Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, 1. My question was very simple it was about books and not Gyan, this is very most of the participants have got confused. 2. It was also NOT on the form of Gyan, e books etc 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of us have basic common sense on it 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation on it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this thread predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict anything on the books front that u wish. After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at this and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked the query in the first place. a) Chart A October 31, 1945 Time: 2:15 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " New Delhi, India Asc: 16Le b) Chart B March 1, 1954 Time: 13:42:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " Ratnagiri, India c) Chart C June 25, 1980 Time: 17:00:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " Mumbai, India Altitude: 0.00 meters best wishes Sunil , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > What are you meant by Oral tradition? > > You had put the word Communication in another form > > And Books in the present form were never before, if you define them Papers > written and stitched together , giving some information. > > These were in the form of Bhoj Patras hand written. > > How will you compare a Bhoj Patra containing knowledge or some information > or some drawing , with my Email on the electronics Media? > > How will you compare an Ebook , giving Knowledge on Dharma , Astrology, > Physics or Mathematics on my Palm top or Pocket PC? > > > > How will you compare a piece of paper written to his countrymen, with a set > of papers written with the same motive with a Book? > > > > How will you compare Notes prepared by a student and then bonded together? > > > > Astrology is for the persons who will catch from one word and , do not > expect from sages to write details about it. > > The persons who are in the informative field in Astrology should be strong > fundamentally. > > Or the subject is already confusing to most of the fresher's by Scholars > who come with new meaning of Sanskrit Shalokas but practically making wrong > predictions mostly . One's life time is required to understand the basic > essence of Astrology , so decide , if these Scholars are benefitting to the > Astrology Community or harming to it. > > > > I was teaching to my student , Mercury is friend of Moon but Moon is enemy > to Mercury. > > > > This is elaborated in Geeta when Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, that arrest > you mind with intelligence and only then you can reach to the Soul. > > > > Means Mercury the intelligence can arrest the Mind and thus can control the > Mind and thus Mercury is friend to Moon . > > But a wavering Mind does not let your intelligence work. > > That is Moon is the enemy of Mercury. So Mercury is the significator of > intelligence, and what is intelligence, the power to decide , what is > observed by senses, to decide that is because of Mercury/intelligence. Hence > what is heard, seen, touched or tasted. Out of these books communicating by > seeing and to blinds by Touch or through hearing aids. Hence Mercury is the > significator of Books. > > > > 5th is the house of intelligence , with Sun and Leo its basic Ruler a Satwik > Planet but Leo being Fix is a Tamoguni sign. Gemini Air element but a Satwik > sign controlled by Rajsik Mercury is the House of Communication , instrument > for Higher learning , being 7th to 9th and being 11th to 5th for beginning > in education. > > I practically use 5th house for Basic education and 4rth house for Higher > Education .9th for the Institute and teachers are part of Institute, you > may not need books with good teachers , you may be asked to take notes only > , so 9th is cause of books but not directly books. > > > > So Books , Letters, Emails, News Papers, Telephonic conversation , Oral > tradition, Ebboks all realte to 3rd house and the Basic significator of them > is Mercury. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:07 PM > > Re: Books Karaka & House > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Neelam, > My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2 > thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral > tradition. > > a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE) > > The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or > Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository of > Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said to > comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned > for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia) > > b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu > and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is so > many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral > tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our > classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not possible. > > Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post on > this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or > karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our ancients > have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> > , " neelam gupta " neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc... > but we > > cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there > were no > > books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most of > the > > knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check > > Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and you > won't > > find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute Gurus > for > > books and hence 9H. > > > > I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy, > though it > > is not learning as such, but is a process in learning. