Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Om Datta Guru Pranam Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum office is upto the neck due to deadlines. Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband wife seperating. Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i have not had the opportunity to intervene. Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony, i remembered this prediction given to me. The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1 had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my Gujurat Astrologer told me. When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. best wishes Sunil John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dear Sunil, The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was wrong. It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars who is disposing Mercury. Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury in which Venus is winner having higher latitude. Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his 3rd cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a good writer. Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but he is a good orator and writer both. He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and sub lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and that is causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. Now trace the books in it. These are in Mercury. Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart and the list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde dispositor of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. The significator surfaced again is Mercury. By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the ongoing talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and Fire. In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will show up to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have gadgets , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to comment on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my assumptions . With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings . With Best Wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 Om Datta Guru Pranam Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum office is upto the neck due to deadlines. Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband wife seperating. Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i have not had the opportunity to intervene. Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony, i remembered this prediction given to me. The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1 had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my Gujurat Astrologer told me. When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. best wishes Sunil John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings .' Thats nice. I need not mention what my reaction is. 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is important for me to predict is if those books will result in what finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW ASTROLOGY' which i do not. He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins or 30 mins, he truly does not care. Light Sunil John Mumbai , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was wrong. > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars who is > disposing Mercury. > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury in > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his 3rd > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a good > writer. > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but he > is a good orator and writer both. > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and sub > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and that is > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > Now trace the books in it. > > These are in Mercury. > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart and the > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde dispositor > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the ongoing > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and Fire. > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will show up > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have gadgets > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to comment > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my assumptions . > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings . > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Pranam > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband > wife seperating. > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony, > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1 > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > best wishes > Sunil John > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Dear Sunil, This is my last post also for you to understand. The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only in the 3rd case this was a direct issue. Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same conclusion about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have a good show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which he is not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's personal view about the life. I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly about books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to conclude direct with books. Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is no end in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are good in one another in two. The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in 1st two cases. In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the persons. Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an indicative subject. More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject is Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic and will relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that everything is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and this list is also of Fools. Or someone else is. With Best Wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings .' Thats nice. I need not mention what my reaction is. 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is important for me to predict is if those books will result in what finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW ASTROLOGY' which i do not. He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins or 30 mins, he truly does not care. Light Sunil John Mumbai <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was wrong. > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars who is > disposing Mercury. > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury in > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his 3rd > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a good > writer. > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but he > is a good orator and writer both. > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and sub > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and that is > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > Now trace the books in it. > > These are in Mercury. > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart and the > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde dispositor > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the ongoing > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and Fire. > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will show up > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have gadgets > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to comment > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my assumptions . > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings . > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > <%40> [ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > <%40> > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Pranam > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband > wife seperating. > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony, > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1 > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > best wishes > Sunil John > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies of today, not for her genunie acting. You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in 1st two cases. SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it. Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an indicative subject. SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back. If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant expect that out of anyone else. best wishes Sunil , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > This is my last post also for you to understand. > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only in the > 3rd case this was a direct issue. > > > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same conclusion > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have a good > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which he is > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's personal > view about the life. > > > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly about > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to conclude > direct with books. > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is no end > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are good in > one another in two. > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in > 1st two cases. > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the > persons. > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an > indicative subject. > > > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject is > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic and will > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that everything > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. > > > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and this > list is also of Fools. > > Or someone else is. > > > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit, > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with > my writings .' > > Thats nice. > > I need not mention what my reaction is. > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW > ASTROLOGY' which i do not. > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins > or 30 mins, he truly does not care. > > Light > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was > wrong. > > > > > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars > who is > > disposing Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury > in > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his > 3rd > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a > good > > writer. > > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but > he > > is a good orator and writer both. > > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and > sub > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and > that is > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > > > Now trace the books in it. > > > > These are in Mercury. > > > > > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart > and the > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde > dispositor > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the > ongoing > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and > Fire. > > > > > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will > show up > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have > gadgets > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to > comment > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my > assumptions . > > > > > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my > writings . > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > <%40> > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > Pranam > > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i > had > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband > > wife seperating. > > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you > to > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u > ignore > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the > beans > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw > him > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he > says > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at > home > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is > going > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far > i > > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital > harmony, > > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real > story > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your > wife > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let > go > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and > he > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart > 1 > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and > now > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my > > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net > first > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and > hence > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would > be > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its > own > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it > comes > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction > that > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for > your > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > > > best wishes > > Sunil John > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dear Sunil, I am not hurt. Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you. Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem. Any way it was a very good experience. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies of today, not for her genunie acting. You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in 1st two cases. SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it. Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an indicative subject. SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back. If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant expect that out of anyone else. best wishes Sunil <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > This is my last post also for you to understand. > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only in the > 3rd case this was a direct issue. > > > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same conclusion > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have a good > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which he is > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's personal > view about the life. > > > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly about > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to conclude > direct with books. > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is no end > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are good in > one another in two. > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in > 1st two cases. > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the > persons. > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an > indicative subject. > > > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject is > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic and will > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that everything > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. > > > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and this > list is also of Fools. > > Or someone else is. > > > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > <%40> [ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM > <%40> > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit, > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with > my writings .' > > Thats nice. > > I need not mention what my reaction is. > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW > ASTROLOGY' which i do not. > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins > or 30 mins, he truly does not care. > > Light > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > <%40> <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was > wrong. > > > > > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars > who is > > disposing Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury > in > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his > 3rd > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a > good > > writer. > > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but > he > > is a good orator and writer both. > > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and > sub > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and > that is > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > > > Now trace the books in it. > > > > These are in Mercury. > > > > > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart > and the > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde > dispositor > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the > ongoing > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and > Fire. > > > > > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will > show up > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have > gadgets > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to > comment > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my > assumptions . > > > > > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my > writings . > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > [ <%40> <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > <%40> <%40> > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > Pranam > > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i > had > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband > > wife seperating. > > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you > to > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u, > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u > ignore > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the > beans > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw > him > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he > says > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at > home > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is > going > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far > i > > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital > harmony, > > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real > story > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your > wife > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let > go > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and > he > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart > 1 > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and > now > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar - > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my > > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net > first > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and > hence > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would > be > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its > own > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it > comes > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction > that > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for > your > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > > > best wishes > > Sunil John > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, Am relieved to know you are not hurt. As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go to the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the event & not just predict the event. As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event, forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.' best SJ , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I am not hurt. > > Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you. > > Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem. > > Any way it was a very good experience. > > > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit > Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will > hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the > spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that > we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning > implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies > of today, not for her genunie acting. > > You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as > secondary object in > 1st two cases. > SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a > tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including > me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the > person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take > the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out > due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it. > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is > an > indicative subject. > > SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not > its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are > low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back. > > If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life > then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant > expect that out of anyone else. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > This is my last post also for you to understand. > > > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only > in the > > 3rd case this was a direct issue. > > > > > > > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same > conclusion > > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have > a good > > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which > he is > > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's > personal > > view about the life. > > > > > > > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly > about > > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to > conclude > > direct with books. > > > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is > no end > > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are > good in > > one another in two. > > > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary > object in > > 1st two cases. > > > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the > > persons. > > > > > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology > is an > > indicative subject. > > > > > > > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject > is > > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. > > > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will > > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic > and will > > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that > everything > > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. > > > > > > > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and > this > > list is also of Fools. > > > > Or someone else is. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM > > <%40> > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Inderjit, > > > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. > > > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied > with > > my writings .' > > > > Thats nice. > > > > I need not mention what my reaction is. > > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that > > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After > > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant > predict > > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have > > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what > is > > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what > > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night > > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW > > ASTROLOGY' which i do not. > > > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he > > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting > > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to > be > > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 > mins > > or 30 mins, he truly does not care. > > > > Light > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > > > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars > > who is > > > disposing Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > > > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of > Mercury > > in > > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > > > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > > > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his > > 3rd > > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a > > good > > > writer. > > > > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , > but > > he > > > is a good orator and writer both. > > > > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and > > sub > > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and > > that is > > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > > > > > Now trace the books in it. > > > > > > These are in Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart > > and the > > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > > > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde > > dispositor > > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > > > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > > > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the > > ongoing > > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign > and > > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and > > Fire. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will > > show up > > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have > > gadgets > > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to > > comment > > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my > > assumptions . > > > > > > > > > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my > > writings . > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > > [ > <%40> > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i > > had > > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get > involved > > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > > > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > > > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of > husband > > > wife seperating. > > > > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging > you > > to > > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to > u, > > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u > > ignore > > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the > > beans > > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw > > him > > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to > Nashik > > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he > > says > > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at > > home > > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is > > going > > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So > far > > i > > > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > > > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital > > harmony, > > > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > > > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is > not > > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > > > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real > > story > > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your > > wife > > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will > let > > go > > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > > > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and > > he > > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek > hojaye > > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books > first > > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, > others > > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of > Chart > > 1 > > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and > > now > > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > > > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar > - > > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means > man > > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is > my > > > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > > > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net > > first > > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could > not > > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start > searching > > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and > > hence > > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which > would > > be > > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its > > own > > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it > > comes > > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction > > that > > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for > > your > > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > > > > > best wishes > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dear Sunil, You reached at the point from where we begin, You did not understand when I refused to see the 3rd chart , it means was in polite language that it had no relation with present contest , or it has load of everything like a donkey have, an astrologer shall understand immediately that at what is another astrologer . You have the luck to meet many good astrologers and learn . The whole Universe come in one word Oma. In the same way everything comes under Five elements and Three Gunas, Raj Tam and Sat call them /Movable/Fix and Dual. Or call them Created/original, basic/Life force. And you had the luck to 1st hand meet those persons and to look at those charts who were related to books on some point. With the Teachers you had ,who guided you to go core of the problem. But you was not able to. Then who are at fault? I learned astrology from Street Astrologers or due to my having family relations with the Bhrighu Sanhita persons. Though much egos travel in these Lists , but I shaped astrology from these, I gave and took both. I am only on two lists you know , in this , it was due to my interest in KN Rao and another is my own created , which is not much active but archives contains many things. But when ever confused I take guidance from Meditation or from the very basic fundamentals of Astrology and imagine the No's of Books I have. This would be appreciable if it had been shared as it is. Because me or other persons were not attempting to your quiz. Every one tried to help understand Books to you. This was why I asked you when the story was disclosed, why you need to ask? A person having the question paper, its solution and having it learned from Core ; what was the reason still asking others? You had put me again in the beginning. This was spirit of Astrology. I do not need any answer and prefer you to be a good Astrologer, which also I came to know from you. I will be busy in some Pooja , so do not hope any reply from me now. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Friday, November 14, 2008 11:09 AM Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, Am relieved to know you are not hurt. As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go to the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the event & not just predict the event. As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event, forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.' best SJ <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I am not hurt. > > Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you. > > Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem. > > Any way it was a very good experience. > > > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > <%40> [ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM > <%40> > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit > Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will > hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the > spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that > we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning > implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies > of today, not for her genunie acting. > > You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as > secondary object in > 1st two cases. > SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a > tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including > me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the > person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take > the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out > due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it. > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is > an > indicative subject. > > SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not > its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are > low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back. > > If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life > then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant > expect that out of anyone else. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > This is my last post also for you to understand. > > > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only > in the > > 3rd case this was a direct issue. > > > > > > > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same > conclusion > > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have > a good > > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which > he is > > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's > personal > > view about the life. > > > > > > > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly > about > > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to > conclude > > direct with books. > > > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is > no end > > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are > good in > > one another in two. > > > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary > object in > > 1st two cases. > > > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the > > persons. > > > > > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology > is an > > indicative subject. > > > > > > > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject > is > > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. > > > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will > > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic > and will > > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that > everything > > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. > > > > > > > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and > this > > list is also of Fools. > > > > Or someone else is. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > [ <%40> <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM > > <%40> <%40> > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Inderjit, > > > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. > > > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied > with > > my writings .' > > > > Thats nice. > > > > I need not mention what my reaction is. > > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that > > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After > > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant > predict > > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have > > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what > is > > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what > > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night > > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW > > ASTROLOGY' which i do not. > > > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he > > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting > > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to > be > > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 > mins > > or 30 mins, he truly does not care. > > > > Light > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > <%40> > <%40> > <%40> > > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > > > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars > > who is > > > disposing Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > > > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of > Mercury > > in > > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > > > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > > > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his > > 3rd > > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a > > good > > > writer. > > > > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , > but > > he > > > is a good orator and writer both. > > > > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and > > sub > > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and > > that is > > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > > > > > Now trace the books in it. > > > > > > These are in Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart > > and the > > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > > > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde > > dispositor > > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > > > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > > > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the > > ongoing > > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign > and > > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and > > Fire. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will > > show up > > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have > > gadgets > > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to > > comment > > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my > > assumptions . > > > > > > > > > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my > > writings . > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > <%40> > > > > [ <%40> > <%40> > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > > <%40> <%40> > > <%40> > > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i > > had > > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get > involved > > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > > > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > > > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of > husband > > > wife seperating. > > > > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging > you > > to > > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to > u, > > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u > > ignore > > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the > > beans > > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw > > him > > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to > Nashik > > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His > > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he > > says > > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at > > home > > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is > > going > > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So > far > > i > > > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > > > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital > > harmony, > > > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > > > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is > not > > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > > > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real > > story > > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your > > wife > > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will > let > > go > > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > > > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and > > he > > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa > > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek > hojaye > > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books > first > > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, > others > > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of > Chart > > 1 > > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and > > now > > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied > > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > > > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar > - > > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in > > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means > man > > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is > my > > > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > > > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net > > first > > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could > not > > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start > searching > > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and > > hence > > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which > would > > be > > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its > > own > > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it > > comes > > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction > > that > > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for > > your > > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come > > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > > > > > best wishes > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, I don't see a reason why so much justification is needed through such long mails, this thread died long back . > You reached at the point from where we begin, I am sorry to read above, if that is the point i would not want to go ahead at all and must go back to basics of astrology. I would rather visit basics and find out the karaka of books etc and predict how the Gujurat guy predicted that i mentioned in the mail than go ahead & reach your point. Though it should not be mentioned in a forum as it is someone elses right to write on it but felt the situation fits apt, see in a book that was referred in a magazine recently from that i remember. In that it is written ' the man travelled for 11 years wherein finally he meets under the Himalayas an astrologer who is most revered by the many lamas and was asked to learn astrology from such a man. When the man nears the hut he sees a sign outside the hut Mujhe Jyotish Nahin Aata Hain 'I DO NOT KNOW ASTROLOGY' The only person i myself met who repeats the same line incidentally is the holder of Chart 1 and thats what attracted me to him since he accepts it honestly month after month and now it is more than 36 months i know him. It is akin to Madura Krishnamoorthy Shastriji the 80 yr old legend among Jaimini Astrologers in Andhra who has spent 49 years in Jaimini , recd award from President but still repeats to me every 2nd time i talk to him ' Sunil, inspite of all my effort i have not been able to understand Jaimini'. And today we have people whose age is not even 49 who unlike Shastriji do not know Sanskrit but cant accept it openly since their students will run away and they roll out Maharishi Course. As if by doing that course one would become Maharishi or become a scholar lol. If one asks them to kindly list the various commentaries on Jaimini, suddenly their computer develops some error or they choose not to see your mail, how can they vanish from forums from 3 years every time the question is asked. Only recently i realised that if one asks this question then their Throne is Threatened and foolishly i was thinking to go on a mission to remove out all the manuscripts of Jaimini for the benefit that they be translated, today intention of learning is useless. Good bye SJ , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > You reached at the point from where we begin, > > You did not understand when I refused to see the 3rd chart , it means was > in polite language that it had no relation with present contest , or it has > load of everything like a donkey have, an astrologer shall understand > immediately that at what is another astrologer . > > > > > > You have the luck to meet many good astrologers and learn . > > The whole Universe come in one word Oma. > > > > In the same way everything comes under Five elements and Three Gunas, Raj > Tam and Sat call them /Movable/Fix and Dual. > > > > Or call them Created/original, basic/Life force. > > > > And you had the luck to 1st hand meet those persons and to look at those > charts who were related to books on some point. > > > > With the Teachers you had ,who guided you to go core of the problem. But > you was not able to. Then who are at fault? > > > > I learned astrology from Street Astrologers or due to my having family > relations with the Bhrighu Sanhita persons. > > Though much egos travel in these Lists , but I shaped astrology from these, > I gave and took both. > > I am only on two lists you know , in this , it was due to my interest in KN > Rao and another is my own created , which is not much active but archives > contains many things. > > But when ever confused I take guidance from Meditation or from the very > basic fundamentals of Astrology and imagine the No's of Books I have. > > > > This would be appreciable if it had been shared as it is. > > > > Because me or other persons were not attempting to your quiz. > > Every one tried to help understand Books to you. > > > > This was why I asked you when the story was disclosed, why you need to ask? > > > > A person having the question paper, its solution and having it learned from > Core ; what was the reason still asking others? > > You had put me again in the beginning. > > > > > > This was spirit of Astrology. > > > > I do not need any answer and