Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Om Datta Guru Dear Friends, Is Shani the karaka for Salt. Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference for salt's karaka would be obliged. Kind regards Sunil John Mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sunil, According to Hart Defouw in his jyotish book, " Light on Life " , the Moon governs salty flavors. Therefore, the Moon signifies salt. JR , " suniljohn_2002 " <suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Friends, > Is Shani the karaka for Salt. > Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference for > salt's karaka would be obliged. > > Kind regards > Sunil John > Mumbai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Om Datta Guru John, Does Hart Defouw give a classical reference for this by any chance. Maybe we can check with those who have a diet problem with salt if their moon is afflicted in their charts then Kind regards Sunil , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > Sunil, > > According to Hart Defouw in his jyotish book, " Light on Life " , the > Moon governs salty flavors. Therefore, the Moon signifies salt. > > JR > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 " > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Friends, > > Is Shani the karaka for Salt. > > Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference > for > > salt's karaka would be obliged. > > > > Kind regards > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I have found some references which may be of use: Should the said amsha be of Saturn, the source of living will be: fruits, leaves, carrying loads, labor, base men, servants, sales of grain, and inferior grains (Khubhanya) (?) labor carrying loads, base deeds, sesame, salt, grains, vegetables, grass, firewood, water, etc.. Horasara ch 22 sl 10 11 Jataka parijata ch 15 sl 49. If the owner of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 10th bhava be Venus, the living will be derived from a place where gold, ruby, elephants or horses are produced; and by such means as trafficking in cattle, jaggery, cooked rice, salt, curdled milk and by the allurement of a female. Saravali ch 7 sl 7-13. PLANET'S RULERSHIPS: The Sun rules snakes, wool, hills, gold, weapons, poison, fire, medicines, kings. Aryas (or foreigners in general), river banks, forest, wood and Mantras. The Moon indicates poets, flowers, eatables, beads, silver, conch, salt, water, arrow, robes, ornaments, females, ghee, sesamum, oil and sleep. Mars rules blood, copper, army, red cloth. Mercury minerals, earth, king, destruction, swooning, bile and thieves. Mercury rules Veda, writing, sculpture, medicines, expertise, ministership, speech, jokes, birds, couples, fame, Vanaspathi (i.e. a large forest tree Saravali ch 33 sl 66-80. If Aries or many of its divisions be in the 10th, one will live through gardens, intelligence, service, agriculture, trading in juices (Rasa has other meanings like liquor, poison, mercury, mineral/metallic salt, etc.) or be an envoy. Satyajatakam ch 2 7 Significations: The Moon represents white color, calmness, watery nature, poets, strong houses, feminine qualities, womanliness, white trees, trees having milk in them, rope, chain (Pipal etc.), silver, sweet substances, white silk, cloth, water, lilies, conch, aquatic creatures, salt, cucumber and plantain trees, bronze, brass, trees growing in watery places, ornaments worn on head and by youngsters, rice and wheat. Satyajatakam ch 3 sl 12 The Sun: If the Sun be the karaka and is strongly placed in the 10th house, the native will be in government service. If Jupiter aspects such Sun, he will be employed in a temple. If the Sun be aspected by Saturn, he will do some lowly job (neechavritti). If the Sun be aspected or conjoined with Rahu, he will be serving a Mlechha (a foreigner other than Hindu). If the Sun be combined with Venus, he will serve a queen. If it be with Mars, he will be some officer in the village. If it be with the Moon, he will be working in the salt department. If it be with Mercury, he may be serving in the judiciary. - suniljohn_2002 Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:31 AM Re: Salt Karaka - Shani ? Om Datta Guru John, Does Hart Defouw give a classical reference for this by any chance. Maybe we can check with those who have a diet problem with salt if their moon is afflicted in their charts then Kind regards Sunil , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > Sunil, > > According to Hart Defouw in his jyotish book, " Light on Life " , the > Moon governs salty flavors. Therefore, the Moon signifies salt. > > JR > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 " > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Friends, > > Is Shani the karaka for Salt. > > Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference > for > > salt's karaka would be obliged. > > > > Kind regards > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear Sunil, NamasteHere are some thoughts on Salt. There are many considerations here and salt embodies many different things so we have to establish what aspect of its use to accordingly place it, >Element - Salt would embody the earth element, 'Salt Rock' - SW direction according to Vastu>Planet - Salt is a Crystal which is ruled by Moon. >Property - Moon is Jala Tattva, so salty water would best be used in NE as water rules NE direction according to Vastu. This fits in perfectly with Maharishi Parashara proposing in BPHS 3.34 as to the reason why Salty water is ruled by Chandra. My view is that some things have an inherent property or constitution, but changes the way one uses it.Looking forward to more discusussion on this.Best WishesBipin 2008/8/9 suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 Om Datta GuruDear Hari,Thanks for ur post, does all chemicals come under Venus ?Warm RegardsSJsohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi wrote: >> |om|> Dear Sir, namaste> > Salt (Sodium Chloride) is a chemical and the karaka for chemicals is Shukra> (Venus).> > best regards> Hari> > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002wrote:> > > Om Datta Guru> > Dear Friends,> > Is Shani the karaka for Salt.> > Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference for > > salt's karaka would be obliged.> >> > Kind regards> > Sunil John> > Mumbai> > .> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 OM Datta Guru Dear Marg, Bang on, thanks for the hardwork. Saravali & Satyajatakam says it clearly that it is Moon best wishes Sunil , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > I have found some references which may be of use: > Should the said amsha be of Saturn, the source of living will be: fruits, leaves, carrying loads, labor, base men, servants, sales of grain, and inferior grains (Khubhanya) (?) labor carrying loads, base deeds, sesame, salt, grains, vegetables, grass, firewood, water, etc.. Horasara ch 22 sl 10 11 > > Jataka parijata ch 15 sl 49. If the owner of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 10th bhava be Venus, the living will be derived from a place where gold, ruby, elephants or horses are produced; and by such means as trafficking in cattle, jaggery, cooked rice, salt, curdled milk and by the allurement of a female. > > Saravali ch 7 sl 7-13. PLANET'S RULERSHIPS: The Sun rules snakes, wool, hills, gold, weapons, poison, fire, medicines, kings. Aryas (or foreigners in general), river banks, forest, wood and Mantras. The Moon indicates poets, flowers, eatables, beads, silver, conch, salt, water, arrow, robes, ornaments, females, ghee, sesamum, oil and sleep. Mars rules blood, copper, army, red cloth. Mercury minerals, earth, king, destruction, swooning, bile and thieves. Mercury rules Veda, writing, sculpture, medicines, expertise, ministership, speech, jokes, birds, couples, fame, Vanaspathi (i.e. a large forest tree > > Saravali ch 33 sl 66-80. If Aries or many of its divisions be in the 10th, one will live through gardens, intelligence, service, agriculture, trading in juices (Rasa has other meanings like liquor, poison, mercury, mineral/metallic salt, etc.) or be an envoy. > > Satyajatakam ch 2 7 Significations: The Moon represents white color, calmness, watery nature, poets, strong houses, feminine qualities, womanliness, white trees, trees having milk in them, rope, chain (Pipal etc.), silver, sweet substances, white silk, cloth, water, lilies, conch, aquatic creatures, salt, cucumber and plantain trees, bronze, brass, trees growing in watery places, ornaments worn on head and by youngsters, rice and wheat. > > Satyajatakam ch 3 sl 12 The Sun: If the Sun be the karaka and is strongly placed in the 10th house, the native will be in government service. If Jupiter aspects such Sun, he will be employed in a temple. If the Sun be aspected by Saturn, he will do some lowly job (neechavritti). If the Sun be aspected or conjoined with Rahu, he will be serving a Mlechha (a foreigner other than Hindu). If the Sun be combined with Venus, he will serve a queen. If it be with Mars, he will be some officer in the village. If it be with the Moon, he will be working in the salt department. If it be with Mercury, he may be serving in the judiciary. > - > suniljohn_2002 > > Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:31 AM > Re: Salt Karaka - Shani ? > > > Om Datta Guru > John, > Does Hart Defouw give a classical reference for this by any chance. > > Maybe we can check with those who have a diet problem with salt if their > moon is afflicted in their charts then > > Kind regards > Sunil > > , " John " jr_esq@ wrote: > > > > Sunil, > > > > According to Hart Defouw in his jyotish book, " Light on Life " , the > > Moon governs salty flavors. Therefore, the Moon signifies salt. > > > > JR > > > > > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 " > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Friends, > > > Is Shani the karaka for Salt. > > > Trying to work on something if someone has some classical reference > > for > > > salt's karaka would be obliged. