Predicting divinity -Please refrain from dragging my name

April 7, 2008

Namaste shri Bharath

>nor did you raise your voice against the wrong principles that Sri

>Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire astrological community.

I have always stood and will always stand by the fundamentals as

taught by Maharishis.You have all the right to take side with new

theories.

Once i have time i will complete the paper as promised.

May God bless you.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Satya, Sri Sreenivas, Sri Narasimha and other esteemed

members

>

> Given a human birth, each one gets a chance to Know the Truth.

However,

> people misplace the Truth as something else and keep seeking it.

Each one

> wants Moksha, but they do not realize it and seek it in misplaced

goals. The

> grahas that bind the individual, grasp the thinking of the

individuals to

> believe in misplaced goals, but a true seeker uses the power of the

same

> grahas to understand the Truth. If one studies the qualities of a

seeker as

> given in Vivekachoodamani, one can relate them to Grahas. But

Grahas cannot

> be the cause of Self Realization. Since Self Realization or Moksha

is

> knowing what you truly are and not a process of becoming.

>

> Therefore, try not to find divinity of a person (as if it is a

percentage),

> from the chart. Secondly, no astrologer can understand Sri Krishna,

Sri

> Ramana Maharishi, and so on. The Self Realized (Jeevan Muktas) are

not

> subjects of destiny, the destiny is only for their deha.

>

> Having said the above, Astrology does have a role to play in

Spirituality.

> Through a chart we can find out the binding thoughts, the

uncontrollable

> urges, and goal orientations, and we may guide the said individual

to

> overcome such tendencies.

> *

> To Sri Sreenivas*

> Though I respect the questions you ask Sri Narasimha now, but, I

deeply

> saddened that you did not raise any issue when Sri Sreenadh abused

an

> esteemed member on this forum nor did you raise your voice against

the wrong

> principles that Sri Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire

astrological

> community. I expect and hope for better openness and fairness from

you. Hope

> you do not mind my saying this. I dislike grouping of people as

then people

> tend to look after their respective groups and sadly knowledge goes

amiss.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi

> wrote:

>

> > Dear members,

> >

> > Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> > through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> > charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of

such

> > higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth time

> > itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> > ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

> > groups is another big question. This analysis fails another

feature

> > that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

> > background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga

exists

> > in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> > prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> > emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the

classics.

> > This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based

on

> > the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

> > Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

> > background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied to

> > give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the person;

> > that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

> >

> > Just one open question to members:

> > Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

> > Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy

Vivekananda,

> > Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an

astrological

> > prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

> > spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the

earth?

> > I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

> > based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members

know

> > of such cases, I would request them to present that information to

> > the public.

> >

> > I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis.

He

> > just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let

us

> > not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person.

If

> > anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

> > also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All Namaste

> > >

> > > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to

judge

> > the

> > > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

> > other

> > > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> > > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can

surely

> > be

> > > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get,

moreorless

> > > same results.

> > >

> > > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity,

> > may

> > > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

> > body

> > > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

> > ensure

> > > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > > certificate from another divine person is difficult to

understand.

> > > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> > accept,

> > > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult

> > to

> > > understand.

> > >

> > > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> > > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> > > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sir,

> > > >

> > > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

> > > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

> > dasa

> > > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> > > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> > lagna.

> > > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More

importantly,

> > he

> > > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from

Moon!).

> > > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

> > > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of

> > the

> > > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

> > > mystical experiences.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to

> > many

> > > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile

his

> > > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists

on

> > > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people

> > to

> > > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > > >

> > > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

> > Moon,

> > > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

> > is.

> > > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

> > dasa

> > > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

> > > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018

and

> > > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in

Leo.

> > > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical

demeanor,

> > > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> > especially

> > > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> > drigdasa

> > > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma

in

> > the

> > > society.

> > > >

> > > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> > > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine

subject.

> > > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

> > resist

> > > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

> > > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care,

love

> > > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

> > -

> > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

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> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------

> > -

> > > >

> > > > <%

40>,

> > " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and

a

> > > good guide to

> > > > > most of us in our life.

> > > > >

> > > > > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs

of

> > > him being

> > > > > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana

> > etc.

> > > > > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on

this

> > > side as well,

> > > > > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge,

> > experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take

> > time

> > > and reply

> > > > > now or later

> > > > >

> > > > > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> > > > >

> > > > > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his

vicious

> > > attack on Pt

> > > > > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me

for

> > > just asking

> > > > > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and

more

> > of

> > > hate

> > > > > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like

> > > members as I have

> > > > > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be

> > worth

> > > the risk,

> > > > > we need some peace after all.

> > > > > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2

> > > greats one who

> > > > > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed

himself

> > > great that

> > > > > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time

it

> > > went beyond

> > > > > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the

> > possible

> > > potential of

> > > > > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and

> > > forgive is

> > > > > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u

have

> > > cracked the

> > > > > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through

ur

> > > readings.

