Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I request for the following proofs , for which claims were presented by a supposed to be Learned member of the group - 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the Indians knew it. 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to the time, the Indians gained it. 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. Since the claims were put up on this group, I request those who have claimed so, to please put up supporting evidence here in the group itself or take back all your claims for the above. Any format would be understandable by the other learned members of the group, is assured, if the evidence makes any sense. There should not be any reason now, to take this matter further on private exchanges, if there is some solid stuff available. If not, then its okay. Accept it. and leave it. Another Deception I would like to quell. When we can talk of western astrology and cultures on this group, then theres no reason not to talk on Western systems of prognostications. I assure we have enough knowledge to understand and discuss on those too, if the discussion is of some sense, and leads to betterment of our predictive techniques. Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Members, if such a claim has been made it is strange, that someone can even appropriate Vedic deities, most of the so called advanced cultures decry our Vedic culture on re-births esp in diff animate and inanimate forms based on our karmic balance sheet in the end of ones life and a Janama Patri is a opening balance of this life that comes from the close of the past life. good and bad this is continued for all our living forms and of all this Manava Janma is Durlabha-a difficult one unless some good has been done in earlier forms say animals at least the soul can't progress to human form and in this again we have several levels of life be it well to do, poor, in a dignified or contented job, life sick or healthy etc again based on Karma and no other culture s to this so any claim is ridicilous and probably insulting their own culture who claim r superioor to vedic I am sure theeir masters esp religious ones will hang them from the nearest lamp post again only vedic culture treated dissent , rebellion, betrayal, subversion in a human way rarely was corpal punishment given Desha bhashkirana was max in most examples like Galellio, sufferings cant be found for saying the truth we can find sage ramanujacharya being outlawed from tamil kingdoms and he went to Mysore regions and showed his worth there the Hyosala kingdom that embraced him did give him a fresh lease of life the Belur, Halebidu temples r priceless monmuents left by it but gallelo was tortured, and exterminated. tolerance is the breath of Vedic culture. we differ but never crush others who differ Vedic culture alone has never invaded any country t o psread its fold. but has withstood all invaders till date. this person may be living in self deception in giving credit to some or any other culture on various limbs of vedic culture, including Jyotishya and its elements. Prashant On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > I request for the following proofs , for which claims were presented by > a supposed to be Learned member of the group - > > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the > Indians knew it. > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to > the time, the Indians gained it. > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on > the Indian mythological stories. > > Since the claims were put up on this group, I request those who have > claimed so, to please put up supporting evidence here in the group itself or > take back all your claims for the above. > > Any format would be understandable by the other learned members of the > group, is assured, if the evidence makes any sense. There should not be any > reason now, to take this matter further on private exchanges, if there is > some solid stuff available. If not, then its okay. Accept it. and leave it. > > Another Deception I would like to quell. When we can talk of western > astrology and cultures on this group, then theres no reason not to talk on > Western systems of prognostications. I assure we have enough knowledge to > understand and discuss on those too, if the discussion is of some sense, and > leads to betterment of our predictive techniques. > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Bhaskarji has not named who made such strange claims : >>>> 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the Indians knew it. 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to the time, the Indians gained it. 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. <<<< My answers are : 1) Vedic texts provide proofs about knowledge of tithis, eg, Darsha-paurnamaasa yajna, Raakaa, Kuhu, Sinivaali, etc, which are tithis. even if these texts are placed around 1500-1000 BC, we cannot find concrete evidence of tithi in other cultures before this date. 2) cf. http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+Houses , which makes it clear that horoscopic houses make contrasting pairs intrisically related to samkhya-yoga-vedanta philosophies, which proves that the very idea of 12-houses originated in India. 3) cf. http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha , where I have provided proofs of western dashaa system having been derived from Indian Vimshottari system. 4) The question is not clear : " Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. " Who made such speculation ? -VJ , astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > Members, > > if such a claim has been made it is strange, that someone can even > appropriate Vedic deities, most of the so called advanced cultures decry our > Vedic culture on > > re-births esp in diff animate and inanimate forms based on our karmic > balance sheet in the end of ones life and a Janama Patri is a opening > balance of this life that comes from the close of the past life. good and > bad this is continued for all our living forms and of all this Manava Janma > is Durlabha-a difficult one unless some good has been done in earlier forms > say animals at least the soul can't progress to human form and in this again > we have several levels of life > be it well to do, poor, in a dignified or contented job, life sick or > healthy etc again based on Karma > > and no other culture s to this so any claim is ridicilous and > probably insulting their own culture who claim r superioor to vedic I am > sure theeir masters esp religious ones will hang them from the nearest lamp > post > > again only vedic culture treated dissent , rebellion, betrayal, subversion > in a human way rarely was corpal punishment given Desha bhashkirana was max > in most > > examples like Galellio, sufferings cant be found for saying the truth > > we can find sage ramanujacharya being outlawed from tamil kingdoms and he > went to Mysore regions and showed his worth there the Hyosala kingdom that > embraced him did give him a fresh lease of life the Belur, Halebidu temples > r priceless monmuents left by it > > but gallelo was tortured, and exterminated. tolerance is the breath of Vedic > culture. we differ but never crush others who differ > > Vedic culture alone has never invaded any country t o psread its fold. but > has withstood all invaders till date. > > this person may be living in self deception in giving credit to some or any > other culture on various limbs of vedic culture, including Jyotishya and its > elements. > > Prashant > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > I request for the following proofs , for which claims were presented by > > a supposed to be Learned member of the group - > > > > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the > > Indians knew it. > > > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to > > the time, the Indians gained it. > > > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on > > the Indian mythological stories. > > > > Since the claims were put up on this group, I request those who have > > claimed so, to please put up supporting evidence here in the group itself or > > take back all your claims for the above. > > > > Any format would be understandable by the other learned members of the > > group, is assured, if the evidence makes any sense. There should not be any > > reason now, to take this matter further on private exchanges, if there is > > some solid stuff available. If not, then its okay. Accept it. and leave it. > > > > Another Deception I would like to quell. When we can talk of western > > astrology and cultures on this group, then theres no reason not to talk on > > Western systems of prognostications. I assure we have enough knowledge to > > understand and discuss on those too, if the discussion is of some sense, and > > leads to betterment of our predictive techniques. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Vinay, it appears it is Marg by my observation of the other thread as i scrolled down and fond his I DiD not fortunately read all of them some 48 odd then rarely i get so much time to spenmd on reading mails but what is good , great abt Indian culture if I read and find time do reply at least in a short way earliers used to say more I hope to find some time in a couple of months for better work outputs. IN THIS MARG HAS replied to ur points only on the evidence part not being there in a recorded from on this also I replied saying Indian history so far is what was written by the Invaders of Indian culture be it arabs, or Missionaries or communists WE R YET TO FIND TIME, INTEREST TO KNOW ABOUT OUR CULTURE, RELIGIOM HERITAGE havet we been taught the same british, later communist historians of the Aryan invasion theory the aryan dravidian divide is a implanted one. MIDE DAVIS from USA has written extensively on this now his name is Pvan Kumar, if u find time pl read old astrological magazines of B V RAMAN ji where he has posted excerts similarly david frawley's works P N oak works etc prashant On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > Bhaskarji has not named who made such strange claims : > >>>> > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the > Indians knew it. > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to > the time, the Indians gained it. > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on > the Indian mythological stories. > <<<< > > My answers are : > > 1) Vedic texts provide proofs about knowledge of tithis, eg, > Darsha-paurnamaasa yajna, Raakaa, Kuhu, Sinivaali, etc, which are tithis. > even if these texts are placed around 1500-1000 BC, we cannot find concrete > evidence of tithi in other cultures before this date. > > 2) cf. > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+Houses, which makes it clear that horoscopic houses make contrasting pairs > intrisically related to samkhya-yoga-vedanta philosophies, which proves that > the very idea of 12-houses originated in India. > > 3) cf. http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha , where I > have provided proofs of western dashaa system having been derived from > Indian Vimshottari system. > > 4) The question is not clear : " Proof of having learnt the best time of > conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. " Who made > such speculation ? > > -VJ > > > <%40>, > astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > > > Members, > > > > if such a claim has been made it is strange, that someone can even > > appropriate Vedic deities, most of the so called advanced cultures decry > our > > Vedic culture on > > > > re-births esp in diff animate and inanimate forms based on our karmic > > balance sheet in the end of ones life and a Janama Patri is a opening > > balance of this life that comes from the close of the past life. good and > > bad this is continued for all our living forms and of all this Manava > Janma > > is Durlabha-a difficult one unless some good has been done in earlier > forms > > say animals at least the soul can't progress to human form and in this > again > > we have several levels of life > > be it well to do, poor, in a dignified or contented job, life sick or > > healthy etc again based on Karma > > > > and no other culture s to this so any claim is ridicilous and > > probably insulting their own culture who claim r superioor to vedic I am > > sure theeir masters esp religious ones will hang them from the nearest > lamp > > post > > > > again only vedic culture treated dissent , rebellion, betrayal, > subversion > > in a human way rarely was corpal punishment given Desha bhashkirana was > max > > in most > > > > examples like Galellio, sufferings cant be found for saying the truth > > > > we can find sage ramanujacharya being outlawed from tamil kingdoms and he > > went to Mysore regions and showed his worth there the Hyosala kingdom > that > > embraced him did give him a fresh lease of life the Belur, Halebidu > temples > > r priceless monmuents left by it > > > > but gallelo was tortured, and exterminated. tolerance is the breath of > Vedic > > culture. we differ but never crush others who differ > > > > Vedic culture alone has never invaded any country t o psread its fold. > but > > has withstood all invaders till date. > > > > this person may be living in self deception in giving credit to some or > any > > other culture on various limbs of vedic culture, including Jyotishya and > its > > elements. > > > > Prashant > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > I request for the following proofs , for which claims were presented by > > > a supposed to be Learned member of the group - > > > > > > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the > > > Indians knew it. > > > > > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior > to > > > the time, the Indians gained it. > > > > > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > > > > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after > speculations on > > > the Indian mythological stories. > > > > > > Since the claims were put up on this group, I request those who have > > > claimed so, to please put up supporting evidence here in the group > itself or > > > take back all your claims for the above. > > > > > > Any format would be understandable by the other learned members of the > > > group, is assured, if the evidence makes any sense. There should not be > any > > > reason now, to take this matter further on private exchanges, if there > is > > > some solid stuff available. If not, then its okay. Accept it. and leave > it. > > > > > > Another Deception I would like to quell. When we can talk of western > > > astrology and cultures on this group, then theres no reason not to talk > on > > > Western systems of prognostications. I assure we have enough knowledge > to > > > understand and discuss on those too, if the discussion is of some > sense, and > > > leads to betterment of our predictive techniques. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, Of course your Dear friend Marg had made all such claims. But I appreciate the proofs you have given. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Bhaskarji has not named who made such strange claims : > >>>> > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the Indians knew it. > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to the time, the Indians gained it. > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. > <<<< > > My answers are : > > 1) Vedic texts provide proofs about knowledge of tithis, eg, Darsha-paurnamaasa yajna, Raakaa, Kuhu, Sinivaali, etc, which are tithis. even if these texts are placed around 1500-1000 BC, we cannot find concrete evidence of tithi in other cultures before this date. > > 2) cf. http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+Houses , which makes it clear that horoscopic houses make contrasting pairs intrisically related to samkhya-yoga-vedanta philosophies, which proves that the very idea of 12-houses originated in India. > > 3) cf. http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha , where I have provided proofs of western dashaa system having been derived from Indian Vimshottari system. > > 4) The question is not clear : " Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on the Indian mythological stories. " Who made such speculation ? > > -VJ > > , astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > Members, > > > > if such a claim has been made it is strange, that someone can even > > appropriate Vedic deities, most of the so called advanced cultures decry our > > Vedic culture on > > > > re-births esp in diff animate and inanimate forms based on our karmic > > balance sheet in the end of ones life and a Janama Patri is a opening > > balance of this life that comes from the close of the past life. good and > > bad this is continued for all our living forms and of all this Manava Janma > > is Durlabha-a difficult one unless some good has been done in earlier forms > > say animals at least the soul can't progress to human form and in this again > > we have several levels of life > > be it well to do, poor, in a dignified or contented job, life sick or > > healthy etc again based on Karma > > > > and no other culture s to this so any claim is ridicilous and > > probably insulting their own culture who claim r superioor to vedic I am > > sure theeir masters esp religious ones will hang them from the nearest lamp > > post > > > > again only vedic culture treated dissent , rebellion, betrayal, subversion > > in a human way rarely was corpal punishment given Desha bhashkirana was max > > in most > > > > examples like Galellio, sufferings cant be found for saying the truth > > > > we can find sage ramanujacharya being outlawed from tamil kingdoms and he > > went to Mysore regions and showed his worth there the Hyosala kingdom that > > embraced him did give him a fresh lease of life the Belur, Halebidu temples > > r priceless monmuents left by it > > > > but gallelo was tortured, and exterminated. tolerance is the breath of Vedic > > culture. we differ but never crush others who differ > > > > Vedic culture alone has never invaded any country t o psread its fold. but > > has withstood all invaders till date. > > > > this person may be living in self deception in giving credit to some or any > > other culture on various limbs of vedic culture, including Jyotishya and its > > elements. > > > > Prashant > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > I request for the following proofs , for which claims were presented by > > > a supposed to be Learned member of the group - > > > > > > 1) Proof of the Tithis system having been known in the West before the > > > Indians knew it. > > > > > > 2) Proof that the Knowledge of astrology in other countries was prior to > > > the time, the Indians gained it. > > > > > > 3) Proof of the origin of Dasha system in the west. > > > > > > 4) Proof of having learnt the best time of conception after speculations on > > > the Indian mythological stories. > > > > > > Since the claims were put up on this group, I request those who have > > > claimed so, to please put up supporting evidence here in the group itself or > > > take back all your claims for the above. > > > > > > Any format would be understandable by the other learned members of the > > > group, is assured, if the evidence makes any sense. There should not be any > > > reason now, to take this matter further on private exchanges, if there is > > > some solid stuff available. If not, then its okay. Accept it. and leave it. > > > > > > Another Deception I would like to quell. When we can talk of western > > > astrology and cultures on this group, then theres no reason not to talk on > > > Western systems of prognostications. I assure we have enough knowledge to > > > understand and discuss on those too, if the discussion is of some sense, and > > > leads to betterment of our predictive techniques. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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