Dating the Suryasiddhaanta : Downloading Kundalee

April 18, 2009

To All :

Kundalee software has three files :

Filename Size Location

1) Phalit.CAB : 5.7 MB : http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

<http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

2) setup.exe : 2.2 MB : http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

<http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

3) SETUP.LST : 6 KB :

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html

<http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html>

The second file has been named setup.jha, because *.exe files often

invite viruses, hence after downloading setup.jha should be renamed to

setup.exe . After downloading, double click setup.exe , and automatic

installation will take place, which will may fail if there is any virus

on your computer or if downloading was interrupted by broken internet

connections.

.... ...

Causes Behind Earlier Problems in Downloading :

Developers often offer mirror sites for offering alternative sources for

downloading, due to problems of server overload & c. It is not a new

problem peculiar to my software. I do not have a dedicated server for my

software. I tried to bring in some enterpreneurs for distributing this

software, but they wanted to sell it at prices of Rs 2000 - 4000, which

I rejected. But the new site is not posing overload problems at all.

Phalit.CAB and setup.exe lies at http://www.datafilehost.com

<http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> site which is a

very busy server and creates problems with larger files. Initially,

Phalit.CAB had a size of 23 MB which could not be easily downloaded by

nearly 35% users. Hence, I downsized it to 7 MB, but some users still

faced problems. Now, I have downsuzed this file further to 5.73 MB and

put it on a less busy server, where no one has complained of download

failure, even Bhaskar ji reports he downloaded this larger file. He

failed to download the smallest file SETUP.LST because he tried at

http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

which offers only view mode for *.LST files. It is clearly mentioned

at that page : " Download the third file SETUP.LST by ClickingHere

<http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> " (ie,

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html

<http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> ).

.... ...

As I do not sell my software, I am not going to lose anything by the

comments by some persons who failed to download Kundalee software due to

reasons not known to me. Bhaskar ji initially failed because my software

was at a busy server. After I opened another less busy site, Bhaskar ji

succeeded in downloading the larger two files , but instead of

downloading the smaller file from proper location indicated clearly in

bigger fonts, he tried to download SETUP.LST from a link which can

offer only online reading and not downloading. And he concludes there is

defect in the software ! It is another matter such a verdict is not

based upon astrological inaccuracy of the software. He could have asked

me to send SETUP.LST through email attachment.

-VJ

=============== =====================

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Nothing to do with Vinay Jha-Ji or this software that is named KUNDALI

(sp?) which has been causing so much consternation and yet people are

really trying so hard to use it and so on. It has aroused a lot of fire

and heat and perhaps must be renamed: JWAALA!

>

> From what I have read and hear in books and many of these fora like

this one, these days people pay good money to advisors to find their

most appropriate name (numerology or namology!) or perfect place to

place stuff in their homes (vastu or Feng-Shui) and while I have no

direct experience with these means of success, personally or empirically

(You PAY, I get to learn from your experience!), maybe Bhaskar ji's

advice, pragmatic as always is not to be glossed over! Since Jha-ji is a

Monk but devoted to this PROJECT, perhaps an entrepreneur should step-in

and hopefully one who is pure of heart and intention. Or it would not

work! Unfortunately it is the entrepreneur that gets hurt in a worldly

sense from what I have seen in the past, not the channel/protal or the

monk!

>

> My apologies if I said too much or irritated anyone, which I never

meant to intentionally...

>

> rohiniranjan

>

> , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> >

> > That was the 3rd time I spent half an hour to one hour in trying to

> > download your software, which unfortunately is unable to load on any

of

> > my computers. 2 Files out of 3 I was able to download, but the 3rd

one

> > " SETUP.LST " I was not able to, as a Page opens but nothing

downloads.

> >

> > I do not have any further will or energy left to try once again, so

lets

> > leave this aside now.

> >

> > I would advice you to spend a few hundred rupees and go to smart

> > software Engineer who can help you out. We have already read that

few

> > members were able to download , but all of the mails in various

groups

> > by various members, suggest otherwise, so it would be better if you

get

> > this rectified once and for all.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > >

> > > 1) I always use Bhava Chalit chart for predictions, and use the

Raashi

> > > Chart only for checking the aspects.

> > >

> > > 2) I use Vimsottari for timing events.

> > >

> > > 3) Of couse one must not try to look for what is not there, rather

be

> > > appreciable of the fact of whatever is offered and make

suggestions if

> > > they are asked for.

> > >

> > > I will try to download it from the new site.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar Ji,

> > > > AKK & co have no real interest in either true history or

astrology,

> > > their are wasting our time with their anti-astrological agenda.

> > > >

> > > > My earlier server is very busy, and many users had to face

problem

> > > during downloads due to server overloads.

> > > >

> > > > Following is the location of new site for downloading Kundalee

> > > software :

> > > >

> > > > http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

> > > >

> > > > The best way way to get benefit of this software is to use

> > > bhaavachalita for predictions instead of the raashi chart, and use

> > > Vimshottari for timing of events, followed in importance by

> > Varshaphala.

> > > Ashtakavarga is only for research purposes, it may be avoided for

> > normal

> > > works. Divisionals of Kundalee will differ from other softwares,

but

> > > will prove to be accurate astrologically.

> > > >

> > > > Please try to get what Kundalee offers , and do not try to find

what

> > > it does not offer. For example, I have still not added modules for

> > yogas

> > > & c.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:22:38 PM

> > > > Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > > >

> > > > I like your recent mails, though may not agree to the total

content,

> > > > which minor disagreements does not matter.

> > > >

> > > > You are right about " bickering about date of Surya siddhanta " .

> > > >

> > > > You are also right about " Our whole history has been

> > > > > written with an alien point of view, who " discovered " India

> > > according

> > > > to > their colonial and cultural interests. "

> > > >

> > > > What " matters " is the " crux " of the " matter " - APPLICATION.

> > > >

> > > > There is no usefullness in trying to teach skeptics and non

> > believers

> > > > like AKK who have only one agenda in mind " To criticise " . There

is

> > > also

> > > > no palpable sense in trying to find out ancient dates and

origins of

> > a

> > > > subject matter which finding may not be considered authentic

even if

> > > one

> > > > finds what he wishes to find.

> > > >

> > > > I wholeheartedly agree to this approach of " Application " of

> > available

> > > > data and knowledge to the utilisation of the astronomers or

> > > astrologers

> > > > who may be at advantage with the knowledge of how to apply the

> > > > " knowledge of application " rather than theoretical confirmation

or

> > > > condemning which is now become the luxury of those who have

enough

> > > time

> > > > on hand . This has obviously no practical value to any.

