re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

March 13, 2009

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in

divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting

such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these

two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these

poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence

of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIAM)

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March 13, 2009

What makes you assume that BPHS was an original text?

What do you mean by ORIGINAL text?

When did the ORAL tradition as it is known, actually start?

Do you know and can you share please?

, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46

wrote:

>

> Dear gurujis,

>

> We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa

in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting

such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these

two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these

poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence

of maleficence?

> Kindly guide me on this.

>

> With best regards

> SRB.

> (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIAM)

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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>

March 13, 2009

Dear Shri RR,

The members in this list normally follow the BPHS and take it as a

best reference and discuss very important issues. Hence I presume that the BPHS

has the qualifications of taking as a reference. Do not take it in literal

sense of the word and put me in a corner. I have also mentioned other

references like saravali etc. My point is to know whether the nodal points have

any special significance on vargothama positions. I am not for joining issues

with the more learned people since I am a fresher in the field. I am thankful

to enlighten me on these issues of originality also.

With warm regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 7:35 AM

What makes you assume that BPHS was an original text?

What do you mean by ORIGINAL text?

When did the ORAL tradition as it is known, actually start?

Do you know and can you share please?

, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46

> wrote:

>

> Dear gurujis,

>

> We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa

in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting

such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these

two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these

poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence

of maleficence?

> Kindly guide me on this.

>

> With best regards

> SRB.

> (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.

/ invite/

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March 13, 2009

Dear BSR,

Hope I did not offend you in a personal sense! I couldn't have for I hardly know

you, as you do not know me either!

IF/WHEN you have TIME/INCLINATION, please browse and skim through:

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

and other stuff there...

, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR,

>

> The members in this list normally follow the BPHS and take it as a

best reference and discuss very important issues. Hence I presume that the BPHS

has the qualifications of taking as a reference. Do not take it in literal

sense of the word and put me in a corner. I have also mentioned other

references like saravali etc. My point is to know whether the nodal points have

any special significance on vargothama positions. I am not for joining issues

with the more learned people since I am a fresher in the field. I am thankful

to enlighten me on these issues of originality also.

>

> With warm regards

> SRB

>

> --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

>

> Friday, 13 March, 2009, 7:35 AM

>

What makes you assume that BPHS was an original text?

>

> What do you mean by ORIGINAL text?

>

> When did the ORAL tradition as it is known, actually start?

>

> Do you know and can you share please?

>

> , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear gurujis,

>

> >

>

> > We see special significance of planets getting

vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are

also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special

significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any

direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they

get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

>

> > Kindly guide me on this.

>

> >

>

> > With best regards

>

> > SRB.

>

> > (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.

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> >

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March 13, 2009

Dear Shri RR,

Thank you for your kind words. I have no feeling of being

offended. You have not meant anything. But when I see the discussions going on

in these groups, I could understand that I can learn something from the group.

I have raised my doubts since I could not fall on any source to know these

intricate points in the field. I would surely utilise the site as I have all

the time and inclination.

With regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 8:09 AM

Dear BSR,

Hope I did not offend you in a personal sense! I couldn't have for I hardly know

you, as you do not know me either!

IF/WHEN you have TIME/INCLINATION, please browse and skim through:

http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00303.htm

and other stuff there...

, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46

> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR,

>

> The members in this list normally follow the BPHS and take it as a

best reference and discuss very important issues. Hence I presume that the BPHS

has the qualifications of taking as a reference. Do not take it in literal

sense of the word and put me in a corner. I have also mentioned other

references like saravali etc. My point is to know whether the nodal points have

any special significance on vargothama positions. I am not for joining issues

with the more learned people since I am a fresher in the field. I am thankful

to enlighten me on these issues of originality also.

>

> With warm regards

> SRB

>

> --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

>

> Friday, 13 March, 2009, 7:35 AM

>

> What makes you assume that BPHS was an original text?

>

> What do you mean by ORIGINAL text?

