Bhaskar's Debilitation of 5th lord and Debilated Moon of Sunil Nair

March 30, 2008

Lalit,

If these mails are not coming from your

side or e mail ids, then I request

you to find out from whose e mail ids

are these being flouted, I have a doubt

on one 24 x 7 astrologer who is

also harborinbg inimical and zealous

feelings towards me since last i year,

and have a doubt that he may be involved

in these, to keep these flames

ever burning.

I need Your Computer knowledge and

technical xpertise to confirm this.

I also wish to close this episode and

bring it to a respectable end

with mutual understanding between

all warring parties involved.

Therefore use your expertise and

do the needful.

BHASKAR.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> Bhaaskar, I have clarified that the debilation of ur's 5'th lord

Guru

> and it's affliction by Sani in 6'th house whether Sani is 7'th

lord

> or 8'th lord will make u same sort of creature as said by even BV

> Raman and by Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets "

> published by Rupa in page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings

about

> an increase in problems affecting humanity.

>

> I can put up scanned copies of the books to let the group know

about

> u, what u are and why people should remian beware of u.

>

> Will u discuss, Sunil Nair's debilated moon in scorpio ?

>

> do u have courage, will Sunil Nair have courage ?

>

> Thanx,

> vcarolina.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > carolina,

> >

> > First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

> > details.

> >

> > Now coming 2 what u blabber -

> >

> > //These bad things further intensified with

> > the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

> > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

> > lagna is again Dushita with

> > Rahu's influence.//

> >

> > R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

> > Both cases despicable creature,though.

> > bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

> > 8th house Lord too.

> > How is this possible.

> > U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

> >

> > The references u have given,

> > even a first year student with

> > access to books on astrology can

> > pick and relate back.

> >

> > Talk about the effects of a

> > conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

> > with a retro planet placed in own house.

> > Show me the references for this.

> > And now get out of this Forum

> > bcoz u r not fit for astrology

> > and wasting our time.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

> >

> > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Read in the light of the references from classics and books,

> these

> > guys

> > > are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten

them

> > but

> > > even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

> > >

> > > Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

> > >

> > > 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in

verse

> 27

> > while

> > > describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little

knowledge. " ,

> > he

> > > further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he

says –

> > > " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

> > >

> > > Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj

Yoga

> > > formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak

Bhjarna

> > says

> > > about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious eater

if

> > > mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

> > >

> > > Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram

Gato

> > > va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

> > >

> > > Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial

> servant,

> > > fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person

> makes

> > > enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

> > > Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a person

> > > anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons,

> vehicles

> > and

> > > servants.

> > >

> > > Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published

by

> > Rupa in

> > > page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase

in

> > problems

> > > affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic

discord,

> > severe

> > > illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster

than

> > > couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

> > crookedness.

> > >

> > > BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to

Judge a

> > > horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that

leads to

> > > despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and

excitability.

> > >

> > > These bad things further intensified with the fact that

Bhasakr's

> > 6'th

> > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again

> Dushita

> > with

> > > Rahu's influence.

> > >

> > > It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed to

be

> > more

> > > powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to

Retro

> > > Planets, more points means more power to function.

> > >

> > > See one shloka :

> > >

> > > !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

> > >

> > > (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar

> > doesnt

> > > understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of

> > creature

> > > he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

> > >

> > > Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These

Bhaskars,

> > Sunil

> > > Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

> > >

> > > These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still,

they

> > dont

> > > respect the subject and people, always in search of

opportunity to

> > > snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard

> education

> > in

> > > astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap

> > doctors

> > > kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing

> > astrology.

> > >

> > > Thanx,

> > > vcarolina.

> > >

> > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house

and

> > > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

Group,Imagine

> > what

> > > > kind of mind he has got.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th

house.

> > > >

> > > > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting

divine

> > > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor

he

> is

> > > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness

that

> he

> > is

> > > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > > >

> > > > thanx,

> > > > vcaroliina

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > > >

> > > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > > >

> > > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > > >

> > > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > > >

> > > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > > remedies posting.)