> > > >

> > > > Let me know when I will find it easier to download your Software

> > since

> > > I

> > > > have done it twice on two seperate occasions and was

unsuccessful

> > both

> > > > times. Till the time I am able to do the same, and verify the

claims

> > > > put forth by You, I will reserve my comments , being a man of

> > justice.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " vinayjhaa16 "

<vinayjhaa16@

> > > ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To All:

> > > > >

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta' s first chapter says it was given by Lord

Surya to

> > > Maya

> > > > > the Asura after the latter performed a great deal of tapasyaa,

at

> > > the

> > > > > fag end of previous Satyuga, which was slightly before 2165109

> > years

> > > > > from now (add 52 years for excess of siddhantic year over

> > Julioan).

> > > > > According to epics and Puranas, Maya is said to be founder of

> > > > Jyotisha,

> > > > > vaastu shaastra, town planning, architecture, temple building,

> > etc.

> > > > > Without Maya, Veda would have been blind, because sages

eulogized

> > > > > Jyotisha as the eye of Veda. Hence, it is wrong to call Maya a

> > > > > mlechchha. Some asuras were mlechchhas, but the ancestors of

all

> > > > > mlechchhas and asuras were Aryans, if we believe Puranas.

Puranas

> > > say

> > > > > that mlechchhas were expelled from India due to their bad

conduct.

> > > In

> > > > > koine Greek, the very word Europa etymologically meant

> > " easterlies "

> > > ,

> > > > > and 'European' would thus mean " those who came from the East " .

> > > > >

> > > > > To moderners, Suryasiddhanta in Satyuga sounds absurd. They

must

> > > find

> > > > > its date somewhere in the historical period before Varaha

Mihira

> > who

> > > > > eulogized Suryasiddhanta as being most clear ( " spashta " , cf.

> > > > > Panchsiddhaantikaa edited by Thibaut & Sudhakar Dvivedi) of

all

> > > > > siddhantas, and even before Aryabhatta who is said to have

written

> > a

> > > > > commentary on Suryasiddhanta which is not available. This

modern

> > > view

> > > > is

> > > > > guided by a world view which is the dominant view of ruling

elite

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > world today.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to Burgess, Whitney had a firm opinion that Indians

were

> > > > > incapable of inventing anything, while Burgess maintained that

> > > Indian

> > > > > astronomy was more ancient than Greek. But when it came to

> > > > conclusions,

> > > > > Burgess had no difference with Whitney. Leave aside these

> > > > ideosyncratic

> > > > > or culturally biased views, let us talk of facts. How can we

fix

> > the

> > > > > date of composition of Suryasiddhanta ???

> > > > >

> > > > > Ujjain, 3 March : Comparison of Saayana Planets :

> > > > > Suryasiddhantic( Saur) and Physical (Drik)

> > > > >

> > > > > AD

> > > > >

> > > > > Method

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > >

> > > > > 382

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 343:33:59

> > > > >

> > > > > 001:39:24

> > > > >

> > > > > 304:06:20

> > > > >

> > > > > 320:29:20

> > > > >

> > > > > 238:48:12

> > > > >

> > > > > 310:08:09

> > > > >

> > > > > 050:58:12

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 344:09:44

> > > > >

> > > > > 002:18:18

> > > > >

> > > > > 306:00:04

> > > > >

> > > > > 317:26:27

> > > > >

> > > > > 236:14:05

> > > > >

> > > > > 307:10:43

> > > > >

> > > > > 058:18:51

> > > > >

> > > > > 482

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 344:18:44

> > > > >

> > > > > 318:25:11

> > > > >

> > > > > 347:52:07

> > > > >

> > > > > 319:15:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 025:16:49

> > > > >

> > > > > 027:27:47

> > > > >

> > > > > 209:22:01

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 344:47:48

> > > > >

> > > > > 319:25:52

> > > > >

> > > > > 350:42:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 324:10:33

> > > > >

> > > > > 021:03:18

> > > > >

> > > > > 025:40:02

> > > > >

> > > > > 214:40:16

> > > > >

> > > > > 582

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 345:03:34

> > > > >

> > > > > 253:57:54

> > > > >

> > > > > 029:03:14

> > > > >

> > > > > 335:51:57

> > > > >

> > > > > 188:46:46

> > > > >

> > > > > 325:47:33

> > > > >

> > > > > 337:17:06

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 345:25:49

> > > > >

> > > > > 258:28:12

> > > > >

> > > > > 031:42:36

> > > > >

> > > > > 343:39:19

> > > > >

> > > > > 185:05:00

> > > > >

> > > > > 322:54:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 342:03:42

> > > > >

> > > > > 682

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 345:48:00

> > > > >

> > > > > 215:27:37

> > > > >

> > > > > 073:50:27

> > > > >

> > > > > 358:38:34

> > > > >

> > > > > 342:03:44

> > > > >

> > > > > 028:07:06

> > > > >

> > > > > 128:39:19

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 346:03:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 214:34:27

> > > > >

> > > > > 076:53:20

> > > > >

> > > > > 000:13:16

> > > > >

> > > > > 338:05:47

> > > > >

> > > > > 031:01:54

> > > > >

> > > > > 138:56:21

> > > > >

> > > > > 782

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 346:33:23

> > > > >

> > > > > 152:21:34

> > > > >

> > > > > 157:55:10

> > > > >

> > > > > 357:25:17

> > > > >

> > > > > 136:30:39

> > > > >

> > > > > 342:28:19

> > > > >

> > > > > 272:56:05

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 346:41:49

> > > > >

> > > > > 154:02:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 165:14:47

> > > > >

> > > > > 350:55:52

> > > > >

> > > > > 132:22:37

> > > > >

> > > > > 340:03:29

> > > > >

> > > > > 276:49:23

> > > > >

> > > > > 882

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 347:18:01

> > > > >

> > > > > 109:07:50

> > > > >

> > > > > 260:33:02

> > > > >

> > > > > 322:29:25

> > > > >

> > > > > 298:43:55

> > > > >

> > > > > 323:44:48

> > > > >

> > > > > 044:58:58

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 347:19:46

> > > > >

> > > > > 107:58:29

> > > > >

> > > > > 261:48:04

> > > > >

> > > > > 320:02:06

> > > > >

> > > > > 295:40:57

> > > > >

> > > > > 335:09:06

> > > > >

> > > > > 051:04:16

> > > > >

> > > > > 982

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 348:02:48

> > > > >

> > > > > 052:09:32

> > > > >

> > > > > 311:52:48

> > > > >

> > > > > 324:01:45

> > > > >

> > > > > 085:44:25

> > > > >

> > > > > 359:21:07

> > > > >

> > > > > 205:23:02

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 347:57:41

> > > > >

> > > > > 052:17:24

> > > > >

> > > > > 312:05:43

> > > > >

> > > > > 328:07:58

> > > > >

> > > > > 081:53:55

> > > > >

> > > > > 357:30:27

> > > > >

> > > > > 209:48:18

> > > > >

> > > > > 1082

> > > > >

> > > > > Drik

> > > > >

> > > > > 348:48:22

> > > > >

> > > > > 000:17:10

> > > > >

> > > > > 355:34:55

> > > > >

> > > > > 341:21:32

> > > > >

> > > > > 253:17:16

> > > > >

> > > > > 302:24:10

> > > > >

> > > > > 335:41:00

> > > > >

> > > > > Saur

> > > > >

> > > > > 348:35:35

> > > > >

> > > > > 000:24:57

> > > > >

> > > > > 356:47:17

> > > > >

> > > > > 347:45:54

> > > > >

> > > > > 251:39:09

> > > > >

> > > > > 301:33:34

> > > > >

> > > > > 337:05:04

> > > > >

> > > > > The most obvious way is to check planetary positions. If we

decide

> > > > that

> > > > > Jupiter's position, for instance, should be the reference for

> > which

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta' s dating ought to be calculated in comparison

