Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 1:38 PM Dear Marg, Ah, I agree with you, it's hard if you don't know the person, participate in his life, to fully understand which factor is decisive in some major turning-point. With Ketu even more difficult. For that reason I mentioned my family, although I normally refuse to do that, except about myself ( talking/doing/discussing/sharing anything astrological). I believe in power of spoken word, and tend to be very careful /fearful/ not to use strong words when doing any consultation. Besides, there is vast amount of what we don't know, are not suppossed to know I guess, newly accumulated power of knowledge, faith, we acquire in this life-time, the ocean that powerfully affects and alters events we may see in any given chart, no matter how skillful and intuitive an astrologer can be. What clearly shows up in a simple life of a 'simple' person, may be, and IS, altered in life /sometimes in some major way/of more complex person. Let me give you an example: power of prayer. Done with the passion and devotion of every cell of the body/mind , million times more energized than simple 'desire', 'gratitude', doesn't leave anything in the same order as it used to be. Repeat it million times, and you have the same chart 'rewritten', for the lack of better word. Please forgive me for oversimplifying, I am just trying to articulate what I deeply believe in. /Please note, this has nothing to do with 'new-agers'BS, quick-fix methods, blame game we've been overwhelmed with/. Another example is art: creation, consumption- exaltation, bigger-than-life uplifting - don't you think it changes matrix of our set-up? I am not talking here about any addiction, of course. Sorry about my rambling- just got carried away. Over simple think 'keep family away from astrology'. LOL! Let's go back to astrology. My brother's Mars/ketu conjunction is in Libra /plus Rahu/Moon in Ar!/, my mother's conjunction /in 5th/ is in Libra, in Swati. My Mars is there, in Swati, too- it seems to me sometimes that my brother had overtaken generational bad karma, and 'decided' to suffer instead of all of us. And what suffering that is! Unfortunately his Me is there too. When I hear psycho BS/I am a clinical Psy, btw/ that nobody is the victim, nor martyr.. Accident prone from an early age, on the wrong place at the wrong time, too often to be coincidence, how could he possibly have prevented anything. Born in educated, well-of, mostly joyful, fun-loving, art-loving generally good and supportive family! He bears his cross with dignity, but with no joy, zest for life- he seems to like art- and funeral-rites!big way! My mother /80/with the same combination is very healthy, lucky, energetic-the only 'curse' is her son. My chart: the same pattern, but planets in trine/sextile. What kind of karma /from mother's side/ is that? I feel that's much luckier comb. than conj. I've been in Mars MD- YK of a dubious nature, as they say- except for the beginning /as mars' natural significations tend to show at the begging, and Saturn's at the end/, the rest of time it has been Ok, by now. Ominous Rahu MD is coming- will it pick-up Mars/Rahu energy /they are conjunct in Navamsa, since they are in trine in Rashi/, or will it pick up Mars YK significations, as per what we've learned?My Rahu is in Aq in 8th. Yes, I also think that Rahu rules Kumba. /Sturn in 3rd and Jupiter 'shines' on it/ You asked me about Rahu last year, and contact with foreigners. I live in Canada, entire family and friens in Europe-on which side of the ocen live my 'foreigners', I have no clue! I live with foreigners most of my life!Last year was good, financially as well, but in TP 2008 I had Gaya-Kesary Yoga plus Venus on lagna, Rahu in 3rd, so I cannot see clear connection with Rahu. Regards, Anna Hi Anna Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's nice. Thankyou for your kind comments. It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do let us know. Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly. I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa. Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and Ju) in future. Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too? The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any relationship to Venus? Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart? I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a Cancer asc, like yours. Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect? How did your transit in eighth go last year? very best wishes M - sar108 Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own chart, I guess. Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery, /BTW Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/ Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious, sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict it's effects. What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction. My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire? I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway- Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much, except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Anna --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM Actually B I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of them if you or anyone is interested I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts. Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against. kind regards M - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Smt Marg' Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury). With warm regards SRB --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM Dear SRB I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those special positions. However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings confirm this. Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted. The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus. One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a direction for you to go in. kind regards Margaret - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear gurujis, We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence? Kindly guide me on this. With best regards SRB. (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Dear Marg, Ah, I agree with you, it's hard if you don't know the person, participate in his life, to fully understand which factor is decisive in some major turning-point. With Ketu even more difficult. For that reason I mentioned my family, although I normally refuse to do that, except about myself ( talking/doing/ discussing/ sharing anything astrological) . I believe in power of spoken word, and tend to be very careful /fearful/ not to use strong words when doing any consultation. Besides, there is vast amount of what we don't know, are not suppossed to know I guess, newly accumulated power of knowledge, faith, we acquire in this life-time, the ocean that powerfully affects and alters events we may see in any given chart, no matter how skillful and intuitive an astrologer can be. What clearly shows up in a simple life of a 'simple' person, may be, and IS, altered in life /sometimes in some major way/of more complex person. Let me give you an example: power of prayer. Done with the passion and devotion of every cell of the body/mind , million times more energized than simple 'desire', 'gratitude ', doesn't leave anything in the same order as it used to be. Repeat it million times, and you have the same chart 'rewritten', for the lack of better word. Please forgive me for oversimplifying, I am just trying to articulate what I deeply believe in. /Please note, this has nothing to do with 'new-agers'BS, quick-fix methods, blame game we've been overwhelmed with/. Another example is art: creation, consumption- exaltation, bigger-than- life uplifting - don't you think it changes matrix of our set-up? I am not talking here about any addiction, of course. Sorry about my rambling- just got carried away. Over simple think 'keep family away from astrology'. LOL! Let's go back to astrology. My brother's Mars/ketu conjunction is in Libra /plus Rahu/Moon in Ar!/, my mother's conjunction /in 5th/ is in Libra, in Swati. My Mars is there, in Swati, too- it seems to me sometimes that my brother had overtaken generation al bad karma, and 'decided' to suffer instead of all of us. And what suffering that is! Unfortunately his Me is there too. When I hear psycho BS/I am a clinical Psy, btw/ that nobody is the victim, nor martyr.. Accident prone from an early age, on the wrong place at the wrong time, too often to be coincidence, how could he possibly have prevented anything. Born in educated, well-of, mostly joyful, fun-loving, art-loving generally good and supportive family! He bears his cross with dignity, but with no joy, zest for life- he seems to like art- and funeral-rites! big way! My mother /80/with the same combination is very healthy, lucky, energetic-the only 'curse' is her son. My chart: the same pattern, but planets in trine/sextile. What kind of karma /from mother's side/ is that? I feel that's much luckier comb. than conj. I've been in Mars MD- YK of a dubious nature, as they say- except for the beginning /as mars' natural significations tend to show at the begging, and Saturn's at the end/, the rest of time it has been Ok, by now. Ominous Rahu MD is coming- will it pick-up Mars/ Rahu energy /they are conjunct in Navamsa, since they are in trine in Rashi/, or will it pick up Mars YK significations, as per what we've learned?My Rahu is in Aq in 8th. Yes, I also think that Rahu rules Kumba. /Sturn in 3rd and Jupiter 'shines' on it/ You asked me about Rahu last year, and contact with foreigners. I live in Canada, entire family and friens in Europe-on which side of the ocen live my 'foreigners' , I have no clue! I live with foreigners most of my life!Last year was good, financially as well, but in TP 2008 I had Gaya-Kesary Yoga plus Venus on lagna, Rahu in 3rd, so I cannot see clear connection with Rahu. Regards, Anna Hi Anna Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's nice. Thankyou for your kind comments. It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do let us know. Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly. I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa. Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and Ju) in future. Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too? The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any relationship to Venus? Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart? I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a Cancer asc, like yours. Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect? How did your transit in eighth go last year? very best wishes M - sar108 Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own chart, I guess. Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery, /BTW Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/ Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious, sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict it's effects. What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction. My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire? I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway- Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much, except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Anna --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM Actually B I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of them if you or anyone is interested I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts. Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against. kind regards M - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Smt Marg' Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury). With warm regards SRB --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM Dear SRB I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those special positions. However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings confirm this. Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted. The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus. One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a direction for you to go in. kind regards Margaret - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear gurujis, We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence? Kindly guide me on this. With best regards SRB. (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hello Anna I think your mother is lucky to have a sensitive soul such as yours to help with the difficulties. Yes Rahu does confound and disturb as well as give challenges to our understanding. Mars seems to set many family challenges also, which must be emotionally challenging as well. I think in family affairs astrology can help understand chemical reactions, when everything else isn't 'working' in ways we expect or would like, and does help uplift understanding and give insight into what can often seem overwhelmingly complex. Yes I remember we discussed Rahu last year, though the list was a little over 'energised' in some ways at that time I think. My family tend to have Jupiter connections on my mothers side, rather than mars, but she did have Mars with Rahu which none of us 'inherited' but it was an energy she needed during the war torn years of her life. Mars in many charts I see, is often powerful in healers charts. The most powerful Mars I ever saw in shad bala strength, belonged to a very special nurse with the most amazing energy emanating from her. Healing would seem to be a feature of your family connections? love and light M - sar108 Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:21 AM Re: Ketu/Rahu/power --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 1:38 PM Dear Marg, Ah, I agree with you, it's hard if you don't know the person, participate in his life, to fully understand which factor is decisive in some major turning-point. With Ketu even more difficult. For that reason I mentioned my family, although I normally refuse to do that, except about myself ( talking/doing/discussing/sharing anything astrological). I believe in power of spoken word, and tend to be very careful /fearful/ not to use strong words when doing any consultation. Besides, there is vast amount of what we don't know, are not suppossed to know I guess, newly accumulated power of knowledge, faith, we acquire in this life-time, the ocean that powerfully affects and alters events we may see in any given chart, no matter how skillful and intuitive an astrologer can be. What clearly shows up in a simple life of a 'simple' person, may be, and IS, altered in life /sometimes in some major way/of more complex person. Let me give you an example: power of prayer. Done with the passion and devotion of every cell of the body/mind , million times more energized than simple 'desire', 'gratitude', doesn't leave anything in the same order as it used to be. Repeat it million times, and you have the same chart 'rewritten', for the lack of better word. Please forgive me for oversimplifying, I am just trying to articulate what I deeply believe in. /Please note, this has nothing to do with 'new-agers'BS, quick-fix methods, blame game we've been overwhelmed with/. Another example is art: creation, consumption- exaltation, bigger-than-life uplifting - don't you think it changes matrix of our set-up? I am not talking here about any addiction, of course. Sorry about my rambling- just got carried away. Over simple think 'keep family away from astrology'. LOL! Let's go back to astrology. My brother's Mars/ketu conjunction is in Libra /plus Rahu/Moon in Ar!/, my mother's conjunction /in 5th/ is in Libra, in Swati. My Mars is there, in Swati, too- it seems to me sometimes that my brother had overtaken generational bad karma, and 'decided' to suffer instead of all of us. And what suffering that is! Unfortunately his Me is there too. When I hear psycho BS/I am a clinical Psy, btw/ that nobody is the victim, nor martyr.. Accident prone from an early age, on the wrong place at the wrong time, too often to be coincidence, how could he possibly have prevented anything. Born in educated, well-of, mostly joyful, fun-loving, art-loving generally good and supportive family! He bears his cross with dignity, but with no joy, zest for life- he seems to like art- and funeral-rites!big way! My mother /80/with the same combination is very healthy, lucky, energetic-the only 'curse' is her son. My chart: the same pattern, but planets in trine/sextile. What kind of karma /from mother's side/ is that? I feel that's much luckier comb. than conj. I've been in Mars MD- YK of a dubious nature, as they say- except for the beginning /as mars' natural significations tend to show at the begging, and Saturn's at the end/, the rest of time it has been Ok, by now. Ominous Rahu MD is coming- will it pick-up Mars/Rahu energy /they are conjunct in Navamsa, since they are in trine in Rashi/, or will it pick up Mars YK significations, as per what we've learned?My Rahu is in Aq in 8th. Yes, I also think that Rahu rules Kumba. /Sturn in 3rd and Jupiter 'shines' on it/ You asked me about Rahu last year, and contact with foreigners. I live in Canada, entire family and friens in Europe-on which side of the ocen live my 'foreigners', I have no clue! I live with foreigners most of my life!Last year was good, financially as well, but in TP 2008 I had Gaya-Kesary Yoga plus Venus on lagna, Rahu in 3rd, so I cannot see clear connection with Rahu. Regards, Anna Hi Anna Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's nice. Thankyou for your kind comments. It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do let us know. Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly. I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa. Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and Ju) in future. Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too? The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any relationship to Venus? Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart? I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a Cancer asc, like yours. Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect? How did your transit in eighth go last year? very best wishes M - sar108 Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own chart, I guess. Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery, /BTW Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/ Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious, sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict it's effects. What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction. My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire? I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway- Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much, except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Anna --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM Actually B I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of them if you or anyone is interested I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts. Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against. kind regards M - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Smt Marg' Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury). With warm regards SRB --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM Dear SRB I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those special positions. However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings confirm this. Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted. The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus. One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a direction for you to go in. kind regards Margaret - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear gurujis, We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence? Kindly guide me on this. With best regards SRB. (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing your insights. " Healing would seem to be a feature of your family connections? " - yes, indeed. We also share strong Jupiter /aspect Moon/, I believe that contributed too. /as well as to longevity which runs in the family- I may be an exception in that deptmnt.?/ But, why Mars, I still ponder. Isn't he too selfish? Erratic? I actually believe that in a chart with prominent Ju, it's good to have some difficult aspects, to 'activate' that Ju, prevent him from getting lazy. I consider them as 'character builders'. In fact, I have yet to see 'trinal person' able to sustain and manifest that potential goodness she's been theoretically given. Unmanifested goodness is spoiled one- latent only. Again, life is not meant to be easy, we need challenges to give us better 'shape'- suffering is such a great teacher. I've also noticed Mars/Rahu connections among high achievers/ those with doctoral degree have that combo as a rule. Perhaps it gives drive, extraordinary persistence. Ketu is more elusive to me. It's supposed to be, isn't it? LOL! I don't know if you researched Yogi-Ava Yogi issue? Regards, Anna --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Ketu/Rahu/power Monday, March 16, 2009, 6:18 AM Hello Anna I think your mother is lucky to have a sensitive soul such as yours to help with the difficulties. Yes Rahu does confound and disturb as well as give challenges to our understanding. Mars seems to set many family challenges also, which must be emotionally challenging as well. I think in family affairs astrology can help understand chemical reactions, when everything else isn't 'working' in ways we expect or would like, and does help uplift understanding and give insight into what can often seem overwhelmingly complex. Yes I remember we discussed Rahu last year, though the list was a little over 'energised' in some ways at that time I think. My family tend to have Jupiter connections on my mothers side, rather than mars, but she did have Mars with Rahu which none of us 'inherited' but it was an energy she needed during the war torn years of her life. Mars in many charts I see, is often powerful in healers charts. The most powerful Mars I ever saw in shad bala strength, belonged to a very special nurse with the most amazing energy emanating from her. Healing would seem to be a feature of your family connections? love and light M - sar108 Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:21 AM Re: Ketu/Rahu/power --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 1:38 PM Dear Marg, Ah, I agree with you, it's hard if you don't