Rasi chart and degrees of freedom (Predicting divinity...)

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Namaste Satish,

 

> I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts. He

> taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts is

> a modern invention and jury is still out on this one.

 

This is the second time here that I am seeing the phrase " a modern

invention " applied to divisional charts. Let me ask a very simple and

obvious question.

 

If this is " a modern invention " , who made this invention and when

(atleast in what timeframe)?

 

The followup question is: Do you know that nobody used navamsa as a

chart before the date of this " invention " ? After all, navamsa is also

a divisional chart. If you disagree with using dasamsa as a chart,

then you should disagree with using navamsa as a chart too.

 

In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not dasamsa, I would be

interested in hearing the logic.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts. He

> taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts is

> a modern invention and jury is still out on this one.

> People have pointed to one verse to say parashar

> sanctionbs divisional charts. But the same shloka can

> be interpreted to mean see the division in Rashi

> chart.

>

> Vijaydas is wrting a paper on this. Members may look

> in the archives of last year to find the discussion.

> There is no explicit sanction to use divisions as

> separate charts. This has added the most confusion to

> jyotish and it basically a tool to explain away KNOWN

> things. As with diviosional charts every planet

> becomes a candidate to confer result of each and every

> house.

>

> Satish

> --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> >

> > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple

> > and our haste and

> > > eagerness in answering all questions,will result

> > in failure to see

> > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering

> > to understand the

> > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due

> > course.

> >

> > The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart are

> > " simple " or one needs to " tread slowly " . The issue

> > is whether there is enough depth and degrees of

> > freedom in rasi and navamsa charts. The issue is

> > that lagna and all planets remain in the same

> > positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14 minutes

> > on average. We have cases of twins and triplets born

> > minutes apart, who share the same rasi and navamsa

> > charts but have totally different personalities and

> > lives. Even if you learn the interpretation of rasi

> > and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100 lives,

> > the fact remains that they do not have enough

> > degrees of freedom.

> >

> > In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi chart,

> > which remains constant for 2 hours. From the point

> > of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain silly.

> >

> > One can see whatever one wants to see in a cloud.

> > One may see a house in a cloud on one occasion and

> > may see a tree in the very same cloud on another

> > occasion. But that is an art then and not a science.

> > If an astrologer with good intuition has the ability

> > to see two or three totally different fortunes from

> > the same rasi chart for twins or triplets, I respect

> > the ability but it is an art and not a science.

> >

> > If astrology aspires to be a science, the only way

> > is to understand the teachings of Parasara correctly

> > and decipher the divisional charts etc.

> >

> > Divisional charts are not some " new thing " . They

> > were taught by Parasara about 5,000 years ago and

> > have been used by several traditions even during the

> > last few centuries when rasi chart based predictions

> > became common in the mainstream.

> >

> > Anyway, if you believe that rasi chart is enough for

> > everything, please feel free to use that approach

> > and good luck!

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

>

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> >

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

>

> >

> > ,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > I am pasting again what Inderjit has mentioned -

> > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > done justice with

> > > >>Rashi?

> > > The reason for the repetition is mentioned below.

> > >

> > > In another mail you had mentioned that elder

> > astrologers where able

> > > to predict with the help of rashi and navamsha

> > alone by virtue of

> > > intution.

> > >

> > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple

> > and our haste and

> > > eagerness in answering all questions,will result

> > in failure to see

> > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering

> > to understand the

> > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due

> > course.

> > >

> > > It is not intution or pure luck that helped those

> > simple souls of

> > > yesteryears to predict.Deep understanding ,to the

> > core about a

> > > bhavanatha and relevant karakas and ability in

> > measuring their

> > > strength and their vargamsha sambandhas, as

> > advised by the venerated

> > > sages and strictly abiding to those fundamentals,

> > were the reason.

> > >

> > > It takes many janmas of tapas to understand the

> > essence.I agree that

> > > in this era of techincal and gross logic we are

> > always looking for

> > > magical formulas.However my personal view is

> > Jyotisha Mahashastra is

> > > a HOLISTIC and a fully evolved science.We may

> > concentrate on our

> > > evolution as compared to modifying jyotish.

> > >

> > > I respect your views and your contribution towards

> > Jyotish through

> > > the selfless software.May Lord bless you.

> > >

> > > However i have disagreement regarding your chart

> > analysis.As

> > > K.N.Raoji says - Concentrate on dasha and

> > antardasha alone for many

> > > years.Understanding Vimshothari alone will take a

> > janma.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha

> > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Inder Jit ji,

> > > >

> > > > > <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa

> > charts enable us to

> > > get a good

> > > > > idea of how much spiritual progress one makes

> > and when. According

> > > to

> > > > > Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual

> > progress.>

> > > > >

> > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > done justice with

> > > Rashi?

> > > >

> > > > Easy easy - I did mention rasi also above. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Rasi chart is like the master projection of the

> > plans of all the

> > > storeys in a sixteen storey building onto the

> > ground floor. Of

> > > course, the projection of each storey is contained

> > in it, but they

> > > are all mixed up. Does an affliction to the 4th

> > house show a problem

> > > to mother, happiness, vehicles, education, heart,

> > residence, wife's

> > > career, younger brother's wealth or son's losses?

> > > >

> > > > Each divisional chart is like the projection of

> > the plan of a

> > > single storey in the building.

