > because the

> > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of

Nodes,

> > which

> > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Friends,

Let me clarify,

1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that "there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using the paid "Astraura" , ie. Astraura Horoscope (Desktop) Version customizable for the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the same "Astraura", free @ http://www.astraura.org with its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's data, which are only 1 sec difference due to rounding.)

2. What I've said that "a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison" means just to give the most possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information:

1) …..this small difference in Ayana used by various KP astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these important elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more sensitive.

2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct, but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ?"

Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa level.

3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler

4) "Crazy for Accuracy" by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two articles done by Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.)

4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:

1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on, the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.

2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003.

3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.

5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following Horary chart by http://www.AstroSage.com but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of action Swami ji.)

Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008, 10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.)

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

 

ATTACHMENT

Astraura's Vedic Horoscope

 

 

System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10"Name : FemalePlace : Chennai, India

Date : 14-7-1975 Monday

Time : 5-5-0

Longitude : 80-36-0 East

Latitude : 13-6-0 North

Zone : IST 5.5

Settings : Universal Time

Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18"

Latitude : Geographic

Cusp System: Placidus

Planet Longitude

Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006"

Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398"

Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156"

Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071"

Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333"

Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394"

Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306"

Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061"

Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622"

Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981"

Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885"

Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885"

Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"

Cusps Longitude

I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"

II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769"

III 11° Le 3' 42.6014"

IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117"

V 15° Li 42' 1.5041"

VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595"

VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965"

VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769"

IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014"

X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117"

XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041"

XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595"

Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203"

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Mr GHOSH> Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .> Good luck> > > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh wrote: > dear Group Members,> Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.> With regards,> Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----> tw853 tw853 > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,> > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a > correction.> > Regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:> >> > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri > TinWin ji,> > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > > > Kalvala Ramanuja > Rao > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the > positions > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp > positions > > by the> > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), > Jyotisha> > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > > original> > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > > astraura> > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more > than > > 1-2> > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > > positions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > > (Shri> > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > > customizing> > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the > New > > KP> > > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > > dasa> > > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > > because the> > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > > which> > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > raichur anant> www.jaxtr.com\anantachar> > > > Never miss a thing. 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Dear Tw ji,

 

Here is the AstroSage.com horary details for the suggested date, time and horary number -

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ayanamsa

KP Seed

 

023-52-42

105

 

 

 

 

 

Planets

 

 

 

 

PLANET

DEGREE

RAS-NAK-SUB-SS

Ret/Dir

 

SUN

260-19-34

JUP-VEN-JUP-JUP

Direct

 

MOON

223-16-20

MAR-SAT-RAH-JUP

Direct

 

MARS

064-31-21

MER-MAR-VEN-MER

Retrograde

 

MERCURY

271-14-07

SAT-SUN-JUP-JUP

Direct

 

JUPITER

250-08-03

JUP-KET-SAT-VEN

Direct

 

VENUS

222-43-28

MAR-SAT-MAR-VEN

Direct

 

SATURN

134-24-01

SUN-VEN-VEN-RAH

Retrograde

 

RAHU

306-14-04

SAT-MAR-MON-MER

Retrograde

 

KETU

126-14-04

SUN-KET-RAH-SAT

Retrograde

 

URANUS

321-44-30

SAT-JUP-JUP-RAH

Direct

 

NEPTUNE

296-27-31

SAT-MAR-JUP-SAT

Direct

 

PLUTO

245-18-42

JUP-KET-MAR-KET

Direct

 

 

 

 

 

Bhav

 

 

 

 

CUSP

DEGREE

RAS-NAK-SUB-SS

 

1

149-13-20

SUN-SUN-RAH-RAH

 

2

177-51-12

MER-MAR-JUP-RAH

 

3

208-20-31

VEN-JUP-VEN-KET

 

4

239-14-09

MAR-MER-SAT-JUP

 

5

269-55-48

JUP-SUN-RAH-MER

 

6

300-12-35

SAT-MAR-MER-KET

 

7

329-13-20

SAT-JUP-SUN-RAH

 

8

357-51-12

JUP-MER-JUP-RAH

 

9

028-20-31

MAR-SUN-MON-MER

 

10

059-14-09

VEN-MAR-SAT-JUP

 

11

089-55-48

MER-JUP-MON-JUP

 

12

120-12-35

SUN-KET-KET-VEN

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Jan 14, 2008 9:04 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

Let me clarify,

1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that " there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using the paid "

Astraura " , ie. Astraura Horoscope (Desktop) Version

customizable for the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the same "

Astraura " , free @ http://www.astraura.org

with its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's

data, which are only 1 sec difference due to rounding.)

2. What I've said that " a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison " means just to give the most possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

 

3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information:

1) …..this small difference in Ayana used by various KP astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these important elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more sensitive.

 

2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct, but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ? "

Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa level.

3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler

 

4) " Crazy for Accuracy " by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two articles done by

Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.)

4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:

1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on, the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.

2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003.

3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.

 

5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following Horary chart by

http://www.AstroSage.com but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of action Swami ji.)

Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008, 10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.)

 

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

 

ATTACHMENT

Astraura's Vedic Horoscope

 

 

System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10 " Name : FemalePlace : Chennai, IndiaDate : 14-7-1975 Monday

 

Time : 5-5-0

Longitude : 80-36-0 East

Latitude : 13-6-0 North

Zone : IST 5.5

Settings : Universal Time

Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18 "

Latitude : Geographic

Cusp System: Placidus

Planet Longitude

Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006 "

Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398 "

Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156 "

Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071 "

Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333 "

Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394 "

Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306 "

Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061 "

Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622 "

Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981 "

Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885 "

Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885 "

Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

Cusps Longitude

I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769 "

III 11° Le 3' 42.6014 "

IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117 "

V 15° Li 42' 1.5041 "

VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595 "

VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965 "

VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769 "

IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014 "

X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117 "

XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041 "

XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595 "

Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203 "

 

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>

> Dear Mr GHOSH> Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .> Good luck

> >

> Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh wrote: > dear Group Members,> Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.> With regards,

> Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----> tw853 tw853

 

> > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,> > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a > correction.> > Regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:

> >> > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri > TinWin ji,> > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > > > Kalvala Ramanuja > Rao > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > Dear Friends,> > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the > positions > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:> > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp > positions > > by the

> > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > >

> > > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00

> > > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > >

> > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03

> > > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > >

> > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), > Jyotisha

> > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > > original> > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > > astraura> > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> > > > > > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000

> > > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > >

> > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more > than > > 1-2> > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > > positions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > > (Shri

> > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > > customizing> > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the > New > > KP> > > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > > dasa> > > balance (except in border line cases).

> > > > > > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > > because the> > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > > which> > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > > > > >

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II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear friends,Without taking sides can i post the following

additional exercise .

 

 

Here we take live case. Every one who wishes to find truth whatever method He chooses can use.

WHY This Posting.

Focus is to judge what is correct” Ayanamsa value “and cusp calculation methodology to adopt that enables correct predictions.

What is exercise about?

It is like a quiz but not aimed to seek prediction nor meant for advocating any value or software. I myself do not know as event is yet to come. I am posting it just to evoke response, if I can learn by experience of KP astrologers on board who are willing to share their learning. Event result is just ahead after few days.

Background of Case.

Daughter of questioner is legally said to be married. Social function for acceptance is under way. It is inter-caste romance of Third child about.

Precise question.

Mother puts a question to astrologer “will social function of marriage celebration occur on 19 th Jan?

Number given is 25 by mother of girl. Date was 13 Jan 2008.

I have Birth data of Native involved but do not have permission from client to share. So please do not ask it.

My humble request is Work out, If you can answer the question By KP alone or supplementary methods like ESP/TSP in advance to date. Please quote Ayanamsa and table/Sw used.

For those who do not want to take trouble to calculate. I am attaching working, you can analyse this chart and give your finding.

Please understand A slight variation of Ayanamsa alters Sub of planets Moon,Sun And Mercury.( use of Astro kundali,,Table of houses by RE Manu, Krishman tables for number and Swami omkar panchang calculations have been made and checked- which comes out correct is to be seen?)

Working may involve rotation to 9 th bhava. That is done for you in attached file also.

Hope members would love to try and contribute.

NOTE: (Obviously I will let know the outcome after 20 th January , if this mail is approved by Moderator of the group. Attachment will be received by members who have d for individual receipt of mail)

With best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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tw853

Monday, January 14, 2008 9:04 AM

Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

Let me clarify,

1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that "there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using the paid "Astraura" , ie. Astraura Horoscope (Desktop) Version customizable for the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the same "Astraura", free @ http://www.astraura.org with its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's data, which are only 1 sec difference due to rounding.)

