Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Krishna Ji Thank you. Dispositors in a chain relationship will have mutual relationships ,roles,dependencies. Thus shrinkhalas may be an area of research. However involvement of lagna (individuals natural inclination, shukra-amorous karaka ) and then lagna lords involvement with saturn(basic or raw emotions, behaviour) through aspect as well as amsha parivartana( mutual parivartana at prana level) etc are to be mainly considered as per classics. Kindly share the birth data that you possess - privately or otherwise for my learning. On another note , it is interesting to note that the discussions are happening when Mars is with exalted Venus in transit. Regards Pradeep , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Thanks for quoting the ancient dictum for unusual sexual orientation. If you have read my earlier mail on this thread, I also gave the linkage between Saturn and Venus specially as related to 2nd and 11th houses. That is because, Venus is the owner of natural 2nd house Taurus and Saturn is the owner of natural 11th house Aquarius. > > I have looked at about 15-20 charts of people with unusual sexual orientations and in most charts I could see such combination. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009 7:38:02 PM > Re: A puzzle - Krishna Ji > > > > > > Krishna Ji > > Thanks for the initial lead regarding light saving. > > Pradeep > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Radha ji , Ranjan Ji Mr.Ron > > > > Dhanu as well as Makara is showing 7th house related difficulties. In both the cases, either 7th house or 7th lord is heavily afflicted. > > > > If there was no adjustment done then PDT applies, giving Dhanu Lagna.7th lord in 8th with ketu,aspected by saturn and mars. 7th house flanked by malefics. 7th house has shukra, which is 6th & 11th lord for dhanu. Sun joining this shukra can also show difficulties for father, due to functional role, especially in the 7th. > > > > Venus lording 6th house joining Sun(lording 9th) in the house of relationships, explains lesbian rights activitism. > > > > Education:-4th ,5th houses are having strength. Jupiter aspects own house and exaltation place. > > > > Her Lagna & 4th lord Jupiter is in the 12 explaining frequent movements during the Jupiter dasha. > > > > Mercury is 10th lord in 8th with ketu. Career changes breaks (1999-2000, Me/Ke). Did do literary work, tracing history & lineage-Nodal association. Mercury has navamsha in natal lagna and dashamsha in the 10th house from natal lagna. > > > > Me/Ve period is explaining her being a fellow - Arts Journalism(Columbia University 2000-01). Book release happened in Me/Ju(2009). Lagna lord jupiter transiting over exalted 5th lord and aspecting its own exaltation place and the 10th lord mercury. > > > > Lagna rashi being Thula or Vrishabha , Lagnamsha falling in Kumbha, Sukra and Shani falling in mutual amsha, shukra and shani in mutual 7th, makes one engage in sex with some one dressed up as a man. As we know results mentioned for Jyotish combinations are based on underlying principles. The degree of the said effect depends on how far the principle has manifested. > > > > In this case, the lady has afflictions to 7th house/lord. Saturn is in the Kshethra of Venus and Venus has amshaka in Shani Kshethra.And this happens to be kumbha.Indications of the sexual behaviour is present. > > > > Yes it is ofcourse difficult as we can get convinced with our arguments. > > > > Pradeep > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ranjanji, > > > > > > The time is what was sent in the telegram by the father to his mother. > > > > > > I do not think that I will ask the author about the DST question. She is very transparent in the amount of information she has given in the book. > > > > > > If the Lagna makes no difference-- or, if both lagnas say the same thing--what is the whole point of astrology? > > > > > > I am glad that I have at least done some publicity for the book. No author would object to that! > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Radha ji, > > > > > > > > The doubts you raise and voice are valid and perhaps your surmise is correct and the *uncertainty* rightly described in your most recent message. I have not read the book so don't know if the birthtime shared by the authoress in her public sharing was based on what her parents sent to her grandmother or if it was simply reproduced from birth certificate or similar records. Some countries indicate the time of birth, others do not. Obama's birthcertificate had the time which then put to rest many 'probabilities and possibilities' , for example. > > > > > > > > You are right though: if one is really interested, they can ask the nativity herself but she may be busy or non-responsive and that often is the problem with celebrities. Jyotish-afficianado s need not lament though! There are many other records that may be available readily now that Rodden's huge database is freely available by the categories from astrodienst website. :-) > > > > > > > > Why guess, speculate and waste time