Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Folks Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff also -predicting a obama victory. After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) and correct or fudge birth time. If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say that jup-moon has strength. My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for all " famous " people charts and it will never end. Just some thoughts. MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 MS, public figure's birth details r always risky many goofed ones r circulatred. and it is risky to go by them and put the subjects reputation on the line. I can quote a excercise by a member in JR group saying it is a friends sister wanted to know if she will be a singer. as a quiz a few replied even me saying no it is not possible to be a singer later he said HA HAHA this iis britney spea'rs data. then I had given same line u r ridiculing astrology by such an attempt and also gave four links to her data each showing her place of birth as different, pl take a shot at this u will know and it is 4 different time zones too. but this member questiond our abilities to predict, never saw the reason that there r many birth places for the same data and which astrologer can predict on them correctly just ppl who can cook up any famous figures image with some astro jargon and will be exposed if we search the dtata and show the world it is a fictious case. any public figures readings must be read more for entairtanment than subjects angle as data is ambigious, faked. Best wishes prashant On 11/7/08, M. Sharma <nakshatras wrote: > > Folks > Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of > you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and > Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff > also -predicting a obama victory. > > After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive > skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after > knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would > one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and > made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or > reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) > and correct or fudge birth time. > > If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 > chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this > will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say > that jup-moon has strength. > > My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept > that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could > also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of > articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for > all " famous " people charts and it will never end. > Just some thoughts. > MS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Dear M. Sharma.... Your points are well taken... May I ask, using the Capricorn rising sign for Senator Obama, how do you see his winning the presidency? By the way, the following is from one of my weekly columns in October: " Note: Assuming the birth certificates are accurate, Senators Barack Obama and John McCain are Capricorn and Aquarius rising signs, respectively. Both have transit afflictions in their charts between now and on the day of the election, so expect the unexpected. The sub period rulers, however, seem to give the edge to Senator Obama. " Best wishes, David Hawthorne On Behalf Of M. Sharma Friday, November 07, 2008 10:17 AM google Obama and vedic astrology Folks Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff also -predicting a obama victory. After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) and correct or fudge birth time. If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say that jup-moon has strength. My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for all " famous " people charts and it will never end. Just some thoughts. MS --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Manju, David, This is after the fact analysis. With cparicorn lagna, he is running Jupiter -moon. Moon is exalted lord of one of the upchaya houses for 10th house, and is in the kraka house for the 10th. From transits Jupiter is activating 10th lord from lagna and Saturn is aspecting 10th house. Saturn is aspecting 10th house from moon and the 4th house of residence is also fully activated. Jupiter aspecting the 4th house, saturn on the 4th lord. Saturn in 4th house from moon and jupiter aspecting 4th lord from lagna and 4th house and 4th lord from lagna. This strongly indicates a change in residence. I always look for change of residence to look at these elections. I agree with Manju completely that most astrologers make a fool of themselves by predicting based on outlandish, unfounded techniques. Also when there are only two candidates and polls indicating the outcome, it is foolhardy to claim credit even if the prediction did go correct. Jyotish as we know or practice today is not advanced enough to predict such successes well in advance. Could anyone have predicted such success when obama announced his candidacy. I for one had sad that one need not even look at his chart as he had no chance of winning. Satish ________________________________ David Hawthorne <david Friday, November 7, 2008 7:56:21 PM RE: google Obama and vedic astrology Dear M. Sharma.... Your points are well taken... May I ask, using the Capricorn rising sign for Senator Obama, how do you see his winning the presidency? By the way, the following is from one of my weekly columns in October: " Note: Assuming the birth certificates are accurate, Senators Barack Obama and John McCain are Capricorn and Aquarius rising signs, respectively. Both have transit afflictions in their charts between now and on the day of the election, so expect the unexpected. The sub period rulers, however, seem to give the edge to Senator Obama. " Best wishes, David Hawthorne [] On Behalf Of M. Sharma Friday, November 07, 2008 10:17 AM google Obama and vedic astrology Folks Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff also -predicting a obama victory. After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) and correct or fudge birth time. If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say that jup-moon has strength. My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for all " famous " people charts and it will never end. Just some thoughts. MS ------------ --------- --------- ------ visit http://www.astrolif e.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 David, I did make a prediction based on Senator Biden's chart -to me he is/was destined for a higher position. Regarding Gov. Palin's chart - I was not comfortable with virgo lagna chart. I commented on Mccain's shart -Kumbha lagna one -using rasi only saying that his vimshotari dasha is Mer/Mer and his chara dasa was not favorable. Regarding Obama's chart - to me Capricorn lagna is correct because of various reasons. 1. Two daughters -moon in fifth and venus is fifth lord. 2. 