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Om Datta Guru

 

Pranam

 

Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had

mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved

in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

 

Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

 

How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband

wife seperating.

 

Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to

take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u,

he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore

it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans

that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him

out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik

with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says

that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home

(out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going

to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i

have not had the opportunity to intervene.

 

Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony,

i remembered this prediction given to me.

 

 

The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not

how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

 

Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story

is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife

would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go

of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

 

Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he

was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye

ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first

rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others

will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1

had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now

the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

 

Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar -

now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man

does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my

Gujurat Astrologer told me.

 

When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first

i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not

get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching

is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence

posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be

just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own

to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes

to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that

is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your

marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

 

best wishes

Sunil John

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil,

 

The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

 

But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was wrong.

 

 

 

It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars who is

disposing Mercury.

 

 

 

Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

 

Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury in

which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

 

Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

 

This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his 3rd

cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a good

writer.

 

Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but he

is a good orator and writer both.

 

He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and sub

lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and that is

causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

 

Now trace the books in it.

 

These are in Mercury.

 

 

 

Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart and the

list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

 

12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde dispositor

of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

 

 

 

So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

 

The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

 

By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the ongoing

talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and

connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and Fire.

 

 

 

In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will show up

to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have gadgets

, books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to comment

on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my assumptions .

 

 

 

With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my writings .

 

With Best Wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

 

Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

 

Pranam

 

Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i had

mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved

in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

 

Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

 

How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband

wife seperating.

 

Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you to

take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u,

he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u ignore

it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the beans

that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw him

out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik

with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he says

that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at home

(out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is going

to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far i

have not had the opportunity to intervene.

 

Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital harmony,

i remembered this prediction given to me.

 

The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not

how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

 

Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real story

is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your wife

would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let go

of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

 

Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and he

was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye

ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first

rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others

will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart 1

had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and now

the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

 

Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar -

now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man

does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my

Gujurat Astrologer told me.

 

When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net first

i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not

get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching

is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and hence

posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would be

just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its own

to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it comes

to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction that

is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for your

marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

 

best wishes

Sunil John

 

 

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit,

 

I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

 

You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with

my writings .'

 

Thats nice.

 

I need not mention what my reaction is.

4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After

involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict

then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have

great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is

important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night

and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

 

He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be

taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins

or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

 

 

 

Light

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

>

> But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

wrong.

>

>

>

> It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars

who is

> disposing Mercury.

>

>

>

> Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

>

> Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury

in

> which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

>

> Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

>

> This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

3rd

> cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

good

> writer.

>

> Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but

he

> is a good orator and writer both.

>

> He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and

sub

> lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and

that is

> causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

>

> Now trace the books in it.

>

> These are in Mercury.

>

>

>

> Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart

and the

> list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

>

> 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

dispositor

> of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

>

>

>

> So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

>

> The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

>

> By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

ongoing

> talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and

> connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

Fire.

>

>

>

> In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

show up

> to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have

gadgets

> , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

comment

> on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

assumptions .

>

>

>

> With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

writings .

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

>

> Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Pranam

>

> Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i

had

> mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved

> in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

>

> Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

>

> How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband

> wife seperating.

>

> Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you

to

> take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u,

> he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

ignore

> it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

beans

> that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw

him

> out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik

> with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

> collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

says

> that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at

home

> (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

going

> to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far

i

> have not had the opportunity to intervene.

>

> Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

harmony,

> i remembered this prediction given to me.

>

> The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not

> how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

>

> Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

story

> is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

wife

> would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let

go

> of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

>

> Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and

he

> was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

> tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye

> ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first

> rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others

> will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart

1

> had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and

now

> the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

> copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

>

> Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar -

> now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

> english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man

> does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my

> Gujurat Astrologer told me.

>

> When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

first

> i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not

> get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching

> is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

hence

> posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would

be

> just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its

own

> to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

comes

> to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

that

> is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

your

> marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

> home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

>

> best wishes

> Sunil John

>

>

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Dear Sunil,

 

This is my last post also for you to understand.

 

The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only in the

3rd case this was a direct issue.

 

 

 

Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same conclusion

about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have a good

show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which he is

not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's personal

view about the life.

 

 

 

I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly about

books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to conclude

direct with books.

 

Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is no end

in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are good in

one another in two.

 

The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary object in

1st two cases.

 

In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the

persons.

 

 

 

Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is an

indicative subject.

 

 

 

More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject is

Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

 

The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will

explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic and will

relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that everything

is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

 

 

 

With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and this

list is also of Fools.

 

Or someone else is.

 

 

 

With Best Wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

 

Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit,

 

I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

 

You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with

my writings .'

 

Thats nice.

 

I need not mention what my reaction is.

4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After

involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant predict

then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have

great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what is

important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night

and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

 

He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to be

taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2 mins

or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

 

Light

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

<%40>

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

>

> But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

wrong.

>

>

>

> It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars

who is

> disposing Mercury.

>

>

>

> Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

>

> Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of Mercury

in

> which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

>

> Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

>

> This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

3rd

> cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

good

> writer.

>

> Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book , but

he

> is a good orator and writer both.