> > > >

> > > > > And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting

> > Mantra is Spritual?

> > > >

> > > > :-) Why are you asking me and why are you

> > bringing up homa?

> > > >

> > > > Spiritual means a clear understanding of the

> > *essence* of Veda and

> > > Upanishads and imbibing it in one's thoughts and

> > actions.

> > > >

> > > > All religions, rituals and sadhanas are

> > different paths to this.

> > > One may make spiritual progress through recital of

> > a mantra, one may

> > > make it through homa/havan, one may make it

> > through devotion and

> > > surrender to a deity, one may make it through just

> > contemplation and

> > > knowledge, one may make it through service to

> > others with discipline

> > > and devotion, one may make it through hatha yoga,

> > and so on. There

> > > are many paths. Also, spiritual progress is not

> > restricted to a

> > > specific religion. There have been people from

> > many regions of the

> > > world and many religions, who demonstrated a clear

> > understanding the

> > > essence of Veda and Upanishads in their actions

> > (though they may have

> > > never read those scriptures).

> > > >

> > > > > Todays spiritual is more like a blind man

> > leading to the groups

> > > of blind

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

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Namaste Narasimha,

 

I am not suggesting to use navansha as a divisional

chart at all. It is an amsha and not a chrt. yes, I am

aware that BV Raman has alluded to using it, may be he

used it and many may have used it as well. Does it

mean it has Parashar sanction?

 

 

Satish

--- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

 

> Namaste Satish,

>

> > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts.

> He

> > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts

> is

> > a modern invention and jury is still out on this

> one.

>

> This is the second time here that I am seeing the

> phrase " a modern

> invention " applied to divisional charts. Let me ask

> a very simple and

> obvious question.

>

> If this is " a modern invention " , who made this

> invention and when

> (atleast in what timeframe)?

>

> The followup question is: Do you know that nobody

> used navamsa as a

> chart before the date of this " invention " ? After

> all, navamsa is also

> a divisional chart. If you disagree with using

> dasamsa as a chart,

> then you should disagree with using navamsa as a

> chart too.

>

> In case you accept navamsa as a chart but not

> dasamsa, I would be

> interested in hearing the logic.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

 

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

>

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

 

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am not sure parashar taught divisional charts.

> He

> > taught divisions. To use them as divisional charts

> is

> > a modern invention and jury is still out on this

> one.

> > People have pointed to one verse to say parashar

> > sanctionbs divisional charts. But the same shloka

> can

> > be interpreted to mean see the division in Rashi

> > chart.

> >

> > Vijaydas is wrting a paper on this. Members may

> look

> > in the archives of last year to find the

> discussion.

> > There is no explicit sanction to use divisions as

> > separate charts. This has added the most confusion

> to

> > jyotish and it basically a tool to explain away

> KNOWN

> > things. As with diviosional charts every planet

> > becomes a candidate to confer result of each and

> every

> > house.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are

> simple

> > > and our haste and

> > > > eagerness in answering all questions,will

> result

> > > in failure to see

> > > > what is to be seen.Treading slowly and

> persevering

> > > to understand the

> > > > depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the

> due

> > > course.

> > >

> > > The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart are

> > > " simple " or one needs to " tread slowly " . The

> issue

> > > is whether there is enough depth and degrees of

> > > freedom in rasi and navamsa charts. The issue is

> > > that lagna and all planets remain in the same

> > > positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14

> minutes

> > > on average. We have cases of twins and triplets

> born

> > > minutes apart, who share the same rasi and

> navamsa

> > > charts but have totally different personalities

> and

> > > lives. Even if you learn the interpretation of

> rasi

> > > and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100

> lives,

> > > the fact remains that they do not have enough

> > > degrees of freedom.

> > >

> > > In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi

> chart,

> > > which remains constant for 2 hours. From the

> point

> > > of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain

> silly.

> > >

> > > One can see whatever one wants to see in a

> cloud.

> > > One may see a house in a cloud on one occasion

> and

> > > may see a tree in the very same cloud on another

> > > occasion. But that is an art then and not a

> science.

> > > If an astrologer with good intuition has the

> ability

> > > to see two or three totally different fortunes

> from

> > > the same rasi chart for twins or triplets, I

> respect

> > > the ability but it is an art and not a science.

> > >

> > > If astrology aspires to be a science, the only

> way

> > > is to understand the teachings of Parasara

> correctly

> > > and decipher the divisional charts etc.

> > >

> > > Divisional charts are not some " new thing " . They

> > > were taught by Parasara about 5,000 years ago

> and

> > > have been used by several traditions even during

> the

> > > last few centuries when rasi chart based

> predictions

> > > became common in the mainstream.

> > >

> > > Anyway, if you believe that rasi chart is enough

> for

> > > everything, please feel free to use that

> approach

> > > and good luck!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> >

>

 

> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > >

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> >

>

 

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > I am pasting again what Inderjit has mentioned

> -

> > > > > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you

> > > done justice with

> > > > >>Rashi?

> > > > The reason for the repetition is mentioned

> below.

> > > >

> > > > In another mail you had mentioned that elder

> > > astrologers where able

> > > > to predict with the help of rashi and navamsha

> > > alone by virtue of

> > > > intution.

> > > >

> > > > Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are

> simple

> > > and our haste and

>

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