Rasi chart and degrees of freedom (Predicting divinity...)

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Namaste,

 

Well, not just Dr BV Raman, but most traditional astrologers use

navamsa as a chart.

 

As far as I know, it is an age old practice to use navamsa as a chart.

Since you claimed that this is " a modern invention " , I am asking you

to tell us who *invented* this and when. You did not answer me.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> I am not suggesting to use navansha as a divisional

> chart at all. It is an amsha and not a chrt. yes, I am

> aware that BV Raman has alluded to using it, may be he

> used it and many may have used it as well. Does it

> mean it has Parashar sanction?

>

>

> Satish

> --- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> > Namaste Satish,

> >

> > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts.

> > He

> > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts

> > is

> > > a modern invention and jury is still out on this

> > one.

> >

> > This is the second time here that I am seeing the

> > phrase " a modern

> > invention " applied to divisional charts. Let me ask

> > a very simple and

> > obvious question.

> >

> > If this is " a modern invention " , who made this

> > invention and when

> > (atleast in what timeframe)?

> >

> > The followup question is: Do you know that nobody

> > used navamsa as a

> > chart before the date of this " invention " ? After

> > all, navamsa is also

> > a divisional chart. If you disagree with using

> > dasamsa as a chart,

> > then you should disagree with using navamsa as a

> > chart too.

> >

> > In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not

> > dasamsa, I would be

> > interested in hearing the logic.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

>

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> >

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

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> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

>

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts.

> > He

> > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts

> > is

> > > a modern invention and jury is still out on this

> > one.

> > > People have pointed to one verse to say parashar

> > > sanctionbs divisional charts. But the same shloka

> > can

> > > be interpreted to mean see the division in Rashi

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > Vijaydas is wrting a paper on this. Members may

> > look

> > > in the archives of last year to find the

> > discussion.

> > > There is no explicit sanction to use divisions as

> > > separate charts. This has added the most confusion

> > to

> > > jyotish and it basically a tool to explain away

> > KNOWN

> > > things. As with diviosional charts every planet

> > > becomes a candidate to confer result of each and

> > every

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > >

> > > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are

> > simple

> > > > and our haste and

> > > > > eagerness in answering all questions,will

> > result

> > > > in failure to see

> > > > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and

> > persevering

> > > > to understand the

> > > > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the

> > due

> > > > course.

> > > >

> > > > The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart are

> > > > " simple " or one needs to " tread slowly " . The

> > issue

> > > > is whether there is enough depth and degrees of

> > > > freedom in rasi and navamsa charts. The issue is

> > > > that lagna and all planets remain in the same

> > > > positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14

> > minutes

> > > > on average. We have cases of twins and triplets

> > born

> > > > minutes apart, who share the same rasi and

> > navamsa

> > > > charts but have totally different personalities

> > and

> > > > lives. Even if you learn the interpretation of

> > rasi

> > > > and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100

> > lives,

> > > > the fact remains that they do not have enough

> > > > degrees of freedom.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi

> > chart,

> > > > which remains constant for 2 hours. From the

> > point

> > > > of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain

> > silly.

> > > >

> > > > One can see whatever one wants to see in a

> > cloud.

> > > > One may see a house in a cloud on one occasion

> > and

> > > > may see a tree in the very same cloud on another

> > > > occasion. But that is an art then and not a

> > science.

> > > > If an astrologer with good intuition has the

> > ability

> > > > to see two or three totally different fortunes

> > from

> > > > the same rasi chart for twins or triplets, I

> > respect

> > > > the ability but it is an art and not a science.

> > > >

> > > > If astrology aspires to be a science, the only

> > way

> > > > is to understand the teachings of Parasara

> > correctly

> > > > and decipher the divisional charts etc.

> > > >

> > > > Divisional charts are not some " new thing " . They

> > > > were taught by Parasara about 5,000 years ago

> > and

> > > > have been used by several traditions even during

> > the

> > > > last few centuries when rasi chart based

> > predictions

> > > > became common in the mainstream.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, if you believe that rasi chart is enough

> > for

> > > > everything, please feel free to use that

> > approach

> > > > and good luck!

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > >

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Narasimha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pasting again what Inderjit has mentioned

> > -

> > > > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > > > done justice with

> > > > > >>Rashi?