>

> He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and

sub

> lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and

that is

> causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

>

> Now trace the books in it.

>

> These are in Mercury.

>

>

>

> Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart

and the

> list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

>

> 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

dispositor

> of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

>

>

>

> So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

>

> The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

>

> By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

ongoing

> talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign and

> connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

Fire.

>

>

>

> In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

show up

> to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have

gadgets

> , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

comment

> on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

assumptions .

>

>

>

> With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

writings .

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

>

> <%40>

 

[ <%40>

] On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> <%40>

> Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Pranam

>

> Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i

had

> mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get involved

> in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

>

> Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

>

> How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of husband

> wife seperating.

>

> Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging you

to

> take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to u,

> he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

ignore

> it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

beans

> that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw

him

> out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to Nashik

> with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

> collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

says

> that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at

home

> (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

going

> to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So far

i

> have not had the opportunity to intervene.

>

> Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

harmony,

> i remembered this prediction given to me.

>

> The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is not

> how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

>

> Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

story

> is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

wife

> would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will let

go

> of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

>

> Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and

he

> was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

> tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek hojaye

> ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books first

> rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away, others

> will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of Chart

1

> had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and

now

> the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

> copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

>

> Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar -

> now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

> english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means man

> does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is my

> Gujurat Astrologer told me.

>

> When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

first

> i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could not

> get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start searching

> is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

hence

> posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which would

be

> just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its

own

> to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

comes

> to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

that

> is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

your

> marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

> home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

>

> best wishes

> Sunil John

>

>

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit

Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will

hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the

spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that

we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning

implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies

of today, not for her genunie acting.

 

You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as

secondary object in

1st two cases.

SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a

tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including

me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the

person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take

the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out

due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it.

 

 

Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is

an

indicative subject.

 

SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not

its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are

low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back.

 

If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life

then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant

expect that out of anyone else.

 

best wishes

Sunil

 

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> This is my last post also for you to understand.

>

> The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only

in the

> 3rd case this was a direct issue.

>

>

>

> Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same

conclusion

> about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have

a good

> show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which

he is

> not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's

personal

> view about the life.

>

>

>

> I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly

about

> books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to

conclude

> direct with books.

>

> Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is

no end

> in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are

good in

> one another in two.

>

> The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary

object in

> 1st two cases.

>

> In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the

> persons.

>

>

>

> Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology

is an

> indicative subject.

>

>

>

> More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject

is

> Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

>

> The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will

> explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic

and will

> relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that

everything

> is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

>

>

>

> With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and

this

> list is also of Fools.

>

> Or someone else is.

>

>

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

>

> Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Inderjit,

>

> I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

>

> You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied

with

> my writings .'

>

> Thats nice.

>

> I need not mention what my reaction is.

> 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

> happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After

> involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant

predict

> then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have

> great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what

is

> important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

> finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night

> and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

> ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

>

> He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

> comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

> books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to

be

> taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2

mins

> or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

>

> Light

>

> Sunil John

> Mumbai

>

>

<%40>

> , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

> >

> > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

> wrong.

> >

> >

> >

> > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars

> who is

> > disposing Mercury.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

> >

> > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of

Mercury

> in

> > which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

> >

> > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

> >

> > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

> 3rd

> > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

> good

> > writer.

> >

> > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book ,

but

> he

> > is a good orator and writer both.

> >

> > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and

> sub

> > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and

> that is

> > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

> >

> > Now trace the books in it.

> >

> > These are in Mercury.

> >

> >

> >

> > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart

> and the

> > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

> >

> > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

> dispositor

> > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

> >

> >

> >

> > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

> >

> > The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

> >

> > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

> ongoing

> > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign

and

> > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

> Fire.

> >

> >

> >

> > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

> show up

> > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have

> gadgets

> > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

> comment

> > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

> assumptions .

> >

> >

> >

> > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

> writings .

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

<%40>

>

> [

<%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> >

<%40>

> > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Pranam

> >

> > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i

> had

> > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get

involved

> > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> > office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

> >

> > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

> >

> > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of

husband

> > wife seperating.

> >

> > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging

you

> to

> > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to

u,

> > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

> ignore

> > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

> beans

> > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw

> him

> > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to

Nashik

> > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

> > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

> says

> > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at

> home

> > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

> going

> > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So

far

> i

> > have not had the opportunity to intervene.

> >

> > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

> harmony,

> > i remembered this prediction given to me.

> >

> > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is

not

> > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

> >

> > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

> story

> > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

> wife

> > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will

let

> go

> > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

> >

> > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and

> he

> > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

> > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek

hojaye

> > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books

first

> > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away,

others

> > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of

Chart

> 1

> > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and

> now

> > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

> > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

> >

> > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar

-

> > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

> > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means

man

> > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is

my

> > Gujurat Astrologer told me.

> >

> > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

> first

> > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could

not

> > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start

searching

> > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

> hence

> > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which

would

> be

> > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its

> own

> > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

> comes

> > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

> that

> > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

> your

> > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

> > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

> >

> > best wishes

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

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Dear Sunil,

 

I am not hurt.

 

Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you.

 

Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem.

 

Any way it was a very good experience.