to

> > the

> > > > > value given by physical astronomy, Saturn will show

disagreements

> > > with

> > > > > physical astronomy by wide margins. If Saturn is fixed, some

other

> > > > > planet will show intolerable divergences. I have devoted a

whole

> > > > chapter

> > > > > on this problem in my Hindi book on Suryasiddhanta which was

> > > published

> > > > > in 2005 and went out of print in 2006. Table on left hand side

> > (from

> > > > my

> > > > > book) shows the position of tropical planets at intervals of

100

> > > years

> > > > > during the entire epoch which was considered to be the period

of

> > > > > composition of Suryasiddha by scholars like Benteley or

Burgess.

> > > Lower

> > > > > table shows the difference between Suryasiddhantic true

planets

> > from

> > > > > physical planets of modern astronomy for the period which all

> > > > > Westernerers consider to be period of composition of

> > Suryasiddhanta.

> > > > >

> > > > > Comparison of Suryasiddhantic and Physical (Drik) Planets

(seconds

> > > of

> > > > > arc)

> > > > >

> > > > > AD

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > >

> > > > > 382

> > > > >

> > > > > -2145

> > > > >

> > > > > - 2334

> > > > >

> > > > > - 6824

> > > > >

> > > > > +10973

> > > > >

> > > > > + 9247

> > > > >

> > > > > +10646

> > > > >

> > > > > -26439

> > > > >

> > > > > 482

> > > > >

> > > > > -1744

> > > > >

> > > > > - 3641

> > > > >

> > > > > -10243

> > > > >

> > > > > -17683

> > > > >

> > > > > +15211

> > > > >

> > > > > + 6465

> > > > >

> > > > > -19095

> > > > >

> > > > > 582

> > > > >

> > > > > -1335

> > > > >

> > > > > -16218

> > > > >

> > > > > - 9562

> > > > >

> > > > > -28042

> > > > >

> > > > > +13306

> > > > >

> > > > > +10363

> > > > >

> > > > > -17196

> > > > >

> > > > > 682

> > > > >

> > > > > - 950

> > > > >

> > > > > + 3190

> > > > >

> > > > > -10973

> > > > >

> > > > > - 5682

> > > > >

> > > > > -21723

> > > > >

> > > > > -10488

> > > > >

> > > > > -37022

> > > > >

> > > > > 782

> > > > >

> > > > > - 506

> > > > >

> > > > > - 6076

> > > > >

> > > > > -26377

> > > > >

> > > > > +23365

> > > > >

> > > > > +14882

> > > > >

> > > > > + 8690

> > > > >

> > > > > -13998

> > > > >

> > > > > 882

> > > > >

> > > > > - 105

> > > > >

> > > > > + 4161

> > > > >

> > > > > - 4502

> > > > >

> > > > > + 8839

> > > > >

> > > > > +10978

> > > > >

> > > > > -41058

> > > > >

> > > > > -21918

> > > > >

> > > > > 982

> > > > >

> > > > > + 307

> > > > >

> > > > > - 472

> > > > >

> > > > > - 775

> > > > >

> > > > > -14773

> > > > >

> > > > > +13830

> > > > >

> > > > > + 6640

> > > > >

> > > > > -15916

> > > > >

> > > > > 1082

> > > > >

> > > > > + 767

> > > > >

> > > > > - 467

> > > > >

> > > > > - 4342

> > > > >

> > > > > -23062

> > > > >

> > > > > + 5887

> > > > >

> > > > > + 3036

> > > > >

> > > > > - 5044

> > > > >

> > > > > The conclusion one can deduce from such a comparison is :

there is

> > > no

> > > > > period in whole history (I've checked other periods too, which

> > > cannot

> > > > be

> > > > > shown here due to space) for which Suryasiddhantic planetary

> > > positions

> > > > > can be brought to be within tolerable margins with respect to

the

> > > > > planetary positions given by physical astronomy. Some people

are

> > > > adamant

> > > > > on taking Suryasiddhantic planets as physical bodies. If this

be

> > > > > accepted, Suryasiddhanta must have a date for which ALL its

> > planets,

> > > > > tithis, yogas, karanas, eclipses, etc ought to conform to the

> > > findings

> > > > > of physical astronomy within a margin of tolerable limits, say

1

> > > > degree

> > > > > (supposing ancient Indians could not make more precise

> > observations)

> > > .

> > > > > What is that date ? Please show some date for which

> > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > planets could be made to conform to ALL physical planets. We

will

> > > > fail,

> > > > > utterly. That is why Bentely took a resort to devious means to

get

> > a

> > > > > date of 1091 AD, which is against historical evidences, as

even

> > > Varaha

> > > > > Mihira is known to be acquainted with Suryasiddhanta and

eulogised

> > > it

> > > > as

> > > > > the best. Even Burgess had to say, in his commentary on

> > > Suryasiddhanta

> > > > :

> > > > > " planetary elements, which, when tested by the errors of

position,

> > > in

> > > > > the manner already explained, do not appear to have been

> > constructed

> > > > so

> > > > > as to give the true sidereal position at any assignable

epoch " .

> > > > >

> > > > > As Varaha Mihira eulogized Suryasiddhanta as the clearest of

all

> > > > > siddhantas, why we should not check whether Suryasiddhantic

> > planets

> > > > > could be made to conform to physical planets at the time of

Varaha

> > > > > Mihira ? If we take Varaha Mihira's date as between 505-550

AD,

> > > above

> > > > > tables show thT Suryasiddhantic planets had differences

ranging

> > from

> > > > > -28042 " to +15211 " , ie, from -4.2 to 7.8 degrees during the

> > century

> > > > > from 482 to 582 AD (greater differences were observed in

> > intervening

> > > > > years) !! Was Varaha Mihira so dull as to neglect such huge

> > > > differences

> > > > > ?? Above comparison is tropical. But sidereal comparison will

> > yield

> > > > > similar results, with greater differences due to +2:59':22 "

