Books and Karakas/The Honest Approach

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Vijayadas,

I was almost out of this thread butthe word handicap & 3H that u used

brought me back.

 

1. > First chart belongs to a person who has under gone major

experiences

> in life leading to vairagya.

 

SJ: Bang On, i have not seen such a person living modern life but least

bothered about possessions, he is so so dispassionate about things, he

let go of his whole collection of books and i can go on and on, if

something does not happen he just moves out and i have observed him so

so acutely since 3 yrs, u were bang on about this. I have not met a

Jyotishi like him who when predicts removes the feet under you and when

u give feedback on the prediction a year later going correct he is

genuinely least bothered about it nor does he remember it. This is the

vairagya thing apart from the spiritual part which i wont mention here

to bore people.

 

2. I do not know if this person has any kind

> of handicap.It is possible(3rd house influences)

 

SJ: No physical handicap by Gods Grace and he is 63-64 now, widely

travelled, he has not written a book (i mention this due to 3H u

mentioned and deb Sun there with A6 ), but he had made many writers,

cajoled them from Santhanam to the internet parampara writers. Though i

have begged him to write his experiences which would benefit the astro

community but he refuses to write. Re his 3H having deb Sun, his

communication skills are very very Sharp and Rude to a major extent, he

is well respected in the olden astros of the Delhi circles, when i off

hand once mentioned to K S Charak that i talk with him, Charak was

astonished and then when i said its our morning ritual to talk 1 hr

daily since last 3 yrs he could not believe. the reason is when this man

walks into any astro circles people get afraid of him as he is too

honest and astrologers esp the bigwigs dont like an honest student of

this shastra. I do not know which is the house of being too critical but

he is too patient and observant, he will observe an astrologers

prediction for 20 yrs and then make judgement on him, he sticks to this

20 yrs for eg predictions made on the basis of Vishnu Dasa for 10 years

on 20 people in Delhi, all failed predictions and then finally he will

choose to believe or not believe, it is this experience that i gain from

him when he says well if u want to follow spend your time on Vishnu Dasa

but so far it has not worked on 20 people on predictions made by the

creator of that dasa only, lets observe for 10 more years. His

communication skills though would appear wanting but he is very

affectionate in it too and revered due to his honesty, i remember the

olden days C S Patel would prepare one week in advance for the visit of

this gentleman. Patel would want everything perfect for his visit, if he

gave a verse to Patel to translate Patel would take 1 week to do so and

i had to sit and type every day, get print out then Patel would change

the english etc and i would tell Patel saheb, he has asked only for the

meaning of the word Sambhanda, it is so simple, Patel would tell me Beta

(son) if he is giving me a shloka to decipher it means indias best

sanskrit scholars have failed on it and if he gives me a chart to look

into then it means all astrologers in delhi have failed on it. This man

only carries failed charts in his pocket and from that he learns

astrology.

 

 

3. On rest of the points u made, no major loss and he is well to do,

very well to do and well connected, often dines with the Prime Ministers

and Foreign Affairs ministers of other countries.

 

4. However his gains and savings are going to the 4th and relating

> to mercury, karaka for learning and intelligence. The person possess

> knowledge. Thus inspite of financial losses and changes, this

> person will have great interest in research of some kind.

SJ: Yes very much into probing if one would call it research, he would

spend 6 months on only finding out the meaning of the word karaka, i

thought it was a joke as to why heis doing so after 40-50 yrs of

astrology but when i hear him i realise none of us know astrology, once

i took up discussion of kalachakra dasa with him he immediately put me

to place that unless i know KCD well i should not speak as he has for 10

yrs only studied kalachakra dasa and uses it. What impresses me does not

impress him as he is too senior, recently a book by Internet Parampara

came out he went and bought it, read it and next day he threw it so i

asked him to give me as i was too impressed with the theories in it,

the reason i quote this is that Sun is debilitated in this chart and

makes one too too sharp and analytical i guess after meeting more than

3000 of the best jyotishis in this country he knows what is theoritical

Crap that Gurus present in books to influence gullible students &

foreigners vs real predictive astrology. As they say the people who can

predict will rarely get time to write a book as they would always be

flocked by people. E.g 2006 i showed him a chart of a internet guru, in

2 secs this man said the internet gurus Guru does not know astrology i

said why, he said only a fool will teach him astrology, this man will

one day deceive and since 2007 i have been observing this coming true.

 

I think this Sun in 3H is making him more practical and in his

travellings he has met giants of astrology and thats the reason he does

not get impressed with Internet Astrologers Craps Theory Assocation as

he has met too many giants whom we can only dream of meeting.