 

 

 

With Best wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM

 

Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit

Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka will

hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know the

spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know that

we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself (meaning

implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies

of today, not for her genunie acting.

 

You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as

secondary object in

1st two cases.

SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a

tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers including

me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the

person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take

the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him out

due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about it.

 

Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology is

an

indicative subject.

 

SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have not

its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are

low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back.

 

If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life

then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant

expect that out of anyone else.

 

best wishes

Sunil

 

<%40>

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> This is my last post also for you to understand.

>

> The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck , only

in the

> 3rd case this was a direct issue.

>

>

>

> Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same

conclusion

> about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have

a good

> show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which

he is

> not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's

personal

> view about the life.

>

>

>

> I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly

about

> books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to

conclude

> direct with books.

>

> Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is

no end

> in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are

good in

> one another in two.

>

> The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary

object in

> 1st two cases.

>

> In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the

> persons.

>

>

>

> Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology

is an

> indicative subject.

>

>

>

> More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject

is

> Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

>

> The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will

> explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic

and will

> relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that

everything

> is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

>

>

>

> With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool and

this

> list is also of Fools.

>

> Or someone else is.

>

>

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

>

> <%40>

 

[ <%40>

] On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

> <%40>

> Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Inderjit,

>

> I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

>

> You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied

with

> my writings .'

>

> Thats nice.

>

> I need not mention what my reaction is.

> 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

> happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it. After

> involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant

predict

> then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would have

> great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology what

is

> important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

> finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the night

> and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

> ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

>

> He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

> comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

> books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to

be

> taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2

mins

> or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

>

> Light

>

> Sunil John

> Mumbai

>

>

<%40>

<%40>

> , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

> >

> > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

> wrong.

> >

> >

> >

> > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by Mars

> who is

> > disposing Mercury.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

> >

> > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of

Mercury

> in

> > which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

> >

> > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

> >

> > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

> 3rd

> > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

> good

> > writer.

> >

> > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book ,

but

> he

> > is a good orator and writer both.

> >

> > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant and

> sub

> > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars and

> that is

> > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

> >

> > Now trace the books in it.

> >

> > These are in Mercury.

> >

> >

> >

> > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st chart

> and the

> > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

> >

> > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

> dispositor

> > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

> >

> >

> >

> > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

> >

> > The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

> >

> > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

> ongoing

> > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign

and

> > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

> Fire.

> >

> >

> >

> > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

> show up

> > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can have

> gadgets

> > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

> comment

> > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

> assumptions .

> >

> >

> >

> > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

> writings .

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

<%40>

<%40>

>

> [

<%40>

<%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> > <%40>

 

<%40>

> > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Pranam

> >

> > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as i

> had

> > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get

involved

> > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> > office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

> >

> > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

> >

> > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of

husband

> > wife seperating.

> >

> > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging

you

> to

> > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier to

u,

> > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

> ignore

> > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

> beans

> > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to throw

> him

> > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to

Nashik

> > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there. His

> > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

> says

> > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining at

> home

> > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

> going

> > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So

far

> i

> > have not had the opportunity to intervene.

> >

> > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

> harmony,

> > i remembered this prediction given to me.

> >

> > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is

not

> > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

> >

> > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

> story

> > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

> wife

> > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will

let

> go

> > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

> >

> > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead and

> he

> > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said 'Jaa

> > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek

hojaye

> > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books

first

> > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away,

others

> > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of

Chart

> 1

> > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc and

> now

> > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it Photocopied

> > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

> >

> > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais Barabar

-

> > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that in

> > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means

man

> > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil is

my

> > Gujurat Astrologer told me.

> >

> > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

> first

> > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could

not

> > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start

searching

> > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

> hence

> > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which

would

> be

> > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on its

> own

> > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

> comes

> > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

> that

> > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

> your

> > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you come

> > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

> >

> > best wishes

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit,

Am relieved to know you are not hurt.

 

As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go to

the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the event

& not just predict the event.

 

As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is

Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event,

forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.'

 

best

SJ

 

 

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I am not hurt.

>

> Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you.

>

> Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem.

>

> Any way it was a very good experience.

>

>

>

> With Best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM

>

> Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Inderjit

> Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka

will

> hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know

the

> spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know

that

> we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself

(meaning

> implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies

> of today, not for her genunie acting.

>

> You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as

> secondary object in

> 1st two cases.

> SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a

> tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers

including

> me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the

> person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take

> the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him

out

> due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about

it.

>

> Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology

is

> an

> indicative subject.

>

> SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have

not

> its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are

> low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back.

>

> If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life

> then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant

> expect that out of anyone else.

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

>

>

<%40>

> , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > This is my last post also for you to understand.

> >

> > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck ,

only

> in the

> > 3rd case this was a direct issue.

> >

> >

> >

> > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same

> conclusion

> > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have

> a good

> > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which

> he is

> > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's

> personal

> > view about the life.

> >

> >

> >

> > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly

> about

> > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to

> conclude

> > direct with books.

> >

> > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is

> no end

> > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are

> good in

> > one another in two.

> >

> > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary

> object in

> > 1st two cases.