2. What I've said that "a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison" means just to give the most possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information:

1) …..this small difference in Ayana used by various KP astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these important elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more sensitive.

2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct, but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ?"

Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa level.

3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler

4) "Crazy for Accuracy" by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two articles done by Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.)

4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:

1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on, the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.

2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003.

3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.

5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following Horary chart by http://www.AstroSage.com but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of action Swami ji.)

Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008, 10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.)

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

 

ATTACHMENT

Astraura's Vedic Horoscope

 

 

System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10"Name : FemalePlace : Chennai, IndiaDate : 14-7-1975 Monday

Time : 5-5-0

Longitude : 80-36-0 East

Latitude : 13-6-0 North

Zone : IST 5.5

Settings : Universal Time

Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18"

Latitude : Geographic

Cusp System: Placidus

Planet Longitude

Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006"

Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398"

Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156"

Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071"

Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333"

Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394"

Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306"

Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061"

Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622"

Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981"

Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885"

Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885"

Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"

Cusps Longitude

I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"

II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769"

III 11° Le 3' 42.6014"

IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117"

V 15° Li 42' 1.5041"

VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595"

VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965"

VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769"

IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014"

X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117"

XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041"

XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595"

Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203"

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Mr GHOSH> Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .> Good luck> > > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh wrote: > dear Group Members,> Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.> With regards,> Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----> tw853 tw853 > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,> > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a > correction.> > Regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:> >> > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri > TinWin ji,> > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > > > Kalvala Ramanuja > Rao > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the > positions > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp > positions > > by the> > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), > Jyotisha> > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > > original> > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > > astraura> > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more > than > > 1-2> > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > > positions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > > (Shri> > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > > customizing> > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the > New > > KP> > > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > > dasa> > > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > > because the> > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > > which> > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > raichur anant> www.jaxtr.com\anantachar> > > > Never miss a thing. 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Dear Punit Pandey ji,

 

Thank you for providing data, which will be presented in the coming

comparison.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Here is the AstroSage.com horary details for the suggested date,

time and

> horary number -

>

>

> Ayanamsa

>

> KP Seed

>

> 023-52-42

>

> 105

>

> Planets PLANET DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS Ret/Dir SUN 260-19-34

> JUP-VEN-JUP-JUP Direct MOON 223-16-20 MAR-SAT-RAH-JUP Direct

MARS

> 064-31-21 MER-MAR-VEN-MER Retrograde MERCURY 271-14-07

> SAT-SUN-JUP-JUP Direct

> JUPITER 250-08-03 JUP-KET-SAT-VEN Direct VENUS 222-43-28

> MAR-SAT-MAR-VEN Direct SATURN 134-24-01 SUN-VEN-VEN-RAH

Retrograde

> RAHU 306-14-04 SAT-MAR-MON-MER Retrograde KETU 126-14-04

> SUN-KET-RAH-SAT Retrograde URANUS 321-44-30 SAT-JUP-JUP-RAH

Direct

> NEPTUNE 296-27-31 SAT-MAR-JUP-SAT Direct PLUTO 245-18-42

> JUP-KET-MAR-KET Direct Bhav CUSP DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS 1

149-13-20

> SUN-SUN-RAH-RAH 2 177-51-12 MER-MAR-JUP-RAH 3 208-20-31

> VEN-JUP-VEN-KET 4 239-14-09 MAR-MER-SAT-JUP 5 269-55-48

> JUP-SUN-RAH-MER 6 300-12-35 SAT-MAR-MER-KET 7 329-13-20

> SAT-JUP-SUN-RAH 8 357-51-12 JUP-MER-JUP-RAH 9 028-20-31

> MAR-SUN-MON-MER 10 059-14-09 VEN-MAR-SAT-JUP 11 089-55-48

> MER-JUP-MON-JUP 12 120-12-35 SUN-KET-KET-VEN

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Jan 14, 2008 9:04 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Let me clarify,

> >

> > 1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that " there is a

difference of a

> > few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big

difference in

> > the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using

the paid " Astraura "

> > , ie. *Astraura Horoscope (Desktop)

Version*<http://www.astraura.org/Home/prod04.htm>customizable for

the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node

> > etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant

different

> > results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than

the results

> > I've got by using the same " Astraura " , free @

http://www.astraura.org with

> > its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment.

(Geographic

> > entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are

given in

> > Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec

difference in Astraura

> > original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of

Sun, Mercury &

> > Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's data, which

are only 1

> > sec difference due to rounding.)

> >

> > 2. What I've said that " a difference of more than 1-2 seconds

does matter

> > for such a comparison " means just to give the most possible

accurate results

> > for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

> >

> > 3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri

Raichur's

> > Remarks are given below fro your information:

> >

> > 1) …..this small difference in Ayana used by various KP

astrologers need

> > not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE

THE STAR

> > LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in

the Ayanamsa

> > does not change these important elements. A new comer should go

to the

> > essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of

Ayanamsa. In fact

> > The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii

Ayanamsa, dif of

> > 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that

in almost all

> > cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as

the ones with

> > accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more

sensitive.

> >

> > 2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct,

but 'USING

> > KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ? "

> >

> > Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life

events of

> > 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than

Lahiri in the

> > application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa

level.

> >

> > 3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and

NEW KP

> > AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the

ayanamsa correct

> > to seconds, and for stickler

> >

> > 4) " Crazy for Accuracy " by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology

Year Book

> > 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two

articles done by Yogesh

> > Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.)

> >

> > 4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:

> >

> > 1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on,

the Lahiri

> > Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH),

though not so

> > stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for

clarification.) It

> > implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP

astrologers

> > getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons &

Krishnamurti

> > Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.

> >

> > 2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to

Lahiri's (within

> > around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP

astrologers getting

> > the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year

Books

> > till 2003.

> >

> > 3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level

for cuspal

> > interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.

> >

> > 5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to

time is just

> > to let the members know whether there is a significance

difference amomg

> > them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results.

As a member

> > has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following

Horary chart by

> > http://www.AstroSage.com <http://www.astrosage.com/> but not yet

> > succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the

positions of

> > Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The

Astro-Kundli

> > Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of

action Swami

> > ji.)

> >

> > Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008,

10:04:48 AM,

> > Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original

KPA of

> > AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.)

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> > ATTACHMENT

> > Astraura's Vedic Horoscope

> >

> > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10 "

> >

> > Name : Female

> >

> > Place : Chennai, India

> >

> > Date : 14-7-1975 Monday

> >

> > Time : 5-5-0

> >

> > Longitude : 80-36-0 East

> >

> > Latitude : 13-6-0 North

> >

> > Zone : IST 5.5

> >

> > Settings : Universal Time

> > Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18 "

> >

> > Latitude : Geographic

> >

> > Cusp System: Placidus

> >

> > Planet Longitude

> >

> > Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006 "

> >

> > Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398 "

> >

> > Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156 "

> >

> > Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071 "

> >

> > Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333 "

> >

> > Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394 "

> >

> > Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306 "

> >

> > Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061 "

> >

> > Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622 "

> >

> > Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981 "

> >

> > Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885 "

> >

> > Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885 "

> >

> > Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

> >

> > Cusps Longitude

> >

> > I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

> >

> > II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769 "

> >

> > III 11° Le 3' 42.6014 "

> >

> > IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117 "

> >

> > V 15° Li 42' 1.5041 "

> >

> > VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595 "

> >

> > VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965 "

> >

> > VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769 "

> >

> > IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014 "

> >

> > X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117 "

> >

> > XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041 "

> >

> > XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595 "

> >

> > Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203 "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr GHOSH

> > > Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases,

at least

> > 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the

sub-lod

> > changes or not .

> > > Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh@ wrote:

> > > dear Group Members,

> > > Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of

concern due to

> > change sub lords.

> > > With regards,

> > > Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----

> > > tw853 tw853@

> >

> > >

> > > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM

> > > Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS

EMPHEMERIS

> > USING SWS

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,

> > >

> > > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum

because a

> > > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a

> > > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I

posted a

> > > correction.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > > @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala

> > > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the

valuesSri

> > > TinWin ji,

> > > > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing

> > > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their

> > > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which

I am

> > > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find

that

> > > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values,

compared

> > > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is

this

> > > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.