 

Though i have gone more into answering ur post but i felt that maybe i

should share to the forum members a path of honesty they can choose ,

thats the greatest thing i learnt from this man in 3 yrs with spending

more than 1000 hrs minimum with him and let me tell you Vijayadas i have

never met a student of astrology as honest as him towards this science,

when i look at him and compare us of the global internet flock i feel we

are just doing madiraka tamasha (jokers play).

 

I have taken up a lot of everyones time i am off lists now

 

best wishes

Sunil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Sunil and Inderjit ji

>

> Thanks for the quiz and explanations. I had partially attempted 2

> charts on the 6th of Jan and some how could not complete and moreover

> did not feel like sending those. I had saved them to cross check with

> results. It is incomplete and i didnt do any analysis today. i am

> posting them as such -

> -------------------------

> Dear Shri Sunil

>

> First chart belongs to a person who has under gone major experiences

> in life leading to vairagya.I do not know if this person has any kind

> of handicap.It is possible(3rd house influences).His 10th lord is

> debilitated ,but with his exaltation lord who is also the lord of 8th

> (apart from 5th).Thus inspite of financial losses and changes, this

> person will have great interest in research of some kind. Neecha

> Shukra can also give interest in antiques and things which are

> old.His 4th lord is debilitated and with saturn showing losses and

> difficulties related to 4th house, properties,settlement away from

> home.However his gains and savings are going to the 4th and relating

> to mercury, karaka for learning and intelligence. The person possess

> knowledge.

>

> His karakamsha(rashi) has saturn and mars and 5th from there has

> mercury.Whether he is an owner

> -----------------------------

>

> 2nd person is also very intelligent and will have many possessions

> including books on various subjects.He can also be a writer as 3rd

> lord from karakamsha/moon and dispositor lagna is exalted fr

>

> --------------------------------

>

> Please confirm regarding handicap etc.

>

> Regards

> Pradeep

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil

 

Thank you very much for your valuable feed back and detailed mail.

It was a learning experience and a chance to correct our

mistakes.Inderjit ji is very experienced.You are fortunate to meet

many learned astrologers.

 

I will write more later.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

In , " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Vijayadas,

> I was almost out of this thread butthe word handicap & 3H that u

used

> brought me back.

>

> 1. > First chart belongs to a person who has under gone major

> experiences

> > in life leading to vairagya.

>

> SJ: Bang On, i have not seen such a person living modern life but

least

> bothered about possessions, he is so so dispassionate about things,

he

> let go of his whole collection of books and i can go on and on, if

> something does not happen he just moves out and i have observed him

so

> so acutely since 3 yrs, u were bang on about this. I have not met a

> Jyotishi like him who when predicts removes the feet under you and

when

> u give feedback on the prediction a year later going correct he is

> genuinely least bothered about it nor does he remember it. This is

the

> vairagya thing apart from the spiritual part which i wont mention

here

> to bore people.

>

> 2. I do not know if this person has any kind

> > of handicap.It is possible(3rd house influences)

>

> SJ: No physical handicap by Gods Grace and he is 63-64 now, widely

> travelled, he has not written a book (i mention this due to 3H u

> mentioned and deb Sun there with A6 ), but he had made many writers,

> cajoled them from Santhanam to the internet parampara writers.

Though i

> have begged him to write his experiences which would benefit the

astro

> community but he refuses to write. Re his 3H having deb Sun, his

> communication skills are very very Sharp and Rude to a major

extent, he

> is well respected in the olden astros of the Delhi circles, when i

off

> hand once mentioned to K S Charak that i talk with him, Charak was

> astonished and then when i said its our morning ritual to talk 1 hr

> daily since last 3 yrs he could not believe. the reason is when

this man

> walks into any astro circles people get afraid of him as he is too

> honest and astrologers esp the bigwigs dont like an honest student

of

> this shastra. I do not know which is the house of being too

critical but

> he is too patient and observant, he will observe an astrologers

> prediction for 20 yrs and then make judgement on him, he sticks to

this

> 20 yrs for eg predictions made on the basis of Vishnu Dasa for 10

years

> on 20 people in Delhi, all failed predictions and then finally he

will

> choose to believe or not believe, it is this experience that i gain

from

> him when he says well if u want to follow spend your time on Vishnu

Dasa

> but so far it has not worked on 20 people on predictions made by the

> creator of that dasa only, lets observe for 10 more years. His

> communication skills though would appear wanting but he is very

> affectionate in it too and revered due to his honesty, i remember

the

> olden days C S Patel would prepare one week in advance for the

visit of

> this gentleman. Patel would want everything perfect for his visit,

if he

> gave a verse to Patel to translate Patel would take 1 week to do so

and

> i had to sit and type every day, get print out then Patel would

change

> the english etc and i would tell Patel saheb, he has asked only for

the

> meaning of the word Sambhanda, it is so simple, Patel would tell me

Beta

> (son) if he is giving me a shloka to decipher it means indias best

> sanskrit scholars have failed on it and if he gives me a chart to

look

> into then it means all astrologers in delhi have failed on it. This

man

> only carries failed charts in his pocket and from that he learns

> astrology.

