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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Friends,

Thanks for those who have written privately with datas, something very

interesting just might be emerging out and if others can join in then

something substantial and faster can emerge out

 

Need help again, what is the karaka of books & which house is

represented by books

 

If friends can guide its great and if with classical quotes then also

greater. Those who wanna write with just their experience still good

(request to others if someone writes with their experience pls don't

pounce on them asking for classical authority)

 

Love & Light

sunil john

mumbai

P.S: My weird thought New books Mer and old books Saturn or Saturn Mer

combo, 3H/5H

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil,

 

The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Friends,

> Thanks for those who have written privately with datas, something very

> interesting just might be emerging out and if others can join in then

> something substantial and faster can emerge out

>

> Need help again, what is the karaka of books & which house is

> represented by books

>

> If friends can guide its great and if with classical quotes then also

> greater. Those who wanna write with just their experience still good

> (request to others if someone writes with their experience pls don't

> pounce on them asking for classical authority)

>

> Love & Light

> sunil john

> mumbai

> P.S: My weird thought New books Mer and old books Saturn or Saturn Mer

> combo, 3H/5H

>

>

>

>

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Sreeram,

Yes that can also be the case which i had earlier thought as Jupiter

more so for karaka for astro books as Jupiter is Gyan.

What about manuscripts would it be Saturn, how do we see in a chart that

person will have craze for Old Books and Old manuscripts

 

best wishes

Sunil

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Thanks for those who have written privately with datas, something

very

> > interesting just might be emerging out and if others can join in

then

> > something substantial and faster can emerge out

> >

> > Need help again, what is the karaka of books & which house is

> > represented by books

> >

> > If friends can guide its great and if with classical quotes then

also

> > greater. Those who wanna write with just their experience still good

> > (request to others if someone writes with their experience pls don't

> > pounce on them asking for classical authority)

> >

> > Love & Light

> > sunil john

> > mumbai

> > P.S: My weird thought New books Mer and old books Saturn or Saturn

Mer

> > combo, 3H/5H

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Saturn is history---old---- and fifth house also, the house of the past,

historical literature is Jupiter's connection with both

-

suniljohn_2002

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:22 AM

Re: Books Karaka & House

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Sreeram,

Yes that can also be the case which i had earlier thought as Jupiter

more so for karaka for astro books as Jupiter is Gyan.

What about manuscripts would it be Saturn, how do we see in a chart that

person will have craze for Old Books and Old manuscripts

 

best wishes

Sunil

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Thanks for those who have written privately with datas, something

very

> > interesting just might be emerging out and if others can join in

then

> > something substantial and faster can emerge out

> >

> > Need help again, what is the karaka of books & which house is

> > represented by books

> >

> > If friends can guide its great and if with classical quotes then

also

> > greater. Those who wanna write with just their experience still good

> > (request to others if someone writes with their experience pls don't

> > pounce on them asking for classical authority)

> >

> > Love & Light

> > sunil john

> > mumbai

> > P.S: My weird thought New books Mer and old books Saturn or Saturn

Mer

> > combo, 3H/5H

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I would also look at a strong Mercury and third house of written comms, as well

as a good Moon for fame and ninth house also for fame, all of which when

aspected by Jupiter would bring book published, as long as there are good yogas

in the chart

-

sreeram srinivas

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:15 AM

Re: Books Karaka & House

 

 

 

Dear Sunil,

 

The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Friends,

> Thanks for those who have written privately with datas, something very

> interesting just might be emerging out and if others can join in then

> something substantial and faster can emerge out

>

> Need help again, what is the karaka of books & which house is

> represented by books

>

> If friends can guide its great and if with classical quotes then also

> greater. Those who wanna write with just their experience still good

> (request to others if someone writes with their experience pls don't

> pounce on them asking for classical authority)

>

> Love & Light

> sunil john

> mumbai

> P.S: My weird thought New books Mer and old books Saturn or Saturn Mer

> combo, 3H/5H

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sunil,

 

Coming to basic points of astrology - Library of books that one is

likely to read is based on the sign, predominance is represented by the

Planets in that sign or PAC or amsa dispositor PLUS the HOUSE

represented by the Sign & Planets placed there

 

Example :

 

Taurus Sign = fixed sign = one tend to read books of those authors who

are authoritative { have fixed mindset on a given subject}

 

Gemini Sign = dual sign = one tend to read books of mixed or hybrid

ideas {like our economists who keep changing their theories based on

society & country..etc.}... also imaginative ideas generating books

 

Aries Sign = movable sign = you often here in friends circles about few

people's specialization on LATEST techniques / technology / ..... i.e.

in short everything LATEST in market place or in that subject......