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Sunil, It is not Gyan not which I discussed, it is intelligence, in Hindi Uha Puh power, learning ,it may be Agyan. I will come to your charts later. Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 Phone-911642211360;9855224360 On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:02 PM Books Karaka & House Once again Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, 1. My question was very simple it was about books and not Gyan, this is very most of the participants have got confused. 2. It was also NOT on the form of Gyan, e books etc 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of us have basic common sense on it 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation on it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this thread predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict anything on the books front that u wish. After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at this and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked the query in the first place. a) Chart A October 31, 1945 Time: 2:15 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " New Delhi, India Asc: 16Le b) Chart B March 1, 1954 Time: 13:42:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " Ratnagiri, India c) Chart C June 25, 1980 Time: 17:00:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " Mumbai, India Altitude: 0.00 meters best wishes Sunil <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > What are you meant by Oral tradition? > > You had put the word Communication in another form > > And Books in the present form were never before, if you define them Papers > written and stitched together , giving some information. > > These were in the form of Bhoj Patras hand written. > > How will you compare a Bhoj Patra containing knowledge or some information > or some drawing , with my Email on the electronics Media? > > How will you compare an Ebook , giving Knowledge on Dharma , Astrology, > Physics or Mathematics on my Palm top or Pocket PC? > > > > How will you compare a piece of paper written to his countrymen, with a set > of papers written with the same motive with a Book? > > > > How will you compare Notes prepared by a student and then bonded together? > > > > Astrology is for the persons who will catch from one word and , do not > expect from sages to write details about it. > > The persons who are in the informative field in Astrology should be strong > fundamentally. > > Or the subject is already confusing to most of the fresher's by Scholars > who come with new meaning of Sanskrit Shalokas but practically making wrong > predictions mostly . One's life time is required to understand the basic > essence of Astrology , so decide , if these Scholars are benefitting to the > Astrology Community or harming to it. > > > > I was teaching to my student , Mercury is friend of Moon but Moon is enemy > to Mercury. > > > > This is elaborated in Geeta when Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, that arrest > you mind with intelligence and only then you can reach to the Soul. > > > > Means Mercury the intelligence can arrest the Mind and thus can control the > Mind and thus Mercury is friend to Moon . > > But a wavering Mind does not let your intelligence work. > > That is Moon is the enemy of Mercury. So Mercury is the significator of > intelligence, and what is intelligence, the power to decide , what is > observed by senses, to decide that is because of Mercury/intelligence. Hence > what is heard, seen, touched or tasted. Out of these books communicating by > seeing and to blinds by Touch or through hearing aids. Hence Mercury is the > significator of Books. > > > > 5th is the house of intelligence , with Sun and Leo its basic Ruler a Satwik > Planet but Leo being Fix is a Tamoguni sign. Gemini Air element but a Satwik > sign controlled by Rajsik Mercury is the House of Communication , instrument > for Higher learning , being 7th to 9th and being 11th to 5th for beginning > in education. > > I practically use 5th house for Basic education and 4rth house for Higher > Education .9th for the Institute and teachers are part of Institute, you > may not need books with good teachers , you may be asked to take notes only > , so 9th is cause of books but not directly books. > > > > So Books , Letters, Emails, News Papers, Telephonic conversation , Oral > tradition, Ebboks all realte to 3rd house and the Basic significator of them > is Mercury. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > <%40> [ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:07 PM > <%40> > Re: Books Karaka & House > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Neelam, > My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2 > thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral > tradition. > > a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE) > > The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or > Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository of > Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said to > comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned > for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia) > > b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu > and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is so > many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral > tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our > classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not possible. > > Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post on > this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or > karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our ancients > have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> <%40> > , " neelam gupta " neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc... > but we > > cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there > were no > > books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most of > the > > knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check > > Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and you > won't > > find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute Gurus > for > > books and hence 9H. > > > > I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy, > though it > > is not learning as such, but is a process in learning. