Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 To All: The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? Regards, John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Dear John, Great point. Beloved Goddesses have been empowered by their marriage, at the first place-power b e h i n d the throne. That speaks a volume. /It's a common knowledge, applied directly, with no ambiguity in vedic texts, that every woman has a power to influence her man/husband, spouse or mistress, alike. Sure they were beautiful! How far have we gone from that stereotype? /My beloved deity /from my religion/ for ex. is a saint, stands on her own, by herself: single, simply dressed, powerful, holding cross and a plant in hand..etc. I grew up in a strict patriarchal society, but with factual matriarchat inside the house walls: the rules have been equally strict and same, anyway/ Regards, Anna --- On Sat, 3/14/09, John <jr_esq wrote: John <jr_esq Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:52 PM To All: The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? Regards, John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Namaste Anna, You're giving us a different perspective, from a woman's viewpoint, in interpreting important archetypes in vedic literature. It is refreshing to hear another opinion which is actually complimentary to the teachings made by the male dominated guru profession in ancient and present India. >Beloved Goddesses have been empowered by their marriage, at the first place-power b e h i n d the throne. That speaks a volume. > Many of the major divine consorts in the vedic texts are actually the female versions of Vishnu, Brahma, and Shiva. But it would be arguable to say that Laksmi is the power behind Vishnu. That would totally confound the current interpretation of vedic studies. > /It's a common knowledge, applied directly, with no ambiguity in vedic texts, that every woman has a power to influence her man/husband, spouse or mistress, alike. Sure they were beautiful! > For most relationships, the woman is most likely the major force in keeping the relationship together, although men would prefer to think that they are providing the sustenance for the family. But from a larger perspective, the relationship is actually synergistic. One can say it is a codependent relationship. If it was not, that particular person involved would not be married, such as the sanyasi. > How far have we gone from that stereotype? > > /My beloved deity /from my religion/ for ex. is a saint, stands on her own, by herself: single, simply dressed, powerful, holding cross and a plant in hand..etc. I grew up in a strict patriarchal society, but with factual matriarchat inside the house walls: the rules have been equally strict and same, anyway/ > You're making an unusual point here that most people don't see or care to notice. In particular, virginity is relegated to nuns or women who cannot find a husband. But many fail to see the dignity, independence, freedom and holiness signified by virginity. There is wholeness involved in the lives of saints. Unfortunately most of us are still mere mortals when it comes to relationships. Thus, we experience the ever present challenges in the marriages of people today. Regards, John R. > Regards, > Anna > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, John <jr_esq wrote: > > John <jr_esq > Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:52 PM To All: > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear John and Anna, Namaste, An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other?// A story from Mahabharata goes like this: King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly temptations personified. With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a chart? A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the 11H. One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) before the final journey. Hope it makes sense. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for an interesting insight into the world of temptations! I totally agree with you about the role of 11th house as the temptress. I really missed your postings after I left AIA group. Thanks for posting here. Regards, Krishna --- On Sun, 15/3/09, neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106 wrote: neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106 Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 3:32 PM Dear John and Anna, Namaste, An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other?// A story from Mahabharata goes like this: King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly temptations personified. With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a chart? A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the 11H. One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) before the final journey. Hope it makes sense. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Neelamji, Hope you will permit me to extend your discussions a bit. If Brihaspati or Rahu occupies the 11th house, with their Dristi on the 7th house, will they not also have a bearing on the type of the real-life apsaras coming into one's life, forgetting for the moment the roles of the owners of the 11th and the 7th house? Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Re: Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:24 AM Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for an interesting insight into the world of temptations! I totally agree with you about the role of 11th house as the temptress. I really missed your postings after I left AIA group. Thanks for posting here. Regards, Krishna --- On Sun, 15/3/09, neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106@ > wrote: neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106@ > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 3:32 PM Dear John and Anna, Namaste, An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other?// A story from Mahabharata goes like this: King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly temptations personified. With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a chart? A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the 11H. One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) before the final journey. Hope it makes sense. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Krishna ji, Good to meet you on this list and thanks for your comments. Sunil ji, that may be interesting and worth noting, for not only the 7H, the duo would also take care of the 3H of efforts and initiative, thereby covering all the kaamsthansas for heightened desires. But we must not forget the challenge of 5H which is also activated by the two. 5H becomes crucial as it is 3rd to 3rd and 11th to 7th. It is in opposition to 11th and how much it will really support in getting those desires fulfilled will depend on the lordships only. It may lead to abortive attempts also. Whether one finally gets a real apsara or not, also then becomes an affair of previous karmas (5H). Regards Neelam ________________________________ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Sunday, 15 March, 2009 4:31:30 PM Re: Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Dear Neelamji, Hope you will permit me to extend your discussions a bit. If Brihaspati or Rahu occupies the 11th house, with their Dristi on the 7th house, will they not also have a bearing on the type of the real-life apsaras coming into one's life, forgetting for the moment the roles of the owners of the 11th and the 7th house? Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Re: Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:24 AM Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for an interesting insight into the world of temptations! I totally agree with you about the role of 11th house as the temptress. I really missed your postings after I left AIA group. Thanks for posting here. Regards, Krishna --- On Sun, 15/3/09, neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106@ > wrote: neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta106@ > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 3:32 PM Dear John and Anna, Namaste, An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other?// A story from Mahabharata goes like this: King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi.. He conjured up an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly temptations personified. With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a chart? A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the 11H. One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) before the final journey. Hope it makes sense. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 John, As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. RR , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > To All: > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > Regards, > > John R. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Rohini ji, " No evil dooms us hopelessly except the evil we love, and desire to continue in, and make no effort to escape from " , said Eliot I think. Yes, must check moon for inclinations. And then, may be Sun also, to find how much ration the soul is carrying for the current journey. Sudarshan Chakra would thus be a good idea for a weighted average. Final confirmation may be sought in navamsha. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear RRji, Bear with my intrusion in this healthy discussion. I have been following the thread with avid interest admiring the experience of the seniors. As a beginner myself I have to thank you for the consideration you made for our benefit in your mail. Thank you With regards SRB --- On Sun, 15/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 6:38 PM John, As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. RR , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > To All: > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > Regards, > > John R. > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear SRB, When a thought is shared in a public forum, it belongs to the forum in a sense and members can comment thus enriching the discussion and elaboration of the thought, without feeling intrusive or similar. Afterall, none of us 'own' these thoughts and techniques. We are all simply regurgitating what the Sages have already provided sometimes explicitly at other times implicitly. Regards, Rohiniranjan , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > Bear with my intrusion in this healthy discussion. I have been following the thread with avid interest admiring the experience of the seniors. As a beginner myself I have to thank you for the consideration you made for our benefit in your mail. Thank you > > With regards > SRB > > --- On Sun, 15/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 6:38 PM > > > > > > John, > > > > As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. > > > > As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. > > > > RR > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > > > > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Due to sensitive nature of the case only Sayana values are given and birthdata etc are being withheld. AS-15PI39 SU-29PI47 MO-09CN15 MA-13CP28 ME-14PI36 JU-22LE41® VE-14TA05 SA-02SG45® RA-10SG58 GK-17LI13 Sidereal notes (AY= -22d 17m 23s) Venus is placed in 11th from the moon. The individual had this idyllic dream and desire of finding love in life which marriage did not provide. In birthchart Darakarak is in 7th house and lord of 7th being placed in 8th from house gave marriage and a child but a certain lack of physical intimacy -- further vitiated by aspect of retrograde saturn (placed with rahu) from vrishchika and gulika in 7th kendra from lord of 7th (among other things). In the birthchart the 11th holds mars which is aspected by jupiter. Interestingly, jupiter aspects both the 11th from lagna and moon. During the ashtottari of mercury (AK) and sun she met a healthcare practitioner and during ME-mo visited him almost across the continent and gave in to temptation while experiencing what she later shared as having lived a dream though for only a very short time. Mars in the experiential chart (lagna) obviously made her dream come true even though for a short time and in rather clandestine a manner. Unfortunately, it heightened the desire and frustration and began eroding her marriage during ME-ma and further during the saturn dasha following. The temptation arose, and did get enacted upon with what some would say dire consequences all during the dasha of atmakaraka. The mental plane recollection lingered on as a sweet memory ... , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > Bear with my intrusion in this healthy discussion. I have been following the thread with avid interest admiring the experience of the seniors. As a beginner myself I have to thank you for the consideration you made for our benefit in your mail. Thank you > > With regards > SRB > > --- On Sun, 15/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 6:38 PM > > > > > > John, > > > > As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. > > > > As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. > > > > RR > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > > > > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Namaste Neelam and all members, Your analysis is excellent and presents a very analytical and intuitive perspective regarding this subject. We need to incorporate your ideas into our own analyses in similar cases with real people. I also appreciate the vedic story that you included which illustrates your point. Most people here, as I have, are probably familiar with this story which in itself is interesting at face value, and certainly includes many hidden or encoded meanings that we can try to decipher. In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a similar story about an apsara who appeared and got married to the son of Buddha, or Mercury. From this story, I attempted to triangulate where the karaka for an apsara would be considered. As explained below, I found that the karaka for the apsara would be found in the navamsha chart. Particularly, the planets in the 7th house from Mercury, or the lord of the 7th house from Mercury would be candidates for the apsara karaka(s). Accordingly, the strongest planet should be selected as the ideal karaka. This would refer to the planet that is exalted, swakshetra or strong by other condirations. Here's my rationale for the selection of the karaka: 1. In the rashi chart, the son of Mercury is the 5th house from Mercury itself. 2. The apsara or wife is the 11th house from Mercury, or the 7th house from the 5th house. This position is equivalent to the 91st navamsha from Mercury. 