Astrologers and the free meal seeking parasites

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

[Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in livelihood.

These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the above

statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of the

astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer should

not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those parasites

in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

what?!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar like

Vinay

> ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so also

in

> modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are forbidden to

ask

> or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going by

the

> flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

`justified'

> would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal and

modern

> astro-paatras.

>

> Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

we cannot

> hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource adopting

> astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

>

> While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may be

more

> suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would like

to see

> astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

ungrudgingly

> doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

Its a pleasure to see you here in this group.

 

I can quote hundreds of instances from Mahabharata , and other texts

wherein the ancients revered the astrologers and compensated them with

gifts and other belongings. Since today the payment is made by normal

people and not Kings, and the measure of payment is Real Money and not

in kind, so people are talking. I also have the Manusmriti in front of

me in fact, since last evening as it is a great learning for one to read

this book alongwith the stotras. I do nto find any derogatory statements

effected towards the people who have been branded here as " Chandalas "

rather I find them respected throughout the Book.

 

In my case, I have never accepted " Dakshina " and do not like that word

as payment for my Fees, but am proud to demand my fees, rather than

request for a Dakshina.

 

Yes you are right about those who stop receiving payments for their

astrological services given, who will feed them and their families, that

solution has not been given to us uptil now. they just quote the ancient

texts without the refernces. And evn if this was found to be true what

about the adaption in the present century context ? If i start asking

for daksina i will look like as if asking for alms, and people will

thrust a Rs.50 or Rs.100- note in my hands and treat me as if they have

purchased me. This is not the days of the Kings and kingdoms, of Raja

and Praja.

 

One has to change the context to adapt to the modern times. For instance

movement in those daus by carts, chariots or other modes has to be

amalgamated by cars, Trains, aviation, etc. Some people say " Rahu " just

means Muslim communities , when in fact in the ancient days when it was

written about rahu, there were no muslims, and in truth Rahu signifies

any person who is a " Foreigner " or not from same " community " when

talking in context of people.

 

Thus adaption has to be done sensibly and not twist the statement or

misinterpret them.

 

Love and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

> Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

> [Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in livelihood.

> These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the above

> statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

> permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of the

> astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer

should

> not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those parasites

> in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

> what?!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar

like

> Vinay

> > ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so

also

> in

> > modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are forbidden

to

> ask

> > or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going by

> the

> > flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

> `justified'

> > would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal and

> modern

> > astro-paatras.

> >

> > Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

> we cannot

> > hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource

adopting

> > astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

> >

> > While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may be

> more

> > suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would

like

> to see

> > astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

> ungrudgingly

> > doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bhaskarji,

You will be fortunate if people would offer you Rs 50 -100 as dakshinaa. I saw

two young pandits performing a graha propitiation japa for many weeks for a vice

chancellor who was forced to submit resignation. Then, I asked the VC to pay Rs

1.25 (savaa rupees) as dakshinaa, because no result is possible without a

dakshinaa. It was not paid because resignation had been refused by the

chancellor. After a month, the VC was dismissed. But he never paid one rupee and

twenty five paise !

If you do not find the reference to chandala in Manusmriti, why you do not ask

Sunil ji ?? Please no not belittle dakshinaa. Even a guru is paid dakshinaa.

Dakshinaa is not an insult, butr an honour. If Kaliyugi yajamaanas do not

understand its worth, it is their fault.

 

-VJ

 

 

________________________________

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

Monday, April 6, 2009 5:16:13 PM

Re: Astrologers and the free meal seeking parasites

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

Its a pleasure to see you here in this group.

 

I can quote hundreds of instances from Mahabharata , and other texts

wherein the ancients revered the astrologers and compensated them with

gifts and other belongings. Since today the payment is made by normal

people and not Kings, and the measure of payment is Real Money and not

in kind, so people are talking. I also have the Manusmriti in front of

me in fact, since last evening as it is a great learning for one to read

this book alongwith the stotras. I do nto find any derogatory statements

effected towards the people who have been branded here as " Chandalas "

rather I find them respected throughout the Book.

 

In my case, I have never accepted " Dakshina " and do not like that word

as payment for my Fees, but am proud to demand my fees, rather than

request for a Dakshina.