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Sahni, I think we are still missing the original post and the last one, the query was not on intelligence or learning but on a physical object book. Will wait for your expositions on the charts. regards Sunil , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > It is not Gyan not which I discussed, it is intelligence, in Hindi Uha Puh > power, learning ,it may be Agyan. I will come to your charts later. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:02 PM > > Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Inderjit, > > 1. My question was very simple it was about books and not Gyan, this is > very most of the participants have got confused. > > 2. It was also NOT on the form of Gyan, e books etc > > 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, > horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of us > have basic common sense on it > > 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books > or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in > the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation on > it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka > > 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this thread > predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict > anything on the books front that u wish. > After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of > the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 > charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at this > and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house > books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i > will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked the > query in the first place. > > a) Chart A > > October 31, 1945 > Time: 2:15 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " > New Delhi, India > Asc: 16Le > > b) Chart B > > March 1, 1954 > Time: 13:42:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " > Ratnagiri, India > > c) Chart C > > June 25, 1980 > Time: 17:00:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > Mumbai, India > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > best wishes > > Sunil > > <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > What are you meant by Oral tradition? > > > > You had put the word Communication in another form > > > > And Books in the present form were never before, if you define them > Papers > > written and stitched together , giving some information. > > > > These were in the form of Bhoj Patras hand written. > > > > How will you compare a Bhoj Patra containing knowledge or some > information > > or some drawing , with my Email on the electronics Media? > > > > How will you compare an Ebook , giving Knowledge on Dharma , > Astrology, > > Physics or Mathematics on my Palm top or Pocket PC? > > > > > > > > How will you compare a piece of paper written to his countrymen, with > a set > > of papers written with the same motive with a Book? > > > > > > > > How will you compare Notes prepared by a student and then bonded > together? > > > > > > > > Astrology is for the persons who will catch from one word and , do not > > expect from sages to write details about it. > > > > The persons who are in the informative field in Astrology should be > strong > > fundamentally. > > > > Or the subject is already confusing to most of the fresher's by > Scholars > > who come with new meaning of Sanskrit Shalokas but practically making > wrong > > predictions mostly . One's life time is required to understand > the basic > > essence of Astrology , so decide , if these Scholars are benefitting > to the > > Astrology Community or harming to it. > > > > > > > > I was teaching to my student , Mercury is friend of Moon but Moon is > enemy > > to Mercury. > > > > > > > > This is elaborated in Geeta when Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, that > arrest > > you mind with intelligence and only then you can reach to the Soul. > > > > > > > > Means Mercury the intelligence can arrest the Mind and thus can > control the > > Mind and thus Mercury is friend to Moon . > > > > But a wavering Mind does not let your intelligence work. > > > > That is Moon is the enemy of Mercury. So Mercury is the significator > of > > intelligence, and what is intelligence, the power to decide , what is > > observed by senses, to decide that is because of Mercury/intelligence. > Hence > > what is heard, seen, touched or tasted. Out of these books > communicating by > > seeing and to blinds by Touch or through hearing aids. Hence Mercury > is the > > significator of Books. > > > > > > > > 5th is the house of intelligence , with Sun and Leo its basic Ruler a > Satwik > > Planet but Leo being Fix is a Tamoguni sign. Gemini Air element but a > Satwik > > sign controlled by Rajsik Mercury is the House of Communication , > instrument > > for Higher learning , being 7th to 9th and being 11th to 5th for > beginning > > in education. > > > > I practically use 5th house for Basic education and 4rth house for > Higher > > Education .9th for the Institute and teachers are part of Institute, > you > > may not need books with good teachers , you may be asked to take notes > only > > , so 9th is cause of books but not directly books. > > > > > > > > So Books , Letters, Emails, News Papers, Telephonic conversation , > Oral > > tradition, Ebboks all realte to 3rd house and the Basic