>

>

> 3. On rest of the points u made, no major loss and he is well to do,

> very well to do and well connected, often dines with the Prime

Ministers

> and Foreign Affairs ministers of other countries.

>

> 4. However his gains and savings are going to the 4th and relating

> > to mercury, karaka for learning and intelligence. The person

possess

> > knowledge. Thus inspite of financial losses and changes, this

> > person will have great interest in research of some kind.

> SJ: Yes very much into probing if one would call it research, he

would

> spend 6 months on only finding out the meaning of the word karaka, i

> thought it was a joke as to why heis doing so after 40-50 yrs of

> astrology but when i hear him i realise none of us know astrology,

once

> i took up discussion of kalachakra dasa with him he immediately put

me

> to place that unless i know KCD well i should not speak as he has

for 10

> yrs only studied kalachakra dasa and uses it. What impresses me

does not

> impress him as he is too senior, recently a book by Internet

Parampara

> came out he went and bought it, read it and next day he threw it

so i

> asked him to give me as i was too impressed with the theories in

it,

> the reason i quote this is that Sun is debilitated in this chart and

> makes one too too sharp and analytical i guess after meeting more

than

> 3000 of the best jyotishis in this country he knows what is

theoritical

> Crap that Gurus present in books to influence gullible students &

> foreigners vs real predictive astrology. As they say the people who

can

> predict will rarely get time to write a book as they would always be

> flocked by people. E.g 2006 i showed him a chart of a internet

guru, in

> 2 secs this man said the internet gurus Guru does not know

astrology i

> said why, he said only a fool will teach him astrology, this man

will

> one day deceive and since 2007 i have been observing this coming

true.

>

> I think this Sun in 3H is making him more practical and in his

> travellings he has met giants of astrology and thats the reason he

does

> not get impressed with Internet Astrologers Craps Theory Assocation

as

> he has met too many giants whom we can only dream of meeting.

>

> Though i have gone more into answering ur post but i felt that

maybe i

> should share to the forum members a path of honesty they can

choose ,

> thats the greatest thing i learnt from this man in 3 yrs with

spending

> more than 1000 hrs minimum with him and let me tell you Vijayadas i

have

> never met a student of astrology as honest as him towards this

science,

> when i look at him and compare us of the global internet flock i

feel we

> are just doing madiraka tamasha (jokers play).

>

> I have taken up a lot of everyones time i am off lists now

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

>

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Sunil and Inderjit ji

> >

> > Thanks for the quiz and explanations. I had partially attempted 2

> > charts on the 6th of Jan and some how could not complete and

moreover

> > did not feel like sending those. I had saved them to cross check

with

> > results. It is incomplete and i didnt do any analysis today. i am

> > posting them as such -

> > -------------------------

> > Dear Shri Sunil

> >

> > First chart belongs to a person who has under gone major

experiences

> > in life leading to vairagya.I do not know if this person has any

kind

> > of handicap.It is possible(3rd house influences).His 10th lord is

> > debilitated ,but with his exaltation lord who is also the lord of

8th

> > (apart from 5th).Thus inspite of financial losses and changes,

this

> > person will have great interest in research of some kind. Neecha

> > Shukra can also give interest in antiques and things which are

> > old.His 4th lord is debilitated and with saturn showing losses and

> > difficulties related to 4th house, properties,settlement away from

> > home.However his gains and savings are going to the 4th and

relating

> > to mercury, karaka for learning and intelligence. The person

possess

> > knowledge.

> >

> > His karakamsha(rashi) has saturn and mars and 5th from there has

> > mercury.Whether he is an owner

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > 2nd person is also very intelligent and will have many possessions

> > including books on various subjects.He can also be a writer as 3rd

> > lord from karakamsha/moon and dispositor lagna is exalted fr

> >

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > Please confirm regarding handicap etc.

> >

> > Regards

> > Pradeep

> >

>

>

>

>