> > > > > The reason for the repetition is mentioned

> > below.

> > > > >

> > > > > In another mail you had mentioned that elder

> > > > astrologers where able

> > > > > to predict with the help of rashi and navamsha

> > > > alone by virtue of

> > > > > intution.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are

> > simple

> > > > and our haste and

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

There is no date for this invention. Most astrologers

I knew never used anything but rashi chart and amsha

strength. Whether traditioanl astrologers in some

parts of India used it or not I have only heard of it.

 

I would say that using divisions as charts has

exploded in the past 20 years or so. These days it has

been taken to such a height that any neophyte in

jyotish who has read a few books and internet articles

is taking about 10th house in D-10 for career and so

on.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

 

> Namaste,

>

> Well, not just Dr BV Raman, but most traditional

> astrologers use

> navamsa as a chart.

>

> As far as I know, it is an age old practice to use

> navamsa as a chart.

> Since you claimed that this is " a modern invention " ,

> I am asking you

> to tell us who *invented* this and when. You did not

> answer me.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

 

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

>

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

 

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Narasimha,

> >

> > I am not suggesting to use navansha as a

> divisional

> > chart at all. It is an amsha and not a chrt. yes,

> I am

> > aware that BV Raman has alluded to using it, may

> be he

> > used it and many may have used it as well. Does it

> > mean it has Parashar sanction?

> >

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Satish,

> > >

> > > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional

> charts.

> > > He

> > > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional

> charts

> > > is

> > > > a modern invention and jury is still out on

> this

> > > one.

> > >

> > > This is the second time here that I am seeing

> the

> > > phrase " a modern

> > > invention " applied to divisional charts. Let me

> ask

> > > a very simple and

> > > obvious question.

> > >

> > > If this is " a modern invention " , who made this

> > > invention and when

> > > (atleast in what timeframe)?

> > >

> > > The followup question is: Do you know that

> nobody

> > > used navamsa as a

> > > chart before the date of this " invention " ? After

> > > all, navamsa is also

> > > a divisional chart. If you disagree with using

> > > dasamsa as a chart,

> > > then you should disagree with using navamsa as a

> > > chart too.

> > >

> > > In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not

> > > dasamsa, I would be

> > > interested in hearing the logic.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> >

>

 

> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > >

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> >

>

 

> > >

> > > , SPK

> > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure parashar taught divisional

> charts.

> > > He

> > > > taught divisions. To use them as divisional

> charts

> > > is

> > > > a modern invention and jury is still out on

> this

> > > one.

> > > > People have pointed to one verse to say

> parashar

> > > > sanctionbs divisional charts. But the same

> shloka

> > > can

> > > > be interpreted to mean see the division in

> Rashi

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > Vijaydas is wrting a paper on this. Members

> may

> > > look

> > > > in the archives of last year to find the

> > > discussion.

> > > > There is no explicit sanction to use divisions

> as

> > > > separate charts. This has added the most

> confusion

> > > to

> > > > jyotish and it basically a tool to explain

> away

> > > KNOWN

> > > > things. As with diviosional charts every

> planet

> > > > becomes a candidate to confer result of each

> and

> > > every

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are

> > > simple

> > > > > and our haste and

> > > > > > eagerness in answering all questions,will

> > > result

> > > > > in failure to see

> > > > > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and

> > > persevering

> > > > > to understand the

> > > > > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in

> the

> > > due

> > > > > course.

> > > > >

> > > > > The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart

> are

> > > > > " simple " or one needs to " tread slowly " . The

> > > issue

> > > > > is whether there is enough depth and degrees

> of

> > > > > freedom in rasi and navamsa charts. The

> issue is

> > > > > that lagna and all planets remain in the

> same

> > > > > positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14

> > > minutes

> > > > > on average. We have cases of twins and

> triplets

> > > born

> > > > > minutes apart, who share the same rasi and

> > > navamsa

> > > > > charts but have totally different

> personalities

> > > and

> > > > > lives. Even if you learn the interpretation

> of

> > > rasi

> > > > > and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100

> > > lives,

> > > > > the fact remains that they do not have

> enough

> > > > > degrees of freedom.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi

> > > chart,

> > > > > which remains constant for 2 hours. From the

> > > point

> > > > > of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain

> > > silly.

> > > > >

>

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