significator > of them > > is Mercury. > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:07 PM > > <%40> > > Re: Books Karaka & House > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Neelam, > > My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2 > > thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral > > tradition. > > > > a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE) > > > > The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or > > Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository > of > > Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said > to > > comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned > > for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia) > > > > b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu > > and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is > so > > many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral > > tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our > > classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not > possible. > > > > Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post > on > > this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or > > karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our > ancients > > have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating. > > > > best wishes > > Sunil > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > , " neelam gupta " neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc... > > but we > > > cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there > > were no > > > books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most > of > > the > > > knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check > > > Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and > you > > won't > > > find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute > Gurus > > for > > > books and hence 9H. > > > > > > I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy, > > though it > > > is not learning as such, but is a process in learning. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Sunil " > 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, > horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of us > have basic common sense on it " This is how you said Gyan and intelligence. Interestingly Metal Petrol too belongs to 4rth house, but you was willing to explain the conversion taken by Vehicles instead of Buffalo Carts , Elephants etc. 4rth is also house of underground items , so water petrol , metals too relate to this house. The Fourth is house of Vehicles, movable and Fix property, but you can separate this from 6th which is house of Pet animals. Books for a librarian will be seen from this house. > 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books > or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in > the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation on > it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka Yes of course. > 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this thread > predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict > anything on the books front that u wish. > After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of > the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 > charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at this > and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house > books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i > will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked the > query in the first place. You had not posted your experience , but trying to check the capabilities of individual. In the 1st place you should have posted your experience for a friendly scrutinize Click to hear this word spoken Have you or anybody else had ever answered like this. I had tried to explain the Astrological factors that too being known to you. Any way I had gone through 1st two charts. I may be entirely wrong , but I will write what I had seen. The 1st person seems to be writer and even good Orator on the subjects related to Life and Astrology both. He must be having good collection of Books. Must be having good collection of Scriptures or Old Books from 1974 onward. The 2nd person too is related to Books but I do not find a writer in him. He could be better a printer His profession is to give exposure to writings. I had not gone through third person chart. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 Phone-911642211360;9855224360 On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:06 PM Re: Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > a) Chart A > > October 31, 1945 > Time: 2:15 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " > New Delhi, India > Asc: 16Le > > b) Chart B > > March 1, 1954 > Time: 13:42:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " > Ratnagiri, India > > c) Chart C > > June 25, 1980 > Time: 17:00:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > Mumbai, India > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > best wishes > > Sunil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Here are a few classical references from the very many that exist: Venus in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will make one an ordinary writer, Parasara ch 33 sl 41 while Mercury in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will indicate that the writing skills are less than those of an ordinary writer.P ch33 Should Jupiter be alone in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there, one will be a knower of everything, be a writer, and be versed in Vedas and Vedanta philosophy, but not an oratorian or a grammarian.p ch33 the Moon and Jupiter in the Karakamsh or in the 5th there from denotes a writer well versed in all branches of learning. The grade of writership will comparatively descend in the case of Venus and even further in the case of