>

> When did the ORAL tradition as it is known, actually start?

>

> Do you know and can you share please?

>

> , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear gurujis,

>

> >

>

> > We see special significance of planets getting

vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are

also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special

significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any

direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they

get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

>

> > Kindly guide me on this.

>

> >

>

> > With best regards

>

> > SRB.

>

> > (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

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March 13, 2009

Learning is like recognizing the hunger (emptiness within) and choosing to eat!

Fasting is great for penance but depriving oneself all the time without good

reason can only lead to DEATH!

, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR,

>

> Thank you for your kind words. I have no feeling of being

offended. You have not meant anything. But when I see the discussions going on

in these groups, I could understand that I can learn something from the group.

I have raised my doubts since I could not fall on any source to know these

intricate points in the field. I would surely utilise the site as I have all

the time and inclination.

>

> With regards

> SRB

>

> --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

>

> Friday, 13 March, 2009, 8:09 AM

>

Dear BSR,

>

> Hope I did not offend you in a personal sense! I couldn't have for I hardly

know you, as you do not know me either!

>

> IF/WHEN you have TIME/INCLINATION, please browse and skim through:

>

> http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00303.htm

>

> and other stuff there...

>

> , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Shri RR,

>

> >

>

> > The members in this list normally follow the BPHS and take it as

a best reference and discuss very important issues. Hence I presume that the

BPHS has the qualifications of taking as a reference. Do not take it in literal

sense of the word and put me in a corner. I have also mentioned other

references like saravali etc. My point is to know whether the nodal points have

any special significance on vargothama positions. I am not for joining issues

with the more learned people since I am a fresher in the field. I am thankful

to enlighten me on these issues of originality also.

>

> >

>

> > With warm regards

>

> > SRB

>

> >

>

> > --- On Fri, 13/3/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> > Re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

>

> >

>

> > Friday, 13 March, 2009, 7:35 AM

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> > What makes you assume that BPHS was an original text?

>

> >

>

> > What do you mean by ORIGINAL text?

>

> >

>

> > When did the ORAL tradition as it is known, actually start?

>

> >

>

> > Do you know and can you share please?

>

> >

>

> >

>

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>

> > , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

<balsu46@ > wrote:

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> > > Dear gurujis,

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> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > We see special significance of planets getting

vargothamamsa in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are

also getting such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special

significance of these two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any

direct reference of these poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they

get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

>

> >

>

> > > Kindly guide me on this.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > With best regards

>

> >

>

> > > SRB.

>

> >

>

> > > (S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only

vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got

halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well

if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a

direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa

in divisional charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting

such positions in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these

two nodal points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these

poistions in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence

of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIAM)

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March 13, 2009

dear margaret,

thats interesting about ketu acting more like mercury than mars. even if ketu

is not in gemini/virgo or conjunct mercury?

perhpas rahu wants to impress his teacher by behaving well when he is at his

teacher's houses or with him!

i have always liked the way you presented these insights.

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only

vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got

halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well

if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a

direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Dear Rohini

Yes Ketu was acting as Mercury, even though not in a sign of Mercury. It wasn't

in a sign of Mars either.

The nodes are a fascinating part of chart reading.

Last week a friend surprised me by saying she and her husband have asked a ghost

hunter to investigate some'ghostly happenings' at the uni where her husband

studies. I wondered what was going astrologically to prompt such a request. This

week she asked me to look at her chart again, and see what is happening for her

husband and I was amazed to see Jupiter transit with transit Rahu over natal

Rahu in second house in eighth house to natal Jupiter!

Rahu=haunting +Jupiter=husband=haunted husband:-)

bet wishes

M

-

mahaluxmi iyer

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:08 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

dear margaret,

thats interesting about ketu acting more like mercury than mars. even if ketu

is not in gemini/virgo or conjunct mercury?

perhpas rahu wants to impress his teacher by behaving well when he is at his

teacher's houses or with him!

i have always liked the way you presented these insights.