 

Yes you are right about those who stop receiving payments for their

astrological services given, who will feed them and their families, that

solution has not been given to us uptil now. they just quote the ancient

texts without the refernces. And evn if this was found to be true what

about the adaption in the present century context ? If i start asking

for daksina i will look like as if asking for alms, and people will

thrust a Rs.50 or Rs.100- note in my hands and treat me as if they have

purchased me. This is not the days of the Kings and kingdoms, of Raja

and Praja.

 

One has to change the context to adapt to the modern times. For instance

movement in those daus by carts, chariots or other modes has to be

amalgamated by cars, Trains, aviation, etc. Some people say " Rahu " just

means Muslim communities , when in fact in the ancient days when it was

written about rahu, there were no muslims, and in truth Rahu signifies

any person who is a " Foreigner " or not from same " community " when

talking in context of people.

 

Thus adaption has to be done sensibly and not twist the statement or

misinterpret them.

 

Love and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

> Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

> [Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in livelihood.

> These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the above

> statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

> permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of the

> astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer

should

> not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those parasites

> in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

> what?!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar

like

> Vinay

> > ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so

also

> in

> > modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are forbidden

to

> ask

> > or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going by

> the

> > flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

> `justified'

> > would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal and

> modern

> > astro-paatras.

> >

> > Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

> we cannot

> > hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource

adopting

> > astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

> >

> > While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may be

> more

> > suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would

like

> to see

> > astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

> ungrudgingly

> > doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Dakshinas are to be suppossed to be accepted only by Brahmins. Now I am

not a brahmin by Birth, though my Karmic activities may resemble a

Brahmins.

 

I have not belittled " Dakshina " . It is the rightful source of income

from Yajmans to the Brahmins.

 

But I am a professional astrologer who has confidence in his studies and

likes to demand Payment of his Fees.

 

Period.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji,

> You will be fortunate if people would offer you Rs 50 -100 as

dakshinaa. I saw two young pandits performing a graha propitiation japa

for many weeks for a vice chancellor who was forced to submit

resignation. Then, I asked the VC to pay Rs 1.25 (savaa rupees) as

dakshinaa, because no result is possible without a dakshinaa. It was not

paid because resignation had been refused by the chancellor. After a

month, the VC was dismissed. But he never paid one rupee and twenty five

paise !

> If you do not find the reference to chandala in Manusmriti, why you do

not ask Sunil ji ?? Please no not belittle dakshinaa. Even a guru is

paid dakshinaa. Dakshinaa is not an insult, butr an honour. If Kaliyugi

yajamaanas do not understand its worth, it is their fault.

>

> -VJ

>

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Monday, April 6, 2009 5:16:13 PM

> Re: Astrologers and the free meal seeking

parasites

>

>

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Its a pleasure to see you here in this group.

>

> I can quote hundreds of instances from Mahabharata , and other texts

> wherein the ancients revered the astrologers and compensated them with

> gifts and other belongings. Since today the payment is made by normal

> people and not Kings, and the measure of payment is Real Money and not

> in kind, so people are talking. I also have the Manusmriti in front of

> me in fact, since last evening as it is a great learning for one to

read

> this book alongwith the stotras. I do nto find any derogatory

statements

> effected towards the people who have been branded here as " Chandalas "

> rather I find them respected throughout the Book.

>

> In my case, I have never accepted " Dakshina " and do not like that word

> as payment for my Fees, but am proud to demand my fees, rather than

> request for a Dakshina.

>

> Yes you are right about those who stop receiving payments for their

> astrological services given, who will feed them and their families,

that

> solution has not been given to us uptil now. they just quote the

ancient

> texts without the refernces. And evn if this was found to be true what

> about the adaption in the present century context ? If i start asking

> for daksina i will look like as if asking for alms, and people will

> thrust a Rs.50 or Rs.100- note in my hands and treat me as if they

have

> purchased me. This is not the days of the Kings and kingdoms, of Raja

> and Praja.

>

> One has to change the context to adapt to the modern times. For

instance

> movement in those daus by carts, chariots or other modes has to be

> amalgamated by cars, Trains, aviation, etc. Some people say " Rahu "

just

> means Muslim communities , when in fact in the ancient days when it

was

> written about rahu, there were no muslims, and in truth Rahu signifies

> any person who is a " Foreigner " or not from same " community " when

> talking in context of people.

