Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 why does mars rahu lead to imprisonment. also what is the significance of that in the dasamsa can that also lead to the same issue. i mean in the case of barack obama, he has it in the rasi chart. by the way the barack obama time (that is accurate) has been known for quite sometime i am really suprised that people are still talking abou this. one more thing thank you for the update on biden? so what is the consensus from the group for the us presidential election. do we see barack obama winning then? i believe narasimha rao said that he saw mccain winning. i really think saturn is the key planet when it comes to this. saturn not only rules responsiblity (president is a big responsibility) but also rules leader of the masses. remember during the kerry and bush election that the energy especially in cities that i had travelled clearly showed that kerry should win. no one thought bush would win at that time and quite a number of astrologers said that kerry would win. but what i had noted during that election time was the saturn transit on the natal saturn of george bush jr which also happened to be in the nakshatra of pushyami and also furthermore its nakshatra lord was also saturn. that is exaclty the reason i felt i had strength to say that george bush jr was going to win even though for god sakes it was a terrible mistake in public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Dear Raj I'm glad you asked about Rahu Mars connection with imprisonment. I mentioned this due to some charts I read recently which had Rahu involved in a hanging in one case, and severe childhood constraints in another, but where also the cord was wrapped around the neck at birth. Saturn is main sig of imprisonment and Rahu takes on Saturn's role. Rahu is also rope and BPHS states that if Rahu is in asc then cord can be wrapped around the body at birch, telling us further that Rahu is rope--or a sign of bondage--being tied up. In the case of the hanging Mars in 6H Aquarius of a native was parivartana Saturn 9H and Venus 3H, and Rahu transitted natal Mrs at the time his mother hanged herself after many years of hospital confinement. Of course Mars with Rahu on its own doesn't bring about the imprisonment or bondage, there have to be other significations to support it, which is why Obama's chart was so peculiar to be so full of so many significations I could go on but wont, though looking at BPHS again at results of sooksmantardasas of Mars and Rahu, he gives imprisonment as a result if other placements in the natal chart should imply such things will happen. Hope this serves to explain my thinking on this combi best wishes M--by the way Radhe---aka Aphton is a female and has been on the list certainly since I have since 198 something! - Raja Gursahani Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:52 PM dear marg and other astrologers why does mars rahu lead to imprisonment. also what is the significance of that in the dasamsa can that also lead to the same issue. i mean in the case of barack obama, he has it in the rasi chart. by the way the barack obama time (that is accurate) has been known for quite sometime i am really suprised that people are still talking abou this. one more thing thank you for the update on biden? so what is the consensus from the group for the us presidential election. do we see barack obama winning then? i believe narasimha rao said that he saw mccain winning. i really think saturn is the key planet when it comes to this. saturn not only rules responsiblity (president is a big responsibility) but also rules leader of the masses. remember during the kerry and bush election that the energy especially in cities that i had travelled clearly showed that kerry should win. no one thought bush would win at that time and quite a number of astrologers said that kerry would win. but what i had noted during that election time was the saturn transit on the natal saturn of george bush jr which also happened to be in the nakshatra of pushyami and also furthermore its nakshatra lord was also saturn. that is exaclty the reason i felt i had strength to say that george bush jr was going to win even though for god sakes it was a terrible mistake in public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Namaste Marg and all, This is an interesting discussion about the meaning of Rahu, a significator of ropes or bondage, when it conjuncts with Mars and other grahas. There's a story in the Shrimad Bhagavatam which tells of Bali Maharaja who was captured and was forced to give all of his kingdom to Lord Vamanadeva. Bali Maharaja was bound by the snake- ropes of Varuna. So, Rahu, a significator of snakes, can represent ropes to bind a captive. By extension, the type of bondage should vary depending on the planet that is