when alternative data are readily available! Particularly when the guesses and speculations cannot be verified and validated through feed-back? > > > > > > > > So many variables and confounders already bless jyotish -- why add to the confusion and Khichdi with a questionable birthtime -- is what a simpleton like me would wonder about...! > > > > > > > > Sorry for any interruption caused by me... > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > I agree with what you say. But her parents were educated and sent the information to a grandmother who had the horoscope prepared by an astrologer in India. So they may have factored in the deduction for DST. Someone should ask the author herself. But shouldn't the horoscope (Dhanu or Makar) reflect it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Radha Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since most people would just know and report whatever clock time was prevalent, it would be a safe assumption that the '19:42' was PDT which was in effect during the birth epoch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently reading a book, Leaving India by Minal Hazratwala in which the > > > > > > > author has provided her birth data as well as important information about > > > > > > > herself. However, she does not mention if the time of birth provided is > > > > > > > standard time or daylight savings time. The standard time gives Makar lagna and > > > > > > > is this whereas daylight savings time (-1) gives Dhanu lagna. My question to > > > > > > > you is this: which lagna is correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman is highly educated, a journalist, and has just come out with an > > > > > > > important book. She is also well-traveled. She is a lesbian/bisexual (unmarried > > > > > > > and no children.) She has a younger brother and her parents are living. She > > > > > > > lost her virginity at 17. She is not only brilliant but an extremely honest and > > > > > > > sincere person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is excellent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data for this writer: > > > > > > > July 12, 1971 19:42 PDT or PST, San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite group at http://in.promos./groups/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Dear Pradeep ji, Though more research is required on Srinkhala, I believe that there is no dispute on whether the planets in Srinkhala influence each other or not. Also, one should look at the 8th lord indicating the sexual desire of the native. I lost some of my data during my previous hard disk crash. I will gather that again and share with you once I have it. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 3:28:38 AM Re: A puzzle - Pradeep Ji Dear Krishna Ji Thank you. Dispositors in a chain relationship will have mutual relationships ,roles,dependencies . Thus shrinkhalas may be an area of research. However involvement of lagna (individuals natural inclination, shukra-amorous karaka ) and then lagna lords involvement with saturn(basic or raw emotions, behaviour) through aspect as well as amsha parivartana( mutual parivartana at prana level) etc are to be mainly considered as per classics. Kindly share the birth data that you possess - privately or otherwise for my learning. On another note , it is interesting to note that the discussions are happening when Mars is with exalted Venus in transit. Regards Pradeep , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Thanks for quoting the ancient dictum for unusual sexual orientation. If you have read my earlier mail on this thread, I also gave the linkage between Saturn and Venus specially as related to 2nd and 11th houses. That is because, Venus is the owner of natural 2nd house Taurus and Saturn is the owner of natural 11th house Aquarius. > > I have looked at about 15-20 charts of people with unusual sexual orientations and in most charts I could see such combination. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009 7:38:02 PM > Re: A puzzle - Krishna Ji > > > > > > Krishna Ji > > Thanks for the initial lead regarding light saving. > > Pradeep > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Radha ji , Ranjan Ji Mr.Ron > > > > Dhanu as well as Makara is showing 7th house related difficulties. In both the cases, either 7th house or 7th lord is heavily afflicted. > > > > If there was no adjustment done then PDT applies, giving Dhanu Lagna.7th lord in 8th with ketu,aspected by saturn and mars. 7th house flanked by malefics. 