>

> Thus adaption has to be done sensibly and not twist the statement or

> misinterpret them.

>

> Love and regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sreenadh " sreesog@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

> > [Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in

livelihood.

> > These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the

above

> > statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

> > permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of

the

> > astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer

> should

> > not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those

parasites

> > in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

> > what?!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar

> like

> > Vinay

> > > ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so

> also

> > in

> > > modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are

forbidden

> to

> > ask

> > > or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going

by

> > the

> > > flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

> > `justified'

> > > would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal

and

> > modern

> > > astro-paatras.

> > >

> > > Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

> > we cannot

> > > hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource

> adopting

> > > astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

> > >

> > > While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may

be

> > more

> > > suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would

> like

> > to see

> > > astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

> > ungrudgingly

> > > doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vimay ji, Neelam ji,

Members

 

We have seen the life and work of modern greats like B V raman ji , KN RAO,

P S Shastry, PS IYER H R SHESHADRI AYER AND MANY OTHERS LIVEd SIMPLE LIVES

with whatever people gave them

 

B V RAMAN ji has said many times there is nothing wrong in getting dakshina

or fees as LONG AS IT DOESN'T PINCH SOMEONE

 

most classics and the Prashna shastra related are enough indicators to show

the nature of dakshina itself offers clues so IT IS NOT FORBIDDEN per se.

 

the fruits, flowers, coins, beetle leaves, arac nuts etc their arrangement,

its freshness or staleness the poise of the querent, his respect or lack of

it towards the learned person whom he is seeking help, if he is serous or

testing them etc can be made out from it and it is conditional that the

astrologer despite all the dakshina can still refuse everything and not

answer the querent if the person doesn't deserve it whoever it may be high

or mighty.

 

most good astrologers never submitted to the rulers and lived with social

support from villagers in those times and even now.

 

now we don't have such Royal patronage or social support from our own

society so we have to find ways to meet both ends pay bills of every kind

that the query seeker himself is paying as is every other professional and I

am sure there is nothing wrong in it either

 

bottom line is not demaindng, or fleecing, whatever is humanely possible

must be done. LIVE AND LET LIVE

 

if the practitioners of the subject can't live who will keep it alive for

the free meal seekers?

they would not mind paying heavily to psychiatrists, counsellors lawyers

with no warning that their time doesn't suit it or can look for alternate

cheaper options. these advices come at a fraction of the amout a

professional gets, and there must be no grudging on this.

 

 

Best Wishes

 

Prashant

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

> Bhaskarji,

> You will be fortunate if people would offer you Rs 50 -100 as dakshinaa. I

> saw two young pandits performing a graha propitiation japa for many weeks

> for a vice chancellor who was forced to submit resignation. Then, I asked

> the VC to pay Rs 1.25 (savaa rupees) as dakshinaa, because no result is

> possible without a dakshinaa. It was not paid because resignation had been

> refused by the chancellor. After a month, the VC was dismissed. But he never

> paid one rupee and twenty five paise !

> If you do not find the reference to chandala in Manusmriti, why you do not

> ask Sunil ji ?? Please no not belittle dakshinaa. Even a guru is paid

> dakshinaa. Dakshinaa is not an insult, butr an honour. If Kaliyugi

> yajamaanas do not understand its worth, it is their fault.

>

> -VJ

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

> >

> <%40>

> Monday, April 6, 2009 5:16:13 PM

> Re: Astrologers and the free meal seeking parasites

>

>

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Its a pleasure to see you here in this group.

>

> I can quote hundreds of instances from Mahabharata , and other texts

> wherein the ancients revered the astrologers and compensated them with

> gifts and other belongings. Since today the payment is made by normal

> people and not Kings, and the measure of payment is Real Money and not

> in kind, so people are talking. I also have the Manusmriti in front of

> me in fact, since last evening as it is a great learning for one to read

> this book alongwith the stotras. I do nto find any derogatory statements

> effected towards the people who have been branded here as " Chandalas "

> rather I find them respected throughout the Book.

>

> In my case, I have never accepted " Dakshina " and do not like that word

> as payment for my Fees, but am proud to demand my fees, rather than

> request for a Dakshina.