> > > > >

> > > > > BEst wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

latest

> > > messages.

> > > > > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically

on

> > > this data. I

> > > > > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> > some

> > > people on

> > > > > > this list and there may be some background to this that I

am

> > > unaware of.

> > > > > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a

few

> > > words on this

> > > > > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my

comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

> > may

> > > be very very

> > > > > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> > > derangement and

> > > > > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th

> > and

> > > 4th aspects

> > > > > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> > fiery

> > > sign (Leo).

> > > > > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

> > > short-tempered

> > > > > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-

30)

> > > also. D-30 is

> > > > > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-

> > > conscious plane and

> > > > > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that

> > lives

> > > within one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps

> > over

> > > the top.

> > > > > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> > > However, Jupiter

> > > > > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He

> > has

> > > rasi drishti

> > > > > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the

savior.

> > > Also, navamsa

> > > > > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors

give

> > > basic strength

> > > > > > to the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th

is

> > so

> > > terrible.

> > > > > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

in

> > > debility).

> > > > > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> > exchange

> > > between 9th

> > > > > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual

> > > progress. The

> > > > > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a

lagna

> > > owned by

> > > > > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing

in

> > > one's spiritual

> > > > > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what

> > words

> > > (padas) are

> > > > > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are

> > intangible,

> > > the words used

> > > > > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show

intangible

> > > matters, while

> > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> > > Arudha padas are

> > > > > > very important.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that

is

> > > good for

> > > > > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > spiritual

> > > evolution,

> > > > > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

> > lagna.

> > > That is

> > > > > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

> > > Chandra Mangala

> > > > > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of

> > > occult experiences

> > > > > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

> > > experiences and

> > > > > > visions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

> > see a

> > > mentally

> > > > > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge

> > and

> > > it is

> > > > > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I

am

> > > stating what I

> > > > > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want

to

> > > offer a couple

> > > > > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> > from

> > > me, I will

> > > > > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

> > lagna

> > > in Taurus,

> > > > > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa,

7th

> > > lord is in

> > > > > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > Fasting

> > > on Fridays and

> > > > > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day

> > before

> > > breaking the

> > > > > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in

> > lagna

> > > in D-24

> > > > > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart.

You

> > > will become a

> > > > > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is

a

> > > great virtue. As

> > > > > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast

> > and

> > > one lifetime

> > > > > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25

> > years

> > > back and spent

> > > > > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and

> > researching

> > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably

well,

> > I

> > > do know that

> > > > > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to

> > learn.

> > > I am not

> > > > > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I

marvel

> > at

> > > the mastery

> > > > > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show

> > some

> > > humility

> > > > > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> > less

> > > arrogant. You

> > > > > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you

> > develop

> > > true

> > > > > > humility.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share

of

> > > mystical

> > > > > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times

more

> > > progress and yet

> > > > > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and

keep

> > > your spiritual

> > > > > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the

public.

> > Do

> > > not go around

> > > > > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

> > > realize that

> > > > > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come

> > only

> > > when you

> > > > > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger

things

> > and

> > > please do

> > > > > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and

> > sadness

> > > are both

> > > > > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> > > people and idiots

> > > > > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her

> > forms.

> > > Love Her in

> > > > > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and

> > fill

> > > your heart

> > > > > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

> > > personality and not

> > > > > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > transiting

> > > on natal Mars

> > > > > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So

much

> > is

> > > expected from

> > > > > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment

of

> > > it!). I

> > > > > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot

nature,

> > > shine as a star

> > > > > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many

> > spiritual

> > > seekers. You

> > > > > > have it in you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual

experiences

> > and

> > > > > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt

> > generic

> > > comments on

> > > > > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does

not

> > > mean that the

> > > > > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > Brahman

> > > (field of

> > > > > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

> > > Maayaa) is infinite

> > > > > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone

> > access

> > > to some

> > > > > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access

> > to,

> > > She may do it

> > > > > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to

> > play

> > > and given the

> > > > > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play

> > their

> > > role without

> > > > > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the

> > stage

> > > calmly. Some

> > > > > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > seriously

> > > and think that

> > > > > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter

type

> > > have more

> > > > > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She

needs

> > > those types too

> > > > > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the

> > > latter type.

> > > > > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline

is

> > > that all the

> > > > > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because

> > of

> > > the role one

> > > > > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions

> > or

> > > other

> > > > > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she

> > has a

> > > role to play

> > > > > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > absolutely

> > > does not mean

> > > > > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

> > > correct. One may

> > > > > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other

aspects

> > of

> > > maayaa.

> > > > > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this

> > maayaa.

