Predicting divinity of a person through astrology

April 4, 2008

Dear members,

Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of such

higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth time

itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

groups is another big question. This analysis fails another feature

that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga exists

in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the classics.

This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based on

the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied to

give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the person;

that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

Just one open question to members:

Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy Vivekananda,

Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an astrological

prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the earth?

I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members know

of such cases, I would request them to present that information to

the public.

I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis. He

just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let us

not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person. If

anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

Best regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

, " Prabodh Vekhande "

<amolmandar wrote:

>

> Dear All Namaste

>

> It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to judge

the

> spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

other

> varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can surely

be

> applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get, moreorless

> same results.

>

> But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity,

may

> be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

body

> in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

ensure

> this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> certificate from another divine person is difficult to understand.

> Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

accept,

> although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult

to

> understand.

>

> In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sir,

> >

> > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

> don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

dasa

> of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

lagna.

> He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More importantly,

he

> occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from Moon!).

> Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

> Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of

the

> 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

> mystical experiences.

> >

> > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to

many

> people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his

> rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists on

> several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people

to

> disagree with me. That's fine.

> >

> > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

Moon,

> he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

is.

> His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

dasa

> is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

> Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and

> the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in Leo.

> But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor,

> rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

especially

> after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

drigdasa

> of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma in

the

> society.

> >

> > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject.

> Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

resist

> such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

> divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care, love

> and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > --------------------------------

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> >

> > , " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> > >

> > > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a

> good guide to

> > > most of us in our life.

> > >

> > > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of

> him being

> > > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana

etc.

> > > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this

> side as well,

> > > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge,

experience.

> > >

> > > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take

time

> and reply

> > > now or later

> > >

> > > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> > >

> > > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious

> attack on Pt

> > > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for

> just asking

> > > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more

of

> hate

> > > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> > >

> > > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like

> members as I have

> > > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be

worth

> the risk,

> > > we need some peace after all.

> > > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2

> greats one who

> > > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself

> great that

> > > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it

> went beyond

> > > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> > >

> > > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the

possible

> potential of

> > > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and

> forgive is

> > > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have

> cracked the

> > > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur

> readings.

> > >

> > > BEst wishes

> > >

> > > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> messages.

> > > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on

> this data. I

> > > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

some

> people on

> > > > this list and there may be some background to this that I am

> unaware of.

> > > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few

> words on this

> > > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

may

> be very very

> > > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> derangement and

> > > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th

and

> 4th aspects

> > > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

fiery

> sign (Leo).

> > > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

> short-tempered

> > > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30)

> also. D-30 is

> > > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-

> conscious plane and

> > > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that

lives

> within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps

over

> the top.

> > > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> However, Jupiter

> > > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He

has

> rasi drishti

> > > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior.

> Also, navamsa

> > > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give

> basic strength

> > > > to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is

so

> terrible.

> > > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in

> debility).

> > > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

exchange

> between 9th

> > > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual

> progress. The

> > > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna

> owned by

> > > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in

> one's spiritual

> > > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what

words

> (padas) are

> > > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are

intangible,

> the words used

> > > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> matters, while

> > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> Arudha padas are

> > > > very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

> good for

> > > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

spiritual

> evolution,

> > > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The

lord

> of

> > > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

lagna.

> That is

> > > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

> Chandra Mangala

> > > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of

> occult experiences

> > > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

> experiences and

> > > > visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

see a

> mentally

> > > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> spiritual

> > > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge

and

> it is

> > > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> stating what I

> > > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

> offer a couple

> > > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

from

> me, I will

> > > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

lagna

> in Taurus,

> > > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

> lord is in

> > > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

Fasting

> on Fridays and

> > > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day

before

> breaking the

> > > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > > >

> > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in

lagna

> in D-24

> > > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> will become a

> > > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a

> great virtue. As

> > > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast

and

> one lifetime

> > > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25

years

> back and spent

> > > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and

researching

> Jyotish.

> > > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well,

I

> do know that

> > > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to

learn.

> I am not

> > > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel

at

> the mastery

> > > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > >

> > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show

some

> humility

> > > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

less

> arrogant. You

> > > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you

develop

> true

> > > > humility.

> > > >

> > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> mystical

> > > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

> progress and yet

> > > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep

> your spiritual

> > > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public.