>

> Yes you are right about those who stop receiving payments for their

> astrological services given, who will feed them and their families, that

> solution has not been given to us uptil now. they just quote the ancient

> texts without the refernces. And evn if this was found to be true what

> about the adaption in the present century context ? If i start asking

> for daksina i will look like as if asking for alms, and people will

> thrust a Rs.50 or Rs.100- note in my hands and treat me as if they have

> purchased me. This is not the days of the Kings and kingdoms, of Raja

> and Praja.

>

> One has to change the context to adapt to the modern times. For instance

> movement in those daus by carts, chariots or other modes has to be

> amalgamated by cars, Trains, aviation, etc. Some people say " Rahu " just

> means Muslim communities , when in fact in the ancient days when it was

> written about rahu, there were no muslims, and in truth Rahu signifies

> any person who is a " Foreigner " or not from same " community " when

> talking in context of people.

>

> Thus adaption has to be done sensibly and not twist the statement or

> misinterpret them.

>

> Love and regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

> > [Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in livelihood.

> > These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the above

> > statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

> > permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of the

> > astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer

> should

> > not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those parasites

> > in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

> > what?!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar

> like

> > Vinay

> > > ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so

> also

> > in

> > > modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are forbidden

> to

> > ask

> > > or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going by

> > the

> > > flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

> > `justified'

> > > would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal and

> > modern

> > > astro-paatras.

> > >

> > > Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

> > we cannot

> > > hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource

> adopting

> > > astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

> > >

> > > While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may be

> > more

> > > suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would

> like

> > to see

> > > astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

> > ungrudgingly

> > > doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I agree with you and never questioned this. In fact, like other professions,

astrology should also be financially rewarding for the practitioner so that

he's motivated to follow this line.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Neelam ji

 

there is a v thin line here between rewarding and sustaining oneself to be

able to live and practice the subject with all the ferover, patience,

dedication as it is required of its practioners

 

not many charge big sums and they have their own problems later, those who

live by not hurting their query seekers and provide relief, guidence r

blessed anyway and what little they get will be of great value mutually most

ppl get insignificant or nothing to talk abt there must be a middle ground

here. so that more members do join this humance science than go for a

counselling profession that seldom helps

 

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote:

 

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> I agree with you and never questioned this. In fact, like other

> professions,

> astrology should also be financially rewarding for the practitioner so that

> he's motivated to follow this line.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

[Guest guest]

Prashant ji,

 

Asking for fees is not preferred by a lot of traditional pandits.

 

But without a proper dakshinaa, yajamaana will get no benefit.

 

If astrology regains the prestige it enjoyed in ancient times, astrologers will

get adequate dakshinaa without asking for anything. At present, if astrologers

do not ask for fees, they will not be able to maintain themselves. But an

astrologer goes by ancient rules strictly, divine help to him/her increases

either overtly or covertly, and his/her predictions become more accurate.

 

-VJ

================= =================

, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Neelam ji

>

> there is a v thin line here between rewarding and sustaining oneself to be

> able to live and practice the subject with all the ferover, patience,

> dedication as it is required of its practioners

>

> not many charge big sums and they have their own problems later, those who

> live by not hurting their query seekers and provide relief, guidence r

> blessed anyway and what little they get will be of great value mutually most

> ppl get insignificant or nothing to talk abt there must be a middle ground

> here. so that more members do join this humance science than go for a

> counselling profession that seldom helps

>

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote:

>

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > I agree with you and never questioned this. In fact, like other

> > professions,

> > astrology should also be financially rewarding for the practitioner so that

> > he's motivated to follow this line.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Personally I am doing more free readings only in groups and in personal

sessions I do accept what people pay, i don't demand money, but some cases

in groups if I feel they have a suspect connection I do ask from any wild no

at that date and in most cases have directed it to a charity directly like

TTD temple

 

this apart

 

I go by the establised greatest and undisputed pioneer, torch bearer of

Vedic astrology's B V RAMAN line asking fo rmoney which doesnt pinch [hurt

anyone] is allowed [not forebidden

 

PLEASE READ HIS works MY EXPERIMENTS WITH ASTROLOGY

 

he never compromised on orinciples

 

he never took adds for hatcheries, distelieries OR POLITICIANS.

 

HE IS A COMPLETE VEDIC CHOLAR, WHO STUDIED THE VEDAS AND ALLIED brances

 

has starved, kept his family also starved and ben violent with wife,

children, also during his poverty days he has admited this in the said book

and found no reason to sell himself he took whatever he got.