> > > Not everyone

> > > > > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters

of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he

> > reject

> > > them when/if

> > > > > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > his/her

> > > siddhis or

> > > > > > other so-called achievements.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > > entirety. They

> > > > > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are

> > > fully killed and

> > > > > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time,

> > even

> > > when walking

> > > > > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the

> > > entire field of

> > > > > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all

> > subjects.

> > > But, we

> > > > > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world.

We

> > > can, of course,

> > > > > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience

> > various

> > > kinds of

> > > > > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

> > > aspects of maayaa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > >

> >

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> > o

> > > mam>

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date of Birth

> > > > > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > > > > of the parameters required

> > > > > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > > > > due to.....

> > > > > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of

> > mind,

> > > > > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd

> > aspect.

> > > > > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > > > > 6th Lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any

> > good.

> > > > > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for

> > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children

too,

> > > > > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to

> > satisfy

> > > > > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from

> > the

> > > 9th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BHASKAR.

> > > >

April 8, 2008

Namaste Sri Pradeep

As always you have tried to show you stand by Maharishis and others do not

know a thing. Your such views are fundamentally incorrect and I have every

right to say so and I have proved it often in both sohamsa and

Vedic Astrology and jyotish groups.

As you know I refrain from commenting to you, so do not try to again open

your comments to me. I sent my comments to Sri Sreeram, and it is between me

and him.

Bharat

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:25 AM, vijayadas_pradeep <

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Namaste shri Bharath

>

> >nor did you raise your voice against the wrong principles that Sri

> >Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire astrological community.

>

> I have always stood and will always stand by the fundamentals as

> taught by Maharishis.You have all the right to take side with new

> theories.

>

> Once i have time i will complete the paper as promised.

>

> May God bless you.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Satya, Sri Sreenivas, Sri Narasimha and other esteemed

> members

> >

> > Given a human birth, each one gets a chance to Know the Truth.

> However,

> > people misplace the Truth as something else and keep seeking it.

> Each one

> > wants Moksha, but they do not realize it and seek it in misplaced

> goals. The

> > grahas that bind the individual, grasp the thinking of the

> individuals to

> > believe in misplaced goals, but a true seeker uses the power of the

> same

> > grahas to understand the Truth. If one studies the qualities of a

> seeker as

> > given in Vivekachoodamani, one can relate them to Grahas. But

> Grahas cannot

> > be the cause of Self Realization. Since Self Realization or Moksha

> is

> > knowing what you truly are and not a process of becoming.

> >

> > Therefore, try not to find divinity of a person (as if it is a

> percentage),

> > from the chart. Secondly, no astrologer can understand Sri Krishna,

> Sri

> > Ramana Maharishi, and so on. The Self Realized (Jeevan Muktas) are

> not

> > subjects of destiny, the destiny is only for their deha.

> >

> > Having said the above, Astrology does have a role to play in

> Spirituality.

> > Through a chart we can find out the binding thoughts, the

> uncontrollable

> > urges, and goal orientations, and we may guide the said individual

> to

> > overcome such tendencies.

> > *

> > To Sri Sreenivas*

> > Though I respect the questions you ask Sri Narasimha now, but, I

> deeply

> > saddened that you did not raise any issue when Sri Sreenadh abused

> an

> > esteemed member on this forum nor did you raise your voice against

> the wrong

> > principles that Sri Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire

> astrological

> > community. I expect and hope for better openness and fairness from

> you. Hope

> > you do not mind my saying this. I dislike grouping of people as

> then people

> > tend to look after their respective groups and sadly knowledge goes

> amiss.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> > > through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> > > charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of

> such

> > > higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth time

> > > itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> > > ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

> > > groups is another big question. This analysis fails another

> feature

> > > that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

> > > background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga

> exists

> > > in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> > > prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> > > emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the

> classics.

> > > This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based

> on

> > > the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

> > > Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

> > > background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied to

> > > give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the person;

> > > that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

> > >

> > > Just one open question to members:

> > > Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

> > > Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy

> Vivekananda,

> > > Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an

> astrological

> > > prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

> > > spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the

> earth?

> > > I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

> > > based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members

> know

> > > of such cases, I would request them to present that information to

> > > the public.

> > >

> > > I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis.

> He

> > > just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let

> us

> > > not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person.

> If

> > > anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

> > > also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > >

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All Namaste

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to

> judge

> > > the

> > > > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > > > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

> > > other

> > > > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> > > > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can

> surely

> > > be

> > > > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get,

> moreorless

> > > > same results.

> > > >

> > > > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity,

> > > may

> > > > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

> > > body

> > > > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

> > > ensure

> > > > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > > > certificate from another divine person is difficult to

> understand.

> > > > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> > > accept,

> > > > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult

> > > to

> > > > understand.

> > > >

> > > > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> > > > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> > > > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > > > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

> > > > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

> > > dasa

> > > > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> > > > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> > > lagna.

> > > > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More

> importantly,

> > > he

> > > > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from

> Moon!).

> > > > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

> > > > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of

> > > the

> > > > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

> > > > mystical experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to

> > > many

> > > > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile

> his

> > > > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists

> on

> > > > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people

> > > to

> > > > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

> > > Moon,

> > > > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

> > > is.

> > > > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

> > > dasa

> > > > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

> > > > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018

> and

> > > > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in

> Leo.

> > > > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical

> demeanor,

> > > > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> > > especially

> > > > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> > > drigdasa

> > > > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma

> in

> > > the

> > > > society.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> > > > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine

> subject.

> > > > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

> > > resist

> > > > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

> > > > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care,

> love

> > > > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -------------------------

> > > -

> > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > -------------------------

> > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and

> a

> > > > good guide to

> > > > > > most of us in our life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs

> of

> > > > him being

> > > > > > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana

> > > etc.

> > > > > > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on

> this

> > > > side as well,

> > > > > > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge,

> > > experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take

> > > time

> > > > and reply

> > > > > > now or later

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his

> vicious

> > > > attack on Pt

> > > > > > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me

> for

> > > > just asking

> > > > > > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and

> more

> > > of

> > > > hate

> > > > > > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like

> > > > members as I have

> > > > > > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be

> > > worth

> > > > the risk,

> > > > > > we need some peace after all.

> > > > > > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2

> > > > greats one who

> > > > > > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed

> himself

> > > > great that

> > > > > > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time

> it

> > > > went beyond

> > > > > > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the

> > > possible

> > > > potential of

> > > > > > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and

> > > > forgive is

> > > > > > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u

> have

> > > > cracked the

> > > > > > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through

> ur

> > > > readings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BEst wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> latest

> > > > messages.

> > > > > > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

> data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically

> on

> > > > this data. I

> > > > > > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> > > some

> > > > people on

> > > > > > > this list and there may be some background to this that I

> am

> > > > unaware of.

> > > > > > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a

> few

> > > > words on this

> > > > > > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my

> comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

> > > may

> > > > be very very

> > > > > > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> > > > derangement and

> > > > > > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th

> > > and

> > > > 4th aspects

> > > > > > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> > > fiery

> > > > sign (Leo).

> > > > > > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

> > > > short-tempered

> > > > > > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-

> 30)

> > > > also. D-30 is

> > > > > > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-

> > > > conscious plane and

> > > > > > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that

> > > lives

> > > > within one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps

> > > over

> > > > the top.

> > > > > > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> > > > However, Jupiter

> > > > > > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He

> > > has

> > > > rasi drishti

> > > > > > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the

> savior.

> > > > Also, navamsa

> > > > > > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors

> give

> > > > basic strength

> > > > > > > to the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th

> is

> > > so

> > > > terrible.

> > > > > > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

> in

> > > > debility).

> > > > > > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> > > exchange

> > > > between 9th

> > > > > > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual

> > > > progress. The

> > > > > > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a

> lagna

> > > > owned by

> > > > > > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing

> in

> > > > one's spiritual

> > > > > > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what

> > > words

> > > > (padas) are

> > > > > > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are

> > > intangible,

> > > > the words used

> > > > > > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show

> intangible

> > > > matters, while

> > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> > > > Arudha padas are

> > > > > > > very important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that

> is

> > > > good for

> > > > > > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > > spiritual

> > > > evolution,

> > > > > > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

> > > lagna.

> > > > That is

> > > > > > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

> > > > Chandra Mangala

> > > > > > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of

> > > > occult experiences

> > > > > > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

> > > > experiences and

> > > > > > > visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

> > > see a

> > > > mentally

> > > > > > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge

> > > and

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I

> am

> > > > stating what I

> > > > > > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want

> to

> > > > offer a couple

> > > > > > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> > > from

> > > > me, I will

> > > > > > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

> > > lagna

> > > > in Taurus,

> > > > > > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa,

> 7th

> > > > lord is in

> > > > > > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > > Fasting

> > > > on Fridays and

> > > > > > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day

> > > before

> > > > breaking the

> > > > > > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in

> > > lagna

> > > > in D-24

> > > > > > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart.

> You

> > > > will become a

> > > > > > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is

> a

> > > > great virtue. As

> > > > > > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast

> > > and

> > > > one lifetime

> > > > > > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25

> > > years

> > > > back and spent

> > > > > > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and

> > > researching

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably

> well,

> > > I

> > > > do know that

> > > > > > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to

> > > learn.

> > > > I am not

> > > > > > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I

> marvel

> > > at

> > > > the mastery

> > > > > > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show

> > > some

> > > > humility

> > > > > > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> > > less

> > > > arrogant. You

> > > > > > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you

> > > develop

> > > > true

> > > > > > > humility.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share

> of

> > > > mystical

> > > > > > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times

> more

> > > > progress and yet

> > > > > > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and

> keep

> > > > your spiritual

> > > > > > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the

> public.