3. As one goes through the calculation, we will find that the 91st navamsha is located in the 7th house from Mercury in the navamsha chart. Thus, if the apsara karaka is located in the 5th or 7th house in the rashi chart, the person involved will experience a real world manifestation of an apsara in his life in the guise of a lover or wife. There are various correlaries to this observation and could be discussed further if there is an interest to do so. In conclusion, this proposal is theoretical and needs to be tested in several charts for validity. Regards, John R. , " neelamgupta106 " <neelamgupta106 wrote: > > > Dear John and Anna, > > > Namaste, > > An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... > > > //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart > is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be > considered as lovers, wives, or other?// > > > A story from Mahabharata goes like this: > > > King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force > of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up > an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material > might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a > rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, > left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract > him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When > Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka > and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. > Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist > Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With > whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn > into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again > dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond > temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. > > > Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence > fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in > sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. > Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy > and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The > confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly > desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly > temptations personified. > > > With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a > chart? > > A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. > 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H > also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to > different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live > till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! > > All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations > binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas > and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is > the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep > self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the > 11H. > > > One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, > power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically > thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) > before the final journey. > > > Hope it makes sense. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Namaste Rohini Ranjan, Yes, your observation is equally valid and an excellent addition to Neelam's ideas. Please, read my recent response to his post to find out about some other ideas that could be considered as potential karakas for an apsara. Let us know what you think. Regards, John R. , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > John, > > As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. > > As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. > > RR > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > To All: > > > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hi John, Thanks. I shall wait eagerly for you and others to test and try out your brilliant thought experiment-based rule. _Please keep us posted. Thanks. RR , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > Namaste Rohini Ranjan, > > Yes, your observation is equally valid and an excellent addition to Neelam's ideas. Please, read my recent response to his post to find out about some other ideas that could be considered as potential karakas for an apsara. > > Let us know what you think. > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > John, > > > > As Neelam Gupta ji has recently pointed out, the 11th house holds the key. I would suggest going a bit beyond the lagna kundali. Temptations are at the mental level (haven't been attained yet, still remaining in the zone of desire). The 11th house from the lunar chart (janma rashi kundali) can provide the hint with the differential between the Mo11 and Lg11 giving an idea about the discrepancy between desire and attainment. If Mo11 is stronger than Lg11, desires may overcome the individual though non-attainment may be the reality. > > > > As in all jyotish considerations, we cannot use this simply as a term from a look-up table but considerations of other influences which modulate the primary astro-correlation. This statement was not specifically for you because you may be doing that already, but for any beginner who may benefit from that reminder. > > > > RR > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > The recent discussion about gender issues reminds of the Apsaras in the vedic literature. From what we know, these apsaras are beautiful goddesses in Indra " s court. They're often portrayed as temptresses of aspiring rishis in ancient India. > > > > > > I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Neelam I thought this was quite brilliant as an explanation I could relate to actually. At one stage in my life I was torn between going on retreat (12H) at the hugely persuasive request of a rep of my spiritual teacher (5H), or staying where I was. My grandson had just been born, so how could I resist? Oh dear---failed that test, but happy about the choice nonetheless. A very good explanation Neelam! Thanks M - neelamgupta106 Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:02 AM Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Dear John and Anna, Namaste, An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be considered as lovers, wives, or other?// A story from Mahabharata goes like this: King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly temptations personified. With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a chart? A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the 11H. One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) before the final journey. Hope it makes sense. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Marg, That was a cute temptation! ...an innate desire of human form, transmutable into a supportive aspect of our being? But overstretching is not allowed!!! Regards Neelam 2009/3/16 Marg <margie9 > Dear Neelam > I thought this was quite brilliant as an explanation I could relate to > actually. At one stage in my life I was torn between going on retreat (12H) > at the hugely persuasive request of a rep of my spiritual teacher (5H), or > staying where I was. My grandson had just been born, so how could I resist? > Oh dear---failed that test, but happy about the choice nonetheless. > A very good explanation Neelam! Thanks > M > > > - > neelamgupta106 > <%40> > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:02 AM > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > Dear John and Anna, > > Namaste, > > An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... > > //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart > is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be > considered as lovers, wives, or other?