A Calendar that Unifies

March 11, 2009

Dear Robertsonji,

Namaste,

I have another query. It is as follows:

A lot of discussions are going on the Makar Sankranti for quite sometime and

there is no unanimity in sight and this suggests that nobody has ever cared to

see the genesis of the Makar Sankranti. Winter Solstice occurred in the Makar

Rashi for 22 centuries. First it occurred in the 30 degree of the Makar Rashi

inÂ the 19th century BCE and it occurred in theÂ 0 degree of the Makar Rashi

in the 3rd century CE. Later on from the 3rd century onward it started occurring

in the Dhanu Rashi. From the year the Winter Solstice occurred at theÂ 0 degree

of Makar rashi in the 3rd century BCE, the Ayanamsha corrections also started.

Naturally that day began to beÂ considered an eventful day and as if to

commemorate that day the Makar Sankranti came to be observed on the day the Sun

enteredÂ the 0 degree of the Makar Rashi. We have also to remember that that

Makar Rashi, which includes the Shravana Nakshatra, is also the Rashi of

Bharatavarsha and that the

Shrutis were revealed in this holy land. (Refer to the link of ShravanaÂ and

Shruti as both have the common root).

To my knowledge there is no available reference anywhere in the old texts to

show that in any time in the past that the Makar Sankranti was continued to be

observed on the very day of the start of the Uttarayana. This is not to deny the

importance of the Uttarayana. The Uttarayana has always been important as it is

believed to decide the direction of movement of the departed souls for the next

six months or rather we should say that a person will die in the Uttarayana

sixmonths or in the Dakshinayana six months depending on his or her Karma. To my

knowledge there is no reference to the celebration of the Uttarayana festival in

the ancient past either. With the above background will anybody still feel theÂ

need to observe the Makar Sankranti on the Uttarayana day? If anybody still

feels the need to observe the Makar sankranti on the Uttarayana day then can

that person tell us, in brief, as to what are the reasons? No need to write a

long essay on it.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw

Re: A Calendar that Unifies

" Hari Malla " <harimalla

Cc: deenbc, jyotirved, ,

Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:58 AM

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Namaste Hari-ji,

Â

In resonse to your query, Thea has sent the

following reply:

Â

'...Our calendar was never purely solar. it was always

soli-lunar.. .'

No one disputes this. I believe I have dealt

with this issue in my piece.

This demonstrates exactly the problem. I believe he

is still mixing up 'circles'. The circle IS ONE. And there is no question of

'shifting' in any direction. If he talks about Vedic, then he must accept the

Cardinal Poles as permanent. Then as now.

Â Â Â That is the whole problem. They

have been convinced that in times gone by the 'stars' were in a different

position and the zodiac should be shifted to revert back to that position.

Clearly this indicates a references to the Constellations.

Â Â Â This is the whole problem.

Unless that mindset changes, no clarity will come. Remember that the reader is

remarking on postulations that arose in the Dark Age. Thea

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Hari

Malla

Robert E. Wilkinson

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ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, March 09, 2009 10:54

AM

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Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw (AT) sprynet (DOT) com>

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:14:45

AM

Re: A Calendar

that Unifies

IÂ would like to thank you very much for all the efforts your group

has put in celebrating the festivals by the sayan system in 30 temples in

Tamil nadu.It certainly is a very praiseworthy achievement.

I would like you to consider my method for the purpose of the calender

that unifies.The method that i have proposed seems to be the most vedic.Our

calender was never purely solar. it was always soli-lunar.Thus my proposal is

lunar sayanism, not solar sayanism as many people tend to think.In this method

we have to shift the new nirayan makar sankranti by 30 degrees by the sayan

method, meaning the name Makar sankranti,Â has to be shifted to Dhanu

sankranti.the reason for this is the present full moon depicting uttarayan is

mrigshira purnima and not the poush purnima as it used to be earlier. we still

celebrate magh snan, representing the lunar uttarayanÂ on poush full moon,

although the present uttarayan is in the zone of mrigashira full moon.

If more clarification is needed please write.My posting in the Hindu

calender forum of Mr AK Kaul would be helpful. It is posted under the name of

coordinated system of calender reform.

thank you.

sincerely yours,

HariMalla

Robert E. Wilkinson

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March 11, 2009

Dear Sunil

I hope you don't mind me posting this but in my research the Lahiri ayanamsa

began to be applied in 0285 CE at the new moon of 15 October ( lunar month

Aswini?) when both luminaries were at 22 30 Libra, according to my own computer

calcs.

In addition the Makara ingress that year was on 21 December that year.The

ayanamsa (Lahiri) was 0' 0 ' 9 by that time at the concidence of the solstice

and Makara ingress at 00 55 GMT for UK location.

In 19 century BCE, or (questionably !9 C given the slip of calculations at the

turn of first century) 0018 BCE the solstice was 3 deg Capricorn not 30.

best wishes

M

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Sunil Bhattacharjya

Cc: robtw ; harimalla ; deenbc ;

jyotirved ;

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:15 AM

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Unifies

Dear Robertsonji,

Namaste,

I have another query. It is as follows:

A lot of discussions are going on the Makar Sankranti for quite sometime and

there is no unanimity in sight and this suggests that nobody has ever cared to

see the genesis of the Makar Sankranti. Winter Solstice occurred in the Makar

Rashi for 22 centuries. First it occurred in the 30 degree of the Makar Rashi in

the 19th century BCE and it occurred in the 0 degree of the Makar Rashi in the

3rd century CE. Later on from the 3rd century onward it started occurring in the

Dhanu Rashi. From the year the Winter Solstice occurred at the 0 degree of

Makar rashi in the 3rd century BCE, the Ayanamsha corrections also started.

Naturally that day began to be considered an eventful day and as if to

commemorate that day the Makar Sankranti came to be observed on the day the Sun

entered the 0 degree of the Makar Rashi. We have also to remember that that

Makar Rashi, which includes the Shravana Nakshatra, is also the Rashi of

Bharatavarsha and that the

Shrutis were revealed in this holy land. (Refer to the link of Shravana and