> > > Do

> > > > not go around

> > > > > > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

> > > > realize that

> > > > > > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come

> > > only

> > > > when you

> > > > > > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger

> things

> > > and

> > > > please do

> > > > > > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and

> > > sadness

> > > > are both

> > > > > > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> > > > people and idiots

> > > > > > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her

> > > forms.

> > > > Love Her in

> > > > > > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and

> > > fill

> > > > your heart

> > > > > > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

> > > > personality and not

> > > > > > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > > transiting

> > > > on natal Mars

> > > > > > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So

> much

> > > is

> > > > expected from

> > > > > > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment

> of

> > > > it!). I

> > > > > > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot

> nature,

> > > > shine as a star

> > > > > > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many

> > > spiritual

> > > > seekers. You

> > > > > > > have it in you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual

> experiences

> > > and

> > > > > > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt

> > > generic

> > > > comments on

> > > > > > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does

> not

> > > > mean that the

> > > > > > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > > Brahman

> > > > (field of

> > > > > > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

> > > > Maayaa) is infinite

> > > > > > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone

> > > access

> > > > to some

> > > > > > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access

> > > to,

> > > > She may do it

> > > > > > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to

> > > play

> > > > and given the

> > > > > > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play

> > > their

> > > > role without

> > > > > > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the

> > > stage

> > > > calmly. Some

> > > > > > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > > seriously

> > > > and think that

> > > > > > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter

> type

> > > > have more

> > > > > > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She

> needs

> > > > those types too

> > > > > > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the

> > > > latter type.

> > > > > > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline

> is

> > > > that all the

> > > > > > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because

> > > of

> > > > the role one

> > > > > > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions

> > > or

> > > > other

> > > > > > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she

> > > has a

> > > > role to play

> > > > > > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > > absolutely

> > > > does not mean

> > > > > > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

> > > > correct. One may

> > > > > > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other

> aspects

> > > of

> > > > maayaa.

> > > > > > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this

> > > maayaa.

> > > > Not everyone

> > > > > > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters

> of

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he

> > > reject

> > > > them when/if

> > > > > > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > > his/her

> > > > siddhis or

> > > > > > > other so-called achievements.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > > > entirety. They

> > > > > > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are

> > > > fully killed and

> > > > > > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time,

> > > even

> > > > when walking

> > > > > > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the

> > > > entire field of

> > > > > > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all

> > > subjects.

> > > > But, we

> > > > > > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world.

> We

> > > > can, of course,

> > > > > > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience

> > > various

> > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

> > > > aspects of maayaa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > >

> > >

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/h

> > > o

> > > > mam>

> > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%

> 40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date of Birth

> > > > > > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > > > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > > > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > > > > > of the parameters required

> > > > > > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > > > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > > > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > > > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > > > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > > > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > > > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > > > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > > > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > > > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > > > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > > > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > > > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > > > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > > > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > > > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > > > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > > > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > > > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > > > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > > > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > > > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > > > > > due to.....

> > > > > > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of

> > > mind,

> > > > > > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > > > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > > > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > > > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > > > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > > > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > > > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > > > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > > > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > > > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd

> > > aspect.

> > > > > > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > > > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > > > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > > > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > > > > > 6th Lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > > > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any

> > > good.

> > > > > > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > > > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > > > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > > > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > > > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > > > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > > > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > > > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > > > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > > > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > > > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > > > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > > > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for

> > > him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children

> too,

> > > > > > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > > > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to

> > > satisfy

> > > > > > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from

> > > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > > > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > > > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > > > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > > > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > > > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > > > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > > > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > > > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BHASKAR.

> > > > >

April 8, 2008

Namaste Sri Bharat

Thank you very much for your comments.

I agree that you did not write to me.However my point was not to drag

my name unless you are talking to me or giving me a chance to

speak.Do you mean i have to keep quiet and you would like drag my

name as you wish?

Best Regds

Pradeep

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Pradeep

>

> As always you have tried to show you stand by Maharishis and others

do not

> know a thing. Your such views are fundamentally incorrect and I

have every

> right to say so and I have proved it often in both sohamsa and

> Vedic Astrology and jyotish groups.

>

> As you know I refrain from commenting to you, so do not try to

again open

> your comments to me. I sent my comments to Sri Sreeram, and it is

between me

> and him.

>

> Bharat

>

> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:25 AM, vijayadas_pradeep <

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> > Namaste shri Bharath

> >

> > >nor did you raise your voice against the wrong principles that

Sri

> > >Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire astrological

community.

> >

> > I have always stood and will always stand by the fundamentals as

> > taught by Maharishis.You have all the right to take side with new

> > theories.

> >

> > Once i have time i will complete the paper as promised.