10th lord in 6th house. He has a law degree and he has done social service, community organization. Look at fourth lord Mars with rahu in eighth house and the difficulties he faced at home/while he was young. Now in Moon bhukti he good a good position " exalted seventh lord " in fifth giving his pad prapti. Just look at rasi of Obama (Cp lagna) and McCain (Aq lagna) two things come out. 1. Obama has vargotamma tenth lord from Moon 2. From Lagna his tenth lord is in sixth -to me it shows more of a community /social service person (along with law degree). His Jup-Moon is very good. Debilitated third lord (parashara exception) with lagna lord aspecting lagna or in it gives rajayoga. Add to it the powerful bhuki one can see the rise. 2. McCain - a very simple case of tenth lord debilitated from moon and AQ lagna. Why will he become President? Remember Al Gore - debilitated tenth lord Mars, Bush -vargotamma tenth lord? My comment was clearly to highlight that lot of vedic astrologers used and still use wrong lagna for Obama -most notable that even after his birth time is revealed from his birth certificate. How can people who claim accomplished jyotishis /vedic astrologers still are in a denial mode and are not ready to use his birth time from BC? Is it question of reputation? whatever... Now as Satish points out -it is fairly easy to predict who will win 10/15 days before the election by just looking at the polls. This time it was even easier given that polls consistently showed the edge to Obama. One could predict looking at polls, writing a huge article with astro jargon and predict days/ weeks before the election that Obama will win. In my mind it is a useless excercise that's all. , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear M. Sharma.... > > > > Your points are well taken... > > > > May I ask, using the Capricorn rising sign for Senator Obama, how do you see > his winning the presidency? > > > > By the way, the following is from one of my weekly columns in October: > > > > " Note: Assuming the birth certificates are accurate, Senators Barack Obama > and John McCain are Capricorn and Aquarius rising signs, respectively. Both > have transit afflictions in their charts between now and on the day of the > election, so expect the unexpected. The sub period rulers, however, seem to > give the edge to Senator Obama. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > On > Behalf Of M. Sharma > Friday, November 07, 2008 10:17 AM > > google Obama and vedic astrology > > > > Folks > > Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of > > you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and > > Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff > > also -predicting a obama victory. > > > > After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive > > skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after > > knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would > > one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and > > made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or > > reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) > > and correct or fudge birth time. > > > > If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 > > chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this > > will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say > > that jup-moon has strength. > > > > My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept > > that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could > > also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of > > articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for > > all " famous " people charts and it will never end. > > Just some thoughts. > > MS > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and > more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 dear m. sharma.. your points are well taken. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of M. Sharma Friday, November 07, 2008 8:56 PM Re: google Obama and vedic astrology David, I did make a prediction based on Senator Biden's chart -to me he is/was destined for a higher position. Regarding Gov. Palin's chart - I was not comfortable with virgo lagna chart. I commented on Mccain's shart -Kumbha lagna one -using rasi only saying that his vimshotari dasha is Mer/Mer and his chara dasa was not favorable. Regarding Obama's chart - to me Capricorn lagna is correct because of various reasons. 1. Two daughters -moon in fifth and venus is fifth lord. 2. 10th lord in 6th house. He has a law degree and he has done social service, community organization. Look at fourth lord Mars with rahu in eighth house and the difficulties he faced at home/while he was young. Now in Moon bhukti he good a good position " exalted seventh lord " in fifth giving his pad prapti. Just look at rasi of Obama (Cp lagna) and McCain (Aq lagna) two things come out. 1. Obama has vargotamma tenth lord from Moon 2. From Lagna his tenth lord is in sixth -to me it shows more of a community /social service person (along with law degree). His Jup-Moon is very good. Debilitated third lord (parashara exception) with lagna lord aspecting lagna or in it gives rajayoga. Add to it the powerful bhuki one can see the rise. 2. McCain - a very simple case of tenth lord debilitated from moon and AQ lagna. Why will he become President? Remember Al Gore - debilitated tenth lord Mars, Bush -vargotamma tenth lord? My comment was clearly to highlight that lot of vedic astrologers used and still use wrong lagna for Obama -most notable that even after his birth time is revealed from his birth certificate. How can people who claim accomplished jyotishis /vedic astrologers still are in a denial mode and are not ready to use his birth time from BC? Is it question of reputation? whatever... Now as Satish points out -it is fairly easy to predict who will win 10/15 days before the election by just looking at the polls. This time it was even easier given that polls consistently showed the edge to Obama. One could predict looking at polls, writing a huge article with astro jargon and predict days/ weeks before the election that Obama will win. In my mind it is a useless excercise that's all. , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear M. Sharma.... > > > > Your points are well taken... > > > > May I ask, using the Capricorn rising sign for Senator Obama, how do you see > his winning the presidency? > > > > By the way, the following is from one of my weekly columns in October: > > > > " Note: Assuming the birth certificates are accurate, Senators Barack Obama > and John McCain are Capricorn and Aquarius rising signs, respectively. Both > have transit afflictions in their charts between now and on the day of the > election, so expect the unexpected. The sub period rulers, however, seem to > give the edge to Senator Obama. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > On > Behalf Of M. Sharma > Friday, November 07, 2008 10:17 AM > > google Obama and vedic astrology > > > > Folks > > Just for fun sake I googled " Obama vedic astrology " - I see tons of > > you tube videos presentations etc. John McCain had virgo lagna and > > Obama had a Virgo lagna also! I think this article was on rediff > > also -predicting a obama victory. > > > > After the event, now people are taking credit for their predictive > > skills using wrong data, wrong lagna but right conclusion. Even after > > knowing Obama's birth data that gives him Capricorn lagna -why would > > one defend and promote, take credit for having used other lagnas and > > made the correct predictions? Am I missing something? Talk me down or > > reason with me, as to why somebody would put the BC online (scanned) > > and correct or fudge birth time. > > > > If one follows Obama's - 7:24pm birth time we could see that his D10 > > chart has moon in 12th house. For people who use D10 charts -this > > will spell disaster. If we purely use rasi and navamsa we could say > > that jup-moon has strength. > > > > My question - how many people have the intellecual honesty to accept > > that they used wrong chart but made a right prediction? One could > > also argue that " it is garbabe in garbage out " pages and pages of > > articles with wrong charts. I suspect this will happen for > > all " famous " people charts and it will never end. > > Just some thoughts. > > MS > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and > more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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