> >

> > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the

> > persons.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as

astrology

> is an

> > indicative subject.

> >

> >

> >

> > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject

> is

> > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

> >

> > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will

> > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic

> and will

> > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that

> everything

> > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

> >

> >

> >

> > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool

and

> this

> > list is also of Fools.

> >

> > Or someone else is.

> >

> >

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

<%40>

>

> [

<%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

> >

<%40>

> > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Inderjit,

> >

> > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

> >

> > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied

> with

> > my writings .'

> >

> > Thats nice.

> >

> > I need not mention what my reaction is.

> > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

> > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it.

After

> > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant

> predict

> > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would

have

> > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology

what

> is

> > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

> > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the

night

> > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

> > ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

> >

> > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

> > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

> > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to

> be

> > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2

> mins

> > or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

> >

> > Light

> >

> > Sunil John

> > Mumbai

> >

> >

> <%40>

> <%40>

> > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

> > >

> > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

> > wrong.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by

Mars

> > who is

> > > disposing Mercury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

> > >

> > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of

> Mercury

> > in

> > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

> > >

> > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

> > >

> > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

> > 3rd

> > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

> > good

> > > writer.

> > >

> > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book ,

> but

> > he

> > > is a good orator and writer both.

> > >

> > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant

and

> > sub

> > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars

and

> > that is

> > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

> > >

> > > Now trace the books in it.

> > >

> > > These are in Mercury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st

chart

> > and the

> > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

> > >

> > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

> > dispositor

> > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

> > >

> > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

> > >

> > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

> > ongoing

> > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign

> and

> > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

> > Fire.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

> > show up

> > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can

have

> > gadgets

> > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

> > comment

> > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

> > assumptions .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

> > writings .

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> <%40>

> >

> > [

> <%40>

> <%40>

> > ] On

> > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> > >

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>

> <%40>

> > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Pranam

> > >

> > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as

i

> > had

> > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get

> involved

> > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

> > >

> > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

> > >

> > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of

> husband

> > > wife seperating.

> > >

> > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging

> you

> > to

> > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier

to

> u,

> > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

> > ignore

> > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

> > beans

> > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to

throw

> > him

> > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to

> Nashik

> > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there.

His

> > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

> > says

> > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining

at

> > home

> > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

> > going

> > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So

> far

> > i

> > > have not had the opportunity to intervene.

> > >

> > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

> > harmony,

> > > i remembered this prediction given to me.

> > >

> > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is

> not

> > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

> > >

> > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

> > story

> > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

> > wife

> > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will

> let

> > go

> > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

> > >

> > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead

and

> > he

> > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said

'Jaa

> > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek

> hojaye

> > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books

> first

> > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away,

> others

> > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of

> Chart

> > 1

> > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc

and

> > now

> > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it

Photocopied

> > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

> > >

> > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais

Barabar

> -

> > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that

in

> > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means

> man

> > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil

is

> my

> > > Gujurat Astrologer told me.

> > >

> > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

> > first

> > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could

> not

> > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start

> searching

> > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

> > hence

> > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which

> would

> > be

> > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on

its

> > own

> > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

> > comes

> > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

> > that

> > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

> > your

> > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you

come

> > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

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Dear Sunil,

 

You reached at the point from where we begin,

 

You did not understand when I refused to see the 3rd chart , it means was

in polite language that it had no relation with present contest , or it has

load of everything like a donkey have, an astrologer shall understand

immediately that at what is another astrologer .

 

 

 

 

 

You have the luck to meet many good astrologers and learn .

 

The whole Universe come in one word Oma.

 

 

 

In the same way everything comes under Five elements and Three Gunas, Raj

Tam and Sat call them /Movable/Fix and Dual.

 

 

 

Or call them Created/original, basic/Life force.

 

 

 

And you had the luck to 1st hand meet those persons and to look at those

charts who were related to books on some point.

 

 

 

With the Teachers you had ,who guided you to go core of the problem. But

you was not able to. Then who are at fault?

 

 

 

I learned astrology from Street Astrologers or due to my having family

relations with the Bhrighu Sanhita persons.

 

Though much egos travel in these Lists , but I shaped astrology from these,

I gave and took both.

 

I am only on two lists you know , in this , it was due to my interest in KN

Rao and another is my own created , which is not much active but archives

contains many things.

 

But when ever confused I take guidance from Meditation or from the very

basic fundamentals of Astrology and imagine the No's of Books I have.

 

 

 

This would be appreciable if it had been shared as it is.

 

 

 

Because me or other persons were not attempting to your quiz.

 

Every one tried to help understand Books to you.

 

 

 

This was why I asked you when the story was disclosed, why you need to ask?

 

 

 

A person having the question paper, its solution and having it learned from

Core ; what was the reason still asking others?

 

You had put me again in the beginning.

 

 

 

 

 

This was spirit of Astrology.

 

 

 

I do not need any answer and prefer you to be a good Astrologer, which

also I came to know from you.

 

I will be busy in some Pooja , so do not hope any reply from me now.

 

 

 

With Best wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Friday, November 14, 2008 11:09 AM

 

Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit,

Am relieved to know you are not hurt.