> > > difference

> > > > > in ayanamsha in 499 AD. Saur ayanamsha zero in 499 AD, Drik

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > was zero in 285 AD, hence Drig ayanamsha was +3 degrees ahead

of

> > > Saur

> > > > > ayanamsha in 499 AD which was the zero year for which

Aryabhatiya

> > > was

> > > > > based. Sun's table shows a clear order which leads us to

suspect

> > > that

> > > > in

> > > > > 908 AD, tropical values of Saur and Drik Sun were same. If

> > nirayana

> > > > > computations are made, the year of zero difference in Sun will

be

> > > 782

> > > > > AD. . Burgess gave a wrong value at 250 AD. But only Sun

cannot be

> > a

> > > > > criteria. If mean positions of all planets are compared, 2000

AD

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > year of minimum difference, and such a date arrives after

every

> > > 42000

> > > > > years. Barring Sun, other planets do not give any result at

all,

> > due

> > > > to

> > > > > undulating values of differences, which even Burgess noted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Burgess tried hard to understand Suryasiddhanta, but he could

get

> > > only

> > > > > those pandits who were greedy of mone, and therefore could not

get

> > > the

> > > > > help of those pandits who did not want to divulge their

secrets to

> > a

> > > > > Christian priest. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that all its

secrets

> > > > must

> > > > > not be given to all and sundry (in the end of two chapters).

Most

> > > > > serious mistake of Burgess was his inability to understand the

> > > > > Suryasiddhantic tradition of beeja-samskaara. His secong error

was

> > a

> > > > > wrong method of making true planets out of mean planets, which

is

> > > > > against laws of mathematics as well as against traditional

> > > > > Suryasiddhatic (Makaranda) tables which Burgess knew well but

> > could

> > > > not

> > > > > find their formulae and therefore published a wrong method.

There

> > > are

> > > > a

> > > > > lot of other mistakes in his commentary too, which have not

been

> > > > removed

> > > > > by later commentators, due to canonical prohibition on

publishing

> > > all

> > > > > the secrets of Suryasiddhata.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point is about Samanta Chandrashekhara. He changed

values

> > of

> > > > > Suryasiddhantic constants in order to get modern astronomical

> > > > positions

> > > > > of planets. Had he succeeded, why some panchanga makers are

not

> > > making

> > > > > panchangas on his lines ? The fact is thet whatever changes we

> > make

> > > in

> > > > > Suryasiddhantic constants, we cannot make the planetary

positions

> > > > > conform to physical planets due to fundamental theoretical

> > > > differences.

> > > > > For instance, the four mandaphala and shighraphala samskaaras

can

> > > > never

> > > > > fit with modern astronomy. Mars can produce a maximum of

22:17 "

> > > merely

> > > > > on account of its equation of centre. Another instance is

> > planetary

> > > > > distances : Suryasiddhantic Sun is at a distance of 1/ 27.2 AU

!!

> > > But

> > > > > Moon's distance is same as given by modern astronomy !! How

can

> > such

> > > a

> > > > > system fit with physical astronomy ?? Hence, if one wants the

> > > > positions

> > > > > of physical astronomy, he/she will have t0 discard

Suryasiddhanta

> > > > > completely. It cannot be reformed at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > But it is wrong to call it outdated, because if Suryasiddhanta

is

> > > > wrong

> > > > > today, it was more wrong in any period of the past. Nirayana

mean

> > > > values

> > > > > of Suryasiddhantic planetary positions have minimum " errors "

for

> > > ~2000

> > > > > AD !! Does it mean Suryasiddhanta was composed for 2000 AD ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Comparison with physical astronomy gives impossible

conclusions

> > > which

> > > > > cannot be resolved. If such a method is accepted, we must

conclude

> > > > that

> > > > > all ancient scholars were idiots who could not observe errors

of

> > > over

> > > > 10

> > > > > degrees in planetary positions for long durations.

> > > > >

> > > > > But ancient evidence is opposite : Suryasiddhanta was

eulogized as

> > > the

> > > > > best treatise for astrology, and those who observed physical

stars

> > > and

> > > > > planets for astrological purposes were despised as

> > > nakshatra-soochakas

> > > > > !! This is the very meaning of " soochaka " . All ancient texts

say

> > > that

> > > > > astrological planets are divinities. And divinities can never

be

> > > seen

> > > > > sensorily. The only proof of Suryasiddhana is an honest and

> > sincere

> > > > > ASTROLOGICAL enquiry. Many members are already downloading

> > Kundalee

> > > > > software to test the continuing astrological validity of

> > > > Suryasiddhanta.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why take a single criteria, why not check all the planets ??

Why

> > ??

> > > > The

> > > > > reason is simple. A single criteria is selected according to

> > dating

> > > > > which fits in Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT). Other facts need to

be

> > > > > neglected, in order to save this AIT. Vedanga Jyotisha

mentioned

> > > > Maagha

> > > > > Shukla Pratipadaa as one of the conditions of uttarayana at

the

> > > start

> > > > of

> > > > > Dhanishthaa, which Colebrooke and all his " honest " followers

> > > > > deliberately neglected to mention, because they had to prove a

> > date

> > > > not

> > > > > before 1500 BC. Similarly, Varaha Mihira's verse-9 in

> > > > > Brihaspati-chaaraad hyaaya of Brihad-samhitaa is never

analyzed

> > for

> > > > > dating a concurreence when Prabhava samvatsara concurred with

> > > > Brihaspati

> > > > > at the start of Dhanishthaa in Maagha month , because any

sincere

> > > > effort

> > > > > of finding such concurrences push the dates of Indian history

into

> > > > > remote prehistory going back to hundreds of thousands of

years.

> > > Hence,

> > > > > facts are neglected or distorted, and fictions are propounded

as

> > > > > theories. As I said above, this modern view is guided by a

world

> > > view

> > > > > which is the dominant view of ruling elite in the world today.

But

> > > is

> > > > > this elite immortal ? How long truth about Vedas and

Vedaangas,

> > > > > including Suryasiddhanta will be suppressewd or neglected ?

The

> > real

> > > > > Vedaanga is Suryasiddhanta and books of rishis like Parashara

and

> > > > > Jaimini ; Mahatma Lagadha's books were not for astrologers,

they

> > > were

> > > > > for Vaidikas who performed sacrifices. Our whole history has

been

> > > > > written with an alien point of view, who " discovered " India

> > > according

> > > > to

> > > > > their colonial and cultural interests.

> > > > >

> > > > > Instead of bickering about the date of Suryasiddhanta, if we

sit

> > > down

> > > > to

> > > > > test the astrological validity of Suryasiddhanta by means of

> > freely

> > > > > available Kundalee software, we will have to accept that

> > > > Suryasiddhanta

> > > > > is not a book of physical astronomy at all. It is actually the

> > > > > siddhantic bedrock of Vedic Astrology without which the

> > mathematical

> > > > > basis of Tri-skandha Jyotisha will lose its fundamental

skandha.

> > If

> > > we

> > > > > do not want to learn Suryasiddhanta and abuse it,

Suryasiddhanta

> > > will

> > > > > not teach us automatically. Jyotisha, besides human destiny,

is

> > not

> > > > > guided by physical planets, but by superconscious deities who

> > cannot

> > > > be

> > > > > propitiated by sapphire or diamond if our hearts are not pure.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

April 18, 2009

Dear Vinayji --

You know that I respect and admire you and wish you well.