> > > >

> > > > Kalvala Ramanuja

> > > Rao

> > > >

> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the

> > > positions

> > > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same

by 'KPAstro'.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

> > > positions

> > > > by the

> > > > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the

data,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06,

80E36,

> > > > >

> > > > > New KPA 23:25:31

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-

astraura*

> > > > >

> > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-

12

> > > > >

> > > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-

45

> > > > >

> > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-

00

> > > > >

> > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-

47

> > > > >

> > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-

55

> > > > >

> > > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-

10

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-

57

> > > > >

> > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-

37

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-

15

> > > > >

> > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-

03

> > > > >

> > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-

22

> > > > >

> > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-

50

> > > > >

> > > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-

40

> > > > >

> > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-

40

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

> > > Jyotisha

> > > > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03

(its

> > > > original

> > > > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA

23:25:04),

> > > > astraura

> > > > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

> > > > 23:25:31.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> > > > >

> > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura

> > > > >

> > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000

> > > > >

> > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000

> > > > >

> > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000

> > > > >

> > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000

> > > > >

> > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000

> > > > >

> > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000

> > > > >

> > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > > >

> > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00

> > > > >

> > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1

> > > > >

> > > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > > >

> > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > > >

> > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. OBSERVATION

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of

planets

> > > > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > > > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no

more

> > > than

> > > > 1-2

> > > > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions

can be

> > > > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > > > > positions.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > > > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by

KPAstro and

> > > > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by

adjusting

> > > > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into

KPA

> > > > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New

KPA.

> > > > (Shri

> > > > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha

Hora,

> > > > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

> > > > customizing

> > > > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to

the

> > > New

> > > > KP

> > > > > Ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the

sublord or

> > > > dasa

> > > > > balance (except in border line cases).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > CAUTION

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

> > > > because the

> > > > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're

using.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of

Nodes,

> > > > which

> > > > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

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dear swami the aynamsa is NKPA 23-52-44 S/w is Raichur's DOS based. The 11 csl is Sat who is Retro, but in sa tar of Ven znd Sub of Ve n. Ven is direct The function will taaaake place, but will be deeelayed at start. Hope this helps swami wrote: II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear friends,Without taking sides can i post the

following additional exercise . Here we take live case. Every one who wishes to find truth whatever method He chooses can use. WHY This Posting. Focus is to judge what is correct” Ayanamsa value “and cusp calculation methodology to adopt that enables correct predictions. What is exercise about? It is like a quiz but not aimed to seek prediction nor meant for advocating any value or software. I myself do

not know as event is yet to come. I am posting it just to evoke response, if I can learn by experience of KP astrologers on board who are willing to share their learning. Event result is just ahead after few days. Background of Case. Daughter of questioner is legally said to be married. Social function for acceptance is under way. It is inter-caste romance of Third child about. Precise question. Mother puts a question to astrologer “will social function of marriage celebration occur on 19 th Jan? Number given is 25 by mother of girl. Date was 13 Jan 2008. I have Birth data of Native involved but do not have permission from client to share. So please do not ask it. My humble request is Work out, If you can answer the question By KP alone or supplementary methods like ESP/TSP in advance to date. Please quote Ayanamsa and table/Sw used. For those who do not want to take trouble to calculate. I am attaching working, you can analyse this chart and give your finding. Please understand A slight variation of Ayanamsa alters Sub of planets Moon,Sun And Mercury.( use of Astro kundali,,Table of houses by RE Manu, Krishman tables for number and Swami omkar panchang calculations have been made and checked- which comes out correct is to be seen?) Working may involve rotation to 9 th bhava. That is done for you in attached file also. Hope members would love to try and contribute. NOTE: (Obviously I will let know the outcome after 20 th January , if this mail is approved by Moderator of the group. Attachment will be

received by members who have d for individual receipt of mail) With best wishes. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - tw853 Monday, January 14, 2008 9:04 AM Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS Dear Friends, Let me clarify, 1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that "there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using the paid "Astraura" , ie. Astraura Horoscope

(Desktop) Version customizable for the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the same "Astraura", free @ http://www.astraura.org with its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per

Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's data, which are only 1 sec difference due to rounding.) 2. What I've said that "a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison" means just to give the most possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. 3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information: 1) …..this small difference in Ayana used by various KP astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these important

elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more sensitive. 2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct, but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ?" Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa level. 3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler 4) "Crazy for Accuracy" by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two articles done by Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.) 4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are: 1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on, the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses

(UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan. 2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003. 3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa. 5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following Horary chart by http://www.AstroSage.com but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of action Swami ji.) Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008, 10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.) Thanks and regards, tw ATTACHMENT Astraura's Vedic Horoscope System : Krishnamurthy

Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10"Name : FemalePlace : Chennai, IndiaDate : 14-7-1975 Monday Time : 5-5-0 Longitude : 80-36-0 East Latitude : 13-6-0 North Zone : IST 5.5 Settings : Universal Time Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18" Latitude : Geographic Cusp System: Placidus Planet Longitude Sun 27° Ge 31'

33.3006" Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398" Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156" Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071" Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333" Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394" Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306" Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061" Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622" Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981" Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885" Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885" Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965" Cusps Longitude I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965" II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769" III 11° Le 3' 42.6014" IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117" V 15° Li 42' 1.5041" VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595" VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965" VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769" IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014" X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117" XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041" XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595" Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203" , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Mr GHOSH> Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .> Good luck> > > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh wrote: > dear Group Members,> Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.> With regards,> Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----> tw853 tw853 > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,> > Could you

provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a > correction.> > Regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:> >> > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri > TinWin ji,> > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this > difference matter much? Please enlighten

me.> > > > Kalvala Ramanuja > Rao > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the > positions > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp > positions > > by the> > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > > > Mo..153-06-45.

..153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22>

> > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), > Jyotisha> > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > > original> > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > > astraura> > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM

KPASTRO> > > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> >

> > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more > than > > 1-2> > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > > positions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > > `sayana' positions. The differences in

positions by KPAstro and> > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > > (Shri> > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > > customizing> > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the > New > > KP> > > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > > dasa> > > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > >

> > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > > because the> > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > > which> > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dear Swami ji,

 

As per your Horary no. 25 chart,

 

1. A slight variation of Ayanamsa does NOT alter the Sub of planet

Moon, Sun and Mercury. The same is with a slight variation of

planetary positions given by the different SWs commonly used.

 

2. The higher probability in the change of sub is not for `PLANET'

Moon, Sun and Mercury but (STARLORD and) `SUBLORD' Moon, Sun and

Mercury.

 

3. These are as per mathematics shown below:

 

a) Female, Horary no. 25, 13-01-2008, 13:51:13 PM, Agra, 27N11,

78E01, NKPA 23:52:44, Asc Sg 22:54:22, as a usual pattern KPAstro

planetary positions are around 10 sec higher than Astro-Kundali's.

 

b) Su (268:38:15) in sub Ma will alter its sub, if and only if

there is a variation more than – 11min:35sec or + 35min:05sec as sub

Ma range is from 268:26:40 to 269:13:20, ie. 46deg:40sec.

268:26:40<- 11:35<Su(268:38:15)<+ 35:05< 269:13:20 (Sub Ma arrange

46:40)

 

c) Mo (327:02:50) in sub Ve will alter its sub, if and only if there

is a variation more than – 29min:30sec or + 103min:50sec as sub Ve

range is from 326:33:20 to 328:46:40, ie. 133deg:20sec.

326:33:20<-29:30<Mo(327:02:50)<+ 103:50< 328:46:40 (Sub Ve arrange

133:20)

 

d) 61:53:20<- 21:10<Ma(62:14:30)<+ 25:30<62:40:00 (Sub Ke arrange

46:40)

 

e) 283:53:20<- 26:58<Me(284:20:18)<+ 79:42<285:40:00 (Sub Ju arrange

106:40)

 

f) 251:26:40<- 29:53<Ju(251:56:33)<+83:27<253:20:00 (Sub Me arrange

113:20)

 

g) 133:20:00<-48:03<Sa(134:08:03)<+85:17<135:33:20 (Sub Ve arrange

133:20)

 

h) 305:33:20<-15:16<Ra(305:48:36)<+51:24<306:40:00 (Sub Mo arrange

66:40)

 

i) From above without changing the sub the minimum allowable minus

change is 11deg:35sec for Su and minimum allowable plus change is

25deg:30sec for Ma. So a feeling of the difference of few seconds to

be a matter of concern due to change sub lords is found completely

wrong. The subs will not change, if whatever KP Ayanamsa or even

Lahiri Ayanamsa or any commonly used SW is applied.