Do

> not go around

> > > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

> realize that

> > > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come

only

> when you

> > > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things

and

> please do

> > > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > > >

> > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and

sadness

> are both

> > > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> people and idiots

> > > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her

forms.

> Love Her in

> > > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and

fill

> your heart

> > > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > > >

> > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

> personality and not

> > > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

transiting

> on natal Mars

> > > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much

is

> expected from

> > > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of

> it!). I

> > > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature,

> shine as a star

> > > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many

spiritual

> seekers. You

> > > > have it in you.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences

and

> > > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt

generic

> comments on

> > > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > > >

> > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not

> mean that the

> > > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

Brahman

> (field of

> > > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

> Maayaa) is infinite

> > > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone

access

> to some

> > > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access

to,

> She may do it

> > > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to

play

> and given the

> > > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play

their

> role without

> > > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the

stage

> calmly. Some

> > > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

seriously

> and think that

> > > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type

> have more

> > > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs

> those types too

> > > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the

> latter type.

> > > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is

> that all the

> > > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because

of

> the role one

> > > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > > >

> > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions

or

> other

> > > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she

has a

> role to play

> > > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It

absolutely

> does not mean

> > > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

> correct. One may

> > > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects

of

> maayaa.

> > > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this

maayaa.

> Not everyone

> > > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of

> astrology.

> > > >

> > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he

reject

> them when/if

> > > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

his/her

> siddhis or

> > > > other so-called achievements.

> > > >

> > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> entirety. They

> > > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are

> fully killed and

> > > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time,

even

> when walking

> > > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the

> entire field of

> > > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all

subjects.

> But, we

> > > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We

> can, of course,

> > > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience

various

> kinds of

> > > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

> aspects of maayaa.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

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>

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> mam>

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> > > >

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Date of Birth

> > > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > > of the parameters required

> > > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > > due to.....

> > > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of

mind,

> > > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > > >

> > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd

aspect.

> > > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > > 6th Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any

good.

> > > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > > >

> > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for

him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to

satisfy

> > > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > > >

> > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from

the

> 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > BHASKAR.

> >

April 5, 2008

Namaste,

Just a few random thoughts on this..

While every being has divinity, not every being is made equal. Of course, if all

the mental conditioning is peeled off, all beings are pure Light and filled with

the same divinity. However, layers of mental conditioning ARE present in all and

they make a big difference in deciding how much spiritual progress one makes and

to what degree the Light within is revealed. I do believe that rasi, navamsa and

vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good idea of how much spiritual progress one

makes and when. According to Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual

progress.

There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual events quite

well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a Kundalini awakening and

some mystical experiences in a specific one and half year period. Based on

vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari antardasa, it seemed very very likely that he

would. When I asked, he confirmed to me that I was correct. He locked himself in

a room for a few days and started contemplating " who am I " . When he was lost and

started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him and showed him some things. This

gentleman is quite discreet and does not talk about his spiritual experiences to

everyone. He revealed only to confirm my post-diction, after I specifically

asked. The same gentleman met a disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same

antardasa, who showed him some unbelievable miracles and induced some more

mystical experiences in him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special

and that antardasa jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari

dasa!

There were several other charts in which I could see something special in the

vimsamsa chart and could also time using just the most appropriate nakshatra

dasa. My goal is not to brag, but to re-assure fellow students that vimsamsa CAN

be used to judge spiritual progress.

Of course, we all make mistakes. One member said I " erred " in judging Lalit's

chart. Of course, that is possible. I erred in the past and may err in future.

However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual progress in

current life cannot be seen astrologically with any clarity or confidence. Also,

it is misleading to say that each vimsamsa chart shows " more or less same

results " . Each vimsamsa is different. Even though the Divine Light that makes up

the core of each being is the same, the dark layers of mental conditioning that

block that light are different in each person and the chart (esp vimsamsa)

unravels that.

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Spirituality:

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Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> Dear members,

>

> Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of such

> higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth time

> itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

> groups is another big question. This analysis fails another feature

> that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

> background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga exists

> in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the classics.

> This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based on

> the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

> Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

> background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied to

> give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the person;

> that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

>

> Just one open question to members:

> Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

> Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy Vivekananda,

> Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an astrological

> prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

> spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the earth?