> > > > >

> > > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > > experiences. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > > on them.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > > planets.//

> > > > >

> > > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > > in this case.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > > few degrees. //

> > > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > > strong influence

> > > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > > >

> > > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > > discussions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > > to

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

in

> > SJC

> > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

> the

> > new

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> analysis -

> > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

same

> > reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said

the

> > > > > exchange

> > > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite*

the

> > > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords

> > exchange

> > > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga.

> > Apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

given

> the

> > > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

planets

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a

much

> > > > > deeper

> > > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

> > because

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord

> > Moon is

> > > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an

exchange

> > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the

> 12th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains

> > Ketu,

> > > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > detachment

> > > > > have

> > > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for

> > mantra

> > > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus

and

> > here

> > > > he

> > > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

positive

> > > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

> > earlier, the

> > > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon

a

> > lot.

> > > > To

> > > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

> > because

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment,

the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of

> > focus

> > > > and

> > > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity

> just

> > > > > based

> > > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

> > Aurobindo

> > > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > > > experienced

> > > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > commentaries

> > > > > on

> > > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever

read.

> > Swami

> > > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society,

> > also had

> > > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

Saturn

> > and

> > > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

exalted

> > > > > planets.

> > > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> > nirvikalpa

> > > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th

lord

> > alone

> > > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible

results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

> > before.

> > > > > First

> > > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish

classics.

> > Even if

> > > > > we

> > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

who

> was

> > > > like

> > > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by

Neptune

> > within

> > > > a

> > > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current

chief

> > > > pontiff

> > > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord

> > within a

> > > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by

Saturn

> > were

> > > > > also

> > > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had

> > Moon in

> > > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

> aspected

> > him.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

detachment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme

> views

> > are

> > > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > alternative

> > > > > view

> > > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are

attempts

> > being

> > > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are

aired.

> If

> > you

> > > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

> > horoscope

> > > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You

are

> > > > > entitled

> > > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those

who

> > > > > disagree

> > > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

disagree

> > in a

> > > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > ----------------------

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> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > ----------------------

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

version

> > of

> > > > > JHora.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody

to

> > defend

> > > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > > closely,

> > > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF

mark,

> > thanks

> > > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > disappointed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> > software,

> > > > can

> > > > > > make so

> > > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > > to

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

in

> > SJC

> > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

> the

> > new

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> analysis -

> > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image

with

> > his

> > > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he

is

> > often

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will

> > stand by

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

> > ammunition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are

really

> > > > > defending

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

> > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

same

> > reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

soul.

> > > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or

you

> are

> > > > all

> > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him

in

> the

> > > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > > > contribution

> > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters

> > through

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > > > > asking,

> > > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

personally

> > > > > request

> > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and

checked

> the

> > > > > latest

> > > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I

would

> > find

> > > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > astrologically

> > > > > on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

> > dealings

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > background

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer

given

> a

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

forgive

> > me if

> > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> > deranged " . He

> > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered,

but

> I

> > see

> > > > > no

> > > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by

> Mars

> > > > (8th

> > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

> > planet

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and

Moon

> > > > closely

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects

> > Moon and

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that

shows

> > one's

> > > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws

light

> on

> > the

> > > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot

and

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that

needs

> to

> > be

> > > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a

quadrant -

> > his

> > > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th

> > graha

> > > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna

lord is

> > > > > exalted

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

to

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord

Moon

> in

> > 9th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord

in

> > 5th

> > > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has

> neecha

> > > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon

is

> > quite

> > > > > good

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada

(A9)

> > and

> > > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> > aspecting

> > > > > them,

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

> > (arudha

> > > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words

> > used to

> > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> > matters,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related

to

> > them.

> > > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa

> and

> > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the

chart

> > of

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house

of

> > > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a

> > friendly

> > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra

is

> > strong

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of

> siddhis

> > > > > given

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

> > liberation

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa,

I

> > do not

> > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but

a

> > person

> > > > > of

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and

visions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

judgment.

> > But I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart

publicly, I

> > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will

tolerate

> > some

> > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please

bear

> > with

> > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult

with

> > upapada

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with

Ketu. In

> > > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult

to

> get

> > > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

> > Tripurasundari at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

March 30, 2008

your mail is a reflection of debilitation of ur 5'th lord and further

affliction by 7'th lord Sani again that in 6'th house, which makes u

this type of creature?discuss ur chart with urself, should we

include Rahu's influence also in ur persona, to give u an

understanding, a revealation of the type of creature ur, r u not a

criminal of astrology ?

because of distortion that u do to astro principles, astrology will

be seen with great doubts and disrespect.

in fact, without knowledge u started projecting urself an astrologer

and now getting a beating everywhere, Lalit shown ur level to u in

his group before members, that was his kindness for u, thinking u

will improve urself but u started his character killing, ur own

chart is before everybody ..

ha ha ha ha.

vcarolina !

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> U WISH ME TO DISCUSS WITH WHOM ?

> a MAN, WOMEN, IN BETWEN, A GAY

> OR WHAT ?

>

> WHO R U FIRST REVEAL URSELF.

>

> WHOEVER UR , YET U R NOT EVEN

> A CANDIDATE FOR A LEARNERS CATEGORY

>

> U MUST DISCUSS ASTROLOGY WITH A

> SCHOOL GOING CHILD FOR NEXT 5 YEARS

> AND THEN COME TO ME . I SHALL

> SEE THEN.

>

> BHASKAR.

>

> , " astro.stdcaro "

> <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaaskar, I have clarified that the debilation of ur's 5'th lord

> Guru

> > and it's affliction by Sani in 6'th house whether Sani is 7'th

> lord

> > or 8'th lord will make u same sort of creature as said by even BV

> > Raman and by Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets "

> > published by Rupa in page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings

> about

> > an increase in problems affecting humanity.

> >

> > I can put up scanned copies of the books to let the group know

> about

> > u, what u are and why people should remian beware of u.

> >

> > Will u discuss, Sunil Nair's debilated moon in scorpio ?

> >

> > do u have courage, will Sunil Nair have courage ?

> >

> > Thanx,

> > vcarolina.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > carolina,

> > >

> > > First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

> > > details.

> > >

> > > Now coming 2 what u blabber -

> > >

> > > //These bad things further intensified with

> > > the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

> > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

> > > lagna is again Dushita with

> > > Rahu's influence.//

> > >

> > > R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

> > > Both cases despicable creature,though.

> > > bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

> > > 8th house Lord too.

> > > How is this possible.

> > > U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

> > >

> > > The references u have given,

> > > even a first year student with

> > > access to books on astrology can

> > > pick and relate back.

> > >

> > > Talk about the effects of a

> > > conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

> > > with a retro planet placed in own house.

> > > Show me the references for this.

> > > And now get out of this Forum

> > > bcoz u r not fit for astrology

> > > and wasting our time.

> > >

> > > BHASKAR.

> > >

> > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Read in the light of the references from classics and books,

> > these

> > > guys

> > > > are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten

> them

> > > but

> > > > even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

> > > >

> > > > Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

> > > >

> > > > 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in

> verse

> > 27

> > > while

> > > > describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little

> knowledge. " ,

> > > he

> > > > further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he

> says –

> > > > " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

> > > >

> > > > Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj

> Yoga

> > > > formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak

> Bhjarna

> > > says

> > > > about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious

eater

> if

> > > > mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

> > > >

> > > > Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram

> Gato

> > > > va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

> > > >

> > > > Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial

> > servant,

> > > > fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person

> > makes

> > > > enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

> > > > Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a

person

> > > > anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons,

> > vehicles

> > > and

> > > > servants.