 

j) The Sublord can change only in a " border line case " as mentioned

in the Horary example in Msg#16101, ie. Me (271:13:18) of Astro-

Kundli, with only 10 sec lower from KPAstro's, gives the Su/Ra/Ma

(Stl/Sbl/Ssl), different from Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl) provided by

other 4 SWs. If this Me position were " 2 sec " higher from the

present 271:13:18, Me will be in the same Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl)

like other 4 SWs. In fact, if its own KPA, which is around 20 sec

lower than the NKPA, is used, Astro-Kundli will give the same

Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl). In that example, except this border line

case, the Stl/Sbl/Ssl up to the Sublord are the same for planets and

cusps, if some sublords are adjusted in one SW as to be.

 

k) In the case of Horary chart with no. 25, not the accuracy in

Ayanamsa or SW but the method applied and judgment will decide the

prediction.

 

4. First important point is whether marriage is promised or not in

the natal chart. By a belief that Natal is for past karma and Horary

for present karma, and some empirical findings, the event not

promised in the Natal is supposed not to happen by Horary alone.

 

5. As per KP, according to the rotated chart, 7th cuspal sublord Sa+

(8,2,3) is in the star and sub of Ve(11,5,6) . No planet in the

star of Sa, which is sublord of 1,5,6,7,12. Marriage is promised.

For fulfillment of desire 11th cuspal sublord Ra+ is in 2 and in the

star of Ma(6,11,12) and sub of Mo(3,8), which is coj with Ra. Sa

(8,2,3) Asp Ra. For a grand marriage ceremony the house grouping of

2,7,11 is necessary. Running DBA on Jan 19, 2008 is Ju-Ve-Mo. Dasa

lord Ju(12,1,4) is in the star of Ke(8,2,3) and sub of Me(1,7,10).

Bhukti lord Ve(11,5,6) is in the star of Me(1,7,10) and sub of Mo

(3,8). Antara lord Mo(3,8) is in the star of Ju(12,1,4) and sub of Ve

(11,5,6) . Transit on Jan 19, 2008: Ju is in the star of Ke and sub

Me. Ve is in the star of Me and sub Sa. Mo is in own star Mo and sub

Me. Su(1,9) is in own star Su and sub Sa. A marriage ceremony with

disappointment (8th) can be wishfully predicted.

 

6. As per 4 Step, at the time of casting the chart, RPs are Asc Sgl

Ve, Mo Sgl Sa and Stl Ju, and Day lord Su. 7th cuspal sublord Sa+ is

a primary significator of 11,5 in 2nd step and 7 in 4th step.

Marriage is promised without taking into consideration of no more

existing Pluto. 11 th cuspal sublord Ra+ is a primary significator

of 2,8,12, 4 in 1 st step, 6 in 2nd step and 12,4,8 in 4th step.

Dasa lord Ju is a primary significator of 8,1, 9 in in 2nd step and

3 in 4th step. Bhukti lord Ve is a primary significator of 1,7,10 in

2nd step and 12,4,8 in 4th step. Antara lord Mo is a primary

significator of 12, 4,8 in 2nd step and 1,7,10 in 4th step. Transit

Ju will be in Me sub and transit Ve will be in the star of Me, which

is a primary significator of 3 only in the 2nd step (without 2,7,11,

5,8 marriage houses) . Transit Sun will be in own Sun, which is a

primary significator of 1,9 only in the 1st and 2nd steps (without

2,7,11, 5,8). Marriage ceremony can not be foreseen.

 

Good luck to your consultant.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

 

, <swami wrote:

>

>

> II Om Gurave Namah II

> Hari om , Friend,

>

> Dear friends,Without taking sides can i post the following

> additional exercise .

>

> Here we take live case. Every one who wishes to find truth

whatever method He chooses can use.

>

> WHY This Posting.

>

> Focus is to judge what is correct " Ayanamsa value " and cusp

calculation methodology to adopt that enables correct predictions.

>

> What is exercise about?

>

> It is like a quiz but not aimed to seek prediction nor meant for

advocating any value or software. I myself do not know as event is

yet to come. I am posting it just to evoke response, if I can learn

by experience of KP astrologers on board who are willing to share

their learning. Event result is just ahead after few days.

>

> Background of Case.

>

> Daughter of questioner is legally said to be married. Social

function for acceptance is under way. It is inter-caste romance of

Third child about.

>

> Precise question.

>

> Mother puts a question to astrologer " will social function of

marriage celebration occur on 19 th Jan?

>

> Number given is 25 by mother of girl. Date was 13 Jan 2008.

>

> I have Birth data of Native involved but do not have permission

from client to share. So please do not ask it.

>

> My humble request is Work out, If you can answer the question By

KP alone or supplementary methods like ESP/TSP in advance to date.

Please quote Ayanamsa and table/Sw used.

>

> For those who do not want to take trouble to calculate. I am

attaching working, you can analyse this chart and give your finding.

>

> Please understand A slight variation of Ayanamsa alters Sub of

planets Moon,Sun And Mercury.( use of Astro kundali,,Table

of houses by RE Manu, Krishman tables for number and Swami omkar

panchang calculations have been made and checked- which comes out

correct is to be seen?)

>

> Working may involve rotation to 9 th bhava. That is done for you

in attached file also.

>

> Hope members would love to try and contribute.

>

> NOTE: (Obviously I will let know the outcome after 20 th

January , if this mail is approved by Moderator of the group.

Attachment will be received by members who have d for

individual receipt of mail)

>

> With best wishes.

>

>

>

>

> OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> R.C.Srivastava

> ------------------------

> Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

>

> -

> tw853

>

> Monday, January 14, 2008 9:04 AM

> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS

EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Let me clarify,

>

> 1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that " there is a

difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO

and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the

results he got by using the paid " Astraura " , ie. Astraura

Horoscope (Desktop) Version customizable for the desired ayanamsas

and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it

has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by

directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the

same " Astraura " , free @ http://www.astraura.org with its original

KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic

entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are

given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec

difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted.

The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala

Ramanuja Rao's data, which are only 1 sec difference due to

rounding.)

>

> 2. What I've said that " a difference of more than 1-2 seconds

does matter for such a comparison " means just to give the most

possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR

ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

>

> 3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri

Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information:

>

> 1) ...this small difference in Ayana used by various KP

astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT

ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all

cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these

important elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather

than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times

of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6

min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in

almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are

same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will

change, as it is more sensitive.

>

> 2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct,

but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE

PREDICTIONS. ? "

>

> Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life

events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better

than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the

Sookshma, fourth dasa level.

>

> 3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and

NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the

ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler

>

> 4) " Crazy for Accuracy " by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology

Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two

articles done by Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of

this Group.)

>

> 4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:

>

> 1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on,

the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses

(UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of

UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa

had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results,

like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.

>

> 2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to

Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by

some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the

old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003.

>

> 3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level

for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.

>

> 5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to

time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance

difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary

chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to

calculate the following Horary chart by http://www.AstroSage.com

but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide

me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF

chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from

the lovely man of action Swami ji.)

>

> Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008,

10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the

original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New

KPA.)

>

>

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> ATTACHMENT

>

> Astraura's Vedic Horoscope

>

> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10 "

>

> Name : Female

>

> Place : Chennai, IndiaDate : 14-7-1975 Monday

> Time : 5-5-0

> Longitude : 80-36-0 East

> Latitude : 13-6-0 North

> Zone : IST 5.5

> Settings : Universal Time

> Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18 "

> Latitude : Geographic

> Cusp System: PlacidusPlanet Longitude

>

> Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006 "

>

> Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398 "

>

> Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156 "

>

> Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071 "

>

> Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333 "

>

> Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394 "

>

> Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306 "

>

> Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061 "

>

> Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622 "

>

> Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981 "

>

> Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885 "

>

> Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885 "

>

> Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

>

> Cusps Longitude

>

> I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965 "

>

> II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769 "

>

> III 11° Le 3' 42.6014 "

>

> IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117 "

>

> V 15° Li 42' 1.5041 "

>

> VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595 "

>

> VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965 "

>

> VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769 "

>

> IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014 "

>

> X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117 "

>

> XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041 "

>

> XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595 "

>

> Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203 "

>

>

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr GHOSH

> > Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases,

at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether

the sub-lod changes or not .

> > Good luck

> >

> >

> > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh@ wrote:

> > dear Group Members,

> > Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of

concern due to change sub lords.