> I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

> based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members know

> of such cases, I would request them to present that information to

> the public.

>

> I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis. He

> just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let us

> not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person. If

> anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

> also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

>

> Best regards,

> Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> , " Prabodh Vekhande "

> <amolmandar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All Namaste

> >

> > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to judge

> the

> > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

> other

> > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can surely

> be

> > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get, moreorless

> > same results.

> >

> > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity,

> may

> > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

> body

> > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

> ensure

> > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > certificate from another divine person is difficult to understand.

> > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> accept,

> > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult

> to

> > understand.

> >

> > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sir,

> > >

> > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

> > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

> dasa

> > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> lagna.

> > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More importantly,

> he

> > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from Moon!).

> > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

> > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of

> the

> > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

> > mystical experiences.

> > >

> > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to

> many

> > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his

> > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists on

> > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people

> to

> > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > >

> > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

> Moon,

> > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

> is.

> > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

> dasa

> > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

> > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and

> > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in Leo.

> > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor,

> > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> especially

> > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> drigdasa

> > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma in

> the

> > society.

> > >

> > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject.

> > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

> resist

> > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

> > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care, love

> > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

April 5, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Hari Om,

Dear Narasimha,

Nameste,

It would be great if on the thread you can illustrate the application of Newly

introdced concept of seeing the iner light of a person , that is his self is

illminated to what extent.Here i mean Karaka thithi and Yoga.

TO summarise here is gist of my understanding,

"

1.. Atma karaka is very important. It is thru the individual soul that one's

consciousness perceives the universal soul.

2.. While Sun and Moon show the universal soul and the mind,

3.. Nnormal tithi physically shows the phase of Moon and how much of Sun's

light Moon is reflecting,

4.. karaka tithi shows the phase of individual consciousness and how much of

the light held by the soul is reflected by the consciousness.

5.. Teaching says that Atma karaka (AK) and Amatya karaka (AmK) show the

individual soul and the individual consciousness. Because Chara atma karaka (AK)

is like Sun and chara amatya karaka (AmK) is like Moon.

6.. If we use AmK and AK longitudes instead of Moon and Sun longitudes to find

tithi and yoga, we get karaka tithi and karaka yoga.

7.. It is a sort of " Inner Panchanga " where for example Karaka tithi will

show your attitude towards relationship on a more subtle plane,

8.. As per tradition, this karaka tithi is supposed to be important for the

native's spirituality.

9.. It throws light into the purpose of creation of the person.

10.. Its lord controls the spiritual well-being of the person.

In the charts of most of the mystics, you will find an association between the

lord of the karaka tithi and the 8th house in D-20 or at least in navam.

This iswhat i gather From your various postings "

Feel free to respond If you have inclination and desire to educate.

OM TATSAT

-----------------------

" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has

created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

--

April 6, 2008

Namaste,

The question is not on the vimsamsa chart itself. But, rather on the

authenticity of birth time, which will have greater influence on the

higher level charts (I mean charts which give deeper insight into the

horoscope).

Looking for more authentic data is better choice, even if it is

termed pssimistic view by some; because that is a subjective

conclusion. Similarly, knowing the background of the native helps

more accurate prediction than making an absolute blind prediction

(This should not be confused with a student of astrology attempting

to make blind predictions vs. an experienced astrologer attempting to

make blind predcition - while the former is advisable, the latter is

not). More so, because we never know the person with whom we are

interacting, and what kind of person he or she is. Again, this is

subjective based on the astrologer. There is no question of one is

right and the other is wrong.

Regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Just a few random thoughts on this..

>

> While every being has divinity, not every being is made equal. Of

course, if all the mental conditioning is peeled off, all beings are

pure Light and filled with the same divinity. However, layers of

mental conditioning ARE present in all and they make a big difference

in deciding how much spiritual progress one makes and to what degree

the Light within is revealed. I do believe that rasi, navamsa and

vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good idea of how much spiritual

progress one makes and when. According to Parasara, vimsamsa is the

chart of spiritual progress.

