Parasara on Chara Karakas: An Independent Interpretation

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

Here is the promised article on chara karakas. I have no pretensions that I got

it correct. But this is based on an honest attempt to purge all preconceived

notions from the mind and approach Parasara's verses with a fresh and unbiased

mind.

 

In my view, neither the 7 chara karaka school nor the 8 chara karaka school got

Parasara correct. Parasara taught that 7 chara karakas should be used in some

charts and 8 chara karakas in some charts and clearly described when to use

what.

 

I am trying to share whatever I was able to understand by reading Parasara's

exposition on chara karakas with an open mind and then experimenting. If you

think my interpretation has some worth in it, please use it, experiment, benefit

and spread the knowledge. If not, just leave it.

 

I have uploaded a detailed article on chara karakas on my website. It describes

the calculation with 16 examples, covering various cases. Apart from defining

chara karaka calculation, this article also defines and uses a dasa called

" Karaka dasa " that was taught by Parasara for the purpose of timing events using

chara karakas. Please download the following PDF file if interested:

 

http://VedicAstrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf

 

If you find the article useful, please feel free to forward this link to those

who may be interested.

 

Krishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

Let me extract /emphasize some points from your article,

for everyone interested to study this must-read text:

 

1/'...the choice is based on clear and tangible rules, there is nothing left to

arbitrary choice' by anybody

 

2/ 'there is no such a thing as charakaraka parivartana, chara karakas are fixed

 

3. one that becomes absent /from the portfolio/  " gets judged by corresponding

shtira karaka " (!!)

 

4. " karaka dasa- if calculation of karakas change, dasa shange as well.

/I am excited about exploring and applying this 'lead', indeed/

 

KISS works- always. Thank You!

 

Examples are excellent, HI everyone! should study this,/IMHO/. 

 

              This article is certainly  the one of the most important moments

in my studying Jyotish., and I am sure it will become for many others. You

touched me. It's not just about CK's, of course. Your standpoint  well known to

me based on what you've already wrote about, is getting crystal clear now, is

rounded-off sort of. Too long have you abstained from being /too/ clear!

I understood and 'clicked' on the basic right away, of course, when you

presented it. I was ready immediately to explore this further because of

your proven to me, authority- not only as a Sanskrit expert but as an honest,

capable, truth-seeking student of jyotish, ready to share his wealth with all.

 

I write this with  humble intention to share that little piece of my interest

and understanding with those who might find it interesting.

 

This article fits perfectly the place of that 'missing part' I've been searching

for. There is nothing left to 'speculations over choices' really- getting

overwhelmed and lost by ever increasing growth of concepts,  cryptic slokas

interpretations /as if wild theoretical expansion is more important than

understanding /

 

vs. those 'unambiguous' 'non-arbitrary', from Pasaraara himself. 

 

Jyotish is not about growing pile of   'mind-entertaining' but poorly

connected, useless concepts, I hear you.

You serve the call of your consciousness, you you don't need to be praised by

anyone, I know that.

Thank you, anyway.

 

Respectfully,

Yours

Anna

 

 

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

Parasara on Chara Karakas: An Independent Interpretation

sohamsa , vedic astrology ,

, sjc-guru ,

sjcBoston

Thursday, October 23, 2008, 12:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste friends,

 

Here is the promised article on chara karakas. I have no pretensions that I got

it correct. But this is based on an honest attempt to purge all preconceived

notions from the mind and approach Parasara's verses with a fresh and unbiased

mind.

 

In my view, neither the 7 chara karaka school nor the 8 chara karaka school got

Parasara correct. Parasara taught that 7 chara karakas should be used in some

charts and 8 chara karakas in some charts and clearly described when to use

what.

 

I am trying to share whatever I was able to understand by reading Parasara's

exposition on chara karakas with an open mind and then experimenting. If you

think my interpretation has some worth in it, please use it, experiment, benefit

and spread the knowledge. If not, just leave it.

 

I have uploaded a detailed article on chara karakas on my website. It describes

the calculation with 16 examples, covering various cases. Apart from defining

chara karaka calculation, this article also defines and uses a dasa called

" Karaka dasa " that was taught by Parasara for the purpose of timing events using

chara karakas. Please download the following PDF file if interested:

 

http://VedicAstrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf

 

If you find the article useful, please feel free to forward this link to those

who may be interested.

 

Krishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Narasimha Ji

 

It was interesting to read your article.It made me read the verses

numerous times and read the views of numerous authors. I have books

from Prof Shastri, Irangati Rangacharya, K.N.Rao, R.Santhanam, Sanjay

Rath, Chandrashekar Sharma etc. I also got a chance to listen to

K.N.Raoji on this subject. I am yet to reach a conclusion as the

topic is not that simple and needs deep study.

 

I will raise the concerns after proper study.

 

However i would request you to think on why the scholars of yester

years did think of ''two schools''.

 

Is there any word which points towards that. In my view there is one

word which has a special meaning, and can/may convey ''different

views''. That word is Kechith.

 

As per the parampara of Varahamihira Kechid is used for expressing a

different view or school of thought. This is clearly explained by

Dashadhyayi karaka in the Varahahora translation, while talking about

kemadruma. He stresses on the word ''Kechid''.