> > With regards,

> > Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----

> > tw853 tw853@

> >

> > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM

> > Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS

EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,

> >

> > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum

because a

> > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a

> > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I

posted a

> > correction.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> > @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala

> > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the

valuesSri

> > TinWin ji,

> > > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing

> > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their

> > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which

I am

> > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find

that

> > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values,

compared

> > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is

this

> > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Kalvala Ramanuja

> > Rao

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the

> > positions

> > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same

by 'KPAstro'.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

> > positions

> > > by the

> > > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the

data,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06,

80E36,

> > > >

> > > > New KPA 23:25:31

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-

astraura*

> > > >

> > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-

12

> > > >

> > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-

45

> > > >

> > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-

00

> > > >

> > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-

47

> > > >

> > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-

55

> > > >

> > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-

10

> > > >

> > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-

57

> > > >

> > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-

37

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-

15

> > > >

> > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-

03

> > > >

> > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-

22

> > > >

> > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-

50

> > > >

> > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-

40

> > > >

> > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-

40

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

> > Jyotisha

> > > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03

(its

> > > original

> > > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA

23:25:04),

> > > astraura

> > > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

> > > 23:25:31.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> > > >

> > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura

> > > >

> > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000

> > > >

> > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000

> > > >

> > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000

> > > >

> > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000

> > > >

> > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000

> > > >

> > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000

> > > >

> > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000

> > > >

> > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > >

> > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00

> > > >

> > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1

> > > >

> > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > >

> > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2

> > > >

> > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. OBSERVATION

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of

planets

> > > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no

more

> > than

> > > 1-2

> > > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions

can be

> > > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > > > positions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by

KPAstro and

> > > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by

adjusting

> > > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into

KPA

> > > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New

KPA.

> > > (Shri

> > > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha

Hora,

> > > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has

the

> > > customizing

> > > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to

the

> > New

> > > KP

> > > > Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the

sublord or

> > > dasa

> > > > balance (except in border line cases).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > CAUTION

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

> > > because the

> > > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're

using.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of

Nodes,

> > > which

> > > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om ,

Dear Tinwin ji,

Sorry for my mixing and unclear communication on my part .

After Your posting Related to comparison of SW output

and working with New KP AYNAMSA, There was nothing else left then to go ahead, with another problem that is related to calculation of non angular house cusp if done manually.This aspect I started probing . My mail did not emphasises it.However I talked about it in FOCUS described.

I had been doing calculation for long using Raphels table,RE manU tables and Krishmans.I also used hand held Casio PC having programme written in Basic.

I remain in small villages in M.P. and UP states for about one fourth time of a year serving needs of poor villagers.

I can not use computer there always .

Now in my working I found Ayanmsa values varying from 25 to 52 seconds among various publications.Calulation of House cusp are found Of non angular houses manually different.

In fact i did cast said chart by Raphels table,Krishmans and Hand held casio and Sri omkars panchang Variation was referred in planets but cusp part was left out by mistake.

What you have demonstrated is superb and explanatary that any software is good enough for day to day working.In fact your hard work has cleared many of my doubts about Use of softwares.I amgrateful for that.

I am happy for You have shown me four step ananlysis which I am in process of grasping.

I am thankful for yours generous posting and Sri Raichurs ji posting in connection with this case of function yes OR No.I expect more input from seniors.No where guidelines are avaiable to assess if a function will go smooth that involves warring opposition.This is a situation Where it is as good as reuniting of a partner seperated but with fanfare( celebratin-social approval)

My original thinking is there is more scope to apply KP in different way here.Legally mother said they are married.Frankingly i do not know.Prasna by vedic told me question was genuine and divine permission was there to give reply to client.

Professionally i replied using Vedic method For I found Sat was Retr and it can not give positive results unless 5 th may 2008 So no function is possiblr By 19 th January.I did apply Kp but was inconclusive,I did not belive Vii,II and XI will apply here.Q was social acceptance with approval .

As far as Kp is concerned We can apply method attempted

in case they were not married legally Looking For VII cusp from childs Cusp was fine.

Here things are mother wants function should take place,Daughter need reunion with partner.Cusp representing family heads are at war ? they are to come together and not only agree but participate?

This is how I saw and posted the case with background.

I thank for reading this much.OM TAT SAT

(On this thread I will post outcome, Because I am likly to get feedback for sure.) OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaFor Consultation -ServiceE-mail : swami_rcs199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 INDIA Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 Mob +91-94122-68768http://www.kaalvastu.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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tw853

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:26 PM

Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

 

 