>

> There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual

events quite well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a

Kundalini awakening and some mystical experiences in a specific one

and half year period. Based on vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari

antardasa, it seemed very very likely that he would. When I asked, he

confirmed to me that I was correct. He locked himself in a room for a

few days and started contemplating " who am I " . When he was lost and

started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him and showed him some

things. This gentleman is quite discreet and does not talk about his

spiritual experiences to everyone. He revealed only to confirm my

post-diction, after I specifically asked. The same gentleman met a

disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same antardasa, who

showed him some unbelievable miracles and induced some more mystical

experiences in him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very

special and that antardasa jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart

and Vimsottari dasa!

>

> There were several other charts in which I could see something

special in the vimsamsa chart and could also time using just the most

appropriate nakshatra dasa. My goal is not to brag, but to re-assure

fellow students that vimsamsa CAN be used to judge spiritual progress.

>

> Of course, we all make mistakes. One member said I " erred " in

judging Lalit's chart. Of course, that is possible. I erred in the

past and may err in future.

>

> However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual

progress in current life cannot be seen astrologically with any

clarity or confidence. Also, it is misleading to say that each

vimsamsa chart shows " more or less same results " . Each vimsamsa is

different. Even though the Divine Light that makes up the core of

each being is the same, the dark layers of mental conditioning that

block that light are different in each person and the chart (esp

vimsamsa) unravels that.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> > Dear members,

> >

> > Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> > through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> > charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of

such

> > higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth

time

> > itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> > ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

> > groups is another big question. This analysis fails another

feature

> > that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

> > background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga

exists

> > in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> > prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> > emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the

classics.

> > This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based

on

> > the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

> > Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

> > background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied

to

> > give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the

person;

> > that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

> >

> > Just one open question to members:

> > Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

> > Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy

Vivekananda,

> > Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an

astrological

> > prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

> > spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the

earth?

> > I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

> > based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members

know

> > of such cases, I would request them to present that information

to

> > the public.

> >

> > I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis.

He

> > just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let

us

> > not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person.

If

> > anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

> > also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> > , " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All Namaste

> > >

> > > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to

judge

> > the

> > > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

> > other

> > > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element.

The

> > > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can

surely

> > be

> > > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get,

moreorless

> > > same results.

> > >

> > > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more

divinity,

> > may

> > > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

> > body

> > > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

> > ensure

> > > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > > certificate from another divine person is difficult to

understand.

> > > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> > accept,

> > > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again

difficult

> > to

> > > understand.

> > >

> > > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> > > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> > > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sir,

> > > >

> > > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc,

I

> > > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

> > dasa

> > > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> > > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> > lagna.

> > > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More

importantly,

> > he

> > > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from

Moon!).

> > > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana

and

> > > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada

of

> > the

> > > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important

for

> > > mystical experiences.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared

to

> > many

> > > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile

his

> > > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists

on

> > > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many

people

> > to

> > > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > > >

> > > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

> > Moon,

> > > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

> > is.

> > > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

> > dasa

> > > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist

(rajasik

> > > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018

and

> > > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in

Leo.

> > > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical

demeanor,

> > > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> > especially

> > > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> > drigdasa

> > > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma

in

> > the

> > > society.

> > > >

> > > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> > > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine

subject.

> > > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

> > resist

> > > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as

a

> > > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care,

love

> > > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

>

April 6, 2008

Namaste,

You make is a very good and very important point.

When we use higher divisional charts, an accurate time is needed. Actually, even

navamsa and dasamsa lagna may change signs when the time is on the border. The

birthtime we get from people is often wrong by a few minutes, even when they

claim that it is " accurate " . The definition of birthtime itself is not

well-understood and clocks are always not accurate. So even a supposedly

accurately noted down birthtime can be off by a few minutes.

Before we make any readings, it is a good idea to tally the facts and events we

know and rectify the birthtime.

If one listens to the lessons of our Boston classes (BTW, the site is down right

now), one will see that we never give readings straight away. We first take the

known events and validate the time and rectify when needed. Only when we are

comfortable do we proceed to give readings. I suggest the same disciplined

approach to all.

In the example I mentioned yesterday, I spent 20 minutes with the gentleman and

went through 5-6 events related to D-9, D-7, D-10 and D-24 before feeling

comfortable with the birthtime and asking the question I mentioned.

One's readings can only be as accurate as the data.