> > > >

> > > > Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published

> by

> > > Rupa in

> > > > page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase

> in

> > > problems

> > > > affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic

> discord,

> > > severe

> > > > illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster

> than

> > > > couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

> > > crookedness.

> > > >

> > > > BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to

> Judge a

> > > > horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that

> leads to

> > > > despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and

> excitability.

> > > >

> > > > These bad things further intensified with the fact that

> Bhasakr's

> > > 6'th

> > > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again

> > Dushita

> > > with

> > > > Rahu's influence.

> > > >

> > > > It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed

to

> be

> > > more

> > > > powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to

> Retro

> > > > Planets, more points means more power to function.

> > > >

> > > > See one shloka :

> > > >

> > > > !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

> > > >

> > > > (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar

> > > doesnt

> > > > understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of

> > > creature

> > > > he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

> > > >

> > > > Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These

> Bhaskars,

> > > Sunil

> > > > Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

> > > >

> > > > These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still,

> they

> > > dont

> > > > respect the subject and people, always in search of

> opportunity to

> > > > snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard

> > education

> > > in

> > > > astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap

> > > doctors

> > > > kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing

> > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Thanx,

> > > > vcarolina.

> > > >

> > > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > <astro.stdcaro@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house

> and

> > > > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

> Group,Imagine

> > > what

> > > > > kind of mind he has got.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th

> house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting

> divine

> > > > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor

> he

> > is

> > > > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness

> that

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanx,

> > > > > vcaroliina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > > > remedies posting.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > > > experiences. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > > > on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > > > planets.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > > > in this case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > > > few degrees. //

> > > > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > > > strong influence

> > > > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > > > discussions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao "

> > > > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > > desirable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

> in

> > > SJC

> > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

include

> > the

> > > new

> > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > > default

> > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > analysis -

> > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> spirituality,

> > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

> same

> > > reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said

> the

> > > > > > exchange

> > > > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here,

*despite*

> the

> > > > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th

lords

> > > exchange

> > > > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja

yoga.

> > > Apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

> given

> > the

> > > > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

> planets

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a

> much

> > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

> > > because

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th

lord

> > > Moon is

> > > > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an

> exchange

> > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

the

> > 12th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon

contains

> > > Ketu,

> > > > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > > detachment

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent

for

> > > mantra

> > > > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus

> and

> > > here

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

> positive

> > > > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

> > > earlier, the

> > > > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord

Moon

> a

> > > lot.

> > > > > To

> > > > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

> > > because

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my

judgment,

> the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level

of

> > > focus

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great

specificity

> > just

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

> > > Aurobindo

> > > > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > > > > experienced

> > > > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > > commentaries

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever

> read.

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life

Society,

> > > also had

> > > > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

> Saturn

> > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

> exalted

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> > > nirvikalpa

> > > > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th

> lord

> > > alone

> > > > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible

> results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

> > > before.

> > > > > > First

> > > > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish

> classics.

> > > Even if

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

> who

> > was

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by

> Neptune

> > > within

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current

> chief

> > > > > pontiff

> > > > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th

lord

> > > within a

> > > > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by

> Saturn

> > > were

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also

had

> > > Moon in

> > > > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

> > aspected

> > > him.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

> detachment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme

> > views

> > > are

> > > > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > > alternative

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are

> attempts

> > > being

> > > > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are

> aired.

> > If

> > > you

> > > > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You

> are

> > > > > > entitled

> > > > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those

> who

> > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

> disagree

> > > in a

> > > > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

> version

> > > of

> > > > > > JHora.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody

> to

> > > defend

> > > > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > > > closely,

> > > > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF

> mark,

> > > thanks

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > > disappointed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> > > software,

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > make so

> > > > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > > desirable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

> in

> > > SJC

> > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

include

> > the

> > > new

> > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > > default

> > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > analysis -

> > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he

> is

> > > often

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I

will

> > > stand by

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

> > > ammunition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are

> really

> > > > > > defending

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

> > > person

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> spirituality,

> > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

> same

> > > reason.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some

virtuous

> > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

> soul.

> > > > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or

> you

> > are

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him

> in

> > the

> > > > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > > > > contribution

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain

matters

> > > through

> > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case,

without

> > > > > > asking,

> > > > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

> personally

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

> P.V.R.

> > > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and

> checked

> > the

> > > > > > latest

> > > > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I

> would

> > > find

> > > > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > > astrologically

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

> > > dealings

> > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > > background

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer

> given

> > a

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

> forgive

> > > me if

> > > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> > > deranged " . He

> > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered,

> but

> > I

> > > see

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected

by

> > Mars

> > > > > (8th

> > > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

> > > planet

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and

> Moon

> > > > > closely

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars

aspects

> > > Moon and

> > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that

> shows

> > > one's

> > > > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws

> light

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot

> and

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that

> needs

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a

> quadrant -

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as

3/4th

> > > graha

> > > > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna

> lord is

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord

> Moon

> > in

> > > 9th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th

lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has

> > neecha

> > > > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon

> is

> > > quite

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada

> (A9)

> > > and

> > > > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> > > aspecting

> > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

> > > (arudha

> > > > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the

words

> > > used to

> > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> > > matters,

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related

> to

> > > them.

> > > > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in

navamsa

> > and

> > > that

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the

> chart

> > > of

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th

house

> of

> > > > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in

a

> > > friendly

> > > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra

> is

> > > strong

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of

> > siddhis

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

> > > liberation

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and

vimsamsa,

> I

> > > do not

> > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but

> a

> > > person

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and

> visions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

> judgment.

> > > But I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at

this

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart

> publicly, I

> > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will

> tolerate

> > > some

> > > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please

> bear

> > > with

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult

> with

> > > upapada

> > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with

> Ketu. In

> > > > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult

> to

> > get

> > > > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

> > > Tripurasundari at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

March 30, 2008

Bhaskar, your mail is a reflection of debilitation of ur 5'th lord

and further affliction by 7'th lord Sani again that in 6'th house,

which makes u this type of creature?discuss ur chart with urself,

should we include Rahu's influence also in ur persona, to give u an

understanding, a revealation of the type of creature ur, r u not a

criminal of astrology ?

because of distortion that u do to astro principles, astrology will

be seen with great doubts and disrespect.

in fact, without knowledge u started projecting urself an astrologer

and now getting a beating everywhere, Lalit shown ur level to u in

his group before members, that was his kindness for u, thinking u

will improve urself but u started his character killing, ur own

chart is before everybody ..

ha ha ha ha.

vcarolina !

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

>

> U WISH ME TO DISCUSS WITH WHOM ?

> a MAN, WOMEN, IN BETWEN, A GAY

> OR WHAT ?

>

> WHO R U FIRST REVEAL URSELF.

>

> WHOEVER UR , YET U R NOT EVEN

> A CANDIDATE FOR A LEARNERS CATEGORY

>

> U MUST DISCUSS ASTROLOGY WITH A

> SCHOOL GOING CHILD FOR NEXT 5 YEARS

> AND THEN COME TO ME . I SHALL

> SEE THEN.

>

> BHASKAR.

>

> , " astro.stdcaro "

> <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaaskar, I have clarified that the debilation of ur's 5'th lord

> Guru

> > and it's affliction by Sani in 6'th house whether Sani is 7'th

> lord

> > or 8'th lord will make u same sort of creature as said by even BV

> > Raman and by Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets "

> > published by Rupa in page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings

> about

> > an increase in problems affecting humanity.

> >

> > I can put up scanned copies of the books to let the group know

> about

> > u, what u are and why people should remian beware of u.

> >

> > Will u discuss, Sunil Nair's debilated moon in scorpio ?

> >

> > do u have courage, will Sunil Nair have courage ?