 

As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go to

the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the event

& not just predict the event.

 

As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is

Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event,

forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.'

 

best

SJ

 

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, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I am not hurt.

>

> Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught you.

>

> Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem.

>

> Any way it was a very good experience.

>

>

>

> With Best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

> <%40>

 

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] On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM

> <%40>

> Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Inderjit

> Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka

will

> hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know

the

> spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know

that

> we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself

(meaning

> implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the movies

> of today, not for her genunie acting.

>

> You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as

> secondary object in

> 1st two cases.

> SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a

> tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers

including

> me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask the

> person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to take

> the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him

out

> due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about

it.

>

> Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as astrology

is

> an

> indicative subject.

>

> SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have

not

> its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations are

> low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long back.

>

> If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my life

> then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant

> expect that out of anyone else.

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

>

>

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<%40>

> , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > This is my last post also for you to understand.

> >

> > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck ,

only

> in the

> > 3rd case this was a direct issue.

> >

> >

> >

> > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same

> conclusion

> > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to have

> a good

> > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though which

> he is

> > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's

> personal

> > view about the life.

> >

> >

> >

> > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers directly

> about

> > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to

> conclude

> > direct with books.

> >

> > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there is

> no end

> > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some are

> good in

> > one another in two.

> >

> > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary

> object in

> > 1st two cases.

> >

> > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of the

> > persons.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as

astrology

> is an

> > indicative subject.

> >

> >

> >

> > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or subject

> is

> > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

> >

> > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they will

> > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a magic

> and will

> > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that

> everything

> > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

> >

> >

> >

> > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool

and

> this

> > list is also of Fools.

> >

> > Or someone else is.

> >

> >

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

> [

<%40>

<%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

> > <%40>

 

<%40>

> > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Inderjit,

> >

> > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

> >

> > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied

> with

> > my writings .'

> >

> > Thats nice.

> >

> > I need not mention what my reaction is.

> > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

> > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it.

After

> > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant

> predict

> > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would

have

> > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology

what

> is

> > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

> > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the

night

> > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT KNOW

> > ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

> >

> > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books, he

> > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of collecting

> > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path to

> be

> > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2

> mins

> > or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

> >

> > Light

> >

> > Sunil John

> > Mumbai

> >

> >

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> <%40>

> <%40>

> > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

> > >

> > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted was

> > wrong.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by

Mars

> > who is

> > > disposing Mercury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

> > >

> > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of

> Mercury

> > in

> > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

> > >

> > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

> > >

> > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and his

> > 3rd

> > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is a

> > good

> > > writer.

> > >

> > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book ,

> but

> > he

> > > is a good orator and writer both.

> > >

> > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant

and

> > sub

> > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars

and

> > that is

> > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

> > >

> > > Now trace the books in it.

> > >

> > > These are in Mercury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st

chart

> > and the

> > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum afflicted.

> > >

> > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

> > dispositor

> > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

> > >

> > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

> > >

> > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as the

> > ongoing

> > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air sign

> and

> > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air and

> > Fire.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who will

> > show up

> > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can

have

> > gadgets

> > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal to

> > comment

> > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

> > assumptions .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

> > writings .

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> <%40>

> <%40>

> >

> > [

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> <%40>

> <%40>

> > ] On

> > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> > >

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>

> <%40>

> > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Pranam

> > >

> > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments as

i

> > had

> > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get

> involved

> > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish cum

> > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

> > >

> > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

> > >

> > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become the

> > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of

> husband

> > > wife seperating.

> > >

> > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend begging

> you

> > to

> > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier

to

> u,

> > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house, u

> > ignore

> > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills the

> > beans

> > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to

throw

> > him

> > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to

> Nashik

> > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there.

His

> > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that he

> > says

> > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining

at

> > home

> > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he is

> > going

> > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene. So

> far

> > i

> > > have not had the opportunity to intervene.

> > >

> > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

> > harmony,

> > > i remembered this prediction given to me.

> > >

> > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart is

> not

> > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in his

> > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

> > >

> > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the real

> > story

> > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day your

> > wife

> > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you will

> let

> > go

> > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked query.

> > >

> > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead

and

> > he

> > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said

'Jaa

> > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek

> hojaye

> > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books

> first

> > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a stunning

> > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away,

> others

> > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of

> Chart

> > 1

> > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc

and

> > now

> > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it

Photocopied

> > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

> > >

> > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais

Barabar

> -

> > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that

in

> > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it means

> man

> > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil

is

> my

> > > Gujurat Astrologer told me.

> > >

> > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the net

> > first

> > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but could

> not

> > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start

> searching

> > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books and

> > hence

> > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which

> would

> > be

> > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on

its

> > own

> > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when it

> > comes

> > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the prediction

> > that

> > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason for

> > your

> > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you

come

> > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Inderjit,

I don't see a reason why so much justification is needed through such

long mails, this thread died long back .

 

> You reached at the point from where we begin,

 

I am sorry to read above, if that is the point i would not want to go

ahead at all and must go back to basics of astrology. I would rather

visit basics and find out the karaka of books etc and predict how the

Gujurat guy predicted that i mentioned in the mail than go ahead & reach

your point.