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with

only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this

got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very

well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid

a direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

dear margaret

that's a really good one about rahu/jup! btw any connected dashas currently, as

they have been spending a number of months together now in makara.

its me, m. not RR!

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 3:57 PM

Dear Rohini

Yes Ketu was acting as Mercury, even though not in a sign of Mercury. It wasn't

in a sign of Mars either.

The nodes are a fascinating part of chart reading.

Last week a friend surprised me by saying she and her husband have asked a ghost

hunter to investigate some'ghostly happenings' at the uni where her husband

studies. I wondered what was going astrologically to prompt such a request. This

week she asked me to look at her chart again, and see what is happening for her

husband and I was amazed to see Jupiter transit with transit Rahu over natal

Rahu in second house in eighth house to natal Jupiter!

Rahu=haunting +Jupiter=husband= haunted husband:-)

bet wishes

M

-

mahaluxmi iyer

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:08 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

dear margaret,

thats interesting about ketu acting more like mercury than mars. even if ketu is

not in gemini/virgo or conjunct mercury?

perhpas rahu wants to impress his teacher by behaving well when he is at his

teacher's houses or with him!

i have always liked the way you presented these insights.

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote:

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only

vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got

halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well

if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a

direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Dear Smt Marg'

Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal

points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it

is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special

positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you

have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your

observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury).

With warm regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only

vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got

halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well

if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a

direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal

points on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions

in BPHS or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of

maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Hi M

So sorry wrote that in between other major tasks! Notwithstanding retro Venus

connects to my chart area of comms:-) Apologies.

Good question about the dasa. She is in Venus Sat dasa at the moment and enters

Venus Sat Rahu dasa from May when I expect things to get pretty intense really

in the relationship. Natal Rahu is in Capricorn. Good question, what made you

ask about the Saturn connection? She has Moon in eight with Ketu natally and did

some research work at an early life stage, currently has health and emotional

issues.

Both partners are very spiritually oriented, and he has just been on a

meditation retreat, which I partially predicted using Rahu L3 in her chart, and

of independence and following own desires, combines with karaka for husband

transit Jupiter, silly me didn't get the meditation retreat in with this

prediction, got the rest but should have looked more carefully:-) Both meditate.

I'll be taking a look at his chart next week once I get the data, perhaps if I

get time..

love and light

m

-

mahaluxmi iyer

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:39 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

dear margaret

that's a really good one about rahu/jup! btw any connected dashas currently,

as they have been spending a number of months together now in makara.

its me, m. not RR!

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 3:57 PM

Dear Rohini

Yes Ketu was acting as Mercury, even though not in a sign of Mercury. It

wasn't in a sign of Mars either.

The nodes are a fascinating part of chart reading.

Last week a friend surprised me by saying she and her husband have asked a

ghost hunter to investigate some'ghostly happenings' at the uni where her

husband studies. I wondered what was going astrologically to prompt such a

request. This week she asked me to look at her chart again, and see what is

happening for her husband and I was amazed to see Jupiter transit with transit

Rahu over natal Rahu in second house in eighth house to natal Jupiter!

Rahu=haunting +Jupiter=husband= haunted husband:-)

bet wishes

M

-

mahaluxmi iyer

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:08 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

dear margaret,

thats interesting about ketu acting more like mercury than mars. even if ketu

is not in gemini/virgo or conjunct mercury?

perhpas rahu wants to impress his teacher by behaving well when he is at his

teacher's houses or with him!

i have always liked the way you presented these insights.

best wishes

m

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote:

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with

only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this

got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very

well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid

a direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

HI SRB

Good luck with your study. One other thing I found which has confounded me was

that in studies I did on marriage charts one of the 'sets' I built up did have

thwarts to common significations found in the study. Two factors emerged in the

set which didn't follow usual patterns, and the factors were that the set had

exalted, multrikona or vargottama nodes, but also cancer ascendants--which is

significant or not given the nodes are directly linked to the moon.