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sunil John > > > Mumbai > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveNamaste EveryoneNow that we have established the karaka for salty, could we explore the allocation of planets to the other tastes. According to Ayurveda we have 6 tastes Sweet - JuSour - VeSalty - MoPungent - SunBitter - ?? must be Sani ruling alchoholic drinks as beer is bitterAstrigent - ?? - Jack Fruit is astrigent and ruled by Rahu I have a bit of a dilemma allocating planets to tastes. Could some knowledgeable on Ayurveda and Jyotish please reconcile the six tastes to those proposed by Parashara in in 3:34 where he lists tastes from the Sun onwards as Pungent, Saline, Bitter, Mixed, Sweet, Aciduous and Astrigent. Thanks in advance.Best WishesBipin2008/8/9 Bipin Prag <bipinprag Om Namo Bhagavate Param GuraveDear Gordan, NamasteIm not too sure about Mercury being a good candidate for Salt, well let me rephrase, Mercury may indicate the negative quality of salt. Let me explain. According to Ayurveda, salt stimulates Kapha and Pitta and weakens Vata. The signs that embody vata are >Gemini (Ruler, Me)>Virgo (Ruler + Air Element, Me)>Libra (Air Element - Me) >Capricorn (Earth Element - odd one out)>Aquarius (Air Element, Me)With the exception of Capricorn, all the other signs embodying vata have some connection to Mercury, which weakens overall, so I think it would be correct to say that Mercury is only a good candidate to represent the weakening nature of salt. Im not sure if im on the right track with this and look to others for further guidance in my reasoning.Best WishesBipin2008/8/9 <GWBrennan Dear Sunil, If all chemicals are ruled by Venus then basically everything is ruled by Venus? What is there that is not a chemical? The Venus argument does not seem to work - or it needs more work. Salt covers a range of things. Many substances are included in the concept of 'salt'. 'The salt of the earth' is a well known expression. Salt is something essential and to do with earth, so Mercury, who governs mixed tastes, seems to be important here. The taste the Moon likes is salt, but of course it would if it is related to Mercury. Venus governs water and water carries the flavour, or the particles of earth, just as the sea carries the salt. Saturn's taste is bitter, but salt is not really bitter at all. It is kind of desirable and essential to life, so I think Mercury is a good candidate here. Sorry I don't have any classical sources for salt. Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaParashara in in 3:34 where he lists tastes from the Sun onwards as Pungent, Saline, Bitter, Mixed, Sweet, Aciduous and Astrigent.Thanks in advance.Best WishesBipinfrom the Sun onwards:Pungent - Sun, Saline- Moon, Bitter - Mars, Mixed - Mercury, Sweet - Jupiter, Acidic - Venus and Astringent - Saturn.Note the order of the planets according to days of the week.love,Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 well moon does rule salty taste as in foods. it could be the karaka as well. however when describing tastes (as in herbs and food) moon def. rules salty. __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 yeah thanks marg that was awesome. sincerely, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Om Namo Bhagavate Param GuraveDear Swee, Hare KrishnaIm just sharing my realisation here and consolidating my thoughts.Saline confused me for clear water and I never thought of it as salty (which is obvious). Saline is actually " a liquid with salt concentrate content to match the human body " so this clears that up. I solved my other mystery of 6 tastes according to ayurveda vs 7 according to Parashara. Its amazing how one can overlook the obvious. What is so special about Jyotish, Ayurveda and Vastu, is that they all perfect sciences, each corroborating and overlapping each other without any ambiguity. Parashara also only talks about 6 tastes, with the 7th being mixed. This is a classic case where one cant just rely on only one science as the others are just as important in bringing things into context. Including a mixed taste and allocating planets makes this complete. Best WishesBipin2008/8/9 Swee Chan <swee Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare Krishna Parashara in in 3:34 where he lists tastes from the Sun onwards as Pungent, Saline, Bitter, Mixed, Sweet, Aciduous and Astrigent.Thanks in advance.Best WishesBipin from