Parasara on Chara Karakas: 2 Other Doubts

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Namaste Narasimha Ji

 

Couple of other doubts/concerns apart from the previously mentioned

ones are the following.

 

You can consider these only if you have time.There is no hurry.

 

1)Your view of Sun until Saturn - Seven in number and Sun Until Rahu

(Rahvantaan) (eight in number) is clear to me.

But is there any grammatical usage to clearly conclude that Prashara

is talking about the number of ''Karakas -Atma,Amatya etc)'' and not

the '' number of grahas that qualify for karakatwa conideration(7 &

8)''.

This is just a doubt. However Parashara mentioning 8 Karakas later on

is in support of your view.

 

But if Kechith points to different schools of thought - Then we

cannot conclude that Rahu cannot be used with seven Karaka scheme as

per some (when tie happens).

 

2) Antya Karaka ,Upakhet and its usages/purposes are not clear to me.

 

3) AgraKarasya usage - My view is if two grahas are in tie they can

together qualify for a single karaka, and the next karaka will be

taken up by the next qualifier. Thus lopa will happen only towards

the end. This is more logical in my view.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sarvashree Narasimha Rao and Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > >

> > > If i am allowed to intervene -

> > >

> > > 1) ''Evam'' also has a common meaning and usage as ''and''.

> > > 2) Kechith - as i have mentioned before is traditionally

referred

> for

> > > expressing different opinion.

> > >

> > > Therefore it can also mean , As per the opinion of some(Taking

> Kechit

> > > as a common factor) ''when 2 grahas are having equal degrees -

> > > (''tada''- ''then'') use 8 karakas and as per others

(''Saptaiva

> > > KarakanEVAM '' - ''Seven Karakas AND''), (''Ashtau''- ''eight

> > > karakas'') can be used. Kindly correct me if it cannot be

> interpreted

> > > like this.

> > >

> > > Couple of other concerns :-

> > >

> > > 1) In my view ''Matrikarakameva ANYE Vadanti Sutakarakam'' is -

 

> > > Matrikaraka is Sutakaraka as per some others.Or the Sutakaraka

> that

> > > is ''seperately -Anye'' mentioned is same as Matrikaraka.

> > >

> > > 2)When two grahas are in equal bhagas, the AGRAkaraka ie the

> Karaka

> > > towards the end or edge (Agra has a meaning as edge or tip)

> > > disappears. Why? If there are 7 planets and 7 Karakas and if

two

> > > planets qualify for the same karaka , then there is no planet

to

> take

> > > the 7th karaka. All the seven will be covered with 6 karakas

> (provided

> > > only 2 are in tie). Thus the seventh karaka (the karaka on the

> edge)

> > > is left with no one to take up and can be studied using sthira

> karaka.

> > >

> > > I find it VERY VERY difficult to digest on why the ''Top or

> First ''

> > > Karaka should disappear, if two planets achive the same degree.

> What

> > > does the karaka has to do here.It is only your personal

> > > interpretation. However the shortage of grahas can make the

last

> > > karaka ''un-occuppied and disappear''. It can also be for this

> reason

> > > that some people talk about rahu in both the cases!

> > >

> > > Point: Prashara did not say that seven karakas is not

applicable

> when

> > > 2 grahas are in tie.It is again your personal

> > > interpretation.According to ''Kechit'' Parashara can very well

> talk

> > > about two opinions.

> > >

> > > Varahamihira did speak about diffrent schools in Varaha Hora.

Can

> > > Parashara too talk about such is the point that you are

raising.

> I

> > > cannot comment.

> > >

> > > I can be wrong. But in my view this Agrakaraka interpretation

> from

> > > you is very hard to digest. You are using some political

> analogies

> > > and in a away is bringing new theories is my view.Correct me if

i

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse you have made some strong views against mundane/natal

> views

> > > of S.Rath. I feel shri Rath should ideally quote Pramanas for

> > > this.His supporters should kindly understand that shri

Narasimha

> Rao

> > > requesting for a pramana is in order.They should request S.Rath

> > > instead of arguing with Sri Rao.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > >

> > > > Hope you are doing well. Happy Deepavali! It is always nice

to

> hear

> > > from you.

