[VRI] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

 

I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric elements in it. If

some people do not believe in it one has to leave them alone. In the same way

one should not object to anybody's believing in astrology. The Grahas and the

Nakshatras may effect us either in  inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The

Jupiter is protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies,

which otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun and the

Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget that our bodies

have more water than anything else.  If one one wants to evaluate these

effects anew on statistical basis we should not object to it. But if one

condemns astrology just because he thinks that the Grahas and the Nakshatras

cannot affect us or that any relation between the heavenly bodies and us cannot

exist then  that condemnation is unpardonable.

 

Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his likes  are

trying their best  to distort the antiquity of Hindu astrology and that is an

attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a subject which has sanction from the

ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

[VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

 

Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada-bhai,

 

Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the short

teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have noticed is that

there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving! Scientists doing such

would get killed, metaphorically at least in the real world out there, even if

some may call it 'phani' (or the way a Bangali $wamiji that I came across long

ago would have pronounced " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

 

If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager to claim and

prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science get established as a

MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality by going back to its

scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

 

NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of Yore but with

reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists gratefully climbed on the

shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always made sure that they packed a

working parachute before the climb! Being pragmatic by disposition, they took

into account the 'risk': What if the ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known

to biodegrade over long periods of time. Yes??

 

RR

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> Dear Hareshji,

>  

> Namaste,

>  

> There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the karma theory

because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including you believe in the

karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe in astrology and that the

natal charts tell us about past karma and in this life we reap according to our

past karma and the present karma together and that is why some present karmas

do influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there umpteen

instances of  omens (effect of the grahas and nakhsatras).  Hindus believe

in all these. Astrology was there in the Hindu culture from the beginning and it

is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and

communities also have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ

himself predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of his disciples

in flesh amd blood.

They also believe

> that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk on water.

Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam also believes that

the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad and that prophet Muhammad

had once journeyed to some distant far-away inaccessible regions in one night.

>  

> Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He may find some

supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother about that. But he is

spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not there in the Veda and Vedanga and

that astrology was not known to the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on

our guard only against his such mischievous lies.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..>

> [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which

aspect?

> vedic_research_ institute

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

>

>

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@

...> wrote:

>

> Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> Namaskar!

> U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

>

> Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the

sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

>

> I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is

actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly!

Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files section

> Regards,

> A K Kaul

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> >

> >

> > Pls read this article written by me.

> >

> > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement

of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about

the past, present & future of an individual.

> > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs

some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him

house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present

days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and

capability to have children.

> > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the

first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan,

and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the

4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th

house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our

longevity.

> > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed,

lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will

do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in

the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

> > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs,

mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in

19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

dasha’s.

> > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> >  

> > Haresh Nathani

> > Cell +91 9867214103

> > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > Mumbai (India)

> > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> >  

> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

> > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query=

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> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> >

> > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

in which aspect?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > is there anyone that can answer me?

> >

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> >

> > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition

http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox

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[Guest guest]

Here I find Mr SKB absolutely in the right.

 

-Vinay Jha

 

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Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

 

Friday, May 15, 2009 7:05:24 AM

[VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada-bhai,

 

Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the short

teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have noticed is that

there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving! Scientists doing such

would get killed, metaphorically at least in the real world out there, even if

some may call it 'phani' (or the way a Bangali $wamiji that I came across long

ago would have pronounced " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

 

If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager to claim and

prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science get established as a

MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality by going back to its

scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

 

NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of Yore but with

reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists gratefully climbed on the

shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always made sure that they packed a

working parachute before the climb! Being pragmatic by disposition, they took

into account the 'risk': What if the ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known

to biodegrade over long periods of time. Yes??

 

RR

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> Dear Hareshji,

> Â

> Namaste,

> Â

> There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the karma theory

because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including you believe in the

karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe in astrology and that the

natal charts tell us about past karma and in this life we reap according to our

past karma and the present karma together and that is why some present karmas

do influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there umpteen

instances of omens (effect of the grahas and nakhsatras). Hindus believe

in all these. Astrology was there in the Hindu culture from the beginning and it

is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and

communities also have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ

himself predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of his disciples

in flesh amd blood. They also

believe

> that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk on water.

Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam also believes that

the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad and that prophet Muhammad

had once journeyed to some distant far-away inaccessible regions in one night.

> Â

> Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He may find some

supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother about that. But he is

spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not there in the Veda and Vedanga and

that astrology was not known to the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on

our guard only against his such mischievous lies.

> Â

> Regards,

> Â

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..>

> [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which

aspect?

> vedic_research_ institute@ .. com

> Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

>

>

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@

...> wrote:

>

> Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> Namaskar!

> U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

>

> Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the

sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

>

> I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is

actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly!

Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files section

> Regards,

> A K Kaul

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> >

> >

> > Pls read this article written by me.

> >

> > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement

of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about

the past, present & future of an individual.

> > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs

some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him

house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present

days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and

capability to have children.

> > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the

first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan,

and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the

4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th

house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our

longevity.

> > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will do

all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the

form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

> > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon in 10 yrs,

mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in

19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

dasha’s.

> > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> > ÂÂ

> > Haresh Nathani

> > Cell +91 9867214103

> > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > Mumbai (India)

> > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > ÂÂ

> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +919867214103

> > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query=

chandra-adityaas troremedies

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method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy= 1 & sortDir= up

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> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> >

> > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

in which aspect?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > is there anyone that can answer me?

> >

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> >

> > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition

http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rohiniji,

 

i agree this 'is' a part of research and also wish those who wants to

establish jyotish as science successful in their endevour.