 

So in short, there no shortcuts in astrology..... { Some Yester Years

Event - How Mr. S hororscope was analysed by famous Mr. K and concluded

it was - A_____ topic....}

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Sreeram,

> Yes that can also be the case which i had earlier thought as Jupiter

> more so for karaka for astro books as Jupiter is Gyan.

> What about manuscripts would it be Saturn, how do we see in a chart

that

> person will have craze for Old Books and Old manuscripts

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

> , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Sreeram,

Thanks for your reply. Maybe its my english again which is not so

productive at times, you wrote about the kind of books one is to read

whereas my query on this forum is on a more fundamental query,

 

" Which is the house of Books'

 

Maybe your prashna friends can help here as they would know which house

for books.

 

Sorry if i was not clear in my query earlier. Re karaka others have

posted their views and is helpful.

 

Thanks

regards

Sunil john

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Coming to basic points of astrology - Library of books that one is

> likely to read is based on the sign, predominance is represented by

the

> Planets in that sign or PAC or amsa dispositor PLUS the HOUSE

> represented by the Sign & Planets placed there

>

> Example :

>

> Taurus Sign = fixed sign = one tend to read books of those authors who

> are authoritative { have fixed mindset on a given subject}

>

> Gemini Sign = dual sign = one tend to read books of mixed or hybrid

> ideas {like our economists who keep changing their theories based on

> society & country..etc.}... also imaginative ideas generating books

>

> Aries Sign = movable sign = you often here in friends circles about

few

> people's specialization on LATEST techniques / technology / ..... i.e.

> in short everything LATEST in market place or in that subject......

>

> So in short, there no shortcuts in astrology..... { Some Yester Years

> Event - How Mr. S hororscope was analysed by famous Mr. K and

concluded

> it was - A_____ topic....}

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Sreeram,

> > Yes that can also be the case which i had earlier thought as Jupiter

> > more so for karaka for astro books as Jupiter is Gyan.

> > What about manuscripts would it be Saturn, how do we see in a chart

> that

> > person will have craze for Old Books and Old manuscripts

> >

> > best wishes

> > Sunil

> > , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > The karaka for books is Jupiter. Think 4H represents books.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil,

 

As said earlier, I still consider 4H for basic books in general.

Beyond that I concur with what Ms. Neelam ji has mentioned in her mail

i.e. NO specific house for books.

 

Prasna-friend(s) do not have any answer for this - seem to agree on

above.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Sreeram

Thanks, yes 4H is generally what is accepted as it is house of vidya

 

best wishes

Sunil

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> As said earlier, I still consider 4H for basic books in general.

> Beyond that I concur with what Ms. Neelam ji has mentioned in her mail

> i.e. NO specific house for books.

>

> Prasna-friend(s) do not have any answer for this - seem to agree on

> above.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

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Dear Sunil,

 

To answer your question , let me answer through question?

 

Which is the house of Eyes? And which is the house of Eye Sight?

 

 

 

Another is which house belongs to arms and which is the house of Strength of

arms and other things equating with Arms brothers and friends?

 

 

 

And which is the house of Sex and which is the house of Wife?

 

 

 

Hope I am not confusing you and it will help.

 

With Best wishes,

 

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001

 

Phone-911642211360;9855224360

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Friday, October 24, 2008 2:19 PM

 

Re: Books Karaka & House

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Sreeram

Thanks, yes 4H is generally what is accepted as it is house of vidya

 

best wishes

Sunil

<%40>

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> As said earlier, I still consider 4H for basic books in general.

> Beyond that I concur with what Ms. Neelam ji has mentioned in her mail

> i.e. NO specific house for books.

>

> Prasna-friend(s) do not have any answer for this - seem to agree on

> above.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

 

 

 

 

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit ji,

 

ha ha u had me more confused.

 

But i got the gist of it

 

Thanks

 

Regards

Sunil

 

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> To answer your question , let me answer through question?

>

> Which is the house of Eyes? And which is the house of Eye Sight?

>

>

>

> Another is which house belongs to arms and which is the house of

Strength of

> arms and other things equating with Arms brothers and friends?

>

>

>

> And which is the house of Sex and which is the house of Wife?

>

>

>

> Hope I am not confusing you and it will help.

