Rasi chart and degrees of freedom (Predicting divinity...)

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Namaste Saaji,

 

> Thought of answering this question. The use of Navamsa chart along

> with Rasi was there atleast from the period of the great Varahamihira

> while no other text which I read, except BPHS give the methods you

> talk about.

 

If navamsa can be seen as a chart, the question is why not dasamsa?

 

Vijaydas Pradeep and Satish are suggesting that even navamsa is not to

be used as a " chart " . They claim that using amsas as " charts " is " a

modern invention " . I question that.

 

Every traditional astrologer I saw in south India makes " raasi

chakram " and " navaamsa chakram " without fail.

 

> Like Satya Sai ji's, my experience also same. In some cases I saw the

> profession clearly shown with Dasamsa while in some cases Dasamsa was

> not giving a straight solution but it was evident in Rasi chart. For

> example you have my chart, what profession does D10 give? I am a Cost

> Accountant which is more seen with Sun-Mer in the 4th/10th viz

> Lagna/Moon.

 

Well, you are saying that dasamsa is showing profession clearly in

some cases. In the cases where it is not and you have to use rasi, are

you sure that dasamsa lagna is correct?

 

For example, do you know for sure that your dasamsa lagna is Cp and

not Sg, with Sun in 10th in Virgo, aspected by Mercury?

 

> BTW, I respect your logic of giving more importance to the teachings

> of Maharshi. But at the same time, it pains me when you simply reject

> Varahamihira or Satyacharya for want of " logic " and at the same time

> promote many other research which are not from Maharshis.

 

I do not reject Varahamihira. But I see that his teachings capture

only a small portion of Parasara's teachings and I value Parasara's

teachings more.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, " Saaji Bhaskaran " <saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha ji,

>

> <<<

> > The followup question is: Do you know that nobody used navamsa as a

> > chart before the date of this " invention " ? After all, navamsa is

> also

> > a divisional chart. If you disagree with using dasamsa as a chart,

> > then you should disagree with using navamsa as a chart too.

> >

> > In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not dasamsa, I would be

> > interested in hearing the logic.

> >

> >>>

>

>

> Thought of answering this question. The use of Navamsa chart along

> with Rasi was there atleast from the period of the great Varahamihira

> while no other text which I read, except BPHS give the methods you

> talk about. Shloka 6 of Brihat Jataka, " grahaamshakapaah " , the

> commentators quote this as Navamsa equals with Rasi chart.

> Why 'amsha' only Navamsa is, its Navamsa that Varahamihira gave more

> importance in the same shloka not any other amsas.

>

> There is another shloka " balayogaal phalamamsakarkshayoh " also

> showing the same.

>

> In Brihat Jataka(and other classics too), its navamsa that gains

> equal importance with Rasi. There are many examples. In BPHS also its

> given importance while Maharshi said to look into various things from

> the divisions as you mentioned.

>

> Like Satya Sai ji's, my experience also same. In some cases I saw the

> profession clearly shown with Dasamsa while in some cases Dasamsa was

> not giving a straight solution but it was evident in Rasi chart. For

> example you have my chart, what profession does D10 give? I am a Cost

> Accountant which is more seen with Sun-Mer in the 4th/10th viz

> Lagna/Moon.

>

> BTW, I respect your logic of giving more importance to the teachings

> of Maharshi. But at the same time, it pains me when you simply reject

> Varahamihira or Satyacharya for want of " logic " and at the same time

> promote many other research which are not from Maharshis.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

> , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Satish,

> >

> > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts. He

> > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts is

> > > a modern invention and jury is still out on this one.

> >

> > This is the second time here that I am seeing the phrase " a modern

> > invention " applied to divisional charts. Let me ask a very simple

> and

> > obvious question.

> >

> > If this is " a modern invention " , who made this invention and when

> > (atleast in what timeframe)?

> >

> > The followup question is: Do you know that nobody used navamsa as a

> > chart before the date of this " invention " ? After all, navamsa is

> also

> > a divisional chart. If you disagree with using dasamsa as a chart,

> > then you should disagree with using navamsa as a chart too.

> >

> > In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not dasamsa, I would be

> > interested in hearing the logic.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

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> >

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts. He

> > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts is

> > > a modern invention and jury is still out on this one.

> > > People have pointed to one verse to say parashar

> > > sanctionbs divisional charts. But the same shloka can

> > > be interpreted to mean see the division in Rashi

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > Vijaydas is wrting a paper on this. Members may look

> > > in the archives of last year to find the discussion.

> > > There is no explicit sanction to use divisions as

> > > separate charts. This has added the most confusion to

> > > jyotish and it basically a tool to explain away KNOWN

> > > things. As with diviosional charts every planet

> > > becomes a candidate to confer result of each and every

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > >

> > > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple

> > > > and our haste and

> > > > > eagerness in answering all questions,will result

> > > > in failure to see

> > > > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering

> > > > to understand the

> > > > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due

> > > > course.