prefer you to be a good Astrologer, which > also I came to know from you. > > I will be busy in some Pooja , so do not hope any reply from me now. > > > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Friday, November 14, 2008 11:09 AM > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit, > Am relieved to know you are not hurt. > > As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go to > the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the event > & not just predict the event. > > As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is > Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event, > forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.' > > best > SJ > > <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > I am not hurt. > > > > Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you. > > > > Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem. > > > > Any way it was a very good experience. > > > > > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM > > <%40> > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Inderjit > > Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka > will > > hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know > the > > spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know > that > > we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself > (meaning > > implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies > > of today, not for her genunie acting. > > > > You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as > > secondary object in > > 1st two cases. > > SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a > > tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers > including > > me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the > > person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take > > the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him > out > > due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about > it. > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology > is > > an > > indicative subject. > > > > SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have > not > > its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are > > low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back. > > > > If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life > > then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant > > expect that out of anyone else. > > > > best wishes > > Sunil > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > This is my last post also for you to understand. > > > > > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , > only > > in the > > > 3rd case this was a direct issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same > > conclusion > > > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have > > a good > > > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which > > he is > > > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's > > personal > > > view about the life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly > > about > > > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to > > conclude > > > direct with books. > > > > > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is > > no end > > > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are > > good in > > > one another in two. > > > > > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary > > object in > > > 1st two cases. > > > > > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the > > > persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as > astrology > > is an > > > indicative subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject > > is > > > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc. > > > > > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will > > > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic > > and will > > > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that > > everything > > > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that. > > > > > > > > > > > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool > and > > this > > > list is also of Fools. > > > > > > Or someone else is. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > > [ > <%40> > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Inderjit, > > > > > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread. > > > > > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied > > with > > > my writings .' > > > > > > Thats nice. > > > > > > I need not mention what my reaction is. > > > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that > > > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. > After > > > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant > > predict > > > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would > have > > > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology > what > > is > > > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what > > > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the > night > > > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW > > > ASTROLOGY' which i do not. > > > > > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he > > > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting > > > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to > > be > > > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 > > mins > > > or 30 mins, he truly does not care. > > > > > > Light > > > > > > Sunil John > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > > > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer, > > > > > > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by > Mars > > > who is > > > > disposing Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars. > > > > > > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of > > Mercury > > > in > > > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude. > > > > > > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books. > > > > > > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his > > > 3rd > > > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a > > > good > > > > writer. > > > > > > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , > > but > > > he > > > > is a good orator and writer both. > > > > > > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant > and > > > sub > > > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars > and > > > that is > > > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular. > > > > > > > > Now trace the books in it. > > > > > > > > These are in Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st > chart > > > and the > > > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted. > > > > > > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord > > > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde > > > dispositor > > > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand. > > > > > > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury. > > > > > > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the > > > ongoing > > > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign > > and > > > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and > > > Fire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will > > > show up > > > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can > have > > > gadgets > > > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to > > > comment > > > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my > > > assumptions . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my > > > writings . > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > [ > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as > i > > > had > > > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get > > involved > > > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum > > > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines. > > > > > > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place. > > > > > > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the > > > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of > > husband > > > > wife seperating. > > > > > > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging > > you > > > to > > > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier > to > > u, > > > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u > > > ignore > > > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the > > > beans > > > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to > throw > > > him > > > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to > > Nashik > > > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. > His > > > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he > > > says > > > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining > at > > > home > > > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is > > > going > > > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So > > far > > > i > > > > have not had the opportunity to intervene. > > > > > > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital > > > harmony, > > > > i remembered this prediction given to me. > > > > > > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is > > not > > > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his > > > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc > > > > > > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real > > > story > > > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your > > > wife > > > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will > > let > > > go > > > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query. > > > > > > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead > and > > > he > > > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said > 'Jaa > > > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek > > hojaye > > > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books > > first > > > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning > > > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, > > others > > > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of > > Chart > > > 1 > > > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc > and > > > now > > > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it > Photocopied > > > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies > > > > > > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais > Barabar > > - > > > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that > in > > > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means > > man > > > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil > is > > my > > > > Gujurat Astrologer told me. > > > > > > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net > > > first > > > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could > > not > > > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start > > searching > > > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and > > > hence > > > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which > > would > > > be > > > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on > its > > > own > > > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it > > > comes > > > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction > > > that > > > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for > > > your > > > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you > come > > > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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