>

> With Best wishes,

>

>

>

> Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001

>

> Phone-911642211360;9855224360

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Friday, October 24, 2008 2:19 PM

>

> Re: Books Karaka & House

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Sreeram

> Thanks, yes 4H is generally what is accepted as it is house of vidya

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

>

<%40>

> , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > As said earlier, I still consider 4H for basic books in general.

> > Beyond that I concur with what Ms. Neelam ji has mentioned in her

mail

> > i.e. NO specific house for books.

> >

> > Prasna-friend(s) do not have any answer for this - seem to agree on

> > above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

>

>

>

>

> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com

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10/22/2008

> 7:23 AM

>

>

>

>

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Neelam,

Today i was speaking with Kursijaji in the afternoon and he made a point

that 2H is possessions so if we look at books as our possession it could

be 2H

 

Rest all as you said is the basics, but in case if you or anyone finds a

classical source to this pls feel free to point it out.

Would be obliged.

 

best wishes

sunil

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil and All,

>

> I thank all the members who have appreciated and found my post useful.

>

> Sunil is still bent on finding a place for books in the horoscope…

let us

> forward some reasoning on this.

>

> Most of the classics agree on 2H/4H/5H for vidya and learning. 2H is

more of

> informal learning through parents and at-home. It will mostly relate

to oral

> learning. We may not need books here. (it has become different in

today's

> times when 2-year-olds are being forced to read and write). But 2H is

also

> our possessions and we include wealth, gems, assets, etc. in 2H. If

books

> are one of those assets that we have/created, then we can put the

books

> here.

>

> More formal and bookish learning starts in 4H and 5H, which are the

main

> houses for Vidya. But books are the tools for leaning, not learning.

At best

> they can be called teachers/gurus… 'the givers of gyan'. Should we

not then

> put them in 9H? Weren't Vedas, which were the tools of ancient

learning

> covered in 9H?

>

> I feel that the classics have given us enough indications to locate

> everything in a horoscope and we should extend our logics on the basis

of

> this guidance, using the desh-kaal-patra and primarily KAAL. With

changing

> times, the whole perception of teaching-learning and tools needed for

that

> has undergone a sea change. For a distant learning session, where

would I

> place my computer? Is it a book, a teacher, a classroom, or just a

modern

> gadget in my hands? Apart from a tool for learning, it is used for

> communication, entertainment.... so where do we see it?

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

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Books are communication to us.

 

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001

 

Phone-911642211360;9855224360

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Friday, October 24, 2008 9:41 PM

 

Re: Books Karaka & House

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Inderjit ji,

 

ha ha u had me more confused.

 

But i got the gist of it

 

Thanks

 

Regards

Sunil

 

<%40>

, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> To answer your question , let me answer through question?

>

> Which is the house of Eyes? And which is the house of Eye Sight?

>

>

>

> Another is which house belongs to arms and which is the house of

Strength of

> arms and other things equating with Arms brothers and friends?

>

>

>

> And which is the house of Sex and which is the house of Wife?

>

>

>

> Hope I am not confusing you and it will help.

>

> With Best wishes,

>

>

>

> Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001

>

> Phone-911642211360;9855224360

>

>

>

> <%40>

 

[ <%40>

] On

> Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

> Friday, October 24, 2008 2:19 PM

> <%40>

> Re: Books Karaka & House

>

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Sreeram

> Thanks, yes 4H is generally what is accepted as it is house of vidya

>

> best wishes

> Sunil

>

<%40>

<%40>

> , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > As said earlier, I still consider 4H for basic books in general.

> > Beyond that I concur with what Ms. Neelam ji has mentioned in her

mail

> > i.e. NO specific house for books.

> >

> > Prasna-friend(s) do not have any answer for this - seem to agree on

> > above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

>

>

>

>

> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com

> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date:

10/22/2008

> 7:23 AM

>

>

>

>

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Neelam,

My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2

thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral

tradition.

 

a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE)

 

The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or

Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository of

Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said to

comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned

for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia)

 

b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu

and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is so

many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral

tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our

classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not possible.

 

Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post on

this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or

karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our ancients

have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating.

 

best wishes

Sunil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc...

but we

> cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there

were no

> books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most of

the

> knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check

> Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and you

won't

> find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute Gurus

for

> books and hence 9H.

>

> I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy,

though it

> is not learning as such, but is a process in learning.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

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Dear Sunil,

 

What are you meant by Oral tradition?