Mercury if placed in the Karakamsh or in the 5th from there.p ch33 ---writer is signified best by Jup and moon notice If Mercury is the ruler of Navamsha occupied by planet owing 10th, the livelihood would be earned by working as a writer, poet, orator or as an artist.Sanketa nidhi--( I can personally vouch for this:-) If Mercury is in the sixth house the native will be respected by the king. There will, however, be obstacles in achieving success in educational pursuits. The native will be showy and proud and very proficient in creating controversies. In his 30th year he will be accorded great favour by the king (government). The native will write letters, books etc.Bhrigu Sutram ch 4 sl41-47 The Moon and the stars Uttarabhadrapada (Andromedo) and Revati (Piscium). Persons born under the star Uttarabhadrapada can speak on Sastras or religious books fluently, are happy and blessed with many sons and grandsons, conquerors of enemies and are religious.Brihat Jataka ch16 sl14 the Sun, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn in the 5th bhava: will be devoid of interest in meritorious acts, will not be intelligent, be interested in studying unworthy books and be impartial.Garga Hora CH6 sl 509 If Venus be in conjunction with Mercury, at the birth of a person, the person born will be versed in the sacred books, and fond of music, play and mirth. ch8 sl 5 The person who has his birth in the yoga formed by the five planets the Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, will be wise, versed in sacred books and of a virtuous character and conduct such as gods and reverend seniors always approve of.Jataka parijata ch8 sl34 If Mars and Mercury be together in the 9th bhava, the person born will be learned in the sacred books and devoted to pleasure and ease.Jataka ParijataCh 14 sl 76 If Mercury occupy the 10th place from the Moon with Saturn, the person will be either a copyist of books or betake himself to unbecoming ways.Jataka Parijata ch 15 sl 58 MOON-VENUS-SATURN YOGA: If the Moon, Venus and Saturn are in combination at birth, one will be a writer, reader of books, Purohita (family guru), will have to his credit merits of past birth, and be an astrologer.Saravali ch 16 sl 25 If Mercury is conjunct Saturn being posited in the 10th from the Moon, the person concerned will be a potter, be famous, imparter of learning and be an author of books. Saravali ch 33 sl 23-25 If all the planets are located in kendra or trine or the 2nd house in the Navamsha sign belonging to Jupiter, the native takes to sanyas from childhood & lives till the end of a yuga & is the author of many books.Chintamani ch 2 - suniljohn_2002 Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:31 AM Books Karaka & House Once again Om Datta Guru Dear Inderjit, 1. My question was very simple it was about books and not Gyan, this is very most of the participants have got confused. 2. It was also NOT on the form of Gyan, e books etc 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of us have basic common sense on it 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation on it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this thread predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict anything on the books front that u wish. After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at this and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked the query in the first place. a) Chart A October 31, 1945 Time: 2:15 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " New Delhi, India Asc: 16Le b) Chart B March 1, 1954 Time: 13:42:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " Ratnagiri, India c) Chart C June 25, 1980 Time: 17:00:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " Mumbai, India Altitude: 0.00 meters best wishes Sunil , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > What are you meant by Oral tradition? > > You had put the word Communication in another form > > And Books in the present form were never before, if you define them Papers > written and stitched together , giving some information. > > These were in the form of Bhoj Patras hand written. > > How will you compare a Bhoj Patra containing knowledge or some information > or some drawing , with my Email on the electronics Media? > > How will you compare an Ebook , giving Knowledge on Dharma , Astrology, > Physics or Mathematics on my Palm top or Pocket PC? > > > > How will you compare a piece of paper written to his countrymen, with a set > of papers written with the same motive with a Book? > > > > How will you compare Notes prepared by a student and then bonded together? > > > > Astrology is for the persons who will catch from one word and , do not > expect from sages to write details about it. > > The persons who are in the informative field in Astrology should be strong > fundamentally. > > Or the subject is already confusing to most of the fresher's by Scholars > who come with new meaning of Sanskrit Shalokas but practically making wrong > predictions mostly . One's life time is required to understand the basic > essence of Astrology , so decide , if these Scholars are benefitting to the > Astrology Community or harming to it. > > > > I was teaching to my student , Mercury is friend of Moon but Moon is enemy > to Mercury. > > > > This is elaborated in Geeta when Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, that arrest > you mind with intelligence and only then you can reach to the Soul. > > > > Means Mercury the intelligence can arrest the Mind and thus can control the > Mind and thus Mercury is friend to Moon . > > But a wavering Mind does not let your intelligence work. > > That is Moon is the enemy of Mercury. So Mercury is the significator of > intelligence, and what is intelligence, the power to decide , what is > observed by senses, to decide that is because of Mercury/intelligence. Hence > what is heard, seen, touched or tasted. Out of these books