Modern reality simply is that people are spoilt rotten on internet!

We all demand more from freeware, even more from shareware (the kind that dies

after the 30th run if one has not sent in moolah via paypal or whatever!) AND

ABSOLUTELY NO resistance offered to software that costs us hundreds of dollars

(do the math for other currencies!). It has to do with a quirk in human

psychology which dictates the adage: You get what you pay for!

Sometimes it works in reverse as I have been seeing has been the case with your

software!

Maybe you should start charging for *support*!

Or just flood the cyberspace with illustrations and writings ;-)

Yours in Jyotish --

Rohiniranjan

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All :

>

> Kundalee software has three files :

>

> Filename Size Location

> 1) Phalit.CAB : 5.7 MB : http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

> <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

> 2) setup.exe : 2.2 MB : http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

> <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

> 3) SETUP.LST : 6 KB :

> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html

> <http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html>

>

> The second file has been named setup.jha, because *.exe files often

> invite viruses, hence after downloading setup.jha should be renamed to

> setup.exe . After downloading, double click setup.exe , and automatic

> installation will take place, which will may fail if there is any virus

> on your computer or if downloading was interrupted by broken internet

> connections.

> ... ...

> Causes Behind Earlier Problems in Downloading :

>

> Developers often offer mirror sites for offering alternative sources for

> downloading, due to problems of server overload & c. It is not a new

> problem peculiar to my software. I do not have a dedicated server for my

> software. I tried to bring in some enterpreneurs for distributing this

> software, but they wanted to sell it at prices of Rs 2000 - 4000, which

> I rejected. But the new site is not posing overload problems at all.

>

> Phalit.CAB and setup.exe lies at http://www.datafilehost.com

> <http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> site which is a

> very busy server and creates problems with larger files. Initially,

> Phalit.CAB had a size of 23 MB which could not be easily downloaded by

> nearly 35% users. Hence, I downsized it to 7 MB, but some users still

> faced problems. Now, I have downsuzed this file further to 5.73 MB and

> put it on a less busy server, where no one has complained of download

> failure, even Bhaskar ji reports he downloaded this larger file. He

> failed to download the smallest file SETUP.LST because he tried at

> http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start>

> which offers only view mode for *.LST files. It is clearly mentioned

> at that page : " Download the third file SETUP.LST by ClickingHere

> <http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> " (ie,

> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html

> <http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e9ded56.html> ).

> ... ...

> As I do not sell my software, I am not going to lose anything by the

> comments by some persons who failed to download Kundalee software due to

> reasons not known to me. Bhaskar ji initially failed because my software

> was at a busy server. After I opened another less busy site, Bhaskar ji

> succeeded in downloading the larger two files , but instead of

> downloading the smaller file from proper location indicated clearly in

> bigger fonts, he tried to download SETUP.LST from a link which can

> offer only online reading and not downloading. And he concludes there is

> defect in the software ! It is another matter such a verdict is not

> based upon astrological inaccuracy of the software. He could have asked

> me to send SETUP.LST through email attachment.

>

> -VJ

> =============== =====================

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Nothing to do with Vinay Jha-Ji or this software that is named KUNDALI

> (sp?) which has been causing so much consternation and yet people are

> really trying so hard to use it and so on. It has aroused a lot of fire

> and heat and perhaps must be renamed: JWAALA!

> >

> > From what I have read and hear in books and many of these fora like

> this one, these days people pay good money to advisors to find their

> most appropriate name (numerology or namology!) or perfect place to

> place stuff in their homes (vastu or Feng-Shui) and while I have no

> direct experience with these means of success, personally or empirically

> (You PAY, I get to learn from your experience!), maybe Bhaskar ji's

> advice, pragmatic as always is not to be glossed over! Since Jha-ji is a

> Monk but devoted to this PROJECT, perhaps an entrepreneur should step-in

> and hopefully one who is pure of heart and intention. Or it would not

> work! Unfortunately it is the entrepreneur that gets hurt in a worldly

> sense from what I have seen in the past, not the channel/protal or the

> monk!

> >

> > My apologies if I said too much or irritated anyone, which I never

> meant to intentionally...

> >

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > >

> > > That was the 3rd time I spent half an hour to one hour in trying to

> > > download your software, which unfortunately is unable to load on any

> of

> > > my computers. 2 Files out of 3 I was able to download, but the 3rd

> one

> > > " SETUP.LST " I was not able to, as a Page opens but nothing

> downloads.

> > >

> > > I do not have any further will or energy left to try once again, so

> lets

> > > leave this aside now.

> > >

> > > I would advice you to spend a few hundred rupees and go to smart

> > > software Engineer who can help you out. We have already read that

> few

> > > members were able to download , but all of the mails in various

> groups

> > > by various members, suggest otherwise, so it would be better if you

> get

> > > this rectified once and for all.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > > >

> > > > 1) I always use Bhava Chalit chart for predictions, and use the

> Raashi

> > > > Chart only for checking the aspects.

> > > >

> > > > 2) I use Vimsottari for timing events.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Of couse one must not try to look for what is not there, rather

> be

> > > > appreciable of the fact of whatever is offered and make

> suggestions if

> > > > they are asked for.

> > > >

> > > > I will try to download it from the new site.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhaskar Ji,

> > > > > AKK & co have no real interest in either true history or

> astrology,

> > > > their are wasting our time with their anti-astrological agenda.

> > > > >

> > > > > My earlier server is very busy, and many users had to face

> problem

> > > > during downloads due to server overloads.

> > > > >

> > > > > Following is the location of new site for downloading Kundalee

> > > > software :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://kundalee.wikidot.com/start

> > > > >

> > > > > The best way way to get benefit of this software is to use

> > > > bhaavachalita for predictions instead of the raashi chart, and use

> > > > Vimshottari for timing of events, followed in importance by

> > > Varshaphala.

> > > > Ashtakavarga is only for research purposes, it may be avoided for

> > > normal

> > > > works. Divisionals of Kundalee will differ from other softwares,

> but

> > > > will prove to be accurate astrologically.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please try to get what Kundalee offers , and do not try to find

> what

> > > > it does not offer. For example, I have still not added modules for

> > > yogas

> > > > & c.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:22:38 PM

> > > > > Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I like your recent mails, though may not agree to the total

> content,

> > > > > which minor disagreements does not matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right about " bickering about date of Surya siddhanta " .