> >

> > May God bless you.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Satya, Sri Sreenivas, Sri Narasimha and other

esteemed

> > members

> > >

> > > Given a human birth, each one gets a chance to Know the Truth.

> > However,

> > > people misplace the Truth as something else and keep seeking it.

> > Each one

> > > wants Moksha, but they do not realize it and seek it in

misplaced

> > goals. The

> > > grahas that bind the individual, grasp the thinking of the

> > individuals to

> > > believe in misplaced goals, but a true seeker uses the power of

the

> > same

> > > grahas to understand the Truth. If one studies the qualities of

a

> > seeker as

> > > given in Vivekachoodamani, one can relate them to Grahas. But

> > Grahas cannot

> > > be the cause of Self Realization. Since Self Realization or

Moksha

> > is

> > > knowing what you truly are and not a process of becoming.

> > >

> > > Therefore, try not to find divinity of a person (as if it is a

> > percentage),

> > > from the chart. Secondly, no astrologer can understand Sri

Krishna,

> > Sri

> > > Ramana Maharishi, and so on. The Self Realized (Jeevan Muktas)

are

> > not

> > > subjects of destiny, the destiny is only for their deha.

> > >

> > > Having said the above, Astrology does have a role to play in

> > Spirituality.

> > > Through a chart we can find out the binding thoughts, the

> > uncontrollable

> > > urges, and goal orientations, and we may guide the said

individual

> > to

> > > overcome such tendencies.

> > > *

> > > To Sri Sreenivas*

> > > Though I respect the questions you ask Sri Narasimha now, but, I

> > deeply

> > > saddened that you did not raise any issue when Sri Sreenadh

abused

> > an

> > > esteemed member on this forum nor did you raise your voice

against

> > the wrong

> > > principles that Sri Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire

> > astrological

> > > community. I expect and hope for better openness and fairness

from

> > you. Hope

> > > you do not mind my saying this. I dislike grouping of people as

> > then people

> > > tend to look after their respective groups and sadly knowledge

goes

> > amiss.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> > > > through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> > > > charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use

of

> > such

> > > > higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth

time

> > > > itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> > > > ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the

Internet

> > > > groups is another big question. This analysis fails another

> > feature

> > > > that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means

complete

> > > > background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga

> > exists

> > > > in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> > > > prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> > > > emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the

> > classics.

> > > > This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise

based

> > on

> > > > the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is

what

> > > > Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means

complete

> > > > background information. In fact, there are cases he even

denied to

> > > > give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the

person;

> > > > that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

> > > >

> > > > Just one open question to members:

> > > > Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of;

e.g.,

> > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy

> > Vivekananda,

> > > > Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an

> > astrological

> > > > prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would

become

> > > > spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the

> > earth?

> > > > I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an

intuition

> > > > based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members

> > know

> > > > of such cases, I would request them to present that

information to

> > > > the public.

> > > >

> > > > I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's

analysis.

> > He

> > > > just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer;

let

> > us

> > > > not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a

person.

> > If

> > > > anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they

can

> > > > also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > > > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to

> > judge

> > > > the

> > > > > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > > > > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9

and

> > > > other

> > > > > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity

element. The

> > > > > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can

> > surely

> > > > be

> > > > > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get,

> > moreorless

> > > > > same results.

> > > > >

> > > > > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more

divinity,

> > > > may

> > > > > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity,

no

> > > > body

> > > > > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit

should

> > > > ensure

> > > > > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > > > > certificate from another divine person is difficult to

> > understand.

> > > > > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> > > > accept,

> > > > > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again

difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as

means to

> > > > > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does

Divinity

> > > > > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > > > > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions

etc, I

> > > > > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti

sama

> > > > dasa

> > > > > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart.

In

> > > > > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More

> > importantly,

> > > > he

> > > > > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from

> > Moon!).

> > > > > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective

sadhana and

> > > > > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha

pada of

> > > > the

> > > > > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is

important for

> > > > > mystical experiences.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka

compared to

> > > > many

> > > > > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to

reconcile

> > his

> > > > > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various

lists

> > on

> > > > > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many

people

> > > > to

> > > > > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna

and

> > > > Moon,

> > > > > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck

where he

> > > > is.

> > > > > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until

Venus

> > > > dasa

> > > > > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist

(rajasik

> > > > > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till

2018

> > and

> > > > > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars

in

> > Leo.

> > > > > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical

> > demeanor,

> > > > > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> > > > especially

> > > > > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> > > > drigdasa

> > > > > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual

karma

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > society.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their

knowledge of

> > > > > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine

> > subject.

> > > > > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We

should

> > > > resist

> > > > > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish

as a

> > > > > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with

care,

> > love

> > > > > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > -

> > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

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> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " astro desk "

> > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative

and

> > a

> > > > > good guide to

> > > > > > > most of us in our life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see

signs

> > of

> > > > > him being

> > > > > > > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi

vemmana

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings

on

> > this

> > > > > side as well,

> > > > > > > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge,

> > > > experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u

take

> > > > time

> > > > > and reply

> > > > > > > now or later

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his

> > vicious

> > > > > attack on Pt

> > > > > > > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and

me

> > for

> > > > > just asking

> > > > > > > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages

and

> > more

> > > > of

> > > > > hate

> > > > > > > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two

like

> > > > > members as I have

> > > > > > > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not

be

> > > > worth

> > > > > the risk,

> > > > > > > we need some peace after all.

> > > > > > > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war

between 2

> > > > > greats one who

> > > > > > > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed

> > himself

> > > > > great that

> > > > > > > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the

time

> > it

> > > > > went beyond

> > > > > > > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the

> > > > possible

> > > > > potential of

> > > > > > > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is

human and

> > > > > forgive is

> > > > > > > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if

u

> > have

> > > > > cracked the

> > > > > > > code in his case we surely will improve our skills

through

> > ur

> > > > > readings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BEst wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> > latest

> > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find

useful

> > data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

astrologically

> > on

> > > > > this data. I

> > > > > > > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings

between

> > > > some

> > > > > people on

> > > > > > > > this list and there may be some background to this

that I

> > am

> > > > > unaware of.

> > > > > > > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to

say a

> > few

> > > > > words on this

> > > > > > > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my

> > comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

deranged " . He

> > > > may

> > > > > be very very

> > > > > > > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no

mental

> > > > > derangement and

> > > > > > > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars

(8th

> > > > and

> > > > > 4th aspects

> > > > > > > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun

in a

> > > > fiery

> > > > > sign (Leo).

> > > > > > > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him

quite

> > > > > short-tempered

> > > > > > > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa

(D-

> > 30)

> > > > > also. D-30 is

> > > > > > > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the

sub-

> > > > > conscious plane and

> > > > > > > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin)

that

> > > > lives

> > > > > within one.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

perhaps

> > > > over

> > > > > the top.

> > > > > > > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

overcome.

> > > > > However, Jupiter

> > > > > > > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

moolatrikona. He

> > > > has

> > > > > rasi drishti

> > > > > > > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the

> > savior.

> > > > > Also, navamsa

> > > > > > > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors

> > give

> > > > > basic strength

> > > > > > > > to the chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in

9th

> > is

> > > > so

> > > > > terrible.

> > > > > > > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even

if

> > in

> > > > > debility).

> > > > > > > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> > > > exchange

> > > > > between 9th

> > > > > > > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

spiritual

> > > > > progress. The

> > > > > > > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a

> > lagna

> > > > > owned by

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great

blessing

> > in

> > > > > one's spiritual

> > > > > > > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses)

what

> > > > words

> > > > > (padas) are

> > > > > > > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are

> > > > intangible,

> > > > > the words used

> > > > > > > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show

> > intangible

> > > > > matters, while

> > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

them.

> > > > > Arudha padas are

> > > > > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and

that

> > is

> > > > > good for

> > > > > > > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > evolution,

> > > > > > > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

liberation. The

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign

in

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > That is

> > > > > > > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

nodes.

> > > > > Chandra Mangala

> > > > > > > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th

lord of

> > > > > occult experiences

> > > > > > > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

> > > > > experiences and

> > > > > > > > visions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do

not

> > > > see a

> > > > > mentally

> > > > > > > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of

some

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

knowledge

> > > > and

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment.

But I

> > am

> > > > > stating what I

> > > > > > > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I

want

> > to

> > > > > offer a couple

> > > > > > > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

criticism

> > > > from

> > > > > me, I will

> > > > > > > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with

upapada

> > > > lagna

> > > > > in Taurus,

> > > > > > > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

navamsa,

> > 7th

> > > > > lord is in

> > > > > > > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > > > Fasting

> > > > > on Fridays and

> > > > > > > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day

> > > > before

> > > > > breaking the

> > > > > > > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru

in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > in D-24

> > > > > > > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi

chart.

> > You

> > > > > will become a

> > > > > > > > good astrologer in time. But please note that

humility is

> > a

> > > > > great virtue. As

> > > > > > > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is

vast

> > > > and

> > > > > one lifetime

> > > > > > > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about

25

> > > > years

> > > > > back and spent

> > > > > > > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and

> > > > researching

> > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably

> > well,

> > > > I

> > > > > do know that

> > > > > > > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there

to

> > > > learn.

> > > > > I am not

> > > > > > > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I

> > marvel

> > > > at

> > > > > the mastery

> > > > > > > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but

show

> > > > some

> > > > > humility

> > > > > > > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others

and

> > > > less

> > > > > arrogant. You

> > > > > > > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after

you

> > > > develop

> > > > > true

> > > > > > > > humility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your

share

> > of

> > > > > mystical

> > > > > > > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times

> > more

> > > > > progress and yet

> > > > > > > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion

and

> > keep

> > > > > your spiritual

> > > > > > > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the

> > public.