know the person, participate in his life, to fully understand which factor is decisive in some major turning-point. With Ketu even more difficult. For that reason I mentioned my family, although I normally refuse to do that, except about myself ( talking/doing/ discussing/ sharing anything astrological) . I believe in power of spoken word, and tend to be very careful /fearful/ not to use strong words when doing any consultation. Besides, there is vast amount of what we don't know, are not suppossed to know I guess, newly accumulated power of knowledge, faith, we acquire in this life-time, the ocean that powerfully affects and alters events we may see in any given chart, no matter how skillful and intuitive an astrologer can be. What clearly shows up in a simple life of a 'simple' person, may be, and IS, altered in life /sometimes in some major way/of more complex person. Let me give you an example: power of prayer. Done with the passion and devotion of every cell of the body/mind , million times more energized than simple 'desire', 'gratitude', doesn't leave anything in the same order as it used to be. Repeat it million times, and you have the same chart 'rewritten', for the lack of better word. Please forgive me for oversimplifying, I am just trying to articulate what I deeply believe in. /Please note, this has nothing to do with 'new-agers'BS, quick-fix methods, blame game we've been overwhelmed with/. Another example is art: creation, consumption- exaltation, bigger-than- life uplifting - don't you think it changes matrix of our set-up? I am not talking here about any addiction, of course. Sorry about my rambling- just got carried away. Over simple think 'keep family away from astrology'. LOL! Let's go back to astrology. My brother's Mars/ketu conjunction is in Libra /plus Rahu/Moon in Ar!/, my mother's conjunction /in 5th/ is in Libra, in Swati. My Mars is there, in Swati, too- it seems to me sometimes that my brother had overtaken generational bad karma, and 'decided' to suffer instead of all of us. And what suffering that is! Unfortunately his Me is there too. When I hear psycho BS/I am a clinical Psy, btw/ that nobody is the victim, nor martyr.. Accident prone from an early age, on the wrong place at the wrong time, too often to be coincidence, how could he possibly have prevented anything. Born in educated, well-of, mostly joyful, fun-loving, art-loving generally good and supportive family! He bears his cross with dignity, but with no joy, zest for life- he seems to like art- and funeral-rites! big way! My mother /80/with the same combination is very healthy, lucky, energetic-the only 'curse' is her son. My chart: the same pattern, but planets in trine/sextile. What kind of karma /from mother's side/ is that? I feel that's much luckier comb. than conj. I've been in Mars MD- YK of a dubious nature, as they say- except for the beginning /as mars' natural significations tend to show at the begging, and Saturn's at the end/, the rest of time it has been Ok, by now. Ominous Rahu MD is coming- will it pick-up Mars/Rahu energy /they are conjunct in Navamsa, since they are in trine in Rashi/, or will it pick up Mars YK significations, as per what we've learned?My Rahu is in Aq in 8th. Yes, I also think that Rahu rules Kumba. /Sturn in 3rd and Jupiter 'shines' on it/ You asked me about Rahu last year, and contact with foreigners. I live in Canada, entire family and friens in Europe-on which side of the ocen live my 'foreigners' , I have no clue! I live with foreigners most of my life!Last year was good, financially as well, but in TP 2008 I had Gaya-Kesary Yoga plus Venus on lagna, Rahu in 3rd, so I cannot see clear connection with Rahu. Regards, Anna Hi Anna Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's nice. Thankyou for your kind comments. It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do let us know. Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly. I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa. Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and Ju) in future. Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too? The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any relationship to Venus? Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart? I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a Cancer asc, like yours. Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect? How did your transit in eighth go last year? very best wishes M - sar108 Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own chart, I guess. Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery, /BTW Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/ Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious, sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict it's effects. What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction. My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire? I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway- Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much, except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Anna --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM Actually B I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of them if you or anyone is interested I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts. Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against. kind regards M - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Smt Marg' Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury). With warm regards SRB --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM Dear SRB I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those special positions. However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings confirm this. Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted. The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus. One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a direction for you to go in. kind regards Margaret - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear gurujis, We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence? Kindly guide me on this. With best regards SRB. (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 HI Anna Did you query why Mars family connection or why Mars healing? I think Mars is pure energy, the 'pulse' of life and karaka for third for courage, drive, determination, dynamism and vitality. People with healing ability have huge amounts of vitality which is why they are so good to be near at times of illness when our own reserves can be blocked or low. I think Mars can become selfish/erratic if energy is not used properly due to blocks which can be seen in the chart. I tend to think people with very strong Mars destined to work in the healing field have earned the high capacity Mars can bestow due to learning to use their energy for the good of others. Certainly the people I have encountered with this highly tuned Mars have been very determined to reach out to others rather than focus on themselves---perhaps you are being too hard on yourself? Of course things can go wrong even in this life, depending on the character and integrity of the person concerned, but then we don't know that it was destiny that intended the 'wrong' turn or not I don't think. The same with Jupiter, or any planet, I tend to believe we are born with planetary strengths we earned prior to birth. I do think that life should be lived with ease and grace, as that state of being is often when we make our best decisions and undertake the best actions also.We tend to do the opposite under too much stress and when pressures are too much. Do you find that people with trinal aspects need to pay more attention to hidden perhaps more testing aspects which might not be about character building but might be about other aspects of soul development and spiritual growth? I haven't studied the Yogi-ava yoga issue but would be very interested to hear anything you may have to say about it. very warm wishes M - sar108 Monday, March 16, 2009 3:48 PM Re: Ketu/Rahu/power Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing your insights. " Healing would seem to be a feature of your family connections? " - yes, indeed. We also share strong Jupiter /aspect Moon/, I believe that contributed too. /as well as to longevity which runs in the family- I may be an exception in that deptmnt.?/ But, why Mars, I still ponder. Isn't he too selfish? Erratic? I actually believe that in a chart with prominent Ju, it's good to have some difficult aspects, to 'activate' that Ju, prevent him from getting lazy. I consider them as 'character builders'. In fact, I have yet to see 'trinal person' able to sustain and manifest that potential goodness she's been theoretically given. Unmanifested goodness is spoiled one- latent only. Again, life is not meant to be easy, we need challenges to give us better 'shape'- suffering is such a great teacher. I've also noticed Mars/Rahu connections among high achievers/ those with doctoral degree have that combo as a rule. Perhaps it gives drive, extraordinary persistence. Ketu is more elusive to me. It's supposed to be, isn't it? LOL! I don't know if you researched Yogi-Ava Yogi issue? Regards, Anna --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Ketu/Rahu/power Monday, March 16, 2009, 6:18 AM Hello Anna I think your mother is lucky to have a sensitive soul such as yours to help with the difficulties. Yes Rahu does confound and disturb as well as give challenges to our understanding. Mars seems to set many family challenges also, which must be emotionally challenging as well. I think in family affairs astrology can help understand chemical reactions, when everything else isn't 'working' in ways we expect or would like, and does help uplift understanding and give insight into what can often seem overwhelmingly complex. Yes I remember we discussed Rahu last year, though the list was a little over 'energised' in some ways at that time I think. My family tend to have Jupiter connections on my mothers side, rather than mars, but she did have Mars with Rahu which none of us 'inherited' but it was an energy she needed during the war torn years of her life. Mars in many charts I see, is often powerful in healers charts. The most powerful Mars I ever saw in shad bala strength, belonged to a very special nurse with the most amazing energy emanating from her. Healing would seem to be a feature of your family connections? love and light M - sar108 Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:21 AM Re: Ketu/Rahu/power --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 1:38 PM Dear Marg, Ah, I agree with you, it's hard if you don't know the person, participate in his life, to fully understand which factor is decisive in some major turning-point. With Ketu even more difficult. For that reason I mentioned my family, although I normally refuse to do that, except about myself ( talking/doing/ discussing/ sharing anything astrological) . I believe in power of spoken word, and tend to be very careful /fearful/ not to use strong words when doing any consultation. Besides, there is vast amount of what we don't know, are not suppossed to know I guess, newly accumulated power of knowledge, faith, we acquire in this life-time, the ocean that powerfully affects and alters events we may see in any given chart, no