Dear Swami ji,As per your Horary no. 25 chart,1. A slight variation of Ayanamsa does NOT alter the Sub of planet Moon, Sun and Mercury. The same is with a slight variation of planetary positions given by the different SWs commonly used.2. The higher probability in the change of sub is not for `PLANET' Moon, Sun and Mercury but (STARLORD and) `SUBLORD' Moon, Sun and Mercury.3. These are as per mathematics shown below:a) Female, Horary no. 25, 13-01-2008, 13:51:13 PM, Agra, 27N11, 78E01, NKPA 23:52:44, Asc Sg 22:54:22, as a usual pattern KPAstro planetary positions are around 10 sec higher than Astro-Kundali's.b) Su (268:38:15) in sub Ma will alter its sub, if and only if there is a variation more than – 11min:35sec or + 35min:05sec as sub Ma range is from 268:26:40 to 269:13:20, ie. 46deg:40sec.268:26:40<- 11:35<Su(268:38:15)<+ 35:05< 269:13:20 (Sub Ma arrange 46:40)c) Mo (327:02:50) in sub Ve will alter its sub, if and only if there is a variation more than – 29min:30sec or + 103min:50sec as sub Ve range is from 326:33:20 to 328:46:40, ie. 133deg:20sec.326:33:20<-29:30<Mo(327:02:50)<+ 103:50< 328:46:40 (Sub Ve arrange 133:20)d) 61:53:20<- 21:10<Ma(62:14:30)<+ 25:30<62:40:00 (Sub Ke arrange 46:40)e) 283:53:20<- 26:58<Me(284:20:18)<+ 79:42<285:40:00 (Sub Ju arrange 106:40)f) 251:26:40<- 29:53<Ju(251:56:33)<+83:27<253:20:00 (Sub Me arrange 113:20)g) 133:20:00<-48:03<Sa(134:08:03)<+85:17<135:33:20 (Sub Ve arrange 133:20)h) 305:33:20<-15:16<Ra(305:48:36)<+51:24<306:40:00 (Sub Mo arrange 66:40)i) From above without changing the sub the minimum allowable minus change is 11deg:35sec for Su and minimum allowable plus change is 25deg:30sec for Ma. So a feeling of the difference of few seconds to be a matter of concern due to change sub lords is found completely wrong. The subs will not change, if whatever KP Ayanamsa or even Lahiri Ayanamsa or any commonly used SW is applied.j) The Sublord can change only in a "border line case" as mentioned in the Horary example in Msg#16101, ie. Me (271:13:18) of Astro-Kundli, with only 10 sec lower from KPAstro's, gives the Su/Ra/Ma (Stl/Sbl/Ssl), different from Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl) provided by other 4 SWs. If this Me position were "2 sec" higher from the present 271:13:18, Me will be in the same Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl) like other 4 SWs. In fact, if its own KPA, which is around 20 sec lower than the NKPA, is used, Astro-Kundli will give the same Su/Ju/Ju (Stl/Sbl/Ssl). In that example, except this border line case, the Stl/Sbl/Ssl up to the Sublord are the same for planets and cusps, if some sublords are adjusted in one SW as to be.k) In the case of Horary chart with no. 25, not the accuracy in Ayanamsa or SW but the method applied and judgment will decide the prediction.4. First important point is whether marriage is promised or not in the natal chart. By a belief that Natal is for past karma and Horary for present karma, and some empirical findings, the event not promised in the Natal is supposed not to happen by Horary alone.5. As per KP, according to the rotated chart, 7th cuspal sublord Sa+(8,2,3) is in the star and sub of Ve(11,5,6) . No planet in the star of Sa, which is sublord of 1,5,6,7,12. Marriage is promised. For fulfillment of desire 11th cuspal sublord Ra+ is in 2 and in the star of Ma(6,11,12) and sub of Mo(3,8), which is coj with Ra. Sa(8,2,3) Asp Ra. For a grand marriage ceremony the house grouping of 2,7,11 is necessary. Running DBA on Jan 19, 2008 is Ju-Ve-Mo. Dasa lord Ju(12,1,4) is in the star of Ke(8,2,3) and sub of Me(1,7,10). Bhukti lord Ve(11,5,6) is in the star of Me(1,7,10) and sub of Mo(3,8). Antara lord Mo(3,8) is in the star of Ju(12,1,4) and sub of Ve(11,5,6) . Transit on Jan 19, 2008: Ju is in the star of Ke and sub Me. Ve is in the star of Me and sub Sa. Mo is in own star Mo and sub Me. Su(1,9) is in own star Su and sub Sa. A marriage ceremony with disappointment (8th) can be wishfully predicted.6. As per 4 Step, at the time of casting the chart, RPs are Asc Sgl Ve, Mo Sgl Sa and Stl Ju, and Day lord Su. 7th cuspal sublord Sa+ is a primary significator of 11,5 in 2nd step and 7 in 4th step. Marriage is promised without taking into consideration of no more existing Pluto. 11 th cuspal sublord Ra+ is a primary significator of 2,8,12, 4 in 1 st step, 6 in 2nd step and 12,4,8 in 4th step. Dasa lord Ju is a primary significator of 8,1, 9 in in 2nd step and 3 in 4th step. Bhukti lord Ve is a primary significator of 1,7,10 in 2nd step and 12,4,8 in 4th step. Antara lord Mo is a primary significator of 12, 4,8 in 2nd step and 1,7,10 in 4th step. Transit Ju will be in Me sub and transit Ve will be in the star of Me, which is a primary significator of 3 only in the 2nd step (without 2,7,11, 5,8 marriage houses) . Transit Sun will be in own Sun, which is a primary significator of 1,9 only in the 1st and 2nd steps (without 2,7,11, 5,8). Marriage ceremony can not be foreseen. Good luck to your consultant.Regards,tw , <swami wrote:>> > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om , Friend,> > Dear friends,Without taking sides can i post the following> additional exercise .> > Here we take live case. Every one who wishes to find truth whatever method He chooses can use.> > WHY This Posting.> > Focus is to judge what is correct" Ayanamsa value "and cusp calculation methodology to adopt that enables correct predictions.> > What is exercise about?> > It is like a quiz but not aimed to seek prediction nor meant for advocating any value or software. I myself do not know as event is yet to come. I am posting it just to evoke response, if I can learn by experience of KP astrologers on board who are willing to share their learning. Event result is just ahead after few days.> > Background of Case.> > Daughter of questioner is legally said to be married. Social function for acceptance is under way. It is inter-caste romance of Third child about.> > Precise question.> > Mother puts a question to astrologer "will social function of marriage celebration occur on 19 th Jan?> > Number given is 25 by mother of girl. Date was 13 Jan 2008.> > I have Birth data of Native involved but do not have permission from client to share. So please do not ask it.> > My humble request is Work out, If you can answer the question By KP alone or supplementary methods like ESP/TSP in advance to date. Please quote Ayanamsa and table/Sw used.> > For those who do not want to take trouble to calculate. I am attaching working, you can analyse this chart and give your finding.> > Please understand A slight variation of Ayanamsa alters Sub of planets Moon,Sun And Mercury.( use of Astro kundali,,Table of houses by RE Manu, Krishman tables for number and Swami omkar panchang calculations have been made and checked- which comes out correct is to be seen?)> > Working may involve rotation to 9 th bhava. That is done for you in attached file also.> > Hope members would love to try and contribute.> > NOTE: (Obviously I will let know the outcome after 20 th January , if this mail is approved by Moderator of the group. Attachment will be received by members who have d for individual receipt of mail)> > With best wishes.> > > > > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> R.C.Srivastava> ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > - > tw853 > > Monday, January 14, 2008 9:04 AM> Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > Dear Friends,> > Let me clarify,> > 1. What Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's finding that "there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes " is as per the results he got by using the paid "Astraura" , ie. Astraura Horoscope (Desktop) Version customizable for the desired ayanamsas and with option of Mean or True Node etc. I don't understand how it has been got the significant different results of cusps and Nodes by directly applying NKPA other than the results I've got by using the same "Astraura", free @ http://www.astraura.org with its original KPA and the results are pasted in the attachment. (Geographic entries are converted by the SW into Geocentric and results are given in Geocentric. Mean Node is the default setting. The 21 sec difference in Astraura original KPA and New KPA has been adjusted. The positions of Sun, Mercury & Jupiter are adjusted as per Kalvala Ramanuja Rao's data, which are only 1 sec difference due to rounding.) > > 2. What I've said that "a difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a comparison" means just to give the most possible accurate results for the SWs comparison but NOT FOR ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.> > 3. The issue on accuracy had been discussed before and Shri Raichur's Remarks are given below fro your information:> > 1) ...this small difference in Ayana used by various KP astrologers need not bother a new comer, unduly. THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN KP ARE THE STAR LORD AND THE SUB LORD. In almost all cases, a slight change in the Ayanamsa does not change these important elements. A new comer should go to the essentials, rather than worry about the technicalities of Ayanamsa. In fact The Times of Astrology publishes articles, which use Lahii Ayanamsa, dif of 6 min. appr., and the KP SYSTEM of division. I have found that in almost all cases, except borderline cases, the STAR/SUB Lords are same as the ones with accurate Ayanamsas. THE SUB-SUB LORD will change, as it is more sensitive.> > 2) Ultimately, it is not a question which Ayanamsa is correct, but 'USING KP WHICH AYANAMSA GIVES US THE MORE ACCURATE PREDICTIONS. ?"> > Note: The result of Kanak Bosmia,s research of around 120 life events of 15 AA rated charts shows that the NKPA is working better than Lahiri in the application of KP rules, especially at the Sookshma, fourth dasa level. > > 3) There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KP AYANAMSAs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for stickler> > 4) "Crazy for Accuracy" by A.R Raichur in the K.P & Astrology Year Book 1997, page 68-69 & 1998 page 87-88 (Extracts from the two articles done by Yogesh Rao Lajmi. ji are available in Msg#2857 of this Group.)> > 4. Moreover, some other points worthy to note are:> > 1) While the controversy of the correct Ayanamsa was going on, the Lahiri Ayanamsa was adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH), though not so stated. (Thanks to Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, for clarification.) It implies that the the Lahiri Ayanamsa had been used by the KP astrologers getting the correct results, like in Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati by K. Hariharan.> > 2) The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa whose value very close to Lahiri's (within around 40sec) was also introduced and applied by some KP astrologers getting the correct results, especially in the old K.P & Astrology Year Books till 2003.> > 3) Mr. Khullar working at the very precise Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks has used the KP Stright Line Ayanamsa.> > 5. The purpose of the comparison of SWs results from time to time is just to let the members know whether there is a significance difference amomg them. Now I'm preparing a comparison of Horary chart results. As a member has said, I've tried several times to calculate the following Horary chart by http://www.AstroSage.com but not yet succeeded. Help from any member is requested to provide me the positions of Sun to Rahu and cusps 1 to 6 or the summary PDF chart. (The Astro-Kundli Horary chart has already been received from the lovely man of action Swami ji.) > > Female, No 105 (1-249), When will be marriage? Jan 5, 2008, 10:04:48 AM, Ahmedabad, 72E36, 23N00, NKPA 23:52:43 (Pl mention the original KPA of AstroSage to adjust for comparable results with New KPA.)> > > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > ATTACHMENT> > Astraura's Vedic Horoscope > > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 25' 10"> > Name : Female> > Place : Chennai, IndiaDate : 14-7-1975 Monday> Time : 5-5-0> Longitude : 80-36-0 East> Latitude : 13-6-0 North> Zone : IST 5.5> Settings : Universal Time> Sid.Time : 0° 22' 18"> Latitude : Geographic> Cusp System: PlacidusPlanet Longitude> > Sun 27° Ge 31' 33.3006"> > Mercury 9° Ge 2' 8.3398"> > Venus 9° Le 43' 31.2156"> > Moon 3° Vi 7' 5.5071"> > Mars 15° Ar 35' 21.1333"> > Jupiter 29° Pi 40' 16.394"> > Saturn 28° Ge 52' 17.5306"> > Uranus 4° Li 57' 31.3061"> > Neptune (Retro.) 15° Sc 58' 47.6622"> > Pluto 13° Vi 15' 32.9981"> > Rahu 4° Sc 53' 57.9885"> > Ketu 4° Ta 53' 57.9885"> > Lagna 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"> > Cusps Longitude> > I 16° Ge 55' 35.9965"> > II 12° Cn 47' 24.0769"> > III 11° Le 3' 42.6014"> > IV 12° Vi 39' 10.6117"> > V 15° Li 42' 1.5041"> > VI 17° Sc 21' 0.8595"> > VII 16° Sa 55' 35.9965"> > VIII 12° Cp 47' 24.0769"> > IX 11° Aq 3' 42.6014"> > X 12° Pi 39' 10.6117"> > XI 15° Ar 42' 1.5041"> > XII 17° Ta 21' 0.8595"> > Fortuna 22° Le 31' 8.203"> > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Mr GHOSH> > Feeling of yours should be proved by examples. Take few cases, at least 25, and go on making changes of +- 5 seconds and see wether the sub-lod changes or not .> > Good luck> > > > > > Chittaranajn Ghosh chittaranajnghosh@ wrote: > > dear Group Members,> > Yes I feel the difference of few seconds also a matter of concern due to change sub lords.> > With regards,> > Mr Ghosh,---- Original Message ----> > tw853 tw853@> > > > Friday, January 11, 2008 6:33:51 PM> > Re: COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > Dear Ramanuja Rao Kalvala ji,> > > > Could you provide your data to make it clear for the forum because a > > difference of more than 1-2 seconds does matter for such a > > comparison. That is why for even one second differeces I posted a > > correction.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Ramanuja Rao Kalvala > > <kalvalarao@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > I find there is a difference of a few seconds in the valuesSri > > TinWin ji,> > > Congratulations for the neat work done by you in comparing > > various Softwares of KP. It will help students to choose their > > choice siftwares. And also thanks for including Astraura which I am > > using, so far not knowing whether it is correct or not. I find that > > there is a difference of a few seconds in the cusp values, compared > > to KPASTRO and a big difference in the positions of Nodes. Is this > > difference matter much? Please enlighten me.> > > > > > Kalvala Ramanuja > > Rao > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > Further to my mail, I'm sorry for forgetting to retype the > > positions > > > of Sun to Saturn by 'astraura' as exactly the same by 'KPAstro'.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp > > positions > > > by the> > > > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,> > > > > > > > New KPA 23:25:31> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----KPAstro- ---J Deepika--JHora- ----Astro- Kundli-astraura*> > > > > > > > Su..087-31-13. .087-31-12. .087-31-33. .087-30-56. .087-31-12> > > > > > > > Mo..153-06-45. .153-06-44. .153-06-46. .153-06-28. .153-06-45> > > > > > > > Ma..015-35-00. .015-35-00. .015-35-19. .015-34-44. .015-35-00> > > > > > > > Me..069-01-48. .069-01-47. .069-02-22. .069-01-31. .069-01-47> > > > > > > > Ju..359-39-56. .359-39-55. .359-40-06. .359-39-39. .359-39-55> > > > > > > > Ve..129-43-10. .129-43-10. .129-43-17. .129-42-54. .129-43-10> > > > > > > > Sa..088-51-57. .088-51-56. .088-52-24. .088-51-40. .088-51-57> > > > > > > > Ra..214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-56. .214-53-40. .214-53-37> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1...076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-55-13. .076-54-57. .076-55-15> > > > > > > > 2...102-47-03. .102-47-02. .102-47-02. .102-46-47. .102-47-03> > > > > > > > 3...131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-21. .131-03-05. .131-03-22> > > > > > > > 4...162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-48. .162-38-32. .162-38-50> > > > > > > > 5...195-41-38. .195-41-37. .195-41-38. .195-41-22. .195-41-40> > > > > > > > 6...227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-37. .227-20-22. .227-20-40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31), > > Jyotisha> > > > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its > > > original> > > > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), > > > astraura> > > > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA > > > 23:25:31.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO> > > > > > > > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---JDeep-JHora- Astro-K-- astraura> > > > > > > > Su..-1...+20. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > > > Mo..-1...+01. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > > > Ma..00...+19. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > > > Me..-1...+34. ..-17.... ..000> > > > > > > > Ju..-1...+10. ..-17.... ....000> > > > > > > > Ve..00...+07. ..-16.... ..000> > > > > > > > Sa..-1...+27. ..-17.... ...000> > > > > > > > Ra..00...000. ..-16.... ..-19> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > > > 2...-1...-01. ..-16.... ..00> > > > > > > > 3...00...000. ..-16.... ..+1> > > > > > > > 4...00...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > > > 5...-1...000. ..-16.... ..+2> > > > > > > > 6...00...000. ..-15.... ..+3> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. OBSERVATION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets> > > > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user> > > > (http://www.astro. com <http://www.astro. com/> ) with no more > > than > > > 1-2> > > > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be> > > > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'> > > > positions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the> > > > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and> > > > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting> > > > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA> > > > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. > > > (Shri> > > > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,> > > > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the > > > customizing> > > > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the > > New > > > KP> > > > Ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or > > > dasa> > > > balance (except in border line cases).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUTION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura > > > because the> > > > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, > > > which> > > > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Search.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Hello Mr. Tin Win. Thank you for the timely software comparison.