 

You had put the word Communication in another form

 

And Books in the present form were never before, if you define them Papers

written and stitched together , giving some information.

 

These were in the form of Bhoj Patras hand written.

 

How will you compare a Bhoj Patra containing knowledge or some information

or some drawing , with my Email on the electronics Media?

 

How will you compare an Ebook , giving Knowledge on Dharma , Astrology,

Physics or Mathematics on my Palm top or Pocket PC?

 

 

 

How will you compare a piece of paper written to his countrymen, with a set

of papers written with the same motive with a Book?

 

 

 

How will you compare Notes prepared by a student and then bonded together?

 

 

 

Astrology is for the persons who will catch from one word and , do not

expect from sages to write details about it.

 

The persons who are in the informative field in Astrology should be strong

fundamentally.

 

Or the subject is already confusing to most of the fresher’s by Scholars

who come with new meaning of Sanskrit Shalokas but practically making wrong

predictions mostly . One’s life time is required to understand the basic

essence of Astrology , so decide , if these Scholars are benefitting to the

Astrology Community or harming to it.

 

 

 

I was teaching to my student , Mercury is friend of Moon but Moon is enemy

to Mercury.

 

 

 

This is elaborated in Geeta when Lord Krishna says to Arjuna, that arrest

you mind with intelligence and only then you can reach to the Soul.

 

 

 

Means Mercury the intelligence can arrest the Mind and thus can control the

Mind and thus Mercury is friend to Moon .

 

But a wavering Mind does not let your intelligence work.

 

That is Moon is the enemy of Mercury. So Mercury is the significator of

intelligence, and what is intelligence, the power to decide , what is

observed by senses, to decide that is because of Mercury/intelligence. Hence

what is heard, seen, touched or tasted. Out of these books communicating by

seeing and to blinds by Touch or through hearing aids. Hence Mercury is the

significator of Books.

 

 

 

5th is the house of intelligence , with Sun and Leo its basic Ruler a Satwik

Planet but Leo being Fix is a Tamoguni sign. Gemini Air element but a Satwik

sign controlled by Rajsik Mercury is the House of Communication , instrument

for Higher learning , being 7th to 9th and being 11th to 5th for beginning

in education.

 

I practically use 5th house for Basic education and 4rth house for Higher

Education .9th for the Institute and teachers are part of Institute, you

may not need books with good teachers , you may be asked to take notes only

, so 9th is cause of books but not directly books.

 

 

 

So Books , Letters, Emails, News Papers, Telephonic conversation , Oral

tradition, Ebboks all realte to 3rd house and the Basic significator of them

is Mercury.

 

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni,#1351-HIG,Model Town, Bhatinda-151001

 

Phone-911642211360;9855224360

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of suniljohn_2002

Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:07 PM

 

Re: Books Karaka & House

 

 

 

Om Datta Guru

Dear Neelam,

My understanding is books were there atleast a few hundred or 1-2

thousand years back. The essence of the books were taught through oral

tradition.

 

a) We had Nalanda University (427 CE to 1197 CE)

 

The library of Nalanda, known as Dharma Gunj (Mountain of Truth) or

Dharmagañja (Treasury of Truth), was the most renowned repository of

Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time. Its collection was said to

comprise hundreds of thousands of volumes, so extensive that it burned

for months when set aflame by Muslim invaders. (wikipedia)

 

b) I presume Bhrighu Samhita was written in book form by Sage Bhrighu

and he predates most of our classic authors. The reason i presume is so

many thousands of horoscopes nobody would have passed on in oral

tradition though i am aware & met people who remember 25 of our

classical books but the full Bhrighu samhita i presume is not possible.

 

Anyways, I see this discussion going nowhere, my main attempt to post on

this list was if anyone has seen a classical source for the house or

karaka of books, rest all posted is logical analysis which our ancients

have already talked about. But I thank everyone for participating.

 

best wishes

Sunil

 

<%40>

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> We find houses for elephants, horses, palanquin's, umbrellas, etc...

but we

> cannot hope to see books in this list, because in those times, there

were no

> books. Knowledge was not imparted by way of written documents. Most of

the

> knowledge was in Guru-shishya parampara, by word of mouth. Check

> Uttarkalamrit which gives maximum significations of any house and you

won't

> find books mentioned anywhere. That is why I tried to substitute Gurus

for

> books and hence 9H.

>

> I guess Sahni ji's point about communication is also noteworthy,

though it

> is not learning as such, but is a process in learning.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

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