the Sun onwards: Pungent - Sun, Saline- Moon, Bitter - Mars, Mixed - Mercury, Sweet - Jupiter, Aci dic - Venus and Astringent - Saturn.Note the order of the planets according to days of the week.love,Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear Swee, NamasteThanks for reading this up. Now you really got me curious on use with Saptamsa - could you please expand on this with an exampleBest Wishes Bipin2008/8/11 Swee Chan <swee Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,NamasteThe real discussion is in the second volume on tastes and rasas, and the last volume gives the actual description of vayu, pitta, kapha type diseases and their remedies. BTW, anyone reading this who's interested in Mercury (quicksilver) and it's prep, it's in the Caraka Samhita as well.I should think BPHS's reference is best used in relation to the rasas with Saptamsa. love,SweeOn 11 Aug 2008, at 10:43, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Param Gurave Dear Swee, Hare KrishnaAll I recorded at the workshop I attended was the section and Samhita, the exact sloka was not given. Im considering ordering this Charaka Samhita for my use. Best Wishes Bipin2008/8/11 Swee Chan <swee Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaPlease give the exact reference as I have my books here with me. I looked up the section from Chikitsa and the sutras thus far, talks about the physician. Perhaps it is in another volume? I have found discussions between Agnivesa and Bhagavan Atri in a latter more to do with rasas and tattvas. Will look up more when I find some more time. love,SweeOn 10 Aug 2008, at 15:02, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Param GuraveDear Sunil, NamasteCharaka Samhita from my limited knowledge is one of the best authorative texts on Ayurveda. Looking back at my notes, the section entitled Chikitsa which covers holistic medicine is a good place to discover information on the tastes. In fact, if memory serves me correct, each taste is made up of two elements, so this could help linking to planets. Please do share your findings on this to consolidate our understandingBest WishesBipin2008/8/10 suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 Om Datta Guru Dear Bipin,> Im not sure if im on the right track with this and look to others for> further guidance in my reasoning.I think you are on the right track and wonder why u are saying its wrong. I think Mercury has something to do with salt (mixed - Mer) but what exactly i am not able to pin down though ur mail borders on that. I am going to take this salt study a bit seriously and at present i only have Frawleys Ayurvedic Astrolgy, is there any other book or anyone can recommend for Ayurveda & Astrology combined.re the signs that u posted (Ge, Vi) I will make a fresh post for it Thanks for ur mail Bipin, it is most appreciatedbest wishesSunilsohamsa , " Bipin Prag " <bipinprag wrote: >> Om Namo Bhagavate Param Gurave> > Dear Gordan, Namaste> > Im not too sure about Mercury being a good candidate for Salt, well let me> rephrase, Mercury may indicate the negative quality of salt. Let me > explain.> > According to Ayurveda, salt stimulates Kapha and Pitta and weakens Vata.> The signs that embody vata are> > >Gemini (Ruler, Me)> > >Virgo (Ruler + Air Element, Me)> > >Libra (Air Element - Me)> > >Capricorn (Earth Element - odd one out)> > >Aquarius (Air Element, Me) > > With the exception of Capricorn, all the other signs embodying vata have> some connection to Mercury, which weakens overall, so I think it would be> correct to say that Mercury is only a good candidate to represent the > weakening nature of salt.> > Im not sure if im on the right track with this and look to others for> further guidance in my reasoning.> > Best Wishes > > Bipin> > 2008/8/9 GWBrennan > > Dear Sunil,> >> > If all chemicals are ruled by Venus then basically everything is ruled by > > Venus? What is there that is not a chemical? The Venus argument does not> > seem to work - or it needs more work.> >> > Salt covers a range of things. Many substances are included in the concept > > of 'salt'. 'The salt of the earth' is a well known expression. Salt is> > something essential and to do with earth, so Mercury, who governs mixed> > tastes, seems to be important here. The taste the Moon likes is salt, but > > of course it would if it is related to Mercury. Venus governs water and> > water carries the flavour, or the particles of earth, just as the sea> > carries the salt. Saturn's taste is bitter, but salt is not really bitter > > at all. It i s kind of desirable and essential to life, so I think Mercury> > is a good candidate here.> >> > Sorry I don't have any classical sources for salt.> > > > Regards> >> > Gordon> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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