 

I am neither frustrated nor threatened for this or that.I am clear in my

mind that there will be people who negate just as there will be people

who are positive.Thats the reason the argument/research goes on and

on.Thats the beauty/curse of the duality.

 

As far as i am concerned it is an established super science.period.I am

sorry that i can not compare it with chemistry or any other science

simply because you cant prove it like chemistry(in the lab).

 

regards,

 

gopi.

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Gopi ji!

>

> This *is* part of research and an important thing to figure out and

establish! Because it establishes the need to learn something!

>

> Take chemistry for example. When Alchemy prevailed, there were

faculties and schools of Alchemy I am sure but how many students

enrolled or chose it as their life's mission?

>

> I would be curious to find out what was the enrollment in Chemistry in

say 1700s or 1800s and even if we factor in the 'estimated' population

that we have today what is the current enrollment rate?

>

> I think Chemistry as a SCIENCE (PURE SCIENCE if I may add as it is

defined and accepted!) attracts a lot more bright minds to it and this

is not for any esoteric reason but common-sense. Pioneers established

and demonstrated Chemistry as Science and 'demonstrated' (not just

claimed!!) its usefulness to modern reality and progress that some may

shun or pooh-pooh but if they are typing on a computer or use any

detergents in their kitchen or bathroom or use adhesives or occasionally

paint (their deva-sthali or temple, for instance?) and have use for

metals or take public transport (diesel...?) or simply cook food before

they eat (chemistry again!)!

>

> In some ways this is almost a 'human' process and trend and hence so

many bright minds are trying to establish astrology as a science and to

justify its importance and need for modern society. No need to get

frustrated or threatened by it (I know you are not threatened, just

frustrated! :-)) because it is a very well tested and true paradigm and

approach! Demonstrate the usefulness, reproducibility and validity of

something, say a discipline, a subject and human beings will take

notice! Humans are not foolish, though they get impatient and distracted

easily. They react because it is the sign of intelligence. Like between

a kitten and a tortoise -- which one would you really think is

intelligent, despite the cat living a much shorter life than a massive

tortoise or a sloth or a lizard or a slab of granite?

>

> RR

>

> , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear ones,

> >

> > namaste to all.This thing of astrology is a

> > science or a myth is going on and on for decades and it may keep on

> > going as well since human mind is such that it wants to keep such

things

> > going for its own survival! or amusement.Whether it is a science or

not

> > we must agree that astrology is astrology.We should only be

interested

> > in whether it works or not.Every astrologer who is his worth not in

> > money knows that it works.Hence i only request the learned ones to

stop

> > this argument and concentrate on the research part of it.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > gopi.

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Hareshji,

> > > Â

> > > Namaste,

> > > Â

> > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the

karma

> > theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including

you

> > believe in the karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe

in

> > astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past karma and in

this

> > life we reap according to our past karma and the present karma

together

> > and that is why some present karmas do influence on our past

> > karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there umpteen instances

ofÂ

> > omens (effect of the grahas and nakhsatras). Hindus believe in

all

> > these. Astrology was there in the Hindu culture from the beginning

and

> > it is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides Hindus the otherÂ

> > religions and communities also have such beliefs. The christians

believe

> > that Jesus Christ himself predicted that he would resurrect after

death

> > and that he accordingly resurrected yet after his death he could

> > appear before some of his disciples in flesh amd blood. They

also

> > believe

> > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk

on

> > water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam

also

> > believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad

and

> > that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

> > inaccessible regions in one night.

> > > Â

> > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He

may

> > find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother

about

> > that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not

there

> > in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to the

Hindus

> > in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against his such

> > mischievous lies.

> > > Â

> > > Regards,

> > > Â

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in

> > which aspect?

> > > vedic_research_institute

> > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

> > results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

> > houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> > >

> > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

> > cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for

that

> > last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since

people

> > have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and

again!

> > >

> > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

> > astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

> > courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

> > through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > Regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

> > Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > >

> > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on

> > placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

> > bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

> > Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the

> > placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

tell

> > everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

> > born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about

his

> > or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods

were

> > keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

> > replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

> > through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

> > through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in

reality.

> > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

in

> > this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

company,

> > so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

money/dhan

> > in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to

grow

> > he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave

him

> > younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man

needs

> > some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God

> > gave him house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a

luxury

> > & now in present days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a

house

> > to live he needs intelligence and children for the family to grow.

God

> > gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

luxuries,

> > intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has

all

> > the comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and

heaven

> > so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now

if a

> > person has sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will

> > also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a

spouse

> > to look after and support and satisfy our lust. God also gave

us

> > a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

the

> > form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

to

> > remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

karma

> > or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

ways

> > of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

> > business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession

as

> > either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession.

God

> > also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is

not

> > 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From

the

> > first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and

> > money/dhan, and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends,

relatives,

> > contacts. From the 4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we

see

> > our intelligence and our children, from 6th house we see our enemies

and

> > our disease state, from 7th house our sexual relationships and our

> > spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

service,

> > from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house

how

> > will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house says

what

> > will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

> > Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

> > Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars

or

> > Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

> > siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king

and

> > queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the

teacher

> > or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and

also

> > show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our

> > sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

will

> > do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

> > themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever

planet

> > & house they sit.

> > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon in

10

> > yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in

20

> > yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our

maha

> > dasha’s.

> > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

us

> > what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

> > sufferings.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +919867214103

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> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > > >

> > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > Is astrology a science or a

religious

> > myth? in which aspect?

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > is there anyone that can answer me?

> > > >

> > > >

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