> > > > >

> > > > > You are also right about " Our whole history has been

> > > > > > written with an alien point of view, who " discovered " India

> > > > according

> > > > > to > their colonial and cultural interests. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What " matters " is the " crux " of the " matter " - APPLICATION.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no usefullness in trying to teach skeptics and non

> > > believers

> > > > > like AKK who have only one agenda in mind " To criticise " . There

> is

> > > > also

> > > > > no palpable sense in trying to find out ancient dates and

> origins of

> > > a

> > > > > subject matter which finding may not be considered authentic

> even if

> > > > one

> > > > > finds what he wishes to find.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wholeheartedly agree to this approach of " Application " of

> > > available

> > > > > data and knowledge to the utilisation of the astronomers or

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > who may be at advantage with the knowledge of how to apply the

> > > > > " knowledge of application " rather than theoretical confirmation

> or

> > > > > condemning which is now become the luxury of those who have

> enough

> > > > time

> > > > > on hand . This has obviously no practical value to any.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me know when I will find it easier to download your Software

> > > since

> > > > I

> > > > > have done it twice on two seperate occasions and was

> unsuccessful

> > > both

> > > > > times. Till the time I am able to do the same, and verify the

> claims

> > > > > put forth by You, I will reserve my comments , being a man of

> > > justice.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 "

> <vinayjhaa16@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta' s first chapter says it was given by Lord

> Surya to

> > > > Maya

> > > > > > the Asura after the latter performed a great deal of tapasyaa,

> at

> > > > the

> > > > > > fag end of previous Satyuga, which was slightly before 2165109

> > > years

> > > > > > from now (add 52 years for excess of siddhantic year over

> > > Julioan).

> > > > > > According to epics and Puranas, Maya is said to be founder of

> > > > > Jyotisha,

> > > > > > vaastu shaastra, town planning, architecture, temple building,

> > > etc.

> > > > > > Without Maya, Veda would have been blind, because sages

> eulogized

> > > > > > Jyotisha as the eye of Veda. Hence, it is wrong to call Maya a

> > > > > > mlechchha. Some asuras were mlechchhas, but the ancestors of

> all

> > > > > > mlechchhas and asuras were Aryans, if we believe Puranas.

> Puranas

> > > > say

> > > > > > that mlechchhas were expelled from India due to their bad

> conduct.

> > > > In

> > > > > > koine Greek, the very word Europa etymologically meant

> > > " easterlies "

> > > > ,

> > > > > > and 'European' would thus mean " those who came from the East " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To moderners, Suryasiddhanta in Satyuga sounds absurd. They

> must

> > > > find

> > > > > > its date somewhere in the historical period before Varaha

> Mihira

> > > who

> > > > > > eulogized Suryasiddhanta as being most clear ( " spashta " , cf.

> > > > > > Panchsiddhaantikaa edited by Thibaut & Sudhakar Dvivedi) of

> all

> > > > > > siddhantas, and even before Aryabhatta who is said to have

> written

> > > a

> > > > > > commentary on Suryasiddhanta which is not available. This

> modern

> > > > view

> > > > > is

> > > > > > guided by a world view which is the dominant view of ruling

> elite

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > world today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to Burgess, Whitney had a firm opinion that Indians

> were

> > > > > > incapable of inventing anything, while Burgess maintained that

> > > > Indian

> > > > > > astronomy was more ancient than Greek. But when it came to

> > > > > conclusions,

> > > > > > Burgess had no difference with Whitney. Leave aside these

> > > > > ideosyncratic

> > > > > > or culturally biased views, let us talk of facts. How can we

> fix

> > > the

> > > > > > date of composition of Suryasiddhanta ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ujjain, 3 March : Comparison of Saayana Planets :

> > > > > > Suryasiddhantic( Saur) and Physical (Drik)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Method

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 382

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 343:33:59

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 001:39:24

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 304:06:20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 320:29:20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 238:48:12

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 310:08:09

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 050:58:12

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 344:09:44

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 002:18:18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 306:00:04

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 317:26:27

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 236:14:05

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 307:10:43

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 058:18:51

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 482

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 344:18:44

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 318:25:11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 347:52:07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 319:15:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 025:16:49

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 027:27:47

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 209:22:01

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 344:47:48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 319:25:52

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 350:42:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 324:10:33

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 021:03:18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 025:40:02

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 214:40:16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 582

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 345:03:34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 253:57:54

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 029:03:14

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 335:51:57

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 188:46:46

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 325:47:33

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 337:17:06

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 345:25:49

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 258:28:12

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 031:42:36

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 343:39:19

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 185:05:00

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 322:54:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 342:03:42

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 682

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 345:48:00

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 215:27:37

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 073:50:27

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 358:38:34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 342:03:44

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 028:07:06

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 128:39:19

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 346:03:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 214:34:27

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 076:53:20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 000:13:16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 338:05:47

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 031:01:54

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 138:56:21

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 782

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 346:33:23

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 152:21:34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 157:55:10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 357:25:17

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 136:30:39

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 342:28:19

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 272:56:05

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 346:41:49

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 154:02:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 165:14:47

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 350:55:52

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 132:22:37

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 340:03:29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 276:49:23

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 882

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 347:18:01

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 109:07:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 260:33:02

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 322:29:25

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 298:43:55

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 323:44:48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 044:58:58

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 347:19:46

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 107:58:29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 261:48:04

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 320:02:06

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 295:40:57

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 335:09:06

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 051:04:16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 982

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 348:02:48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 052:09:32

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 311:52:48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 324:01:45

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 085:44:25

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 359:21:07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 205:23:02

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 347:57:41

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 052:17:24

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 312:05:43

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 328:07:58

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 081:53:55

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 357:30:27

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 209:48:18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1082

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 348:48:22

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 000:17:10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 355:34:55

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 341:21:32

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 253:17:16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 302:24:10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 335:41:00

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 348:35:35

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 000:24:57

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 356:47:17

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 347:45:54

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 251:39:09

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 301:33:34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 337:05:04

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The most obvious way is to check planetary positions. If we

> decide

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Jupiter's position, for instance, should be the reference for

> > > which

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta' s dating ought to be calculated in comparison

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > value given by physical astronomy, Saturn will show

> disagreements

> > > > with

> > > > > > physical astronomy by wide margins. If Saturn is fixed, some

> other

> > > > > > planet will show intolerable divergences. I have devoted a

> whole

> > > > > chapter

> > > > > > on this problem in my Hindi book on Suryasiddhanta which was

> > > > published

> > > > > > in 2005 and went out of print in 2006. Table on left hand side

> > > (from

> > > > > my

> > > > > > book) shows the position of tropical planets at intervals of

> 100

> > > > years

> > > > > > during the entire epoch which was considered to be the period

> of

> > > > > > composition of Suryasiddha by scholars like Benteley or

> Burgess.