matter how skillful and intuitive an astrologer can be. What clearly shows up in a simple life of a 'simple' person, may be, and IS, altered in life /sometimes in some major way/of more complex person. Let me give you an example: power of prayer. Done with the passion and devotion of every cell of the body/mind , million times more energized than simple 'desire', 'gratitude', doesn't leave anything in the same order as it used to be. Repeat it million times, and you have the same chart 'rewritten', for the lack of better word. Please forgive me for oversimplifying, I am just trying to articulate what I deeply believe in. /Please note, this has nothing to do with 'new-agers'BS, quick-fix methods, blame game we've been overwhelmed with/. Another example is art: creation, consumption- exaltation, bigger-than- life uplifting - don't you think it changes matrix of our set-up? I am not talking here about any addiction, of course. Sorry about my rambling- just got carried away. Over simple think 'keep family away from astrology'. LOL! Let's go back to astrology. My brother's Mars/ketu conjunction is in Libra /plus Rahu/Moon in Ar!/, my mother's conjunction /in 5th/ is in Libra, in Swati. My Mars is there, in Swati, too- it seems to me sometimes that my brother had overtaken generational bad karma, and 'decided' to suffer instead of all of us. And what suffering that is! Unfortunately his Me is there too. When I hear psycho BS/I am a clinical Psy, btw/ that nobody is the victim, nor martyr.. Accident prone from an early age, on the wrong place at the wrong time, too often to be coincidence, how could he possibly have prevented anything. Born in educated, well-of, mostly joyful, fun-loving, art-loving generally good and supportive family! He bears his cross with dignity, but with no joy, zest for life- he seems to like art- and funeral-rites! big way! My mother /80/with the same combination is very healthy, lucky, energetic-the only 'curse' is her son. My chart: the same pattern, but planets in trine/sextile. What kind of karma /from mother's side/ is that? I feel that's much luckier comb. than conj. I've been in Mars MD- YK of a dubious nature, as they say- except for the beginning /as mars' natural significations tend to show at the begging, and Saturn's at the end/, the rest of time it has been Ok, by now. Ominous Rahu MD is coming- will it pick-up Mars/Rahu energy /they are conjunct in Navamsa, since they are in trine in Rashi/, or will it pick up Mars YK significations, as per what we've learned?My Rahu is in Aq in 8th. Yes, I also think that Rahu rules Kumba. /Sturn in 3rd and Jupiter 'shines' on it/ You asked me about Rahu last year, and contact with foreigners. I live in Canada, entire family and friens in Europe-on which side of the ocen live my 'foreigners' , I have no clue! I live with foreigners most of my life!Last year was good, financially as well, but in TP 2008 I had Gaya-Kesary Yoga plus Venus on lagna, Rahu in 3rd, so I cannot see clear connection with Rahu. Regards, Anna Hi Anna Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's nice. Thankyou for your kind comments. It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do let us know. Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly. I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa. Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and Ju) in future. Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too? The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any relationship to Venus? Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart? I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a Cancer asc, like yours. Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect? How did your transit in eighth go last year? very best wishes M - sar108 Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Marg, Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own chart, I guess. Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery, /BTW Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/ Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious, sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict it's effects. What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction. My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire? I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway- Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much, except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Anna --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM Actually B I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of them if you or anyone is interested I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts. Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against. kind regards M - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear Smt Marg' Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury). With warm regards SRB --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM Dear SRB I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those special positions. However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings confirm this. Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted. The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus. One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a direction for you to go in. kind regards Margaret - Balasubramaniam Ramachandran Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance Dear gurujis, We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence? Kindly guide me on this. With best regards SRB. (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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