7th house has shukra, which is 6th & 11th lord for dhanu. Sun joining this shukra can also show difficulties for father, due to functional role, especially in the 7th. > > > > Venus lording 6th house joining Sun(lording 9th) in the house of relationships, explains lesbian rights activitism. > > > > Education:-4th ,5th houses are having strength. Jupiter aspects own house and exaltation place. > > > > Her Lagna & 4th lord Jupiter is in the 12 explaining frequent movements during the Jupiter dasha. > > > > Mercury is 10th lord in 8th with ketu. Career changes breaks (1999-2000, Me/Ke). Did do literary work, tracing history & lineage-Nodal association. Mercury has navamsha in natal lagna and dashamsha in the 10th house from natal lagna. > > > > Me/Ve period is explaining her being a fellow - Arts Journalism(Columbia University 2000-01). Book release happened in Me/Ju(2009). Lagna lord jupiter transiting over exalted 5th lord and aspecting its own exaltation place and the 10th lord mercury. > > > > Lagna rashi being Thula or Vrishabha , Lagnamsha falling in Kumbha, Sukra and Shani falling in mutual amsha, shukra and shani in mutual 7th, makes one engage in sex with some one dressed up as a man. As we know results mentioned for Jyotish combinations are based on underlying principles. The degree of the said effect depends on how far the principle has manifested. > > > > In this case, the lady has afflictions to 7th house/lord. Saturn is in the Kshethra of Venus and Venus has amshaka in Shani Kshethra.And this happens to be kumbha.Indications of the sexual behaviour is present. > > > > Yes it is ofcourse difficult as we can get convinced with our arguments. > > > > Pradeep > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ranjanji, > > > > > > The time is what was sent in the telegram by the father to his mother. > > > > > > I do not think that I will ask the author about the DST question. She is very transparent in the amount of information she has given in the book. > > > > > > If the Lagna makes no difference-- or, if both lagnas say the same thing--what is the whole point of astrology? > > > > > > I am glad that I have at least done some publicity for the book. No author would object to that! > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Radha ji, > > > > > > > > The doubts you raise and voice are valid and perhaps your surmise is correct and the *uncertainty* rightly described in your most recent message. I have not read the book so don't know if the birthtime shared by the authoress in her public sharing was based on what her parents sent to her grandmother or if it was simply reproduced from birth certificate or similar records. Some countries indicate the time of birth, others do not. Obama's birthcertificate had the time which then put to rest many 'probabilities and possibilities' , for example. > > > > > > > > You are right though: if one is really interested, they can ask the nativity herself but she may be busy or non-responsive and that often is the problem with celebrities. Jyotish-afficianado s need not lament though! There are many other records that may be available readily now that Rodden's huge database is freely available by the categories from astrodienst website. :-) > > > > > > > > Why guess, speculate and waste time when alternative data are readily available! Particularly when the guesses and speculations cannot be verified and validated through feed-back? > > > > > > > > So many variables and confounders already bless jyotish -- why add to the confusion and Khichdi with a questionable birthtime -- is what a simpleton like me would wonder about...! > > > > > > > > Sorry for any interruption caused by me... > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > I agree with what you say. But her parents were educated and sent the information to a grandmother who had the horoscope prepared by an astrologer in India. So they may have factored in the deduction for DST. Someone should ask the author herself. But shouldn't the horoscope (Dhanu or Makar) reflect it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Radha Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since most people would just know and report whatever clock time was prevalent, it would be a safe assumption that the '19:42' was PDT which was in effect during the birth epoch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently reading a book, Leaving India by Minal Hazratwala in which the > > > > > > > author has provided her birth data as well as important information about > > > > > > > herself. However, she does not mention if the time of birth provided is > > > > > > > standard time or daylight savings time. The standard time gives Makar lagna and > > > > > > > is this whereas daylight savings time (-1) gives Dhanu lagna. My question to > > > > > > > you is this: which lagna is correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman is highly educated, a journalist, and has just come out with an > > > > > > > important book. She is also well-traveled. She is a lesbian/bisexual (unmarried > > > > > > > and no children.) She has a younger brother and her parents are living. She > > > > > > > lost her virginity at 17. She is not only brilliant but an extremely honest and > > > > > > > sincere person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is excellent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data for this writer: > > > > > > > July 12, 1971 19:42 PDT or PST, San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite group at http://in.promos. / groups/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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