[WAVES-Vedic] On Mr. Yeshu Rathenam's postings

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Raman,

 

Namaste,

 

You wrote as follows:

 

Quote

 

In that case, critical analysis should be welcome rather than snubbed as long as

the intention of the writer is not simply to desecrate and insult what others

regard as intrinsically sacred.

 

Unquote

 

By this you made it clear that as long as the intention of the writer is not

simply to desecrate and insult what others regard as intrinsically sacred, the

mails of Shri Rathenam should be welcome. But you must have also seen in the

last few mails from some of the members of the group that it is abundantly clear

to them at least, if not to you, that the intention of Shri Rathenum is simply

to desecrate and insult the sacred scriptures. Of course if Shri Rathenum has

any further doubts about Hinduism let him tell all his queries at a time and

not act like a slippery person to suddenly switch topics like he has done so

far. In these fora  there may be members including you who may welcome 

mails from Shri Rathenam and even reply to his mails and we should not mind

that. On my part I told him that I shall not reply to further mails from

him because after replying to several of his mails I find that the way he had

raised questions and when some

related questions are asked back he becomes a dumb person and does not reply,

makes it clear to me that he has ulterior motives. I do not wish to correspond

to a conveniently dumb person but you are welcome to do so if you so desire.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, V. V. Raman <vvrsps wrote:

 

V. V. Raman <vvrsps

[WAVES-Vedic] On Mr. Yeshu Rathenam's postings

" Robert E. Wilkinson " <robtw, " yeshu rathenam "

<yeshu2004, sunil_bhattacharjya,

vedic_research_institute

Cc: waves-vedic , vedicscience,

atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved,

harimalla, ,

 

Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:10 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 



It is unfortunately true that Mr. Y.R. has been posting some provocative -

sometimes offensive to devout Hindu ears - statements on the Vedas and related

matters.

Understandably, many members of this forum are quite upset by what he writes.

It seems to me that there are two dignified  ways of reacting to these.

One is to respond to his comments and questions with facts, clarifications,

and  counter-arguments and show that he is mistaken and misguided, and that

much of what he says is factually incorrect.

The other is to click on the delete button every time there is a posting with

his name on top.

However, forcibly removing him from the group - as has been suggested - will be

an implicit  acknowledgment that he is raising some inconvenient questions, if

not an act of surrender. Booting out, even stifling an infidel is standard

practice in Islamic and Christian fundamentalist groups, and there is no reason

why this group should not follow their medieval example.

But it is good to remember that if the forum is dedicated to an exploration of

all aspects of Vedas: spiritual, poetic, symbolic, historical, and complexity,

on the assumption that the Vedas are sage-poetic visions of rishis who initiated

Hindu culture, civilization, and religion, then all these aspects are valid, and

deserve to be investigated with a spirit of reverence, but also objectivity.

In that case, critical analysis should be welcome rather than snubbed as long as

the intention of the writer is not simply to desecrate and insult what others

regard as intrinsically sacred.

If, on the other hand, the Vedas are approached as derived from supernatural

sources, revealed to superhumans, and beyond blemish or fallibility, then of

course nastic intruders must be banned from these discussions. The best approach

from this perspective would be to recite the Vedas in all their rhythmic glory,

and engage only in devotional exaltation of works that, in principle, should not

be commented upon without full piety, spiritual experience, or resolve to see no

imperfection in the hymns.

It seems to me that perhaps this forum must be more clear on its goals in the

context of confronting or combating posts like those of Mr. Y.R.

Foy my part, I simply read and learn from what the participants have to say.

 

V. V. Raman

March 6, 2009

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

 

At the outset I must candidly admit that I have not read this gentleman's

writings, but this kind of phenomenon is hardly unique, and not just in jyotish

realm. From time to time, radically different positions and interpretations

arise and then what used to be known as Flame wars (cyber-molotove cocktail I

call these unfortunate exchanges) begin.

 

I personally do not see any problems with someone harbouring radical

interpretations of reality (after all each of us have a different perspective of

reality as the allegory of the elephant and the five empiricists goes); however,

this should be done in silos. If pressed on, in a public forum the message would

either incense others and eventually simply be lost. What a waste of human

energy that would be and has always been, in my observation.