 

 

Though it should not be mentioned in a forum as it is someone elses

right to write on it but felt the situation fits apt, see in a book

that was referred in a magazine recently from that i remember. In that

it is written ' the man travelled for 11 years wherein finally he meets

under the Himalayas an astrologer who is most revered by the many lamas

and was asked to learn astrology from such a man. When the man nears the

hut he sees a sign outside the hut Mujhe Jyotish Nahin Aata Hain 'I DO

NOT KNOW ASTROLOGY'

 

The only person i myself met who repeats the same line incidentally is

the holder of Chart 1 and thats what attracted me to him since he

accepts it honestly month after month and now it is more than 36 months

i know him.

 

It is akin to Madura Krishnamoorthy Shastriji the 80 yr old legend among

Jaimini Astrologers in Andhra who has spent 49 years in Jaimini , recd

award from President but still repeats to me every 2nd time i talk to

him ' Sunil, inspite of all my effort i have not been able to understand

Jaimini'. And today we have people whose age is not even 49 who unlike

Shastriji do not know Sanskrit but cant accept it openly since their

students will run away and they roll out Maharishi Course. As if by

doing that course one would become Maharishi or become a scholar lol.

 

If one asks them to kindly list the various commentaries on Jaimini,

suddenly their computer develops some error or they choose not to see

your mail, how can they vanish from forums from 3 years every time the

question is asked. Only recently i realised that if one asks this

question then their Throne is Threatened and foolishly i was thinking

to go on a mission to remove out all the manuscripts of Jaimini for the

benefit that they be translated, today intention of learning is useless.

 

Good bye

 

SJ

 

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> You reached at the point from where we begin,

>

> You did not understand when I refused to see the 3rd chart , it means

was

> in polite language that it had no relation with present contest , or

it has

> load of everything like a donkey have, an astrologer shall understand

> immediately that at what is another astrologer .

>

>

>

>

>

> You have the luck to meet many good astrologers and learn .

>

> The whole Universe come in one word Oma.

>

>

>

> In the same way everything comes under Five elements and Three Gunas,

Raj

> Tam and Sat call them /Movable/Fix and Dual.

>

>

>

> Or call them Created/original, basic/Life force.

>

>

>

> And you had the luck to 1st hand meet those persons and to look at

those

> charts who were related to books on some point.

>

>

>

> With the Teachers you had ,who guided you to go core of the problem.

But

> you was not able to. Then who are at fault?

>

>

>

> I learned astrology from Street Astrologers or due to my having family

> relations with the Bhrighu Sanhita persons.

>

> Though much egos travel in these Lists , but I shaped astrology from

these,

> I gave and took both.

>

> I am only on two lists you know , in this , it was due to my interest

in KN

> Rao and another is my own created , which is not much active but

archives

> contains many things.

>

> But when ever confused I take guidance from Meditation or from the

very

> basic fundamentals of Astrology and imagine the No's of Books I have.

>

>

>

> This would be appreciable if it had been shared as it is.

>

>

>

> Because me or other persons were not attempting to your quiz.

>

> Every one tried to help understand Books to you.

>

>

>

> This was why I asked you when the story was disclosed, why you need

to ask?

>

>

>

> A person having the question paper, its solution and having it learned

from

> Core ; what was the reason still asking others?

>

> You had put me again in the beginning.

>

>

>

>

>

> This was spirit of Astrology.

>

>

>

> I do not need any answer and prefer you to be a good Astrologer,

which

> also I came to know from you.

>

> I will be busy in some Pooja , so do not hope any reply from me now.

>

>

>

> With Best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Friday, November 14, 2008 11:09 AM

>

> Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Inderjit,

> Am relieved to know you are not hurt.

>

> As for those who taught me will not be hurt, as they guided me to go

to

> the core of the problem, the core of the karma that is causing the

event

> & not just predict the event.

>

> As one of my mentors say 'Astrologers say the basis of Astrology is

> Karma, but are not able to predict the Karma that caused the event,

> forget about predicting the different layers in that karma.'

>

> best

> SJ

>

>

<%40>

> , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I am not hurt.

> >

> > Because I am not your teacher, only those can be hurt who taught

you.

> >

> > Answering rest of the mail will be ego problem.

> >

> > Any way it was a very good experience.

> >

> >

> >

> > With Best wishes,

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

<%40>

>

> [

<%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:28 PM

> >

<%40>

> > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Inderjit

> > Remember i told you that me posting the reason for the book karaka

> will

> > hurt but you said in the spirit of astrology lets do it. We all know

> the

> > spirit of astrology nonsense talk of astrologers. And we also know

> that

> > we need to market ourselves as a woman needs to market herself

> (meaning

> > implied) in bollywood industry otherwise no one will watch the

movies

> > of today, not for her genunie acting.

> >

> > You wrote : The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as

> > secondary object in

> > 1st two cases.

> > SJ: Being able to understand the meaning of karma and astrology is a

> > tough subject, I am aware of this handicap in most astrologers

> including

> > me. There is no ambiguity in books being the primary subject, ask

the

> > person who cant enter his house due to his father telling him to

take

> > the books out and come in, ask the person whose wife has thrown him

> out

> > due to books, he will only tell us there is nothing secondary about

> it.