 

 

raman JI IS TO ASTROLOGY LIKE sWAMI vIVEKANANDA TO hINDUISM WITHOUT THEM

BOTH CULTURES OR PARAMPARAS WOULD HAVE LONG DIED

 

SO IF HE SAYS IT IS OK, AND WE DONT PINCH OR HURT SOME IT IS FINE

 

I KNOW PPL CHARGING 40J OR 2-3 LAKS a consultation, i hope u heard of Lion

parthasarathy who used to charge min 5k upwards depending on their capacity

the ill-gotten money made him live lavishly beyond his means finally he

comited sucide unable to pay for the shrot fall but declared it was his

moment of death this way....

 

earning Good karma in helping people will direct u to good ppl who will do

the larger good things in life, the small day to day things one has to do ,

take some money my next examples will show u why

 

as i know this is not the last in this thread.

 

Prashant

 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:07 AM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

> Prashant ji,

>

> Asking for fees is not preferred by a lot of traditional pandits.

>

> But without a proper dakshinaa, yajamaana will get no benefit.

>

> If astrology regains the prestige it enjoyed in ancient times, astrologers

> will get adequate dakshinaa without asking for anything. At present, if

> astrologers do not ask for fees, they will not be able to maintain

> themselves. But an astrologer goes by ancient rules strictly, divine help to

> him/her increases either overtly or covertly, and his/her predictions become

> more accurate.

>

> -VJ

> ================= =================

> <%40>,

> astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Neelam ji

> >

> > there is a v thin line here between rewarding and sustaining oneself to

> be

> > able to live and practice the subject with all the ferover, patience,

> > dedication as it is required of its practioners

> >

> > not many charge big sums and they have their own problems later, those

> who

> > live by not hurting their query seekers and provide relief, guidence r

> > blessed anyway and what little they get will be of great value mutually

> most

> > ppl get insignificant or nothing to talk abt there must be a middle

> ground

> > here. so that more members do join this humance science than go for a

> > counselling profession that seldom helps

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you and never questioned this. In fact, like other

> > > professions,

> > > astrology should also be financially rewarding for the practitioner so

> that

> > > he's motivated to follow this line.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

I did question it, at first, for many years! For a long time -- and then

realized when I matured and learned to experience and explore further, that

there are two aspects to such an energy-exchange and it goes beyond just the

reader and the read (nativity) or even beyond the domains and boundaries of

modalities of divinations and divinities!

 

And exchange simply means in a mundane sense two! One who is looking into the

mirror and the mirror! The mirror has the duty to show the reflection HONESTLY

and the viewer has the responsibility to MAINTAIN the mirror CLEAN and POLISHED!

 

Isn't that interesting and yet so fair?

 

If I am to gain from looking into the mirror, I need to keep it clean and true

and if the mirror needs to remain desirable and helpful, once cleaned, it must

tell what it sees - honestly!

 

RR

 

 

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> I agree with you and never questioned this. In fact, like other professions,

> astrology should also be financially rewarding for the practitioner so that

> he's motivated to follow this line.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

 

If I may...

 

Keeping aside divinities for a while, for they are supposed to be present in

everyone, though astrologers may count their blessings, my main concern has

been gaining some sort of ‘entitlement’ for astrology, akin medicine or even

psychology for that matter. Astrology has to be professionally and

honourably re-structured, especially when human development has been skewed

by a capitalistic, consumer-driven culture.

 

Most of the astrology is happening, or rather required, on the mundane

plane, the energy-exchange being more of a doctor-patient type. A more

fruitful and convincing exchange in this domain is possible when initiation

in astrology is more voluntary and wanted, and is perceived as essential for

the well-being of the initiate and the community.

 

Possibility of distortion will exist in all reflecting surfaces, sometimes

intentional and sometimes unintentional, for that astrology alone should not

be in the throes of collapse and chaos. With changing times, astrology must

be re-established as an integral service for human welfare.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

(PS: I am not a practicing astrologer, so I am not justifying my act)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

 

If I may...

 

Keeping aside divinities for a while, for they are supposed to be present in

everyone, though astrologers may count their blessings, my main concern has been

gaining some sort of ‘entitlement’ for astrology, akin medicine or even

psychology for that matter. Astrology has to be professionally and honourably

re-structured, especially when human development has been skewed by a

capitalistic, consumer-driven culture.