> >

> > Thanx,

> > vcarolina.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > carolina,

> > >

> > > First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

> > > details.

> > >

> > > Now coming 2 what u blabber -

> > >

> > > //These bad things further intensified with

> > > the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

> > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

> > > lagna is again Dushita with

> > > Rahu's influence.//

> > >

> > > R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

> > > Both cases despicable creature,though.

> > > bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

> > > 8th house Lord too.

> > > How is this possible.

> > > U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

> > >

> > > The references u have given,

> > > even a first year student with

> > > access to books on astrology can

> > > pick and relate back.

> > >

> > > Talk about the effects of a

> > > conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

> > > with a retro planet placed in own house.

> > > Show me the references for this.

> > > And now get out of this Forum

> > > bcoz u r not fit for astrology

> > > and wasting our time.

> > >

> > > BHASKAR.

> > >

> > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Read in the light of the references from classics and books,

> > these

> > > guys

> > > > are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten

> them

> > > but

> > > > even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

> > > >

> > > > Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

> > > >

> > > > 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in

> verse

> > 27

> > > while

> > > > describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little

> knowledge. " ,

> > > he

> > > > further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he

> says –

> > > > " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

> > > >

> > > > Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj

> Yoga

> > > > formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak

> Bhjarna

> > > says

> > > > about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious

eater

> if

> > > > mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

> > > >

> > > > Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram

> Gato

> > > > va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

> > > >

> > > > Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial

> > servant,

> > > > fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person

> > makes

> > > > enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

> > > > Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a

person

> > > > anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons,

> > vehicles

> > > and

> > > > servants.

> > > >

> > > > Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published

> by

> > > Rupa in

> > > > page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase

> in

> > > problems

> > > > affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic

> discord,

> > > severe

> > > > illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster

> than

> > > > couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

> > > crookedness.

> > > >

> > > > BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to

> Judge a

> > > > horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that

> leads to

> > > > despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and

> excitability.

> > > >

> > > > These bad things further intensified with the fact that

> Bhasakr's

> > > 6'th

> > > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again

> > Dushita

> > > with

> > > > Rahu's influence.

> > > >

> > > > It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed

to

> be

> > > more

> > > > powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to

> Retro

> > > > Planets, more points means more power to function.

> > > >

> > > > See one shloka :

> > > >

> > > > !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

> > > >

> > > > (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar

> > > doesnt

> > > > understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of

> > > creature

> > > > he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

> > > >

> > > > Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These

> Bhaskars,

> > > Sunil

> > > > Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

> > > >

> > > > These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still,

> they

> > > dont

> > > > respect the subject and people, always in search of

> opportunity to

> > > > snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard

> > education

> > > in

> > > > astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap

> > > doctors

> > > > kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing

> > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Thanx,

> > > > vcarolina.

> > > >

> > > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > <astro.stdcaro@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house

> and

> > > > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

> Group,Imagine

> > > what

> > > > > kind of mind he has got.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th

> house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting

> divine

> > > > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor

> he

> > is

> > > > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness

> that

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanx,

> > > > > vcaroliina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > > > remedies posting.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > > > experiences. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > > > on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > > > planets.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > > > in this case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > > > few degrees. //

> > > > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > > > strong influence

> > > > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > > > discussions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao "

> > > > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > > desirable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

> in

> > > SJC

> > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

include

> > the

> > > new

> > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > > default

> > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > analysis -

> > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> spirituality,

> > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

> same

> > > reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said

> the

> > > > > > exchange

> > > > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here,

*despite*

> the

> > > > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th

lords

> > > exchange

> > > > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja

yoga.

> > > Apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

> given

> > the

> > > > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

> planets

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a

> much

> > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

> > > because

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th

lord

> > > Moon is

> > > > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an

> exchange

> > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

the

> > 12th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon

contains

> > > Ketu,

> > > > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > > detachment

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent

for

> > > mantra

> > > > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus

> and

> > > here

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

> positive

> > > > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

> > > earlier, the

> > > > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord

Moon

> a

> > > lot.