> >

> > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as

astrology

> is

> > an

> > indicative subject.

> >

> > SJ: I have seen what is the meaning of a prediction, if others have

> not

> > its their quest and i cant dictate or tell them their expectations

are

> > low. I stopped comparing peoples foolishness and illusions long

back.

> >

> > If i am spending few hrs each day on astrology for the rest of my

life

> > then i better be honest about my approach & my limitations, i cant

> > expect that out of anyone else.

> >

> > best wishes

> > Sunil

> >

> >

> <%40>

> <%40>

> > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > This is my last post also for you to understand.

> > >

> > > The Books in your story were relevant to Married Life and Luck ,

> only

> > in the

> > > 3rd case this was a direct issue.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have these guys had visited me I would have arrived at the same

> > conclusion

> > > about Married Life and Fate and would have answered to third to

have

> > a good

> > > show room , because he need to project himself learned, though

which

> > he is

> > > not. The answer about 3rd will be depending upon the Astrologer's

> > personal

> > > view about the life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I can give you three horoscope and ask the same astrologers

directly

> > about

> > > books. And will submit to their Knowledge if they will be able to

> > conclude

> > > direct with books.

> > >

> > > Here I am not saying that my knowledge is supreme , because there

is

> > no end

> > > in Knowledge , strength and no human being can be supreme. Some

are

> > good in

> > > one another in two.

> > >

> > > The Books are not primary subject, it had appeared as secondary

> > object in

> > > 1st two cases.

> > >

> > > In the 3rd case too it is used with matching the personality of

the

> > > persons.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your expectations from Astrologers are very high , where as

> astrology

> > is an

> > > indicative subject.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > More one is learned more one come to know , that no topic or

subject

> > is

> > > Magic, it is same as in Medicines, Engineering, Meditation etc.

> > >

> > > The illiterate visiting Astrologers and Saints hopes that they

will

> > > explain them as a picture in the Cinema and will further do a

magic

> > and will

> > > relieve their Pains. But as one advances one came to know that

> > everything

> > > is operating with principles and nothing beyond that.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With your presumption the persons you enquired 1st about were fool

> and

> > this

> > > list is also of Fools.

> > >

> > > Or someone else is.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> <%40>

> >

> > [

> <%40>

> <%40>

> > ] On

> > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM

> > >

<%40>

>

> <%40>

> > > Re: Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > > Dear Inderjit,

> > >

> > > I will make this short & also the last post in this thread.

> > >

> > > You wrote 'With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied

> > with

> > > my writings .'

> > >

> > > Thats nice.

> > >

> > > I need not mention what my reaction is.

> > > 4 years back i was very impressed with the crap of theorising that

> > > happens in internet forums after result is out & even before it.

> After

> > > involving all the karakas and all the possible houses if I cant

> > predict

> > > then i will just admit it. Predicting for a chart holder he would

> have

> > > great books or be a writer or orator is for me useless astrology

> what

> > is

> > > important for me to predict is if those books will result in what

> > > finally ?? if it results in him having 'No Home To Go To' in the

> night

> > > and i cant predict then i will be honest in admitting 'I DO NOT

KNOW

> > > ASTROLOGY' which i do not.

> > >

> > > He does not come to an astrologer to know if he would have books,

he

> > > comes to an astrologer in knowing if he takes a path (of

collecting

> > > books) then what will be the result of it. This light on the path

to

> > be

> > > taken is what an astrologer should predict whether in 30 secs or 2

> > mins

> > > or 30 mins, he truly does not care.

> > >

> > > Light

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > > Mumbai

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> > > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > The story is good and I admire the reading of the astrologer,

> > > >

> > > > But your placing the chart in the way you enquired and posted

was

> > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is easy to see if you look at 7th lord afflicted heavily by

> Mars

> > > who is

> > > > disposing Mercury.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mars is afflicting to 7th to asc and 7th to Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Another is look at fight in Jupiter and Venus in the house of

> > Mercury

> > > in

> > > > which Venus is winner having higher latitude.

> > > >

> > > > Disposing Mercury in the fourth showing a library of books.

> > > >

> > > > This combination make me to write that he is an Astrologer and

his

> > > 3rd

> > > > cusp strength relation with Mercury made me to write that he is

a

> > > good

> > > > writer.

> > > >

> > > > Double check with this man, he may had not written a single book

,

> > but

> > > he

> > > > is a good orator and writer both.

> > > >

> > > > He is basically Venus type , because Moon the ascendant occupant

> and

> > > sub

> > > > lord had Venus relation, but every thing is transferred to Mars

> and

> > > that is

> > > > causing great affliction to this chart and 7th in particular.

> > > >

> > > > Now trace the books in it.

> > > >

> > > > These are in Mercury.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Again in the 2nd case, the logic you can apply even to the 1st

> chart

> > > and the

> > > > list members can trace that which house is the maximum

afflicted.

> > > >

> > > > 12th lord Venus in the 9th , 6th lord aspect to 9th and 8th lord

> > > > depositor Venus in 9th further sandwiching Mercury retrograde

> > > dispositor

> > > > of Ketu (significator of ants ) in 9th.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So why at all you need the explanation , I could not understand.

