Rasi chart and degrees of freedom (Predicting divinity...)

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Namaste Pradeep ji,

 

> Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple and our haste and

> eagerness in answering all questions,will result in failure to see

> what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering to understand the

> depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due course.

 

The issue is not that rasi and navamsa chart are " simple " or one needs to " tread

slowly " . The issue is whether there is enough depth and degrees of freedom in

rasi and navamsa charts. The issue is that lagna and all planets remain in the

same positions in rasi and navamsa charts for 14 minutes on average. We have

cases of twins and triplets born minutes apart, who share the same rasi and

navamsa charts but have totally different personalities and lives. Even if you

learn the interpretation of rasi and navamsa charts for 100 years or even 100

lives, the fact remains that they do not have enough degrees of freedom.

 

In fact, many old astrologers use only rasi chart, which remains constant for 2

hours. From the point of view of degrees of freedom, this is plain silly.

 

One can see whatever one wants to see in a cloud. One may see a house in a cloud

on one occasion and may see a tree in the very same cloud on another occasion.

But that is an art then and not a science. If an astrologer with good intuition

has the ability to see two or three totally different fortunes from the same

rasi chart for twins or triplets, I respect the ability but it is an art and not

a science.

 

If astrology aspires to be a science, the only way is to understand the

teachings of Parasara correctly and decipher the divisional charts etc.

 

Divisional charts are not some " new thing " . They were taught by Parasara about

5,000 years ago and have been used by several traditions even during the last

few centuries when rasi chart based predictions became common in the mainstream.

 

Anyway, if you believe that rasi chart is enough for everything, please feel

free to use that approach and good luck!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:

>

> Namaste Narasimha ji

>

> I am pasting again what Inderjit has mentioned -

> > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with

> >>Rashi?

> The reason for the repetition is mentioned below.

>

> In another mail you had mentioned that elder astrologers where able

> to predict with the help of rashi and navamsha alone by virtue of

> intution.

>

> Our asumption that rashi and navamsha are simple and our haste and

> eagerness in answering all questions,will result in failure to see

> what is to be seen.Treading slowly and persevering to understand the

> depth of rashi chakra can reveal all in the due course.

>

> It is not intution or pure luck that helped those simple souls of

> yesteryears to predict.Deep understanding ,to the core about a

> bhavanatha and relevant karakas and ability in measuring their

> strength and their vargamsha sambandhas, as advised by the venerated

> sages and strictly abiding to those fundamentals, were the reason.

>

> It takes many janmas of tapas to understand the essence.I agree that

> in this era of techincal and gross logic we are always looking for

> magical formulas.However my personal view is Jyotisha Mahashastra is

> a HOLISTIC and a fully evolved science.We may concentrate on our

> evolution as compared to modifying jyotish.

>

> I respect your views and your contribution towards Jyotish through

> the selfless software.May Lord bless you.

>

> However i have disagreement regarding your chart analysis.As

> K.N.Raoji says - Concentrate on dasha and antardasha alone for many

> years.Understanding Vimshothari alone will take a janma.

>

> Pradeep

>

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Inder Jit ji,

> >

> > > <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts enable us to

> get a good

> > > idea of how much spiritual progress one makes and when. According

> to

> > > Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual progress.>

> > >

> > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with

> Rashi?

> >

> > Easy easy - I did mention rasi also above. :-)

> >

> > Rasi chart is like the master projection of the plans of all the

> storeys in a sixteen storey building onto the ground floor. Of

> course, the projection of each storey is contained in it, but they

> are all mixed up. Does an affliction to the 4th house show a problem

> to mother, happiness, vehicles, education, heart, residence, wife's

> career, younger brother's wealth or son's losses?

> >

> > Each divisional chart is like the projection of the plan of a

> single storey in the building.

> >

> > > And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting Mantra is Spritual?

> >

> > :-) Why are you asking me and why are you bringing up homa?

> >

> > Spiritual means a clear understanding of the *essence* of Veda and

> Upanishads and imbibing it in one's thoughts and actions.

> >

> > All religions, rituals and sadhanas are different paths to this.

> One may make spiritual progress through recital of a mantra, one may

> make it through homa/havan, one may make it through devotion and

> surrender to a deity, one may make it through just contemplation and

> knowledge, one may make it through service to others with discipline

> and devotion, one may make it through hatha yoga, and so on. There

> are many paths. Also, spiritual progress is not restricted to a

> specific religion. There have been people from many regions of the

> world and many religions, who demonstrated a clear understanding the

> essence of Veda and Upanishads in their actions (though they may have

> never read those scriptures).

> >

> > > Todays spiritual is more like a blind man leading to the groups

> of blind

> > > persons.

> >

> > You may be right.

> >

> > Who leads who, who is attracted to whose words and who is

> antagonized by whose words is all a play of karmas and rinas.

> >

> > > <...

> > > him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special and that

> antardasa

> > > jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari dasa!>

> > >

> > > Have the experience your self and see if you could explain it,

> May God bless

> > > you with this.

> >

> > Thank you for the blessings.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> >

> > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narsimha,

> > >

> > > <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts enable us to

> get a good

> > > idea of how much spiritual progress one makes and when. According

> to

> > > Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual progress.>

> > >

> > > Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with

> Rashi?

> > >

> > > And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting Mantra is Spritual?

> > >

> > > Todays spiritual is more like a blind man leading to the groups

> of blind

> > > persons.

> > >

> > >

> > > <There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual

> events quite

> > > well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a Kundalini

> awakening and

> > > some mystical experiences in a specific one and half year period.

> Based on

> > > vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari antardasa, it seemed very very

> likely that he

> > > would. When I asked, he confirmed to me that I was correct. He

> locked

> > > himself in a room for a few days and started contemplating " who

> am I " . When

> > > he was lost and started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him

> and showed

> > > him some things. This gentleman is quite discreet and does not

> talk about

> > > his spiritual experiences to everyone. He revealed only to

> confirm my

> > > post-diction, after I specifically asked. The same gentleman met a

> > > disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same antardasa, who

> showed him

> > > some unbelievable miracles and induced some more mystical

> experiences in

> > > him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special and that

> antardasa

> > > jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari dasa!>

> > >

> > > Have the experience your self and see if you could explain it,

> May God bless

> > > you with this.

> > >

> > > <However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual

> progress in

> > > current life cannot be seen astrologically with any clarity or

> confidence. >

> > >

> > > Think properly you may find it ones to be optimist that no soul

> is fallen

> > > soul and every soul can progress beyond astrology.

> > >

> > > With best wishes,

> > >

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> >

> >