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

, " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> The question is not on the vimsamsa chart itself. But, rather on the

> authenticity of birth time, which will have greater influence on the

> higher level charts (I mean charts which give deeper insight into the

> horoscope).

>

> Looking for more authentic data is better choice, even if it is

> termed pssimistic view by some; because that is a subjective

> conclusion. Similarly, knowing the background of the native helps

> more accurate prediction than making an absolute blind prediction

> (This should not be confused with a student of astrology attempting

> to make blind predictions vs. an experienced astrologer attempting to

> make blind predcition - while the former is advisable, the latter is

> not). More so, because we never know the person with whom we are

> interacting, and what kind of person he or she is. Again, this is

> subjective based on the astrologer. There is no question of one is

> right and the other is wrong.

>

> Regards,

> Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Just a few random thoughts on this..

> >

> > While every being has divinity, not every being is made equal. Of

> course, if all the mental conditioning is peeled off, all beings are

> pure Light and filled with the same divinity. However, layers of

> mental conditioning ARE present in all and they make a big difference

> in deciding how much spiritual progress one makes and to what degree

> the Light within is revealed. I do believe that rasi, navamsa and

> vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good idea of how much spiritual

> progress one makes and when. According to Parasara, vimsamsa is the

> chart of spiritual progress.

> >

> > There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual

> events quite well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a

> Kundalini awakening and some mystical experiences in a specific one

> and half year period. Based on vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari

> antardasa, it seemed very very likely that he would. When I asked, he

> confirmed to me that I was correct. He locked himself in a room for a

> few days and started contemplating " who am I " . When he was lost and

> started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him and showed him some

> things. This gentleman is quite discreet and does not talk about his

> spiritual experiences to everyone. He revealed only to confirm my

> post-diction, after I specifically asked. The same gentleman met a

> disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same antardasa, who

> showed him some unbelievable miracles and induced some more mystical

> experiences in him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very

> special and that antardasa jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart

> and Vimsottari dasa!

> >

> > There were several other charts in which I could see something

> special in the vimsamsa chart and could also time using just the most

> appropriate nakshatra dasa. My goal is not to brag, but to re-assure

> fellow students that vimsamsa CAN be used to judge spiritual progress.

> >

> > Of course, we all make mistakes. One member said I " erred " in

> judging Lalit's chart. Of course, that is possible. I erred in the

> past and may err in future.

> >

> > However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual

> progress in current life cannot be seen astrologically with any

> clarity or confidence. Also, it is misleading to say that each

> vimsamsa chart shows " more or less same results " . Each vimsamsa is

> different. Even though the Divine Light that makes up the core of

> each being is the same, the dark layers of mental conditioning that

> block that light are different in each person and the chart (esp

> vimsamsa) unravels that.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > Divinity is such as aspect, which cannot be easily interpreted

> > > through astrology; more so, with the help of higher divisional

> > > charts. Sri KN Rao mentioned in several occassions, that use of

> such

> > > higher level divisional charts is questionable when the birth

> time

> > > itself cannot be ascertained accurately. Over and above,

> > > ascertaining the divinity of persons interacting on the Internet

> > > groups is another big question. This analysis fails another

> feature

> > > that Sri KN Rao mentioned in his writings - CBI - means complete

> > > background information - e.g., when such and such a raja yoga

> exists

> > > in the horoscope, a person born in a poor family will attain

> > > prosperity, and a person born in a royal family will become an

> > > emperor - this is the kind of descriptions we find in the

> classics.

> > > This clearly puts a limit to what extent a person can rise based

> on

> > > the circumstances and environment he was brought up. This is what

> > > Sri KN Rao clearly indicated in his CBI analysis - means complete

> > > background information. In fact, there are cases he even denied

> to

> > > give prediction when he doesn't know the background of the

> person;

> > > that is better than just giving an opinoin based prediction.

> > >

> > > Just one open question to members:

> > > Today we recognize many great yogis, about whom we talk of; e.g.,

> > > Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swamy

> Vivekananda,

> > > Sri Aurobindo Ghosh etc. Did these great saints get an

> astrological

> > > prediction from astrologers of their days, that they would become

> > > spiritual leaders one day in future, and leave a mark on the

> earth?

> > > I am questioning about astrological predictions, not an intuition

> > > based prediction given by another saint. If any of the members

> know

> > > of such cases, I would request them to present that information

> to

> > > the public.