 

Most of the astrology is happening, or rather required, on the mundane plane,

the energy-exchange being more of a doctor-patient type. A more fruitful and

convincing exchange in this domain is possible when initiation in astrology is

more voluntary and wanted, and is perceived as essential for the well-being of

the initiate and the community.

 

Possibility of distortion will exist in all reflecting surfaces, sometimes

intentional and sometimes unintentional, for that astrology alone should not be

in the throes of collapse and chaos. With changing times, astrology must be

re-established as an integral service for human welfare.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

Did Medicine or Psychiatry/Psychology arrive where these disciplines are today

-- despite all the darts and arrows flung at each of these from many sectors and

factions -- from a grass-roots ground-swell from outside these disciplines?

 

Perhaps Astrology can learn a thing or two from these successful professions,

despite the negative views that some within the society hold towards these?

Please understand, I am not passing judgment but merely reporting what I have

heard or read or was told.

 

RR

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> If I may...

>

> Keeping aside divinities for a while, for they are supposed to be present in

> everyone, though astrologers may count their blessings, my main concern has

> been gaining some sort of `entitlement' for astrology, akin medicine or even

> psychology for that matter. Astrology has to be professionally and

> honourably re-structured, especially when human development has been skewed

> by a capitalistic, consumer-driven culture.

>

> Most of the astrology is happening, or rather required, on the mundane

> plane, the energy-exchange being more of a doctor-patient type. A more

> fruitful and convincing exchange in this domain is possible when initiation

> in astrology is more voluntary and wanted, and is perceived as essential for

> the well-being of the initiate and the community.

>

> Possibility of distortion will exist in all reflecting surfaces, sometimes

> intentional and sometimes unintentional, for that astrology alone should not

> be in the throes of collapse and chaos. With changing times, astrology must

> be re-established as an integral service for human welfare.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> (PS: I am not a practicing astrologer, so I am not justifying my act)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji

 

here probably capitalism is not as bad or dangerous as has been COMMUNISM

who have controlled our history, culture its values, education system for

too long a period want to see only glorious things from the invaders,

imperialists from West Asia, west Europe etc- even bad sides r colored to

suit it and decry, denigrate allVedic culture and its values as

obscurunists, primitive.

 

fortunately hey despise USA but then USA being capitalist has the most open

research minded souls working on all that the communists in India have

dammed as named above

 

they GiVE FAR BETTER CIRCULATION OF ANY ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE THAN THE NO1

IN INDIA EVEN THE GOOD SOFTWARES COME from there AFTER THIS A FEW LIKE sRI

pvnARSHIMA RAO JI DID THEIR BIT TO BEAT TH COMMERCIAL SIDE AND BROUGH IN

FREE VERSIONS FOR ALL

 

BUT THE INTERPRETATIVE ASPECT must come from the heart and blessings of a

guru, a parampara with some satvic life style, have no expectations on how

much someone pays u but make it know some payment helps them live and

sustain themselves and the subject this is enough

 

we have paracites in all fields astrology is no exception

people coming from a guru-shishya parampara r far sensitive to such areas

than the ones who pick up some books and jump into a bandwagon.

 

 

Prashant

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:01 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote:

 

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> If I may...

>

> Keeping aside divinities for a while, for they are supposed to be present

> in

> everyone, though astrologers may count their blessings, my main concern has

> been gaining some sort of ‘entitlement’ for astrology, akin medicine or

> even

> psychology for that matter. Astrology has to be professionally and

> honourably re-structured, especially when human development has been skewed

> by a capitalistic, consumer-driven culture.

>

> Most of the astrology is happening, or rather required, on the mundane

> plane, the energy-exchange being more of a doctor-patient type. A more

> fruitful and convincing exchange in this domain is possible when initiation

> in astrology is more voluntary and wanted, and is perceived as essential

> for

> the well-being of the initiate and the community.

>

> Possibility of distortion will exist in all reflecting surfaces, sometimes

> intentional and sometimes unintentional, for that astrology alone should

> not

> be in the throes of collapse and chaos. With changing times, astrology must

> be re-established as an integral service for human welfare.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> (PS: I am not a practicing astrologer, so I am not justifying my act)

>

>

>