They are squiggly little squirmers the nodes and you do have to keep your eye on

them otherwise when reading vimsottari particularly you could be way off mark in

interpretation and understanding of vimsottari dasa.

I also found that Rahu '' rules '''Aquarius and I incorporate this into my

readings now with great accuracy.Parasara gives this sign Aquarius as 'belonging

to Rahu and my track of the node helps me understand why Parasara says this. I

can't find a similar relationship for Ketu however and need to spend more time

looking for where he comes up with a connection to a particular sign. If only

there were 72 hours in a day...........................................

regards

m

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Dear Smt Marg'

Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these

nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and

Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in

special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you

because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further

study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury).

With warm regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with

only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this

got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very

well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid

a direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Actually B

I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which

talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of

them if you or anyone is interested

I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth

house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them

For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways

service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own

home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new

extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts.

Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house

means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which

the native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against.

kind regards

M

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Dear Smt Marg'

Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these

nodal points take the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and

Saturn it is difficult to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in

special positions like exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you

because you have some collection for comparative study. I can make a further

study on your observation ( specially regarding that of Mercury).

With warm regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with

only vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this

got halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very

well if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid

a direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Dear Marg,

Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List, thanks!-

Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue. Interestingly, just

before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I ordered 5 books on

Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's going on in my own

chart, I guess.

Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more " harming'

/to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I remember one

case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was impaired, of

course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of superb

intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery,

/BTW

Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any thoughts?/

Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big

difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious,

sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict

it's effects.

What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion of

gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction.

My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally

with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire?

I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway-

Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much,

except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Anna

--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM

Actually B

I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago, which

talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward all of

them if you or anyone is interested

I will add one things now however, and that is that I have found Rahu in sixth

house of people who campaign against roads or problems associated with them

For instance one lady with Rahu in sixth lead a campaign against the Highways

service lobbying against the development of a major motorway outside her own

home. I guess that many people in London currently campaigning against the new

extension at Heathrow would also have something similar in their charts.

Not surprising given Rahu rules upheavals and travel, so Rahu in sixth house

means roads, or transport systems become an enemy if you like, but one which the

native feels s/he needs to ''fight'' against.

kind regards

M

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear Smt Marg'

Thanks a lot and thanks for your painstaking effort. As these nodal points take

the colour and quality of the house and that of Mars and Saturn it is difficult

to assess their virulence or otherwise when they are in special positions like

exaltation or vargotthama. It is possible for you because you have some

collection for comparative study. I can make a further study on your observation

( specially regarding that of Mercury).

With warm regards

SRB

--- On Fri, 13/3/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote:

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:28 PM

Dear SRB

I find it important to track the nodes especially to make a note if they are

exalted or vargottama. I have never collected enough samples of charts with both

these types of position in them so have not been able to study the special

effects. I haven't found any reference in BPHS about the effects of those

special positions.

However, what I have found is that Rahu does act like it's dispositor very

powerfully when vargottama or exalted, and Parasara does say the nodes take on

the significations of the ruler of the house it is placed in, so my findings

confirm this.

Also, Rahu acts very much like Saturn and one study I did revealed Ketu acting

more like Mercury than Mars regardless of whether it was vargottama or exalted.

The nodes are worthy of study but getting a huge collection of charts with only

vargottama or only exalted positions is difficult. My own research on this got

halted due to lack of data collection sadly. I did find Rahu behaving very well

if in sign of Venus and in conjunction with Venus.

One of the charts I have with vargottama nodes interestingly, given

significations of the nodes, belongs to a chemist, but he also has Jupiter

exalted in five divisional charts, so it is difficult to extrapolate results.

Not sure if this helps, but hopefully there are some elements which might aid a

direction for you to go in.

kind regards

Margaret

-

Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

Cc: gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:49 AM

re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its significance

Dear gurujis,

We see special significance of planets getting vargothamamsa in divisional

charts. Likewise the nodal points Rahu and Ketu are also getting such positions

in some horoscopes.. Is there any special significance of these two nodal points

on getting vargothama.? Is there any direct reference of these poistions in BPHS

or other original texts.Whether they get any extra beneficence of maleficence?