// > > A story from Mahabharata goes like this: > > King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force > of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up > an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material > might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a > rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, > left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract > him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When > Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka > and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. > Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist > Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With > whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn > into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again > dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond > temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. > > Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence > fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in > sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. > Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy > and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The > confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly > desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly > temptations personified. > > With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a > chart? > > A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. > 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H > also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to > different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live > till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! > > All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations > binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas > and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is > the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep > self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the > 11H. > > One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, > power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically > thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) > before the final journey. > > Hope it makes sense. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Unless ... one obliterates one's SELF through total devotion as the example of Meera Bai tells us! Anything is possible, of course if the soul is sincere...! , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Marg, > > That was a cute temptation! ...an innate desire of human form, transmutable > into a supportive aspect of our being? But overstretching is not allowed!!! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/3/16 Marg <margie9 > > > Dear Neelam > > I thought this was quite brilliant as an explanation I could relate to > > actually. At one stage in my life I was torn between going on retreat (12H) > > at the hugely persuasive request of a rep of my spiritual teacher (5H), or > > staying where I was. My grandson had just been born, so how could I resist? > > Oh dear---failed that test, but happy about the choice nonetheless. > > A very good explanation Neelam! Thanks > > M > > > > > > - > > neelamgupta106 > > <%40> > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:02 AM > > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > > > Dear John and Anna, > > > > Namaste, > > > > An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... > > > > //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart > > is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be > > considered as lovers, wives, or other?// > > > > A story from Mahabharata goes like this: > > > > King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force > > of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up > > an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material > > might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a > > rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, > > left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract > > him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When > > Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka > > and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. > > Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist > > Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With > > whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn > > into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again > > dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond > > temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. > > > > Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence > > fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in > > sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. > > Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy > > and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The > > confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly > > desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly > > temptations personified. > > > > With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a > > chart? > > > > A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. > > 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H > > also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to > > different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live > > till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! > > > > All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations > > binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas > > and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is > > the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep > > self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the > > 11H. > > > > One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, > > power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically > > thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) > > before the final journey. > > > > Hope it makes sense. > > > > Best Regards > > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Yes but don't forget, Jug is karaka for both guru and babies:-) - neelam gupta Monday, March 16, 2009 1:23 PM Re: Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Dear Marg, That was a cute temptation! ...an innate desire of human form, transmutable into a supportive aspect of our being? But overstretching is not allowed!!! Regards Neelam 2009/3/16 Marg <margie9 > Dear Neelam > I thought this was quite brilliant as an explanation I could relate to > actually. At one stage in my life I was torn between going on retreat (12H) > at the hugely persuasive request of a rep of my spiritual teacher (5H), or > staying where I was. My grandson had just been born, so how could I resist? > Oh dear---failed that test, but happy about the choice nonetheless. > A very good explanation Neelam! Thanks > M > > > - > neelamgupta106 > <%40> > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:02 AM > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > Dear John and Anna, > > Namaste, > > An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... > > //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart > is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be > considered as lovers, wives, or other?