conjunct with Rahu. This is a theory which should be verified with actual practice of jyotish. Regards, John R. , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Raj > I'm glad you asked about Rahu Mars connection with imprisonment. I mentioned this due to some charts I read recently which had Rahu involved in a hanging in one case, and severe childhood constraints in another, but where also the cord was wrapped around the neck at birth. > > Saturn is main sig of imprisonment and Rahu takes on Saturn's role. Rahu is also rope and BPHS states that if Rahu is in asc then cord can be wrapped around the body at birch, telling us further that Rahu is rope--or a sign of bondage--being tied up. > > In the case of the hanging Mars in 6H Aquarius of a native was parivartana Saturn 9H and Venus 3H, and Rahu transitted natal Mrs at the time his mother hanged herself after many years of hospital confinement. > > Of course Mars with Rahu on its own doesn't bring about the imprisonment or bondage, there have to be other significations to support it, which is why Obama's chart was so peculiar to be so full of so many significations > > I could go on but wont, though looking at BPHS again at results of sooksmantardasas of Mars and Rahu, he gives imprisonment as a result if other placements in the natal chart should imply such things will happen. > > Hope this serves to explain my thinking on this combi > best wishes M--by the way Radhe---aka Aphton is a female and has been on the list certainly since I have since 198 something! > > - > Raja Gursahani > > Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:52 PM > dear marg and other astrologers > > > why does mars rahu lead to imprisonment. also what is the significance of > that in the dasamsa can that also lead to the same issue. i mean in the case > of barack obama, he has it in the rasi chart. > > by the way the barack obama time (that is accurate) has been known for quite > sometime i am really suprised that people are still talking abou this. > > one more thing thank you for the update on biden? so what is the consensus > from the group for the us presidential election. do we see barack obama > winning then? i believe narasimha rao said that he saw mccain winning. > > i really think saturn is the key planet when it comes to this. saturn not > only rules responsiblity (president is a big responsibility) but also rules > leader of the masses. > > remember during the kerry and bush election that the energy especially in > cities that i had travelled clearly showed that kerry should win. no one > thought bush would win at that time and quite a number of astrologers said > that kerry would win. but what i had noted during that election time was the > saturn transit on the natal saturn of george bush jr which also happened to > be in the nakshatra of pushyami and also furthermore its nakshatra lord was > also saturn. that is exaclty the reason i felt i had strength to say that > george bush jr was going to win even though for god sakes it was a terrible > mistake in public opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Dear J and Raja, First of all I should correct hasty recording of affiliation to the list to 1990 something not 1980's! Sorry for hasty word processing---a fact which informs my little involvement to the list as I know it takes time, and attention to detail in such important matters as jyotish. Secondly, yes J actual practice bears fruit and deeper understanding of ancient seer's sutras and insights, but we must also not always expect them to give full descriptors, as I am sure you are aware. I was pleased that Raja asked the question as it made me discern more deeply the Mars /Rahu connection as well as other factors about imprisonment, and I read Brihat Jataka once more in relation to this situation, and feel more confident of this astrological situation and happier about the translation. I got Brihat Jataka very many years ago and knew it would take many years to understand, but finally I feel more capable of getting to the bottom of what he is trying to say, for which I am most grateful! Practice makes perfect and hopefully I will be given many more years to perfect the practice! I am delighted I finally understand what BJ is trying to say to me about bondage etc and will happily report this to the list: 1 If malefics occupy 12, 2, 5,9 in ANY way the native will suffer imprisonment or restraint of the nature of the rising sign. If rising sign be Aries Taurus or Sag then will be bound by ropes Gem, Virgo, Libra, Aq will be fettered Cancer, Cap Pisces, shut up in a fortress but taken care of Scor---kept in an undergroundcellar (which brings both Hitler and Saddam Hussain to mind) 2 If rising drekkana be sarpa (snake) or pasa (rope) and drekkana lord is aspected by malefics then the native will suffer