Kindly guide me on this.

With best regards

SRB.

(S.R.BALASUBRAMANIA M)

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March 13, 2009

Hi Anna

Great we have some good female jyotishes working together on this last, that's

nice.

Thankyou for your kind comments.

It would be good to know some excellent books on the nodes, I lost track of

someone who did an excellent study, due to lack of time to keep up with links

some years ago. So if you find any of your books are worth recommending then do

let us know.

Yes I find the Ketu in Sag issue a difficult one to track, so have no insights

as yet as to why this should be, or whether it is working that way in this

modern era. I get so few charts coming my way with this placement of Ketu sadly.

I only know that my own researches show Ketu more of an affinity with Mercury in

terms of what is going on when applying vimsottari dasa.

Of course it is always good to know the person personally so that how it is

working is easier to track if a friend can tell us about themselves. I will try

and single out more charts with Ketu in mutable signs ( those ruled by mer and

Ju) in future.

Interesting to read your friend/ associates manifestation of Mer with Ketu. Do

you recall which house and sign that was in as that would be interesting too?

The Mars /Ketu connection in an explosion incident is also interesting, I have

left some charts with this kind of event on my old pc and I do remember that

Mars and Ketu were involved in the event. Were Mars or node transits aspecting

asc or mc at the time at all, or their rulers, and did Mars have any

relationship to Venus?

Which house and sign is Rahu in in your natal chart?

I do know that if the natal chart shows accident significations then the transit

over angles can bring out the event. Years ago I remember one lady writing to a

list asking why she kept having near misses in her life with accidents. It

couldn't be explained with western methods and she was despairing, so I looked

at her chart, and Rahu was transitting the ascendant exactly the time she had a

near miss encounter with an accident. She had Rahu in 8 natally as well as a

Cancer asc, like yours.

Transit Rahu in seventh now, so lots of encounters with foreigners I expect?

How did your transit in eighth go last year?

very best wishes

M

-

sar108

Friday, March 13, 2009 4:37 PM

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Dear Marg,

Thanks for sharing insights on Rahu/Ketu- you always energize the List,

thanks!- Ome may say every author has his his stand on this issue.

Interestingly, just before I read your mail /matter of minutes, literally!/, I

ordered 5 books on Rahu/Ketu I haven't read yet- have to figure out what's

going on in my own chart, I guess.

Ke acts like Me? All that subconscious knowledge? I have found Ke more

" harming' /to conventional characteristics of Me/ when conj. Me /than Rahu. I

remember one case- person seemed unable to prioritize, problem solving was

impaired, of course, difficult everyday life, but with occasional flashes of

superb intuition- which perhaps keeps him from going to the monastery,

/BTW

Sag is considered sign of exaltation of Ke- I'm not getting that! Any

thoughts?/

Ketu acts 'on the spur of the moment', which may resemble Mars, with one big

difference: Ketu acts compulsively /driven by forces of unconscious,

sub-conscious, or even deeper layers buried in the psyche/, thus hard to predict

it's effects.

What about Ketu/Mars contact? My own brother almost died from fire/explosion

of gas tank-75% burns, with Ketu/Mars conjunction.

My mother has it in 5th H- he is the first child! Gas comes to mind naturally

with ketu/smoke/- Mars perhaps ignites the fire?

I have YK Mars exact trine Rahu, sextile Ke- so far so good,but sarpa anyway-

Rahu is my next MD /in Aq, 8thH/, nobody has dared so far to predict much,

except death, LOL/ Before the later comes, I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Anna

--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: re: vargothama of Rahu and Ketu and its

significance

Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM

Actually B

I can forward some postings I kept which are to this list some years ago,

which talk about the nodes. If you send me your private e mail I will forward

all of them if you or anyone is interested