communicating by > seeing and to blinds by Touch or through hearing aids. Hence Mercury is the > significator of Books. > > > > 5th is the house of intelligence , with Sun and Leo its basic Ruler a Satwik > Planet but Leo being Fix is a Tamoguni sign. Gemini Air element but a Satwik > sign controlled by Rajsik Mercury is the House of Communication , instrument > for Higher learning , being 7th to 9th and being 11th to 5th for beginning > in education. > > I practically use 5th house for Basic education and 4rth house for Higher > Education .9th for the Institute and teachers are part of Institute, you > may not need books with good teachers , you may be asked to take notes only > , so 9th is cause of books but not directly books. > > > > So Books , Letters, Emails, News Papers, Telephonic conversation , Oral > tradition, Ebboks all realte to 3rd house and the Basic significator of them > is Mercury. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:07 PM > > Re: Books Karaka & House > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Neelam, > My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2 > thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral > tradition. > > a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE) > > The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or > Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository of > Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said to > comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned > for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia) > > b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu > and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is so > many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral > tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our > classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not possible. > > Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post on > this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or > karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our ancients > have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> > , " neelam gupta " neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc... > but we > > cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there > were no > > books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most of > the > > knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check > > Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and you > won't > > find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute Gurus > for > > books and hence 9H. > > > > I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy, > though it > > is not learning as such, but is a process in learning. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Neelam, Marg, Inder Jit, Sunil, all, Complex issue, indeed. I am an extreme, myself- I love to read, smell books, touch books, have them around, possess them..lots of books, get excited with about any knowledge I get, etc..All my life. I've acquired high /academic/ qualifications easily, due to that passion which makes me tireless. I read e/books, internet, as well- I cannot single out any particular factor, but many of them: Ve/Me in aspect with Sa/ Ju, 3rd/9thH, LL aspect Sa/Ju. /My mother thought i was addicted when I was younger, iintroduced 'damage-control rules' , like book-free time.../ My son is also an avid reader surrounded by books and texts. Me in 8th /in own/ seems to explain that, but no Ju/Sa aspect /except argalas/. My 2cts. Thank you for information shared- I read with interest, LOL! Regards, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Anna, Somehow your mail touched a raw never iintroduced 'damage-control rules' , like book-free time.../ Self had same issues Its Diwali time so would be off lists for some time best wishes Sunil , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Neelam, Marg, Inder Jit, Sunil, all, > > Complex issue, indeed. I am an extreme, myself- I love to read, smell books, touch books, have them around, possess them..lots of books, get excited with about any knowledge I get, etc..All my life. I've acquired high /academic/ qualifications easily, due to that passion which makes me tireless. I read e/books, internet, as well- I cannot single out any particular factor, but many of them: Ve/Me in aspect with Sa/ Ju, 3rd/9thH, LL aspect Sa/Ju. /My mother thought i was addicted when I was younger, iintroduced 'damage-control rules' , like book-free time.../ > > My son is also an avid reader surrounded by books and texts. Me in 8th /in own/ seems to explain that, but no Ju/Sa aspect /except argalas/. > My 2cts. > Thank you for information shared- I read with interest, LOL! > Regards, > Anna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Mr Sahni, I would wait for your exposition on the 3rd chart and also of others who participated in this thread & if anyone else wills to contribute pls do so. In a few days will post the answer. best wishes Sunil , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > " > 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, > > horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of > us > > have basic common sense on it " > > > > This is how you said Gyan and intelligence. Interestingly Metal Petrol too > belongs to 4rth house, but you was willing to explain the conversion taken > by Vehicles instead of Buffalo Carts , Elephants etc. 4rth is also house of > underground items , so water petrol , metals too relate to this house. > > > > The Fourth is house of Vehicles, movable and Fix property, but you can > separate this from 6th which is house of Pet animals. > > Books for a librarian will be seen from this house. > > > > > 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books > > or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in > > the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation > on > > it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka > > > > Yes of course. > > > > > 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this > thread > > predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict > > anything on the books front that u wish. > > After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of > > the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 > > charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at > this > > and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house > > books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i > > will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked > the > > query in the first place. > > > > You had not posted your experience , but trying to check the capabilities of > individual. > > In the 1st place you should have posted your experience for a friendly > > > scrutinize > > Click to hear this word spoken > > > > > > Have you or anybody else had ever answered like this. > > I had tried to explain the Astrological factors that too being known to you. > > Any way I had gone through 1st two charts. I may be entirely wrong , but I > will write what I had seen. > > The 1st person seems to be writer and even good Orator on the subjects > related to Life and Astrology both. > > He must be having good collection of Books. Must be having good collection > of Scriptures or Old Books from 1974 onward. > > > > The 2nd person too is related to Books but I do not find a writer in him. He > could be better a printer His profession is to give exposure to writings. > > > > I had not gone through third person chart. > > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:06 PM > > Re: Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Chart A > > > > October 31, 1945 > > Time: 2:15 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " > > New Delhi, India > > Asc: 16Le > > > > b) Chart B > > > > March 1, 1954 > > Time: 13:42:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " > > Ratnagiri, India > > > > c) Chart C > > > > June 25, 1980 > > Time: 17:00:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > Mumbai, India > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > best wishes > > > > Sunil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Mr Sunil, Celebrate your Deepawali and don't be tense, the chart is not of my taste. This is Mars oriented chart, unpredictable , can have everything you may define in Books modern and old. But the likening is for Technical types that is Modern way of collection. Any way Happy Deepawali, did you ever did a SMS or Phone call for conveying the wishes. Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 Phone-911642211360;9855224360 On Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM Re: Books Karaka & House Once again Om Datta Guru Dear Mr Sahni, I would wait for your exposition on the 3rd chart and also of others who participated in this thread & if anyone else wills to contribute pls do so. In a few days will post the answer. best wishes Sunil <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > " > 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock cart, > > horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all of > us > > have basic common sense on it " > > > > This is how you said Gyan and intelligence. Interestingly Metal Petrol too > belongs to 4rth house, but you was willing to explain the conversion taken > by Vehicles instead of Buffalo Carts , Elephants etc. 4rth is also house of > underground items , so water petrol , metals too relate to this house. > > > > The Fourth is house of Vehicles, movable and Fix property, but you can > separate this from 6th which is house of Pet animals. > > Books for a librarian will be seen from this house. > > > > > 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro books > > or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this in > > the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation > on > > it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka > > > > Yes of course. > > > > > 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this > thread > > predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict > > anything on the books front that u wish. > > After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one of > > the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest 2 > > charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at > this > > and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house > > books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so i > > will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked > the > > query in the first place. > > > > You had not posted your experience , but trying to check the capabilities of > individual. > > In the 1st place you should have posted your experience for a friendly > > > scrutinize > > Click to hear this word spoken > > > > > > Have you or anybody else had ever answered like this. > > I had tried to explain the Astrological factors that too being known to you. > > Any way I had gone through 1st two charts. I may be entirely wrong , but I > will write what I had seen. > > The 1st person seems to be writer and even good Orator on the subjects > related to Life and Astrology both. > > He must be having good collection of Books. Must be having good collection > of Scriptures or Old Books from 1974 onward. > > > > The 2nd person too is related to Books but I do not find a writer in him. He > could be better a printer His profession is to give exposure to writings. > > > > I had not gone through third person chart. > > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > <%40> [ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:06 PM > <%40> > Re: Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Chart A > > > > October 31, 1945 > > Time: 2:15 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " > > New Delhi, India > > Asc: 16Le > > > > b) Chart B > > > > March 1, 1954 > > Time: 13:42:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " > > Ratnagiri, India > > > > c) Chart C > > > > June 25, 1980 > > Time: 17:00:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > Mumbai, India > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > best wishes > > > > Sunil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Om Datta Guru Mr Sahni, Why should i get tense i dont understand. If u cant see chart 3 I will post 3 more charts Yes i sent an sms conveying best wishes best SJ , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Mr Sunil, > > Celebrate your Deepawali and don't be tense, the chart is not of my taste. > This is Mars oriented chart, unpredictable , can have everything you may > define in Books modern and old. But the likening is for Technical types that > is Modern way of collection. > > Any way Happy Deepawali, did you ever did a SMS or Phone call for conveying > the wishes. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > On > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM > > Re: Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Mr Sahni, > I would wait for your exposition on the 3rd chart and also of others who > participated in this thread & if anyone else wills to contribute pls do > so. > In a few days will post the answer. > > best wishes > Sunil > > <%40> > , " Inder Jit Sahni " > inder_jit_sahni@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > " > 3. Classics mention 4H for vahana (vehicles) it was via bullock > cart, > > > horse cart and now via metal, petrol is a form of transition - all > of > > us > > > have basic common sense on it " > > > > > > > > This is how you said Gyan and intelligence. Interestingly Metal Petrol > too > > belongs to 4rth house, but you was willing to explain the conversion > taken > > by Vehicles instead of Buffalo Carts , Elephants etc. 4rth is also > house of > > underground items , so water petrol , metals too relate to this house. > > > > > > > > The Fourth is house of Vehicles, movable and Fix property, but you can > > separate this from 6th which is house of Pet animals. > > > > Books for a librarian will be seen from this house. > > > > > > > > > 4. If i have two charts in front of me one who has all the astro > books > > > or any forms of books in his possession and the other who has this > in > > > the form of e books in his PC, should there not be a differentiation > > on > > > it, there has to be since books would have a specific karaka > > > > > > > > Yes of course. > > > > > > > > > 5. Here are 3 charts can you and others who participated on this > > thread > > > predict on just books and everything concerning it.U can predict > > > anything on the books front that u wish. > > > After that i will share the prediction of a late astrologer on one > of > > > the below charts and of another astrologer from Gujurat on the rest > 2 > > > charts. My problem is i am unable to understand how they arrived at > > this > > > and hence i went on this spree of finding out the karaka and house > > > books. If i take so many houses and so many karakas i dont think so > i > > > will be able to arrive at what their predictions were hence i asked > > the > > > query in the first place. > > > > > > > > You had not posted your experience , but trying to check the > capabilities of > > individual. > > > > In the 1st place you should have posted your experience for a friendly > > > > > > scrutinize > > > > Click to hear this word spoken > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you or anybody else had ever answered like this. > > > > I had tried to explain the Astrological factors that too being known > to you. > > > > Any way I had gone through 1st two charts. I may be entirely wrong , > but I > > will write what I had seen. > > > > The 1st person seems to be writer and even good Orator on the subjects > > related to Life and Astrology both. > > > > He must be having good collection of Books. Must be having good > collection > > of Scriptures or Old Books from 1974 onward. > > > > > > > > The 2nd person too is related to Books but I do not find a writer in > him. He > > could be better a printer His profession is to give exposure to > writings. > > > > > > > > I had not gone through third person chart. > > > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001 > > > > Phone-911642211360;9855224360 > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of suniljohn_2002 > > Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:06 PM > > <%40> > > Re: Books Karaka & House Once again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Chart A > > > > > > October 31, 1945 > > > Time: 2:15 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 " > > > New Delhi, India > > > Asc: 16Le > > > > > > b) Chart B > > > > > > March 1, 1954 > > > Time: 13:42:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 86 E 20' 00 " , 20 N 38' 00 " > > > Ratnagiri, India > > > > > > c) Chart C > > > > > > June 25, 1980 > > > Time: 17:00:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > Mumbai, India > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 i confirm that 4th house is the house of underground items. many classics have referred to it. so for example saturn in the 4th house could easily be where oil is located? therefore dig and you may strike black gold!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear Sunil, please refer the Pvt. mail between us. You said that participants will be hurt on your disclosure ;I dont know about others but I will not be hurt, if I was not able to convey the same things the other astrologer was able to convey. As the time we consumed on your offered research will go waste. So dont worry and in the spirit of learning , post your part of the story. With BesT wishes, Inder Jit Sahni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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