imprisonment of the nature of such sign as signalled by the lord of the drekkana rising: i.e if drekkana rising is 1st drekkana Cancer ruled by Moon---so if moon in this chart of cancer asc 1st drekkana rising, is aspected by malefics then the native wil be shut up in a fortress but taken care of 1st drekkana of Scorpio ruled by Mars, then the person will be kept in an undergound cellar ( reminds me of Saddam Hussain and Hitler) or, ruled by 2nd Drekkana of Scorpio, Jupiter which rules Pisces, then will be shut up in a fortress but taken care of. 3rd drekkana of Pisces ruled by Mars then the person will be kept in an underground cellar. However if Capricorn sign be rising then if it is the first drekkana rising, ruled by Saturn, then it implies that the native will be shut up in a fortress but taken care of. Hope this is useful to those reading charts on a manic/speedy/when is my holiday going to come basis, goodness was that my break, you must be joking:-) best wishes and lets hope we get to read the crystal ball in our next life M - John Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:28 PM Re: dear marg and other astrologers Namaste Marg and all, This is an interesting discussion about the meaning of Rahu, a significator of ropes or bondage, when it conjuncts with Mars and other grahas. There's a story in the Shrimad Bhagavatam which tells of Bali Maharaja who was captured and was forced to give all of his kingdom to Lord Vamanadeva. Bali Maharaja was bound by the snake- ropes of Varuna. So, Rahu, a significator of snakes, can represent ropes to bind a captive. By extension, the type of bondage should vary depending on the planet that is conjunct with Rahu. This is a theory which should be verified with actual practice of jyotish. Regards, John R. , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Raj > I'm glad you asked about Rahu Mars connection with imprisonment. I mentioned this due to some charts I read recently which had Rahu involved in a hanging in one case, and severe childhood constraints in another, but where also the cord was wrapped around the neck at birth. > > Saturn is main sig of imprisonment and Rahu takes on Saturn's role. Rahu is also rope and BPHS states that if Rahu is in asc then cord can be wrapped around the body at birch, telling us further that Rahu is rope--or a sign of bondage--being tied up. > > In the case of the hanging Mars in 6H Aquarius of a native was parivartana Saturn 9H and Venus 3H, and Rahu transitted natal Mrs at the time his mother hanged herself after many years of hospital confinement. > > Of course Mars with Rahu on its own doesn't bring about the imprisonment or bondage, there have to be other significations to support it, which is why Obama's chart was so peculiar to be so full of so many significations > > I could go on but wont, though looking at BPHS again at results of sooksmantardasas of Mars and Rahu, he gives imprisonment as a result if other placements in the natal chart should imply such things will happen. > > Hope this serves to explain my thinking on this combi > best wishes M--by the way Radhe---aka Aphton is a female and has been on the list certainly since I have since 198 something! > > - > Raja Gursahani > > Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:52 PM > dear marg and other astrologers > > > why does mars rahu lead to imprisonment. also what is the significance of > that in the dasamsa can that also lead to the same issue. i mean in the case > of barack obama, he has it in the rasi chart. > > by the way the barack obama time (that is accurate) has been known for quite > sometime i am really suprised that people are still talking abou this. > > one more thing thank you for the update on biden? so what is the consensus > from the group for the us presidential election. do we see barack obama > winning then? i believe narasimha rao said that he saw mccain winning. > > i really think saturn is the key planet when it comes to this. saturn not > only rules responsiblity (president is a big responsibility) but also rules > leader of the masses. > > remember during the kerry and bush election that the energy especially in > cities that i had travelled clearly showed that kerry should win. no one > thought bush would win at that time and quite a number of astrologers said > that kerry would win. but what i had noted during that election time was the > saturn transit on the natal saturn of george bush jr which also happened to > be in the nakshatra of pushyami and also furthermore its nakshatra lord was > also saturn. that is exaclty the reason i felt i had strength to say that > george bush jr was going to win even though for god sakes it was a terrible > mistake in public opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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