 

If I may be permitted, I have one general comment for the

group audience. I would like to see a non-software erection of an

example chart as a sort of baseline. This should be done with a

calculator, or calculator program, with high precision, and care

should be taken to avoid accumulation of errors, and so on. One

should use the highly-rated Swiss Epemeris (which seems to be

available for download in freeware program format).

 

There was a time when jyotishis readily cast horoscopes " manually " .

Surely, this is not a lost ability?

 

Finally, I recommend astrologers always indicate the software they

used when publishing horoscope details. I have often been unable to

reproduce astrologer's chart details at the sub-sub lord level (even

occasionally at the sub lord level) in my software(s). In science, one

always describes one's experimental setup and software programs when

reporting data.

 

Thanks for reading,

GA

 

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COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

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> Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its original

> KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04), astraura

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> Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

>

> Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

>

> Ma..00...+19...-16......000

>

> Me..-1...+34...-17......000

>

> Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

>

> Ve..00...+07...-16......000

>

> Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

>

> Ra..00...000...-16......-19

>

>

>

> 1...00...000...-16......+2

>

> 2...-1...-01...-16......00

>

> 3...00...000...-16......+1

>

> 4...00...000...-16......+2

>

> 5...-1...000...-16......+2

>

> 6...00...000...-15......+3

>

>

>

> 3. OBSERVATION

>

>

>

> 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more than 1-2

> sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> positions.

>

>

>

> Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

>

>

>

> 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA. (Shri

> Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the customizing

> or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the New KP

> Ayanamsa.

>

>

>

> 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or dasa

> balance (except in border line cases).

>

>

>

> CAUTION

>

>

>

> Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura because the

> default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

>

>

>

> Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes, which

> is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

>

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Dear Swami ji,

 

1. A Pocket PC with Astracadabra of Mr. Neville Lang may be helpful

for you.

 

2. Anyway you can get the correct prediction by manual calculations

as per the following reference:

 

June 1991 Grahavani Journal (of Hyderabad, AP.,India):

" According to almost all ephemeris, Saturn had gone into

retrogression and entered Dhanus (Sagittarius) and again reentered

Makara (Capricorn) on 15 December 1990. But according to Vakya

Panchanga (ephemeris) followed by Nadi astrologers in South India,

Saturn entered Makara on 10 February 1991, that is, a difference of

55 days. Then what is the fate of the children born between 15 Dec

1990 to 10 Feb 1991, whether Saturn is to be placed in Dhanus or

Makara. According to Vakya Panchanga, such a situation is common for

Saturn whenever it retrogrades or entering the signs, there will be a

difference of nearly 90 days, and for Jupiter 15 days and for fast

moving planets Budha (Mercury), Sukra (Venus) for 1 to 3 days will be

there. How to reconcile this position is for scholars in the science

to decide. All Nadi literature was based on Vakya Panchanga and the

predictions arrived on such calculations are 80% coming true. In view

of the different Graha Gathis (planetary movements) even the

horoscope charts prepared through computers are of no use " .

 

3. If TSP were applied by you at the time and place of Hoary

prediction, the answer is NO, as shown by the KPAstro 3.0 print-out

below.

 

 

Pt. Kar's Theory of Short Prediction

 

Location: AGRA, UTTAR PRADESH, India

13/Jan/2008 Time: 05:30:00 AM Horary: 25/249

 

Question:

Will be marriage ceremony?

 

 

Analysis

Time used for analysis: 13-Jan-2008 [5:30:0]

 

Saturn's effect is not considered for analysis.

