Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Vinayji, Forget all that that had been flung at you over the months and years! Please predict the future for this nativity for the next five years. January 26, 1987 17h 43min (5:43 PM) Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 97 degrees -WEST- 09 minutes 49 degrees -NORTH - 52 minutes What do you see? Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All : > > Sunil ji is making wrong statements in my name (not deliberately perhaps, but due to lack of interest in knowing facts) . I never said Kundalee software is the ONLY proof of Suryasiddhanta , because Kundalee is not for mundane astrology. The best proof of Suryasiddhanta is mundane astrology, because there we have many raashis of difference between Saurapakshiya and Drikpakshiya (physical planets') samkraanti timings , while in individual horoscopy the difference is only of half a degree which is not enough in many cases. For this purpose, I started a topic about mundane ) astrology (Yaamaala tantra) which was diverted by Sunil ji. > > Secondly, I never said anyone, including me, can make absolutely true predictions through any software in the world, including Kundalee. Making predictions requires a thorogh analysis of all aspects of charts of a native and sometimes the issues are so complex that no one knows which way to find the solution. Arjuna in MBh said that outcome is a function of Praarabdha and Purushaartha. Man is not a toy in the hand of Praarabdha and can change it by means of Purushaartha. Otherwise, there is no use of graha shaanti & c. Due to actions of present life, destiny undergoes changes which is not reflected in horoscope of birth-time. Moreover, influences of near relatives mould the outcome of horoscope which an astrologer cannot always take into account. Hence, horoscopes fail to give accurate predictions in all cases. > > My claim is limited to three points : (1) Vimshottari timing by means of Kundalee has matched with actual events in 100% cases tested so far, (2) divisionals are very accurate, and (3) varsha and maasa pravesha kundalis are highly reliable. > > There are other features too in Kundalee, eg Shyam Kansal ji reported in AIA that Kundali software makes most comprehensive use of Ashtakavarga among all horoscopic softwares he ever saw. Even this single feature would make Kundalee a thing to be used and not to be abused without testing. > > Thirdly, I never asked Sunil ji or anyone else not to test my software. Sunil ji is viewing this whole issue subjectively. > > -VJ > > ================ =============== > > > ________________________________ > " sunil_bhattacharjya " <sunil_bhattacharjya > > Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:27:35 PM > Re: Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I have been contesting the Vinayji's claim about his interpretation of the non-physical locations of the grahas in the Suryasiddhanta and also his claim that this can be verified only through a trial of his Kundalee software. He also says that predictions through this software is will never fail and this appears to me to be in conflict with the theory of Karma as in that case everything will be proved to be predestined. Anyway once Rajji solves the downloading problem the members may not hesitate to download the Kundalee software and verify his two claims. But it is better that the findings are reported by those people whom Jhaji trusts.This is inspite of the fact that Jhaji is cesuring me for not trying his software. Once the software-download peroblem is over and if > my findings prove to be contrary to his claims I am afraid that he may say that my results are biased. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > Bhaskar > <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta > > Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:01 PM > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > I hear a sudden change in melody. > > Yes we must allow Shri Vinay ji to showcase what he has got in form of his software, which is why I always tried downloading it, and also supported him many a times when he encountered confrontations from many members. Justice must be given, whatever may be the core known or unknown intentions behind any project which is not our lookout or concern. > > About software being to the mark, and jyotish acumen running parallel, this may be be too early for anyone of us to vouch for.I am keeping abreast of mails sent to other Groups once in a while and know he has recently given replies to some members on JR, about which I willl withold my comments as of now.It is not easy to find both beauty and brains together normally just as it is not easy to find jyotishis with mathematical abilities and astrological or astronomical abilities running together. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > The calculation- programming errors have plagued many major astro software packages starting from the MS-DOS days including the ones that used to claim that they have been endorsed by a very famous jyotishi-teacher. Worse -- if version 1.89 fixed an error, a new one cropped up in version 1.92! In defence of astrosoftware vs human computer between the ears, the former will make the same error each time and so is relatively easier to spot, fix and to move on. And most of us do not have the hour or two it used to take even when using proportional log tables and tables of ascendants etc all of which were approximate interpolations for the most part anyway. > > > > > > I think Mr. Jha is serious about what he is saying and I have seen him beginning to write about jyotish and analyses using his software and methodology. I think all should give him some breathing space instead of distracting him into other discussions or turning it into a software support discussion thread which often takes an ugly turn and then everyone gets upset. > > > > > > If all readers are patient and those who can get the software running and put to use, would eventually share their findings and so on. These testings take a lot of time, interest and energy and not everyone can be expected to invest those three. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > > > > Good humour.I always learn good English from your mails. > > > > > > > > The word you used " Jwaala " is right. It did cause more than that, and engulfed many readers of these forums. This is like a " Nivaala " which does not go down the throat. > > > > > > > > I for one have only academic interest in such claims, with already having many softwares on my 3 Computers, and a Laptop, have no interest or space for more. Just wanted to verify the claims, what they mean, whether there is some new discovery which will make us ordinary ( Astros like me and not your goodself) astrologers, predict better as projected and posed by the Creator.. > > > > > > > > I have seen enough in my short Life what you mentioned, free softwares offered at the drop of a hat, with strings attached after a certain period is over, to flush out money from the users ( This man may of course be genuine , I am not referring him)after a stipulated period, or to pay up for the updates without which the software would have no meaning.Most of these do not have proper calculated planetary positions. Recently I purchased a KP software for Rs.5000- which too shows wrong Sub Lord positions. > > > > > > > > I also prefer using Licensed full Paid up softwares purchased, rather than using Free stuff which does not go with my self respect, with the exception of J.Hora which of course is one of the worlds best, coming from a aspiritual entity, so have no qualms in using that as a supplemnetary software. > > > > > > > > But in this software(Mr. Vinay Jhas) since last 3 months due to the claims put up., I have only " academic interest " and not for using free stuff. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Nothing to do with Vinay Jha-Ji or this software that is named KUNDALI (sp?) which has been causing so much consternation and yet people are really trying so hard to use it and so on. It has aroused a lot of fire and heat and perhaps must be renamed: JWAALA! > > > > > > > > > > From what I have read and hear in books and many of these fora like this one, these days people pay good money to advisors to find their most appropriate name (numerology or namology!) or perfect place to place stuff in their homes (vastu or Feng-Shui) and while I have no direct experience with these means of success, personally or empirically (You PAY, I get to learn from your experience!) , maybe Bhaskar ji's advice, pragmatic as always is not to be glossed over! Since Jha-ji is a Monk but devoted to this PROJECT, perhaps an entrepreneur should step-in and hopefully one who is pure of heart and intention. Or it would not work! Unfortunately it is the entrepreneur that gets hurt in a worldly sense from what I have seen in the past, not the channel/protal or the monk! > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I said too much or irritated anyone, which I never meant to intentionally. .. > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 RR ji, OK. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Monday, April 20, 2009 10:39:59 AM A TEST... Vinayji, Forget all that that had been flung at you over the months and years! Please predict the future for this nativity for the next five years. January 26, 1987 17h 43min (5:43 PM) Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 97 degrees -WEST- 09 minutes 49 degrees -NORTH - 52 minutes What do you see? Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > Sunil ji is making wrong statements in my name (not deliberately perhaps, but due to lack of interest in knowing facts) . I never said Kundalee software is the ONLY proof of Suryasiddhanta , because Kundalee is not for mundane astrology. The best proof of Suryasiddhanta is mundane astrology, because there we have many raashis of difference between Saurapakshiya and Drikpakshiya (physical planets') samkraanti timings , while in individual horoscopy the difference is only of half a degree which is not enough in many cases. For this purpose, I started a topic about mundane ) astrology (Yaamaala tantra) which was diverted by Sunil ji. > > Secondly, I never said anyone, including me, can make absolutely true predictions through any software in the world, including Kundalee. Making predictions requires a thorogh analysis of all aspects of charts of a native and sometimes the issues are so complex that no one knows which way to find the solution. Arjuna in MBh said that outcome is a function of Praarabdha and Purushaartha. Man is not a toy in the hand of Praarabdha and can change it by means of Purushaartha. Otherwise, there is no use of graha shaanti & c. Due to actions of present life, destiny undergoes changes which is not reflected in horoscope of birth-time. Moreover, influences of near relatives mould the outcome of horoscope which an astrologer cannot always take into account. Hence, horoscopes fail to give accurate predictions in all cases. > > My claim is limited to three points : (1) Vimshottari timing by means of Kundalee has matched with actual events in 100% cases tested so far, (2) divisionals are very accurate, and (3) varsha and maasa pravesha kundalis are highly reliable. > > There are other features too in Kundalee, eg Shyam Kansal ji reported in AIA that Kundali software makes most comprehensive use of Ashtakavarga among all horoscopic softwares he ever saw. Even this single feature would make Kundalee a thing to be used and not to be abused without testing. > > Thirdly, I never asked Sunil ji or anyone else not to test my software. Sunil ji is viewing this whole issue subjectively. > > -VJ > > ============ ==== ============ === > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > " sunil_bhattacharjy a " <sunil_bhattacharjy a > > Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:27:35 PM > Re: Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I have been contesting the Vinayji's claim about his interpretation of the non-physical locations of the grahas in the Suryasiddhanta and also his claim that this can be verified only through a trial of his Kundalee software. He also says that predictions through this software is will never fail and this appears to me to be in conflict with the theory of Karma as in that case everything will be proved to be predestined. Anyway once Rajji solves the downloading problem the members may not hesitate to download the Kundalee software and verify his two claims. But it is better that the findings are reported by those people whom Jhaji trusts.This is inspite of the fact that Jhaji is cesuring me for not trying his software. Once the software-download peroblem is over and if > my findings prove to be contrary to his claims I am afraid that he may say that my results are biased. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > Bhaskar > <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta > > Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:01 PM > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > I hear a sudden change in melody. > > Yes we must allow Shri Vinay ji to showcase what he has got in form of his software, which is why I always tried downloading it, and also supported him many a times when he encountered confrontations from many members. Justice must be given, whatever may be the core known or unknown intentions behind any project which is not our lookout or concern. > > About software being to the mark, and jyotish acumen running parallel, this may be be too early for anyone of us to vouch for.I am keeping abreast of mails sent to other Groups once in a while and know he has recently given replies to some members on JR, about which I willl withold my comments as of now.It is not easy to find both beauty and brains together normally just as it is not easy to find jyotishis with mathematical abilities and astrological or astronomical abilities running together. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > The calculation- programming errors have plagued many major astro software packages starting from the MS-DOS days including the ones that used to claim that they have been endorsed by a very famous jyotishi-teacher. Worse -- if version 1.89 fixed an error, a new one cropped up in version 1.92! In defence of astrosoftware vs human computer between the ears, the former will make the same error each time and so is relatively easier to spot, fix and to move on. And most of us do not have the hour or two it used to take even when using proportional log tables and tables of ascendants etc all of which were approximate interpolations for the most part anyway. > > > > > > I think Mr. Jha is serious about what he is saying and I have seen him beginning to write about jyotish and analyses using his software and methodology. I think all should give him some breathing space instead of distracting him into other discussions or turning it into a software support discussion thread which often takes an ugly turn and then everyone gets upset. > > > > > > If all readers are patient and those who can get the software running and put to use, would eventually share their findings and so on. These testings take a lot of time, interest and energy and not everyone can be expected to invest those three. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > > > > Good humour.I always learn good English from your mails. > > > > > > > > The word you used " Jwaala " is right. It did cause more than that, and engulfed many readers of these forums. This is like a " Nivaala " which does not go down the throat. > > > > > > > > I for one have only academic interest in such claims, with already having many softwares on my 3 Computers, and a Laptop, have no interest or space for more. Just wanted to verify the claims, what they mean, whether there is some new discovery which will make us ordinary ( Astros like me and not your goodself) astrologers, predict better as projected and posed by the Creator.. > > > > > > > > I have seen enough in my short Life what you mentioned, free softwares offered at the drop of a hat, with strings attached after a certain period is over, to flush out money from the users ( This man may of course be genuine , I am not referring him)after a stipulated period, or to pay up for the updates without which the software would have no meaning.Most of these do not have proper calculated planetary positions. Recently I purchased a KP software for Rs.5000- which too shows wrong Sub Lord positions. > > > > > > > > I also prefer using Licensed full Paid up softwares purchased, rather than using Free stuff which does not go with my self respect, with the exception of J.Hora which of course is one of the worlds best, coming from a aspiritual entity, so have no qualms in using that as a supplemnetary software. > > > > > > > > But in this software(Mr. Vinay Jhas) since last 3 months due to the claims put up., I have only " academic interest " and not for using free stuff. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Nothing to do with Vinay Jha-Ji or this software that is named KUNDALI (sp?) which has been causing so much consternation and yet people are really trying so hard to use it and so on. It has aroused a lot of fire and heat and perhaps must be renamed: JWAALA! > > > > > > > > > > From what I have read and hear in books and many of these fora like this one, these days people pay good money to advisors to find their most appropriate name (numerology or namology!) or perfect place to place stuff in their homes (vastu or Feng-Shui) and while I have no direct experience with these means of success, personally or empirically (You PAY, I get to learn from your experience!) , maybe Bhaskar ji's advice, pragmatic as always is not to be glossed over! Since Jha-ji is a Monk but devoted to this PROJECT, perhaps an entrepreneur should step-in and hopefully one who is pure of heart and intention. Or it would not work! Unfortunately it is the entrepreneur that gets hurt in a worldly sense from what I have seen in the past, not the channel/protal or the monk! > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I said too much or irritated anyone, which I never meant to intentionally. .. > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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