> > >

> > > I am neither supporting nor questioning Sri Narasimha's analysis.

> He

> > > just gave his opinion in the group like any other astrologer; let

> us

> > > not consider this as an open certificate of divinity to a person.

> If

> > > anyone else wants give an honest astrological analysis, they can

> > > also do the same, without being biased by prejudices.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > >

> > > , " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All Namaste

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to

> judge

> > > the

> > > > spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> > > > (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and

> > > other

> > > > varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element.

> The

> > > > arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can

> surely

> > > be

> > > > applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get,

> moreorless

> > > > same results.

> > > >

> > > > But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more

> divinity,

> > > may

> > > > be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no

> > > body

> > > > in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should

> > > ensure

> > > > this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> > > > certificate from another divine person is difficult to

> understand.

> > > > Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to

> > > accept,

> > > > although implicitly, divinity of other person is again

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > understand.

> > > >

> > > > In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> > > > certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> > > > requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> <pvr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> > > > misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc,

> I

> > > > don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama

> > > dasa

> > > > of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> > > > vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

> > > lagna.

> > > > He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More

> importantly,

> > > he

> > > > occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from

> Moon!).

> > > > Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana

> and

> > > > Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada

> of

> > > the

> > > > 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important

> for

> > > > mystical experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared

> to

> > > many

> > > > people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile

> his

> > > > rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists

> on

> > > > several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many

> people

> > > to

> > > > disagree with me. That's fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and

> > > Moon,

> > > > he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he

> > > is.

> > > > His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus

> > > dasa

> > > > is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist

> (rajasik

> > > > Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018

> and

> > > > the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in

> Leo.

> > > > But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical

> demeanor,

> > > > rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue,

> > > especially

> > > > after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208,

> > > drigdasa

> > > > of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma

> in

> > > the

> > > > society.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> > > > Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine

> subject.

> > > > Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should

> > > resist

> > > > such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as

> a

> > > > divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care,

> love

> > > > and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

April 6, 2008

Dear Narasimha ji,

I am new to birth time rectification for my jyotish guru, did not put it

in the standard syllabus. So would like to know how you would apply the

astrology i.e. vargas, when somebody got strong beating in logics, lost

his mind on frivolous things, yet proclaims he won, he won...... { i.e.

Japa yoga of - I win, I win..etc..} even he falls, he wins, he loses,

but he claims he won, for whom all debilitated do good, but for others

it is bad.

I would sincerely appreciate if you could explain it with an example

that you might have come across in your short but long journey of having

learnt 100 dashas..... while we still grabble with normal dashas like

Vimshottari, Jamini, Yogini,..etc.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> You make is a very good and very important point.

>

> When we use higher divisional charts, an accurate time is needed.

Actually, even navamsa and dasamsa lagna may change signs when the time

is on the border. The birthtime we get from people is often wrong by a

few minutes, even when they claim that it is " accurate " . The definition

of birthtime itself is not well-understood and clocks are always not

accurate. So even a supposedly accurately noted down birthtime can be

off by a few minutes.

>

> Before we make any readings, it is a good idea to tally the facts and

events we know and rectify the birthtime.

>

> If one listens to the lessons of our Boston classes (BTW, the site is

down right now), one will see that we never give readings straight away.

We first take the known events and validate the time and rectify when

needed. Only when we are comfortable do we proceed to give readings. I

suggest the same disciplined approach to all.

>

> In the example I mentioned yesterday, I spent 20 minutes with the

gentleman and went through 5-6 events related to D-9, D-7, D-10 and D-24

before feeling comfortable with the birthtime and asking the question I

mentioned.

>

> One's readings can only be as accurate as the data.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina " skolachi@

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The question is not on the vimsamsa chart itself. But, rather on the

> > authenticity of birth time, which will have greater influence on the

> > higher level charts (I mean charts which give deeper insight into

the

> > horoscope).