// > > A story from Mahabharata goes like this: > > King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force > of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up > an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material > might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a > rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, > left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract > him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When > Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka > and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. > Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist > Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With > whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn > into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again > dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond > temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. > > Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence > fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in > sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. > Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy > and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The > confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly > desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly > temptations personified. > > With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a > chart? > > A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. > 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H > also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to > different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live > till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! > > All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations > binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas > and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is > the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep > self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the > 11H. > > One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, > power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically > thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) > before the final journey. > > Hope it makes sense. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Love is divine:-) - Rohiniranjan Friday, March 27, 2009 1:47 AM Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish Unless ... one obliterates one's SELF through total devotion as the example of Meera Bai tells us! Anything is possible, of course if the soul is sincere...! , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Marg, > > That was a cute temptation! ...an innate desire of human form, transmutable > into a supportive aspect of our being? But overstretching is not allowed!!! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/3/16 Marg <margie9 > > > Dear Neelam > > I thought this was quite brilliant as an explanation I could relate to > > actually. At one stage in my life I was torn between going on retreat (12H) > > at the hugely persuasive request of a rep of my spiritual teacher (5H), or > > staying where I was. My grandson had just been born, so how could I resist? > > Oh dear---failed that test, but happy about the choice nonetheless. > > A very good explanation Neelam! Thanks > > M > > > > > > - > > neelamgupta106 > > <%40> > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:02 AM > > Re: Apsaras and their Role in Jyotish > > > > Dear John and Anna, > > > > Namaste, > > > > An interesting topic for discussion. Thought of pitching in... > > > > //I am curious to know as to how does one see which planet in the chart > > is playing this apsara role, if at all? That is, should the apsaras be > > considered as lovers, wives, or other?// > > > > A story from Mahabharata goes like this: > > > > King Kaushika tried to steal Sage Vashishtha's cow Nandini by force > > of arms. The sage fought back with his power of siddhi. He conjured up > > an army from thin air and defeated the king. Realising that material > > might was no match for spiritual prowess, Kaushika decided to become a > > rishi, and more powerful than sage Vashishtha. He renounced his kingdom, > > left for the forest and and began practicing austerities. To distract > > him, Indra sent the apsara Menaka, who succeeded in seducing him. When > > Kaushika realized how he's been tricked, he turned away from Menaka > > and resumed his austerities. Indra then sent the another apsara Rambha. > > Kaushika had acquired enough control over his senses to resist > > Rambha's charms, but not adequate restraint over his rage. With > > whatever spiritual prowess he had gathered. He cursed Rambha to turn > > into a stone. Undaunted, he resumed his austerities and Indra again > > dispatched another set of nymphs, but this time Kaushika was beyond > > temptations and vices. He conquered his mind and became a great rishi. > > > > Menaka tempts sexually, Rambha goads him into violence. Sex and violence > > fetter all creatures in space-time continuum. An individual indulges in > > sex for self-propagation and gives in to violence for self-preservation. > > Thus sex and violence maintain the integrity of samsara whereas celibacy > > and non-violence form the cornerstone of monastic orders. The > > confrontation of Rishis and apsaras is thus a confrontation of worldly > > desires and other-worldly aspirations. Apsaras are the worldly > > temptations personified. > > > > With this background, we may come to the point of locating apsaras in a > > chart? > > > > A planet/planets in 11H in general indicates the apsaras of our life. > > 11H is the roadblock for entering the 12H for final emancipation. 11H > > also causes the loss of 12 house affairs (termination of life) due to > > different reasons. Heard about the old grandpa who has a desire to live > > till his grandson gets married or till he sees his great grand child!!! > > > > All cumulative gains are in 11H, which themselves become the temptations > > binding us to samsara. This is the dangerous bridge between our karmas > > and liberation. Think of the lord which is connected with 11H. That is > > the apsara. Often children, grandchildren become the apsaras to keep > > self in samsara. 5H is the challenge one needs to overcome to clear the > > 11H. > > > > One can think of many challenges in the form of money, name and fame, > > power, women, affairs, children, friends, social circle, etc, basically > > thrown by life to overcome our shad ripus (11H is sookshm house of 6th) > > before the final journey. > > > > Hope it makes sense. > > > > Best Regards > > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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