 

Thus ''Saptaiva Karakanevam KECHIDashtau Prachakshathe'', when read

along with with previous line ''amshai samau .....'' can very well

mean - as per the views of some/school of thought, rahu comes into

picture only during tie and as per another school 8 karakas can be

used along with 7(or 7 & 8 can be used even if there is no tie).

 

I am not sure whether this grammatical usage is equally applicable

for Prashara literature or not. However it points to a very valid

reason for many scholars to translate ''2 school of thoughts''.

 

''Anye Vadanti'' relating matri/suta is also similar. Meanings of

Antyakaraka line and tadagrakarakasyaivam also needs special

attention.

 

Thank you very much for your detailed study.You may kindly consider

my concerns as well.

 

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Here is the promised article on chara karakas. I have no

pretensions that I got it correct. But this is based on an honest

attempt to purge all preconceived notions from the mind and approach

Parasara's verses with a fresh and unbiased mind.

>

> In my view, neither the 7 chara karaka school nor the 8 chara

karaka school got Parasara correct. Parasara taught that 7 chara

karakas should be used in some charts and 8 chara karakas in some

charts and clearly described when to use what.

>

> I am trying to share whatever I was able to understand by reading

Parasara's exposition on chara karakas with an open mind and then

experimenting. If you think my interpretation has some worth in it,

please use it, experiment, benefit and spread the knowledge. If not,

just leave it.

>

> I have uploaded a detailed article on chara karakas on my website.

It describes the calculation with 16 examples, covering various

cases. Apart from defining chara karaka calculation, this article

also defines and uses a dasa called " Karaka dasa " that was taught by

Parasara for the purpose of timing events using chara karakas. Please

download the following PDF file if interested:

>

> http://VedicAstrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf

>

> If you find the article useful, please feel free to forward this

link to those who may be interested.

>

> Krishnaarpanamastu,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

 

Hope you are doing well. Happy Deepavali! It is always nice to hear from you.

 

Maharshi Parasara said " We use 7 or 8 planets. When X happens, THEN we use 8

planets. THUS, we use 7 in some and 8 in some " .

 

As you said, it is obvious when X happens that 8 are to be used. However, it is

also fair to conclude that 7 are used when X does not happen.

 

This would be a fair conclusion normally. Moreover, the use of the word " evam "

seals it here.

 

The word " evam " means " thus " or " in this manner " or " like this " . By using this

word, he is indicating that what he has said before is sufficient to see when to

use 7 and when to use 8. It implies that there is no other guideline and *this

is how* we figure out. If there is some additional guideline to choose between 7

vs 8, the word " evam " would not have been used. Thus, one can reject the notion

that there are more unspoken crtiteria.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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Spirituality:

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-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

sjc-guru

Cc: sohamsa ; vedic astrology ;

; sjcBoston

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:20 AM

Re: [sjc-guru] Parasara on Chara Karakas: An Independent

Interpretation

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Narasimhaji,

 

I had a thought about the first few stanzas,

 

 

Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas

athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn.h |

 

saptaravyAdishanyantAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn.h || 1||

 

aMshaiH samaugnahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan.h chintayet.h tadA |

 

saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2||

 

 

 

This can be translated literally as: " Now I am speaking about seven planets

from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu,

acting as the significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees,

then planets upto Rahu should be thought of.

Thus, only seven significators [in some] and eight in some are considered. "

 

 

 

 

This may also mean that

 

USE Rahu IF there is two planets in same degrees, " aMshaiH samaugnahau dvau

ched.hrAhvantan.h chintayet.h tadA | "

 

But this may not mean that NOT TO USE EIGHT Kaarakas when there is no grahas

in same Degress

 

 

Let me put it this way

 

SET 1 : USE Rahu when grahas in same degress 8 Kaaraka systems.

 

THE REMAINING SET : YOU can still use both 7 and 8 kaarakas.

 

I hope I am bringing out my thoughts accurately. The stanza never says " FOR

THE REMAINING " USE ONLY 7 KAARAKAS.

 

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

 

 

2008/10/23 Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

 

Namaste friends,

 

Here is the promised article on chara karakas. I have no pretensions that I

got it correct. But this is based on an honest attempt to purge all preconceived

notions from the mind and approach Parasara's verses with a fresh and unbiased

mind.

 

In my view, neither the 7 chara karaka school nor the 8 chara karaka school

got Parasara correct. Parasara taught that 7 chara karakas should be used in

some charts and 8 chara karakas in some charts and clearly described when to use

what.

 

I am trying to share whatever I was able to understand by reading Parasara's

exposition on chara karakas with an open mind and then experimenting. If you

think my interpretation has some worth in it, please use it, experiment, benefit

and spread the knowledge. If not, just leave it.

 

I have uploaded a detailed article on chara karakas on my website. It

describes the calculation with 16 examples, covering various cases. Apart from

defining chara karaka calculation, this article also defines and uses a dasa

called " Karaka dasa " that was taught by Parasara for the purpose of timing

events using chara karakas. Please download the following PDF file if

interested:

 

http://VedicAstrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf

 

If you find the article useful, please feel free to forward this link to

those who may be interested.

 

Krishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------

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Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

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