 

ASC lords are Ve-Su-Sa-Sa

MOON lords are Sa-Ju-Sa-Me

 

Rule - 1:

SS lord of Asc SS lord is Ra.

Mo, Ma, Sa are agents of Ra.

Sa is ASC SS lord.

Rule Satisfied.

 

Rule - 2:

Star lord of Asc SS lord is Ve.

Rule NOT Satisfied.

 

Rule - 3:

Star lord of SS lord of Asc SS lord is Ma.

Rule NOT Satisfied.

1 out of 3 rules satisfied.

 

Hence according to TSP, the answer is NO.

 

4. Since the couple was already married, as per my limited knowledge

of KP, the ceremony with disappointment is more possible because

there are 2,11 houses without house 7 and repeated house 8.

 

5. I'm wondering whether life or astrology, devine science, can be

set in mathematical equations, to give the same answer for any

astrologer who applies the same rules of equations. I don't think so.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " gandalfaragorn "

<gandalfaragorn wrote:

>

> Hello Mr. Tin Win. Thank you for the timely software comparison.

>

> If I may be permitted, I have one general comment for the

 

> group audience. I would like to see a non-software erection of an

> example chart as a sort of baseline. This should be done with a

> calculator, or calculator program, with high precision, and care

> should be taken to avoid accumulation of errors, and so on. One

> should use the highly-rated Swiss Epemeris (which seems to be

> available for download in freeware program format).

>

> There was a time when jyotishis readily cast horoscopes " manually " .

> Surely, this is not a lost ability?

>

> Finally, I recommend astrologers always indicate the software they

> used when publishing horoscope details. I have often been unable to

> reproduce astrologer's chart details at the sub-sub lord level

(even

> occasionally at the sub lord level) in my software(s). In science,

one

> always describes one's experimental setup and software programs

when

> reporting data.

>

> Thanks for reading,

> GA

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> >

> >

> > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

positions by the

> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> >

> >

> >

> > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> >

> >

> >

> > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

> >

> > New KPA 23:25:31

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> >

> >

> >

> > ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

> >

> > Su..........

> >

> > Mo..........

> >

> > Ma..........

> >

> > Me..........

> >

> > Ju..........

> >

> > Ve..........

> >

> > Sa..........

> >

> > Ra..........

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...........

> >

> > 2...........

> >

> > 3...........

> >

> > 4...........

> >

> > 5...........

> >

> > 6...........

> >

> >

> >

> > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

Jyotisha

> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its

original

> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

astraura

> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

23:25:31.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> >

> > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> >

> >

> >

> > ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

> >

> > Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

> >

> > Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

> >

> > Ma..00...+19...-16......000

> >

> > Me..-1...+34...-17......000

> >

> > Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

> >

> > Ve..00...+07...-16......000

> >

> > Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

> >

> > Ra..00...000...-16......-19

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 2...-1...-01...-16......00

> >

> > 3...00...000...-16......+1

> >

> > 4...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 5...-1...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 6...00...000...-15......+3

> >

> >

> >

> > 3. OBSERVATION

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more

than 1-2

> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > positions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

(Shri

> > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

customizing

> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the

New KP

> > Ayanamsa.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

dasa

> > balance (except in border line cases).

> >

> >

> >

> > CAUTION

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

because the

> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes,

which

> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> >

>

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Dear Gandalfaragorn ji,

 

1. Why don't you try yourself and let the forum know the results, if

you're interested in manual calculation. The results of Astrodienst,

the provider and user of Swiss ephemeris or the same results given

by KPAstro 3.0 can be taken as a basic.

 

2. For me it isn't necessary to do so because I've faith in

developers of SWs that they're doing good job. I had already

presented the comparison 4 times before in this forum. In only

extreme cases of going back 200 or 300 years back, some SWs go out

of line depending which ephemeris they are using.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " gandalfaragorn "

<gandalfaragorn wrote:

>

> Hello Mr. Tin Win. Thank you for the timely software comparison.

>

> If I may be permitted, I have one general comment for the

 

> group audience. I would like to see a non-software erection of an

> example chart as a sort of baseline. This should be done with a

> calculator, or calculator program, with high precision, and care

> should be taken to avoid accumulation of errors, and so on. One

> should use the highly-rated Swiss Epemeris (which seems to be

> available for download in freeware program format).

>

> There was a time when jyotishis readily cast horoscopes " manually " .

> Surely, this is not a lost ability?

>

> Finally, I recommend astrologers always indicate the software they

> used when publishing horoscope details. I have often been unable to

> reproduce astrologer's chart details at the sub-sub lord level

(even

> occasionally at the sub lord level) in my software(s). In science,

one

> always describes one's experimental setup and software programs

when

> reporting data.

>

> Thanks for reading,

> GA

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> >

> >

> > For your information. the comparison of planet and cusp

positions by the

> > Swiss ephemeris using SWs is presented below.

> >

> >

> >

> > With thanks to Swami ji and Kalvala ji for providing the data,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > COMPARISON OF RESULTS BY SWISS EMPHEMERIS USING SWS

> >

> >

> >

> > Female, July 14, 1975, 05:05 AM, Perambar, Chennai, 13N06, 80E36,

> >

> > New KPA 23:25:31

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. POSITIONS IN DEG:MIN:SEC OF PLANETS AND CUSPS

> >

> >

> >

> > ----KPAstro----J Deepika--JHora-----Astro-Kundli-astraura*

> >

> > Su..........

> >

> > Mo..........

> >

> > Ma..........

> >

> > Me..........

> >

> > Ju..........

> >

> > Ve..........

> >

> > Sa..........

> >

> > Ra..........

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...........

> >

> > 2...........

> >

> > 3...........

> >

> > 4...........

> >

> > 5...........

> >

> > 6...........

> >

> >

> >

> > * Included as per request of Kalvala Ramanuja Rao ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: The Ayanamsa in KPAstro 3.0 (its New KPA 23:25:31),

Jyotisha

> > Deepika 1.0 (its New KPA 23:25:33), Jagannatha Hora 7.03 (its

original

> > KPA 23:25:07), Astro-Kundli 6.25 (its original KPA 23:25:04),

astraura

> > ( New KPA 23:25:10) is adjusted to the comparable New KPA

23:25:31.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2. DIFFERENCE IN SECONDS FROM KPASTRO

> >

> > (Other SW's results minus KPAstro results)

> >

> >

> >

> > ---JDeep-JHora-Astro-K--astraura

> >

> > Su..-1...+20...-17.......000

> >

> > Mo..-1...+01...-17......000

> >

> > Ma..00...+19...-16......000

> >

> > Me..-1...+34...-17......000

> >

> > Ju..-1...+10...-17........000

> >

> > Ve..00...+07...-16......000

> >

> > Sa..-1...+27...-17.......000

> >

> > Ra..00...000...-16......-19

> >

> >

> >

> > 1...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 2...-1...-01...-16......00

> >

> > 3...00...000...-16......+1

> >

> > 4...00...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 5...-1...000...-16......+2

> >

> > 6...00...000...-15......+3

> >

> >

> >

> > 3. OBSERVATION

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) KPAstro gives exactly the same `sayana' positions of planets

> > and cusps as Astrodienst, Swiss ephemeris provider and user

> > (http://www.astro.com <http://www.astro.com/> ) with no more

than 1-2

> > sec difference due to rounding. The `nirayana' positions can be

> > get after deducting the New KP Ayanamsa from the `sayana'

> > positions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: NKPA should be `directly' deducted from the

> > `sayana' positions. The differences in positions by KPAstro and

> > Astrodienst in Msg#3477 are because of my mistake by adjusting

> > Astrodienst `nirayana' positions by Lahiri Ayanamsa into KPA

> > positions. Another comparison is in Msg#2036.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) KPAstro and Jyotisha Deepika are directly applying New KPA.

(Shri

> > Raichur's SW and Astracadabra do the same.) Jagannatha Hora,

> > Astro-Kundli and astraura (paid one, not expensive) has the

customizing

> > or offset facility to adjust the available KP Ayanamsa to the

New KP

> > Ayanamsa.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) The differences are not significant to change the sublord or

dasa

> > balance (except in border line cases).

> >

> >

> >

> > CAUTION

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't touch 'Geocentric' option in KPAstro and astraura

because the

> > default setting gives 'Geocentric positions', which we're using.

> >

> >

> >

> > Pl don't change the default setting for the MEAN value of Nodes,

which

> > is used in KP, to the TRUE value.

> >

>

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