> > > >

> > > > The significator surfaced again is Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > By his sub lord Saturn I judged this being a Technocrat and as

the

> > > ongoing

> > > > talk was Books , it can be a Press person , But Saturn in air

sign

> > and

> > > > connected with fiary Rahu , had given him connection with Air

and

> > > Fire.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In the 3rd case , I look only a person of lower category who

will

> > > show up

> > > > to the persons hollows in themselves, and just to show off can

> have

> > > gadgets

> > > > , books every thing having no knowledge at all , so my refusal

to

> > > comment

> > > > on this chart. But as you had written now I was correct in my

> > > assumptions .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With the revelation of your story , I am most satisfied with my

> > > writings .

> > > >

> > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >

> > > [

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > ] On

> > > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> > > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:49 AM

> > > >

> <%40>

> <%40>

> >

> > <%40>

> > > > Books Karaka Quiz Answer 2

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Pranam

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse i was to post the much bigger post but in installments

as

> i

> > > had

> > > > mentioned in my reply to ur private mail that i would not get

> > involved

> > > > in discussions as it consumes time now esp when work - jyotish

cum

> > > > office is upto the neck due to deadlines.

> > > >

> > > > Now the Reason for Posting the query in the first place.

> > > >

> > > > How does one see a kundali and predict that books would become

the

> > > > reason for a persons marital harmony and also to the extent of

> > husband

> > > > wife seperating.

> > > >

> > > > Its evening time and you receive frantic call from friend

begging

> > you

> > > to

> > > > take his books, and its the same books he would not part earlier

> to

> > u,

> > > > he wants you to come and take minimum 400 books from his house,

u

> > > ignore

> > > > it and then he calls everyday finally on the 5th day he spills

the

> > > beans

> > > > that i should come now only otherwise his wife has decided to

> throw

> > > him

> > > > out of the house. In short i took some books, others i drove to

> > Nashik

> > > > with him and donated some books to a jyotish organisation there.

> His

> > > > collection was envious, while coming back he is so adamant that

he

> > > says

> > > > that he still wants to retain some 200 books which are remaining

> at

> > > home

> > > > (out of 2000) and if his wife and daughter do not allow then he

is

> > > going

> > > > to throw them out of the house, wants me to come and intervene.

So

> > far

> > > i

> > > > have not had the opportunity to intervene.

> > > >

> > > > Prediction By Gujurat Astrologer: Books will decide his marital

> > > harmony,

> > > > i remembered this prediction given to me.

> > > >

> > > > The above is Chart 2 & the prediction to be given on this chart

is

> > not

> > > > how many books or writer but what role this books will play in

his

> > > > family life, daughter does not speak to him, wife etc

> > > >

> > > > Chart 1: Predicting person will have books is half story, the

real

> > > story

> > > > is 'You would have lot of books akin to a library and one day

your

> > > wife

> > > > would give ultimatum and when you shift to smaller house you

will

> > let

> > > go

> > > > of it'. This how to see in chart i dont know hence i asked

query.

> > > >

> > > > Prediction By Near Delhi Astrologer: This astrologer is now dead

> and

> > > he

> > > > was approached by Chart 1 on when his bhagya will rise, he said

> 'Jaa

> > > > tere kitab mein demakh hain usko pehla teekh kar phir sab theek

> > hojaye

> > > > ga'. In english it means 'Go, there is white ants in your books

> > first

> > > > rectify that problem then your luck will rise'. This is a

stunning

> > > > prediction & then it was told to him 'These books will go away,

> > others

> > > > will use it and make illegal money out of it'. The gentleman of

> > Chart

> > > 1

> > > > had to let go of his books due to wife & house restrictions etc

> and

> > > now

> > > > the books he donated, a famous company in Delhi sells it

> Photocopied

> > > > copies of it for Rs 1000 to Rs 5000 ($100) - just photocopies

> > > >

> > > > Chart 3: Prediction by Gujurat Astrologer, Kala Aksar Bhais

> Barabar

> > -

> > > > now use this in our context, i am sorry i tried translating that

> in

> > > > english but somehow not getting right meaning, basically it

means

> > man

> > > > does not read (in our context) so what books are u talking Sunil

> is

> > my

> > > > Gujurat Astrologer told me.

> > > >

> > > > When i embarked on this quest I obviously did not post on the

net

> > > first

> > > > i called my Varanasi contacts and other giants in India but

could

> > not

> > > > get satisfactory answer, so i thought maybe one way to start

> > searching

> > > > is to find out what classics hint on karaka and house of books

and

> > > hence

> > > > posted on the list. I just wanted help on classical quote which

> > would

> > > be

> > > > just one line and nothing else but it seems this thread went on

> its

> > > own

> > > > to prove that we all (including me) can theorise a lot but when

it

> > > comes

> > > > to predictions on such charts i atleast cannot make the

prediction

> > > that

> > > > is required to be made which is ' Books will become the reason

for

> > > your

> > > > marital discord' or as in the case of another chart 'Either you

> come

> > > > home or bring your books' - what a father said to his son.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

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