> > > >

> > > > The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart are

> > > > " simple " or one needs to " tread slowly " . The issue

> > > > is whether there is enough depth and degrees of

> > > > freedom in rasi and navamsa charts. The issue is

> > > > that lagna and all planets remain in the same

> > > > positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14 minutes

> > > > on average. We have cases of twins and triplets born

> > > > minutes apart, who share the same rasi and navamsa

> > > > charts but have totally different personalities and

> > > > lives. Even if you learn the interpretation of rasi

> > > > and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100 lives,

> > > > the fact remains that they do not have enough

> > > > degrees of freedom.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi chart,

> > > > which remains constant for 2 hours. From the point

> > > > of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain silly.

> > > >

> > > > One can see whatever one wants to see in a cloud.

> > > > One may see a house in a cloud on one occasion and

> > > > may see a tree in the very same cloud on another

> > > > occasion. But that is an art then and not a science.

> > > > If an astrologer with good intuition has the ability

> > > > to see two or three totally different fortunes from

> > > > the same rasi chart for twins or triplets, I respect

> > > > the ability but it is an art and not a science.

> > > >

> > > > If astrology aspires to be a science, the only way

> > > > is to understand the teachings of Parasara correctly

> > > > and decipher the divisional charts etc.

> > > >

> > > > Divisional charts are not some " new thing " . They

> > > > were taught by Parasara about 5,000 years ago and

> > > > have been used by several traditions even during the

> > > > last few centuries when rasi chart based predictions

> > > > became common in the mainstream.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, if you believe that rasi chart is enough for

> > > > everything, please feel free to use that approach

> > > > and good luck!

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

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> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Narasimha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pasting again what Inderjit has mentioned -

> > > > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > > > done justice with

> > > > > >>Rashi?

> > > > > The reason for the repetition is mentioned below.

> > > > >

> > > > > In another mail you had mentioned that elder

> > > > astrologers where able

> > > > > to predict with the help of rashi and navamsha

> > > > alone by virtue of

> > > > > intution.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple

> > > > and our haste and

> > > > > eagerness in answering all questions,will result

> > > > in failure to see

> > > > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering

> > > > to understand the

> > > > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due

> > > > course.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not intution or pure luck that helped those

> > > > simple souls of

> > > > > yesteryears to predict.Deep understanding ,to the

> > > > core about a

> > > > > bhavanatha and relevant karakas and ability in

> > > > measuring their

> > > > > strength and their vargamsha sambandhas, as

> > > > advised by the venerated

> > > > > sages and strictly abiding to those fundamentals,

> > > > were the reason.

> > > > >

> > > > > It takes many janmas of tapas to understand the

> > > > essence.I agree that

> > > > > in this era of techincal and gross logic we are

> > > > always looking for

> > > > > magical formulas.However my personal view is

> > > > Jyotisha Mahashastra is

> > > > > a HOLISTIC and a fully evolved science.We may

> > > > concentrate on our

> > > > > evolution as compared to modifying jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I respect your views and your contribution towards

> > > > Jyotish through

> > > > > the selfless software.May Lord bless you.

> > > > >

> > > > > However i have disagreement regarding your chart

> > > > analysis.As

> > > > > K.N.Raoji says - Concentrate on dasha and

> > > > antardasha alone for many

> > > > > years.Understanding Vimshothari alone will take a

> > > > janma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha

> > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Inder Jit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa

> > > > charts enable us to

> > > > > get a good

> > > > > > > idea of how much spiritual progress one makes

> > > > and when. According

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual

> > > > progress.>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > > > done justice with

> > > > > Rashi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Easy easy - I did mention rasi also above. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi chart is like the master projection of the

> > > > plans of all the

> > > > > storeys in a sixteen storey building onto the

> > > > ground floor. Of

> > > > > course, the projection of each storey is contained

> > > > in it, but they

> > > > > are all mixed up. Does an affliction to the 4th

> > > > house show a problem

> > > > > to mother, happiness, vehicles, education, heart,

> > > > residence, wife's

> > > > > career, younger brother's wealth or son's losses?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Each divisional chart is like the projection of

> > > > the plan of a

> > > > > single storey in the building.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting

> > > > Mantra is Spritual?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :-) Why are you asking me and why are you

> > > > bringing up homa?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Spiritual means a clear understanding of the

> > > > *essence* of Veda and

> > > > > Upanishads and imbibing it in one's thoughts and

> > > > actions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All religions, rituals and sadhanas are

> > > > different paths to this.

> > > > > One may make spiritual progress through recital of

> > > > a mantra, one may

> > > > > make it through homa/havan, one may make it

> > > > through devotion and

> > > > > surrender to a deity, one may make it through just

> > > > contemplation and

> > > > > knowledge, one may make it through service to

> > > > others with discipline

> > > > > and devotion, one may make it through hatha yoga,

> > > > and so on. There

> > > > > are many paths. Also, spiritual progress is not

> > > > restricted to a

> > > > > specific religion. There have been people from

> > > > many regions of the

> > > > > world and many religions, who demonstrated a clear

> > > > understanding the

> > > > > essence of Veda and Upanishads in their actions

> > > > (though they may have

> > > > > never read those scriptures).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Todays spiritual is more like a blind man

> > > > leading to the groups

> > > > > of blind

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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