> > > > Do

> > > > > not go around

> > > > > > > > touting things or giving the impression of touting.

Please

> > > > > realize that

> > > > > > > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will

come

> > > > only

> > > > > when you

> > > > > > > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger

> > things

> > > > and

> > > > > please do

> > > > > > > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness

and

> > > > sadness

> > > > > are both

> > > > > > > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms.

Learned

> > > > > people and idiots

> > > > > > > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both

Her

> > > > forms.

> > > > > Love Her in

> > > > > > > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper

and

> > > > fill

> > > > > your heart

> > > > > > > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

> > > > > personality and not

> > > > > > > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > > > transiting

> > > > > on natal Mars

> > > > > > > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So

> > much

> > > > is

> > > > > expected from

> > > > > > > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my

judgment

> > of

> > > > > it!). I

> > > > > > > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot

> > nature,

> > > > > shine as a star

> > > > > > > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > seekers. You

> > > > > > > > have it in you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual

> > experiences

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt

> > > > generic

> > > > > comments on

> > > > > > > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it

does

> > not

> > > > > mean that the

> > > > > > > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > > > Brahman

> > > > > (field of

> > > > > > > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known

as

> > > > > Maayaa) is infinite

> > > > > > > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives

someone

> > > > access

> > > > > to some

> > > > > > > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have

access

> > > > to,

> > > > > She may do it

> > > > > > > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific

role to

> > > > play

> > > > > and given the

> > > > > > > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings

play

> > > > their

> > > > > role without

> > > > > > > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave

the

> > > > stage

> > > > > calmly. Some

> > > > > > > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > > > seriously

> > > > > and think that

> > > > > > > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The

latter

> > type

> > > > > have more

> > > > > > > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She

> > needs

> > > > > those types too

> > > > > > > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to

the

> > > > > latter type.

> > > > > > > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the

bottomline

> > is

> > > > > that all the

> > > > > > > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given

because

> > > > of

> > > > > the role one

> > > > > > > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other

visions

> > > > or

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because

he/she

> > > > has a

> > > > > role to play

> > > > > > > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > > > absolutely

> > > > > does not mean

> > > > > > > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says

is

> > > > > correct. One may

> > > > > > > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other

> > aspects

> > > > of

> > > > > maayaa.

> > > > > > > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this

> > > > maayaa.

> > > > > Not everyone

> > > > > > > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are

masters

> > of

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he

> > > > reject

> > > > > them when/if

> > > > > > > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > > > his/her

> > > > > siddhis or

> > > > > > > > other so-called achievements.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa

in its

> > > > > entirety. They

> > > > > > > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

egos are

> > > > > fully killed and

> > > > > > > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the

time,

> > > > even

> > > > > when walking

> > > > > > > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as

the

> > > > > entire field of

> > > > > > > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all

> > > > subjects.

> > > > > But, we

> > > > > > > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's

world.

> > We

> > > > > can, of course,

> > > > > > > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience

> > > > various

> > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of

many

> > > > > aspects of maayaa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents

nonsensical.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > ---------------------

----

> > > > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

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> > > > o

> > > > > mam>

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40><%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date of Birth

> > > > > > > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > > > > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches

much

> > > > > > > > > of the parameters required

> > > > > > > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > > > > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic,

frustrated,

> > > > > > > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > > > > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of

time

> > > > > > > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > > > > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees

orb.

> > > > > > > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > > > > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > > > > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > > > > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not

able.

> > > > > > > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > > > > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in

marriage.

> > > > > > > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first

case.

> > > > > > > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum

type

> > > > > > > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > > > > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > > > > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > > > > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > > > > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > > > > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > > > > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > > > > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > > > > > > due to.....

> > > > > > > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird

state of

> > > > mind,

> > > > > > > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > > > > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > > > > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > > > > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > > > > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > > > > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > > > > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > > > > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > > > > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > > > > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough

3rd

> > > > aspect.

> > > > > > > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > > > > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and

Neptune

> > > > > > > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > > > > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > > > > > > 6th Lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > > > > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards

doing any

> > > > good.

> > > > > > > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > > > > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and

all,

> > > > > > > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a

Guru,

> > > > > > > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > > > > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > > > > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > > > > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > > > > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual

interourse

> > > > > > > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > > > > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > > > > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression

confirm.,

> > > > > > > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > > > > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a

Mother for

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children

> > too,

> > > > > > > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in

him,

> > > > > > > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal

to

> > > > satisfy

> > > > > > > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen

from

> > > > the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > > > > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > > > > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > > > > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof

dupester

> > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > > > > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > > > > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > > > > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > > > > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > > > > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BHASKAR.

> > > > > >

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