 

Perhaps a more efficient way would be to introduce the subject, to test the

waters if that is the intention, in a public forum and then proponent can take

the protagonists into a nice or google forum of their own and discuss to

their heart's content.

 

On the other hand, if the intention was to change the groundswell of the great

unwashed, then my words are falling on deaf ears!

 

My 2 cents of investment in the currency of human energy!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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> Dear Dr. Raman,

>  

> Namaste,

>  

> You wrote as follows:

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> Quote

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> In that case, critical analysis should be welcome rather than snubbed as long

as the intention of the writer is not simply to desecrate and insult what others

regard as intrinsically sacred.

>  

> Unquote

>  

> By this you made it clear that as long as the intention of the writer is not

simply to desecrate and insult what others regard as intrinsically sacred, the

mails of Shri Rathenam should be welcome. But you must have also seen in the

last few mails from some of the members of the group that it is abundantly clear

to them at least, if not to you, that the intention of Shri Rathenum is simply

to desecrate and insult the sacred scriptures. Of course if Shri Rathenum has

any further doubts about Hinduism let him tell all his queries at a time and

not act like a slippery person to suddenly switch topics like he has done so

far. In these fora  there may be members including you who may welcome 

mails from Shri Rathenam and even reply to his mails and we should not mind

that. On my part I told him that I shall not reply to further mails from

him because after replying to several of his mails I find that the way he had

raised questions and when some

> related questions are asked back he becomes a dumb person and does not

reply, makes it clear to me that he has ulterior motives. I do not wish to

correspond to a conveniently dumb person but you are welcome to do so if you so

desire.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, V. V. Raman <vvrsps wrote:

>

> V. V. Raman <vvrsps

> [WAVES-Vedic] On Mr. Yeshu Rathenam's postings

> " Robert E. Wilkinson " <robtw, " yeshu rathenam " <yeshu2004,

sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute

> Cc: waves-vedic , vedicscience, atlantavedictemple,

deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, ,

 

> Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:10 AM



> It is unfortunately true that Mr. Y.R. has been posting some provocative -

sometimes offensive to devout Hindu ears - statements on the Vedas and related

matters.

> Understandably, many members of this forum are quite upset by what he writes.

> It seems to me that there are two dignified  ways of reacting to these.

> One is to respond to his comments and questions with facts, clarifications,

and  counter-arguments and show that he is mistaken and misguided, and that

much of what he says is factually incorrect.

> The other is to click on the delete button every time there is a posting with

his name on top.

> However, forcibly removing him from the group - as has been suggested - will

be an implicit  acknowledgment that he is raising some inconvenient questions,

if not an act of surrender. Booting out, even stifling an infidel is standard

practice in Islamic and Christian fundamentalist groups, and there is no reason

why this group should not follow their medieval example.

> But it is good to remember that if the forum is dedicated to an exploration

of all aspects of Vedas: spiritual, poetic, symbolic, historical, and

complexity, on the assumption that the Vedas are sage-poetic visions of rishis

who initiated Hindu culture, civilization, and religion, then all these aspects

are valid, and deserve to be investigated with a spirit of reverence, but also

objectivity.

> In that case, critical analysis should be welcome rather than snubbed as long

as the intention of the writer is not simply to desecrate and insult what others

regard as intrinsically sacred.

> If, on the other hand, the Vedas are approached as derived from supernatural

sources, revealed to superhumans, and beyond blemish or fallibility, then of

course nastic intruders must be banned from these discussions. The best approach

from this perspective would be to recite the Vedas in all their rhythmic glory,

and engage only in devotional exaltation of works that, in principle, should not

be commented upon without full piety, spiritual experience, or resolve to see no

imperfection in the hymns.

> It seems to me that perhaps this forum must be more clear on its goals in the

context of confronting or combating posts like those of Mr. Y.R.

> Foy my part, I simply read and learn from what the participants have to say.

>  

> V. V. Raman

> March 6, 2009

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