> >

> > Looking for more authentic data is better choice, even if it is

> > termed pssimistic view by some; because that is a subjective

> > conclusion. Similarly, knowing the background of the native helps

> > more accurate prediction than making an absolute blind prediction

> > (This should not be confused with a student of astrology attempting

> > to make blind predictions vs. an experienced astrologer attempting

to

> > make blind predcition - while the former is advisable, the latter is

> > not). More so, because we never know the person with whom we are

> > interacting, and what kind of person he or she is. Again, this is

> > subjective based on the astrologer. There is no question of one is

> > right and the other is wrong.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

>

April 6, 2008

Dear Narsimha,

<I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good

idea of how much spiritual progress one makes and when. According to

Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual progress.>

Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with Rashi?

And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting Mantra is Spritual?

Todays spiritual is more like a blind man leading to the groups of blind

persons.

<There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual events quite

well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a Kundalini awakening and

some mystical experiences in a specific one and half year period. Based on

vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari antardasa, it seemed very very likely that he

would. When I asked, he confirmed to me that I was correct. He locked

himself in a room for a few days and started contemplating " who am I " . When

he was lost and started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him and showed

him some things. This gentleman is quite discreet and does not talk about

his spiritual experiences to everyone. He revealed only to confirm my

post-diction, after I specifically asked. The same gentleman met a

disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same antardasa, who showed him

some unbelievable miracles and induced some more mystical experiences in

him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special and that antardasa

jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari dasa!>

Have the experience your self and see if you could explain it, May God bless

you with this.

<However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual progress in

current life cannot be seen astrologically with any clarity or confidence. >

Think properly you may find it ones to be optimist that no soul is fallen

soul and every soul can progress beyond astrology.

With best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

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April 7, 2008

Namaste,

If you download the free lessons (as I said, there is a problem with the hosting

company right now and it is expected to be fixed in a few days) on the website

of my students and listen to the lessons, you can get an idea of how *we*

rectify.

One example is not sufficient to clarify the methodology.

In the lessons, many many examples are there.

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha ji,

>

> I am new to birth time rectification for my jyotish guru, did not put it

> in the standard syllabus. So would like to know how you would apply the

> astrology i.e. vargas, when somebody got strong beating in logics, lost

> his mind on frivolous things, yet proclaims he won, he won...... { i.e.

> Japa yoga of - I win, I win..etc..} even he falls, he wins, he loses,

> but he claims he won, for whom all debilitated do good, but for others

> it is bad.

>

> I would sincerely appreciate if you could explain it with an example

> that you might have come across in your short but long journey of having

> learnt 100 dashas..... while we still grabble with normal dashas like

> Vimshottari, Jamini, Yogini,..etc.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > You make is a very good and very important point.

> >

> > When we use higher divisional charts, an accurate time is needed.

> Actually, even navamsa and dasamsa lagna may change signs when the time

> is on the border. The birthtime we get from people is often wrong by a

> few minutes, even when they claim that it is " accurate " . The definition

> of birthtime itself is not well-understood and clocks are always not

> accurate. So even a supposedly accurately noted down birthtime can be

> off by a few minutes.

> >

> > Before we make any readings, it is a good idea to tally the facts and

> events we know and rectify the birthtime.

> >

> > If one listens to the lessons of our Boston classes (BTW, the site is

> down right now), one will see that we never give readings straight away.

> We first take the known events and validate the time and rectify when

> needed. Only when we are comfortable do we proceed to give readings. I

> suggest the same disciplined approach to all.

> >

> > In the example I mentioned yesterday, I spent 20 minutes with the

> gentleman and went through 5-6 events related to D-9, D-7, D-10 and D-24

> before feeling comfortable with the birthtime and asking the question I

> mentioned.

> >

> > One's readings can only be as accurate as the data.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

April 7, 2008

Namaste Inder Jit ji,

> <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good

> idea of how much spiritual progress one makes and when. According to

> Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual progress.>

>

> Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with Rashi?

Easy easy - I did mention rasi also above. :-)

Rasi chart is like the master projection of the plans of all the storeys in a

sixteen storey building onto the ground floor. Of course, the projection of each

storey is contained in it, but they are all mixed up. Does an affliction to the

4th house show a problem to mother, happiness, vehicles, education, heart,

residence, wife's career, younger brother's wealth or son's losses?

Each divisional chart is like the projection of the plan of a single storey in

the building.

> And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting Mantra is Spritual?

:-) Why are you asking me and why are you bringing up homa?

Spiritual means a clear understanding of the *essence* of Veda and Upanishads

and imbibing it in one's thoughts and actions.