> > > > Lower

> > > > > > table shows the difference between Suryasiddhantic true

> planets

> > > from

> > > > > > physical planets of modern astronomy for the period which all

> > > > > > Westernerers consider to be period of composition of

> > > Suryasiddhanta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Comparison of Suryasiddhantic and Physical (Drik) Planets

> (seconds

> > > > of

> > > > > > arc)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 382

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -2145

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 2334

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 6824

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +10973

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 9247

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +10646

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -26439

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 482

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -1744

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 3641

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -10243

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -17683

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +15211

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 6465

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -19095

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 582

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -1335

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -16218

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 9562

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -28042

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +13306

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +10363

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -17196

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 682

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 950

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 3190

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -10973

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 5682

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -21723

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -10488

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -37022

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 782

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 506

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 6076

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -26377

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +23365

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +14882

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 8690

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -13998

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 882

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 105

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 4161

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 4502

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 8839

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +10978

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -41058

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -21918

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 982

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 307

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 472

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 775

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -14773

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +13830

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 6640

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -15916

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1082

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 767

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 467

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 4342

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -23062

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 5887

> > > > > >

> > > > > > + 3036

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - 5044

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The conclusion one can deduce from such a comparison is :

> there is

> > > > no

> > > > > > period in whole history (I've checked other periods too, which

> > > > cannot

> > > > > be

> > > > > > shown here due to space) for which Suryasiddhantic planetary

> > > > positions

> > > > > > can be brought to be within tolerable margins with respect to

> the

> > > > > > planetary positions given by physical astronomy. Some people

> are

> > > > > adamant

> > > > > > on taking Suryasiddhantic planets as physical bodies. If this

> be

> > > > > > accepted, Suryasiddhanta must have a date for which ALL its

> > > planets,

> > > > > > tithis, yogas, karanas, eclipses, etc ought to conform to the

> > > > findings

> > > > > > of physical astronomy within a margin of tolerable limits, say

> 1

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > (supposing ancient Indians could not make more precise

> > > observations)

> > > > .

> > > > > > What is that date ? Please show some date for which

> > > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > planets could be made to conform to ALL physical planets. We

> will

> > > > > fail,

> > > > > > utterly. That is why Bentely took a resort to devious means to

> get

> > > a

> > > > > > date of 1091 AD, which is against historical evidences, as

> even

> > > > Varaha

> > > > > > Mihira is known to be acquainted with Suryasiddhanta and

> eulogised

> > > > it

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the best. Even Burgess had to say, in his commentary on

> > > > Suryasiddhanta

> > > > > :

> > > > > > " planetary elements, which, when tested by the errors of

> position,

> > > > in

> > > > > > the manner already explained, do not appear to have been

> > > constructed

> > > > > so

> > > > > > as to give the true sidereal position at any assignable

> epoch " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As Varaha Mihira eulogized Suryasiddhanta as the clearest of

> all

> > > > > > siddhantas, why we should not check whether Suryasiddhantic

> > > planets

> > > > > > could be made to conform to physical planets at the time of

> Varaha

> > > > > > Mihira ? If we take Varaha Mihira's date as between 505-550

> AD,

> > > > above

> > > > > > tables show thT Suryasiddhantic planets had differences

> ranging

> > > from

> > > > > > -28042 " to +15211 " , ie, from -4.2 to 7.8 degrees during the

> > > century

> > > > > > from 482 to 582 AD (greater differences were observed in

> > > intervening

> > > > > > years) !! Was Varaha Mihira so dull as to neglect such huge

> > > > > differences

> > > > > > ?? Above comparison is tropical. But sidereal comparison will

> > > yield

> > > > > > similar results, with greater differences due to +2:59':22 "

> > > > difference

> > > > > > in ayanamsha in 499 AD. Saur ayanamsha zero in 499 AD, Drik

> > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > was zero in 285 AD, hence Drig ayanamsha was +3 degrees ahead

> of

> > > > Saur

> > > > > > ayanamsha in 499 AD which was the zero year for which

> Aryabhatiya

> > > > was

> > > > > > based. Sun's table shows a clear order which leads us to

> suspect

> > > > that

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 908 AD, tropical values of Saur and Drik Sun were same. If

> > > nirayana

> > > > > > computations are made, the year of zero difference in Sun will

> be

> > > > 782

> > > > > > AD. . Burgess gave a wrong value at 250 AD. But only Sun

> cannot be

> > > a

> > > > > > criteria. If mean positions of all planets are compared, 2000

> AD

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > year of minimum difference, and such a date arrives after

> every

> > > > 42000

> > > > > > years. Barring Sun, other planets do not give any result at

> all,

> > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > undulating values of differences, which even Burgess noted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Burgess tried hard to understand Suryasiddhanta, but he could

> get

> > > > only

> > > > > > those pandits who were greedy of mone, and therefore could not

> get

> > > > the

> > > > > > help of those pandits who did not want to divulge their

> secrets to

> > > a

> > > > > > Christian priest. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that all its

> secrets

> > > > > must

> > > > > > not be given to all and sundry (in the end of two chapters).

> Most

> > > > > > serious mistake of Burgess was his inability to understand the

> > > > > > Suryasiddhantic tradition of beeja-samskaara. His secong error

> was

> > > a

> > > > > > wrong method of making true planets out of mean planets, which

> is

> > > > > > against laws of mathematics as well as against traditional

> > > > > > Suryasiddhatic (Makaranda) tables which Burgess knew well but

> > > could

> > > > > not

> > > > > > find their formulae and therefore published a wrong method.

> There

> > > > are

> > > > > a

> > > > > > lot of other mistakes in his commentary too, which have not

> been

> > > > > removed

> > > > > > by later commentators, due to canonical prohibition on

> publishing

> > > > all

> > > > > > the secrets of Suryasiddhata.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point is about Samanta Chandrashekhara. He changed

> values

> > > of

> > > > > > Suryasiddhantic constants in order to get modern astronomical

> > > > > positions

> > > > > > of planets. Had he succeeded, why some panchanga makers are

> not

> > > > making

> > > > > > panchangas on his lines ? The fact is thet whatever changes we

> > > make

> > > > in

> > > > > > Suryasiddhantic constants, we cannot make the planetary

> positions

> > > > > > conform to physical planets due to fundamental theoretical

> > > > > differences.

> > > > > > For instance, the four mandaphala and shighraphala samskaaras

> can

> > > > > never

> > > > > > fit with modern astronomy. Mars can produce a maximum of

> 22:17 "

> > > > merely

> > > > > > on account of its equation of centre. Another instance is

> > > planetary

> > > > > > distances : Suryasiddhantic Sun is at a distance of 1/ 27.2 AU

> !!

> > > > But

> > > > > > Moon's distance is same as given by modern astronomy !! How

> can

> > > such

> > > > a

> > > > > > system fit with physical astronomy ?? Hence, if one wants the

> > > > > positions

> > > > > > of physical astronomy, he/she will have t0 discard

> Suryasiddhanta

> > > > > > completely. It cannot be reformed at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But it is wrong to call it outdated, because if Suryasiddhanta

> is

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > today, it was more wrong in any period of the past. Nirayana

> mean

> > > > > values

> > > > > > of Suryasiddhantic planetary positions have minimum " errors "

> for

> > > > ~2000

> > > > > > AD !! Does it mean Suryasiddhanta was composed for 2000 AD ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Comparison with physical astronomy gives impossible

> conclusions

> > > > which

> > > > > > cannot be resolved. If such a method is accepted, we must

> conclude

> > > > > that

> > > > > > all ancient scholars were idiots who could not observe errors

> of

> > > > over

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > degrees in planetary positions for long durations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But ancient evidence is opposite : Suryasiddhanta was

> eulogized as

> > > > the

> > > > > > best treatise for astrology, and those who observed physical

> stars

> > > > and

> > > > > > planets for astrological purposes were despised as

> > > > nakshatra-soochakas

> > > > > > !! This is the very meaning of " soochaka " . All ancient texts

> say

> > > > that

> > > > > > astrological planets are divinities. And divinities can never

> be

> > > > seen

> > > > > > sensorily. The only proof of Suryasiddhana is an honest and

> > > sincere

> > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL enquiry. Many members are already downloading

> > > Kundalee

> > > > > > software to test the continuing astrological validity of

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why take a single criteria, why not check all the planets ??

> Why

> > > ??

> > > > > The

> > > > > > reason is simple. A single criteria is selected according to

> > > dating

> > > > > > which fits in Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT). Other facts need to

> be

> > > > > > neglected, in order to save this AIT. Vedanga Jyotisha

> mentioned

> > > > > Maagha

> > > > > > Shukla Pratipadaa as one of the conditions of uttarayana at

> the

> > > > start

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Dhanishthaa, which Colebrooke and all his " honest " followers

> > > > > > deliberately neglected to mention, because they had to prove a

> > > date

> > > > > not

> > > > > > before 1500 BC. Similarly, Varaha Mihira's verse-9 in

> > > > > > Brihaspati-chaaraad hyaaya of Brihad-samhitaa is never

> analyzed

> > > for

> > > > > > dating a concurreence when Prabhava samvatsara concurred with

> > > > > Brihaspati

> > > > > > at the start of Dhanishthaa in Maagha month , because any

> sincere

> > > > > effort

> > > > > > of finding such concurrences push the dates of Indian history

> into

> > > > > > remote prehistory going back to hundreds of thousands of

> years.

> > > > Hence,

> > > > > > facts are neglected or distorted, and fictions are propounded

> as

> > > > > > theories. As I said above, this modern view is guided by a

> world

> > > > view

> > > > > > which is the dominant view of ruling elite in the world today.

> But

> > > > is

> > > > > > this elite immortal ? How long truth about Vedas and

> Vedaangas,

> > > > > > including Suryasiddhanta will be suppressewd or neglected ?

> The

> > > real

> > > > > > Vedaanga is Suryasiddhanta and books of rishis like Parashara

> and

> > > > > > Jaimini ; Mahatma Lagadha's books were not for astrologers,

> they

> > > > were

> > > > > > for Vaidikas who performed sacrifices. Our whole history has

> been

> > > > > > written with an alien point of view, who " discovered " India

> > > > according

> > > > > to

> > > > > > their colonial and cultural interests.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Instead of bickering about the date of Suryasiddhanta, if we

> sit

> > > > down

> > > > > to

> > > > > > test the astrological validity of Suryasiddhanta by means of

> > > freely

> > > > > > available Kundalee software, we will have to accept that

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta

> > > > > > is not a book of physical astronomy at all. It is actually the

> > > > > > siddhantic bedrock of Vedic Astrology without which the

> > > mathematical

> > > > > > basis of Tri-skandha Jyotisha will lose its fundamental

> skandha.

> > > If

> > > > we

> > > > > > do not want to learn Suryasiddhanta and abuse it,

> Suryasiddhanta

> > > > will

> > > > > > not teach us automatically. Jyotisha, besides human destiny,

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > guided by physical planets, but by superconscious deities who

> > > cannot

> > > > > be

> > > > > > propitiated by sapphire or diamond if our hearts are not pure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

April 18, 2009

Dear Rohini,

Vinayji has always said that one may be able to see the proof of the Saurapaksha

view only after trying out his Kundalee Software. Vinayji talks about the

Drikpaksha and Saurapaksha views of the Suryasiddhnata. The sceptics of the

Saurapaksha view of the Suryasiddhanta, including me, are eagerly looking

forward to the findings of yours, Bhaskarji's and others with the Kundalee

Software trials.

Best wishes.

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

Re: Dating the Suryasiddhaanta : Downloading Kundalee

Friday, April 17, 2009, 10:47 PM

Dear Vinayji --

You know that I respect and admire you and wish you well.

Modern reality simply is that people are spoilt rotten on internet!

We all demand more from freeware, even more from shareware (the kind that dies

after the 30th run if one has not sent in moolah via paypal or whatever!) AND

ABSOLUTELY NO resistance offered to software that costs us hundreds of dollars

(do the math for other currencies!) . It has to do with a quirk in human

psychology which dictates the adage: You get what you pay for!

Sometimes it works in reverse as I have been seeing has been the case with your

software!

Maybe you should start charging for *support*!

Or just flood the cyberspace with illustrations and writings ;-)

Yours in Jyotish --

Rohiniranjan

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> To All :

>

> Kundalee software has three files :

>

> Filename Size Location

> 1) Phalit.CAB : 5.7 MB : http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start

> <http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start>

> 2) setup.exe : 2.2 MB : http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start

> <http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start>

> 3) SETUP.LST : 6 KB :

> http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html

> <http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html>

>

> The second file has been named setup.jha, because *.exe files often

> invite viruses, hence after downloading setup.jha should be renamed to

> setup.exe . After downloading, double click setup.exe , and automatic

> installation will take place, which will may fail if there is any virus

> on your computer or if downloading was interrupted by broken internet

> connections.

> ... ...

> Causes Behind Earlier Problems in Downloading :

>

> Developers often offer mirror sites for offering alternative sources for

> downloading, due to problems of server overload & c. It is not a new

> problem peculiar to my software. I do not have a dedicated server for my

> software. I tried to bring in some enterpreneurs for distributing this

> software, but they wanted to sell it at prices of Rs 2000 - 4000, which

> I rejected. But the new site is not posing overload problems at all.

>

> Phalit.CAB and setup.exe lies at http://www.datafile host.com

> <http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html> site which is a

> very busy server and creates problems with larger files. Initially,

> Phalit.CAB had a size of 23 MB which could not be easily downloaded by

> nearly 35% users. Hence, I downsized it to 7 MB, but some users still

> faced problems. Now, I have downsuzed this file further to 5.73 MB and

> put it on a less busy server, where no one has complained of download

> failure, even Bhaskar ji reports he downloaded this larger file. He

> failed to download the smallest file SETUP.LST because he tried at

> http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start <http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start>

> which offers only view mode for *.LST files. It is clearly mentioned

> at that page : " Download the third file SETUP.LST by ClickingHere

> <http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html> " (ie,

> http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html

> <http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 0e9ded56. html> ).