> > > > > To

> > > > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

> > > because

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my

judgment,

> the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level

of

> > > focus

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great

specificity

> > just

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

> > > Aurobindo

> > > > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > > > > experienced

> > > > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > > commentaries

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever

> read.

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life

Society,

> > > also had

> > > > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

> Saturn

> > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

> exalted

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> > > nirvikalpa

> > > > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th

> lord

> > > alone

> > > > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible

> results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

> > > before.

> > > > > > First

> > > > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish

> classics.

> > > Even if

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

> who

> > was

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by

> Neptune

> > > within

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current

> chief

> > > > > pontiff

> > > > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th

lord

> > > within a

> > > > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by

> Saturn

> > > were

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also

had

> > > Moon in

> > > > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

> > aspected

> > > him.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

> detachment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme

> > views

> > > are

> > > > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > > alternative

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are

> attempts

> > > being

> > > > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are

> aired.

> > If

> > > you

> > > > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You

> are

> > > > > > entitled

> > > > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those

> who

> > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

> disagree

> > > in a

> > > > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > ---------------------

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> ---

> > -

> > > -----

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> > > > > > -

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> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

> wisdom

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > ---------------------

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> > -

> > > -----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

> version

> > > of

> > > > > > JHora.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody

> to

> > > defend

> > > > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > > > closely,

> > > > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF

> mark,

> > > thanks

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > > disappointed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> > > software,

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > make so

> > > > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > > desirable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

> in

> > > SJC

> > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

include

> > the

> > > new

> > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > > default

> > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > analysis -

> > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he

> is

> > > often

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I

will

> > > stand by

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

> > > ammunition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are

> really

> > > > > > defending

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

> > > person

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> spirituality,

> > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

> same

> > > reason.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some

virtuous

> > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

> soul.

> > > > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or

> you

> > are

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him

> in

> > the

> > > > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > > > > contribution

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain

matters

> > > through

> > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case,

without

> > > > > > asking,

> > > > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

> personally

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

> P.V.R.

> > > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and

> checked

> > the

> > > > > > latest

> > > > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I

> would

> > > find

> > > > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > > astrologically

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

> > > dealings

> > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > > background

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer

> given

> > a

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

> forgive

> > > me if

> > > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> > > deranged " . He

> > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered,

> but

> > I

> > > see

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected

by

> > Mars

> > > > > (8th

> > > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

> > > planet

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and

> Moon

> > > > > closely

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars

aspects

> > > Moon and

> > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that

> shows

> > > one's

> > > > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws

> light

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot

> and

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that

> needs

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a

> quadrant -

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as

3/4th

> > > graha

> > > > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna

> lord is

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord

> Moon

> > in

> > > 9th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th

lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has

> > neecha

> > > > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon

> is

> > > quite

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada

> (A9)

> > > and

> > > > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> > > aspecting

> > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

> > > (arudha

> > > > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the

words

> > > used to

> > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> > > matters,

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related

> to

> > > them.

> > > > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in

navamsa

> > and

> > > that

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the

> chart

> > > of

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th

house

> of

> > > > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in

a

> > > friendly

> > > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra

> is

> > > strong

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of

> > siddhis

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

> > > liberation

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and

vimsamsa,

> I

> > > do not

> > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but

> a

> > > person

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and

> visions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

> judgment.

> > > But I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at

this

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart

> publicly, I

> > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will

> tolerate

> > > some

> > > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please

> bear

> > > with

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult

> with

> > > upapada

> > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with

> Ketu. In

> > > > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult

> to

> > get

> > > > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

> > > Tripurasundari at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

March 30, 2008

hello so called carolina,

Ur nothing but a mentally deranged person. better get

urself treated thro a good psychiatrist. stop posting

ur continous nonsensical message. It is quite

sickening.

k.gopu

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