> > > >

> > > > Maharshi Parasara said " We use 7 or 8 planets. When X

happens,

> THEN

> > > we use 8 planets. THUS, we use 7 in some and 8 in some " .

> > > >

> > > > As you said, it is obvious when X happens that 8 are to be

> used.

> > > However, it is also fair to conclude that 7 are used when X

does

> not

> > > happen.

> > > >

> > > > This would be a fair conclusion normally. Moreover, the use

of

> the

> > > word " evam " seals it here.

> > > >

> > > > The word " evam " means " thus " or " in this manner " or " like

> this " . By

> > > using this word, he is indicating that what he has said before

is

> > > sufficient to see when to use 7 and when to use 8. It implies

> that

> > > there is no other guideline and *this is how* we figure out. If

> there

> > > is some additional guideline to choose between 7 vs 8, the

> > > word " evam " would not have been used. Thus, one can reject the

> notion

> > > that there are more unspoken crtiteria.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -----------------------------

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> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > > sjc-guru

> > > > Cc: sohamsa ; vedic-

> astrology ;

> > > ; sjcBoston

> > > > Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:20 AM

> > > > Re: [sjc-guru] Parasara on Chara Karakas: An

> Independent

> > > Interpretation

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimhaji,

> > > >

> > > > I had a thought about the first few stanzas,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas

> > > > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn.h |

> > > >

> > > > saptaravyAdishanyantAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn.h

||

> 1||

> > > >

> > > > aMshaiH samaugnahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan.h chintayet.h tadA

|

> > > >

> > > > saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This can be translated literally as: " Now I am speaking

about

> > > seven planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu,

> > > > acting as the significators of self etc. If two planets are

> equal

> > > by degrees, then planets upto Rahu should be thought of.

> > > > Thus, only seven significators [in some] and eight in some

> are

> > > considered. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This may also mean that

> > > >

> > > > USE Rahu IF there is two planets in same degrees, " aMshaiH

> > > samaugnahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan.h chintayet.h tadA | "

> > > >

> > > > But this may not mean that NOT TO USE EIGHT Kaarakas when

> there

> > > is no grahas in same Degress

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let me put it this way

> > > >

> > > > SET 1 : USE Rahu when grahas in same degress 8 Kaaraka

> systems.

> > > >

> > > > THE REMAINING SET : YOU can still use both 7 and 8 kaarakas.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I am bringing out my thoughts accurately. The

stanza

> > > never says " FOR THE REMAINING " USE ONLY 7 KAARAKAS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2008/10/23 Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > Here is the promised article on chara karakas. I have no

> > > pretensions that I got it correct. But this is based on an

honest

> > > attempt to purge all preconceived notions from the mind and

> approach

> > > Parasara's verses with a fresh and unbiased mind.

> > > >

> > > > In my view, neither the 7 chara karaka school nor the 8

> chara

> > > karaka school got Parasara correct. Parasara taught that 7

chara

> > > karakas should be used in some charts and 8 chara karakas in

some

> > > charts and clearly described when to use what.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to share whatever I was able to understand by

> > > reading Parasara's exposition on chara karakas with an open

mind

> and

> > > then experimenting. If you think my interpretation has some

worth

> in

> > > it, please use it, experiment, benefit and spread the

knowledge.

> If

> > > not, just leave it.

> > > >

> > > > I have uploaded a detailed article on chara karakas on my

> > > website. It describes the calculation with 16 examples,

covering

> > > various cases. Apart from defining chara karaka calculation,

this

> > > article also defines and uses a dasa called " Karaka dasa " that

> was

> > > taught by Parasara for the purpose of timing events using chara

> > > karakas. Please download the following PDF file if interested:

> > > >

> > > > http://VedicAstrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf

> > > >

> > > > If you find the article useful, please feel free to

forward

> > > this link to those who may be interested.

> > > >

> > > > Krishnaarpanamastu,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

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