All religions, rituals and sadhanas are different paths to this. One may make

spiritual progress through recital of a mantra, one may make it through

homa/havan, one may make it through devotion and surrender to a deity, one may

make it through just contemplation and knowledge, one may make it through

service to others with discipline and devotion, one may make it through hatha

yoga, and so on. There are many paths. Also, spiritual progress is not

restricted to a specific religion. There have been people from many regions of

the world and many religions, who demonstrated a clear understanding the essence

of Veda and Upanishads in their actions (though they may have never read those

scriptures).

> Todays spiritual is more like a blind man leading to the groups of blind

> persons.

You may be right.

Who leads who, who is attracted to whose words and who is antagonized by whose

words is all a play of karmas and rinas.

> <...

> him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special and that antardasa

> jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari dasa!>

>

> Have the experience your self and see if you could explain it, May God bless

> you with this.

Thank you for the blessings.

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

, " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni

wrote:

>

> Dear Narsimha,

>

> <I do believe that rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts enable us to get a good

> idea of how much spiritual progress one makes and when. According to

> Parasara, vimsamsa is the chart of spiritual progress.>

>

> Before proceeding to the Divisions had you done justice with Rashi?

>

> And what is spiritual? Doing Homa and reciting Mantra is Spritual?

>

> Todays spiritual is more like a blind man leading to the groups of blind

> persons.

>

> <There were many cases where I could " guess " the past spiritual events quite

> well. For example, I asked one gentleman if he had a Kundalini awakening and

> some mystical experiences in a specific one and half year period. Based on

> vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari antardasa, it seemed very very likely that he

> would. When I asked, he confirmed to me that I was correct. He locked

> himself in a room for a few days and started contemplating " who am I " . When

> he was lost and started crying, a Hindu god appeared before him and showed

> him some things. This gentleman is quite discreet and does not talk about

> his spiritual experiences to everyone. He revealed only to confirm my

> post-diction, after I specifically asked. The same gentleman met a

> disgusting looking yogi in Himalayas in the same antardasa, who showed him

> some unbelievable miracles and induced some more mystical experiences in

> him. He confirmed that those 1.5 years were very special and that antardasa

> jumped at me when I saw the vimsamsa chart and Vimsottari dasa!>

>

> Have the experience your self and see if you could explain it, May God bless

> you with this.

>

> <However, it is quite pessimistic to think that one's spiritual progress in

> current life cannot be seen astrologically with any clarity or confidence. >

>

> Think properly you may find it ones to be optimist that no soul is fallen

> soul and every soul can progress beyond astrology.

>

> With best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

April 7, 2008

Namaste Sri Satya, Sri Sreenivas, Sri Narasimha and other esteemed members

Given a human birth, each one gets a chance to Know the Truth. However,

people misplace the Truth as something else and keep seeking it. Each one

wants Moksha, but they do not realize it and seek it in misplaced goals. The

grahas that bind the individual, grasp the thinking of the individuals to

believe in misplaced goals, but a true seeker uses the power of the same

grahas to understand the Truth. If one studies the qualities of a seeker as

given in Vivekachoodamani, one can relate them to Grahas. But Grahas cannot

be the cause of Self Realization. Since Self Realization or Moksha is

knowing what you truly are and not a process of becoming.

Therefore, try not to find divinity of a person (as if it is a percentage),

from the chart. Secondly, no astrologer can understand Sri Krishna, Sri

Ramana Maharishi, and so on. The Self Realized (Jeevan Muktas) are not

subjects of destiny, the destiny is only for their deha.

Having said the above, Astrology does have a role to play in Spirituality.

Through a chart we can find out the binding thoughts, the uncontrollable

urges, and goal orientations, and we may guide the said individual to

overcome such tendencies.

*

To Sri Sreenivas*

Though I respect the questions you ask Sri Narasimha now, but, I deeply

saddened that you did not raise any issue when Sri Sreenadh abused an

esteemed member on this forum nor did you raise your voice against the wrong

principles that Sri Pradeep was trying to force upon the entire astrological

community. I expect and hope for better openness and fairness from you. Hope

you do not mind my saying this. I dislike grouping of people as then people

tend to look after their respective groups and sadly knowledge goes amiss.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi