Bhaskar's Debilitation of 5th lord and Debilated Moon of Sunil Nair

March 30, 2008

Group,

Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house and

afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is vakri,Bhaskar,

What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation, Group,Imagine what

kind of mind he has got.

Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th house.

Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting divine

science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor he is

able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness that he is

killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

thanx,

vcaroliina

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

>

> Namaste.

>

> // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> shallow waters of thumbrules. //

>

> This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> lalit Mishra,

>

> // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> with the 9th lord. //

>

> What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> exchanged with 9th ?

>

> // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

>

> We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> remedies posting.)

>

> // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

>

> Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> other saint of their level has got activated

> 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> the Jyotish remedies posting.

>

> // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> experiences. //

>

> Do not just harper on the statement made with

> regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> there would be no difference ?

> What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> on them.

>

> // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> planets.//

>

> We know this. And we dont just make comments

> on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> in this case.

>

> // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> few degrees. //

> // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> strong influence

> eventually gives detachment. //

>

> What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> personalities. There is nothing great in

> subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

>

> // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> extreme views are based on questionable principles

> .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> the astrological reasoning, there

> are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

>

> Which principles used are questionable and

> which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> in air. please authenticate your statement.

>

> Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> charts to substantiate what i have written,

> but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> whom I treat as a Real guru.

>

> sincerely Yours,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> >

> > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > You when this person commented negative on my

> > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > Did you not find any references and do

> > hard work as You have done just now to

> > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > Can we not too provide

> > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > and scum of society, to prove our

> > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > i am not the least interested.

> >

> > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > defended , when he spoke about my

> > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > Where were You then ?

> >

> > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > person you defended is capable of that ?

> >

> > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > your so called native about whom you

> > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > your astrological prowess would be able

> > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > him. Try it.

> >

> > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > one act of yours of defending this

> > rouge person, does not go

> > down the throat well enough.

> >

> > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > and would always respect you.

> >

> > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> >

> > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> >

> > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > is just a re-action of his action

> > which was the same action done on his

> > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > with other elderly persons. How

> > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > find positive then why should

> > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > astrological principles can done by him

> > and allowed to him ?

> > But anyone else saying the

> > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> >

> > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > Sorry to say.

> >

> > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > to you, therefore let us put this

> > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > you does not look good in our midst in

> > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > discussions.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable

to

> > anything

> > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > >

> > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > selected

> > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> hororscope,

> > it is

> > > > all gives good results ??

> > > >

> > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

> > findings,

> > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > >

> > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

> > hororscopes

> > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > Probably one

> > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > >

> > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> further,

> > you

> > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> > >

> > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the

> exchange

> > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

> > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange

> > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart

> from

> > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

> > reasoning behind my views.

> > >

> > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in

the

> > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

sreemantah " .

> > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much

> deeper

> > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > >

> > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because

> the

> > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

> > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with

> the

> > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th

lord

> > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu,

> > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment

> have

> > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra

> > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here

he

> > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

> > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > >

> > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the

> > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot.

To

> > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just because

of

> > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the

> native

> > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus

and

> > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just

> based

> > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > >

> > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo

> > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> experienced

> > the highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries

> on

> > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami

> > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had

> > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and

> > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted

> planets.

> > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa

> > samadhi in the last century.

> > >

> > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone

> > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

> > >

> > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before.

> First

> > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if

> we

> > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was

like

> > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within

a

> > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief

pontiff

> > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > few degrees.

> > >

> > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were

> also

> > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

> > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him.

> So

> > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

> > >

> > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are

> > based on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative

> view

> > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being

> > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> unscholarly.

> > >

> > > This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

> > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

> > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are

> entitled

> > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who

> disagree

> > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a

> > respectful and civil manner.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

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> -

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> > > -------------------------------

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> -

> > >

> > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of

> JHora.

> > > >

> > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

> > himself, is

> > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

closely,

> > would NOT

> > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks

> to

> > your

> > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed

> the

> > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software,

can

> > make so

> > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > >

> > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable

to

> > anything

> > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > >

> > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > selected

> > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> hororscope,

> > it is

> > > > all gives good results ??

> > > >

> > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

> > findings,

> > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > >

> > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

> > hororscopes

> > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > Probably one

> > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > >

> > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his

> > expletives

> > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often

> seen

> > in

> > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by

> you

> > > > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> > > >

> > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really

> defending

> > this

> > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person

of

> > your

> > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> further,

> > you

> > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> > > >

> > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> qualities,

> > use

> > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

> > Probably you

> > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are

all

> > out to

> > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

> > nearest future

> > > > !!

> > > >

> > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> contribution

> > to the

> > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through

> > various

> > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> asking,

> > makes me

> > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > >

> > > > It is never too late for anything....I would personally

> request

> > you to

> > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> latest

> > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find

> > useful

> > > > > data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically

> on

> > this

> > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings

> > between

> > > > > some people on this list and there may be some background

to

> > this

> > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a

> chart,

> > I

> > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if

> > you do

> > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

> > may be

> > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see

> no

> > mental

> > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars

(8th

> > and 4th

> > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet

Sun

> > in a

> > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon

closely

> > makes

> > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and

> > lagna in

> > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's

> > evils that

> > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the

> > paapa

> > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

perhaps

> > over

> > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

> > overcome.

> > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha

> > drishti on

> > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

> exalted

> > in

> > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the

> chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th

> is

> > so

> > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th

> > (even if

> > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

> > bhanga. The

> > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite

> good

> > for

> > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

> > mantrapada

> > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting

> them,

> > is a

> > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha

> > padas) are

> > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> meanings/feelings

> > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to

> > express

> > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters,

> > while

> > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> > Arudha

> > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that

> is

> > good

> > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > spiritual

> > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

> > liberation.

> > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly

> > sign in

> > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong

> > with

> > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

> given

> > by the

> > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation

is

> > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

> > see a

> > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person

> of

> > some

> > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

knowledge

> > and it

> > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I

> am

> > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want

> to

> > offer

> > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

> > criticism

> > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with

me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

> > lagna in

> > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

> > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

> > married.

> > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at

> the

> > end

> > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> >

>

March 30, 2008

Carolina,

// Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated

placed in 6'th house and afflicted with 8'th

lord saturn, moreover this Guru is vakri,Bhaskar,

What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

Group,Imagine what kind of mind he has got. //

My mind is here for every one to see.

i dont project myself as a spiritual

person able to heal thr citizens of

Tibet or China or think myself better

than Dalai lama, swami vivekananada,

etcetra

You better take some job in a resteaurant.

astrology is not your cup of tea.

Jupiter as 5th Lord than the 8th

Lord can never (Impossible) become

Saturn. Check the Vipareetha Rajayoga,

Check the results of retro Saturn

in own house conjunct with a debilitated

8th Lord Jupiter who is also retro.

Check the Constellations in which

these planets are placed,

and then come back to me.

Your mentor will never be able

to crack this,for he needs brains to

do this.

And whoever You are ,

reveal, your

real name/age/sex/location

and contact nos.

otherwise we presune you are a false id,

and in taht case not interested

in conversing with you any more.

BHASKAR.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> Group,

>

> Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house and

> afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

vakri,Bhaskar,

> What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation, Group,Imagine what

> kind of mind he has got.

>

> Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th house.

>

> Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting divine

> science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor he is

> able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness that he

is

> killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

>

> thanx,

> vcaroliina

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> >

> > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > lalit Mishra,

> >

> > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > with the 9th lord. //

> >

> > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > exchanged with 9th ?

> >

> > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> >

> > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > remedies posting.)

> >

> > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> >

> > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > other saint of their level has got activated

> > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> >

> > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > experiences. //

> >

> > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > there would be no difference ?

> > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > on them.

> >

> > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > planets.//

> >

> > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > in this case.

> >

> > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > few degrees. //

> > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > strong influence

> > eventually gives detachment. //

> >

> > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> >

> > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > the astrological reasoning, there

> > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> >

> > Which principles used are questionable and

> > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> >

> > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> >

> > sincerely Yours,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > >

> > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > Can we not too provide

> > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > i am not the least interested.

> > >

> > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > Where were You then ?

> > >

> > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > >

> > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > your so called native about whom you

> > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > him. Try it.

> > >

> > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > rouge person, does not go

> > > down the throat well enough.

> > >

> > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > and would always respect you.

> > >

> > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > >

> > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > >

> > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > which was the same action done on his

> > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > find positive then why should

> > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > and allowed to him ?

> > > But anyone else saying the

> > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > >

> > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > Sorry to say.

> > >

> > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > discussions.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

desirable

> to

> > > anything

> > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > > selected

> > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > hororscope,

> > > it is

> > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the

new

> > > findings,

> > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

default

> > > hororscopes

> > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > Probably one

> > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > >

> > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > further,

> > > you

> > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

reason.

> > > >

> > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the

> > exchange

> > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

> > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords

exchange

> > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart

> > from

> > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

> > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in

> the

> > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> sreemantah " .

> > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much

> > deeper

> > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > >

> > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

because

> > the

> > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon

is

> > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

with

> > the

> > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th

> lord

> > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu,

> > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

detachment

> > have

> > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for

mantra

> > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and

here

> he

> > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

> > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > >

> > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier,

the

> > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a

lot.

> To

> > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

because

> of

> > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the

> > native

> > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus

> and

> > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just

> > based

> > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > >

> > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

Aurobindo

> > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > experienced

> > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

commentaries

> > on

> > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read.

Swami

> > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also

had

> > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn

and

> > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted

> > planets.

> > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa

> > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > >

> > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord

alone

> > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

> > > >

> > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before.

> > First

> > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even

if

> > we

> > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was

> like

> > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune

within

> a

> > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief

> pontiff

> > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord

within a

> > > few degrees.

> > > >

> > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn

were

> > also

> > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

in

> > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected

him.

> > So

> > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

> > > >

> > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views

are

> > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

alternative

> > view

> > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts

being

> > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > unscholarly.

> > > >

> > > > This is a public forum where different views are aired. If

you

> > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

horoscope

> > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are

> > entitled

> > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who

> > disagree

> > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in

a

> > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ----------------------------

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> > > >

> > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of

> > JHora.

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to

defend

> > > himself, is

> > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> closely,

> > > would NOT

> > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark,

thanks

> > to

> > > your

> > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

disappointed

> > the

> > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software,

> can

> > > make so

> > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > >

> > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

desirable

> to

> > > anything

> > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > > selected

> > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > hororscope,

> > > it is

> > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the

new

> > > findings,

> > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

default

> > > hororscopes

> > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > Probably one

> > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with

his

> > > expletives

> > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is

often

> > seen

> > > in

> > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand

by

> > you

> > > > > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really

> > defending

> > > this

> > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

person

> of

> > > your

> > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > further,

> > > you

> > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

reason.

> > > > >

> > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > qualities,

> > > use

> > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

soul.

> > > Probably you

> > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are

> all

> > > out to

> > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

> > > nearest future

> > > > > !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > contribution

> > > to the

> > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters

through

> > > various

> > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > asking,

> > > makes me

> > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would personally

> > request

> > > you to

> > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> > latest

> > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would

find

> > > useful

> > > > > > data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

astrologically

> > on

> > > this

> > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

dealings

> > > between

> > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

background

> to

> > > this

> > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a

> > chart,

> > > I

> > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me

if

> > > you do

> > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " .

He

> > > may be

> > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I

see

> > no

> > > mental

> > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars

> (8th

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet

> Sun

> > > in a

> > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon

> closely

> > > makes

> > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon

and

> > > lagna in

> > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows

one's

> > > evils that

> > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on

the

> > > paapa

> > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

> perhaps

> > > over

> > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to

be

> > > overcome.

> > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha

> > > drishti on

> > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

> > exalted

> > > in

> > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the

> > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in

9th

> > is

> > > so

> > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in

5th

> > > (even if

> > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

> > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is

quite

> > good

> > > for

> > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

> > > mantrapada

> > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting

> > them,

> > > is a

> > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha

> > > padas) are

> > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used

to

> > > express

> > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

matters,

> > > while

> > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

them.

> > > Arudha

> > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and

that

> > is

> > > good

> > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

> > > liberation.

> > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a

friendly

> > > sign in

> > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is

strong

> > > with

> > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

> > given

> > > by the

> > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

liberation

> is

> > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do

not

> > > see a

> > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a

person

> > of

> > > some

> > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> knowledge

> > > and it

> > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment.

But I

> > am

> > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I

want

> > to

> > > offer

> > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

> > > criticism

> > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear

with

> me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with

upapada

> > > lagna in

> > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

> > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

> > > married.

> > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari

at

> > the

> > > end

> > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2008

Group,

Read in the light of the references from classics and books, these guys

are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten them but

even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in verse 27 while

describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little knowledge. " , he

further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he says –

" BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj Yoga

formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak Bhjarna says

about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious eater if

mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram Gato

va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial servant,

fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person makes

enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a person

anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons, vehicles and

servants.

Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published by Rupa in

page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase in problems

affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic discord, severe

illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster than

couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to crookedness.

BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to Judge a

horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that leads to

despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and excitability.

These bad things further intensified with the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again Dushita with

Rahu's influence.

It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed to be more

powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to Retro

Planets, more points means more power to function.

See one shloka :

!! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

(What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar doesnt

understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of creature

he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These Bhaskars, Sunil

Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still, they dont

respect the subject and people, always in search of opportunity to

snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard education in

astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap doctors

kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing astrology.

Thanx,

vcarolina.

, " astro.stdcaro " <astro.stdcaro

wrote:

>

> Group,

>

> Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house and

> afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is vakri,Bhaskar,

> What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation, Group,Imagine what

> kind of mind he has got.

>

> Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th house.

>

> Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting divine

> science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor he is

> able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness that he is

> killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

>

> thanx,

> vcaroliina

>

> , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> >

> > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > lalit Mishra,

> >

> > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > with the 9th lord. //

> >

> > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > exchanged with 9th ?

> >

> > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> >

> > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > remedies posting.)

> >

> > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> >

> > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > other saint of their level has got activated

> > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> >

> > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > experiences. //

> >

> > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > there would be no difference ?

> > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > on them.

> >

> > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > planets.//

> >

> > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > in this case.

> >

> > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > few degrees. //

> > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > strong influence

> > eventually gives detachment. //

> >

> > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> >

> > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > the astrological reasoning, there

> > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> >

> > Which principles used are questionable and

> > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> >

> > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> >

> > sincerely Yours,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > >

> > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > Can we not too provide

> > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > i am not the least interested.

> > >

> > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > Where were You then ?

> > >

> > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > >

> > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > your so called native about whom you

> > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > him. Try it.

> > >

> > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > rouge person, does not go

> > > down the throat well enough.

> > >

> > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > and would always respect you.

> > >

> > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > >

> > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > >

> > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > which was the same action done on his

> > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > find positive then why should

> > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > and allowed to him ?

> > > But anyone else saying the

> > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > >

> > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > Sorry to say.

> > >

> > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > discussions.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable

> to

> > > anything

> > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > > selected

> > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > hororscope,

> > > it is

> > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

> > > findings,

> > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

> > > hororscopes

> > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > Probably one

> > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > >

> > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > further,

> > > you

> > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> > > >

> > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the

> > exchange

> > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

> > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange

> > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart

> > from

> > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

> > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in

> the

> > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> sreemantah " .

> > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much

> > deeper

> > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > >

> > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because

> > the

> > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

> > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with

> > the

> > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th

> lord

> > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu,

> > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment

> > have

> > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra

> > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here

> he

> > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

> > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > >

> > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the

> > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot.

> To

> > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just because

> of

> > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the

> > native

> > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus

> and

> > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just

> > based

> > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > >

> > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo

> > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > experienced

> > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries

> > on

> > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami

> > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had

> > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and

> > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted

> > planets.

> > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa

> > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > >

> > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone

> > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

> > > >

> > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before.

> > First

> > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if

> > we

> > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was

> like

> > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within

> a

> > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief

> pontiff

> > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > few degrees.

> > > >

> > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were

> > also

> > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

> > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him.

> > So

> > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

> > > >

> > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are

> > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative

> > view

> > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being

> > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > unscholarly.

> > > >

> > > > This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

> > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

> > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are

> > entitled

> > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who

> > disagree

> > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a

> > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------------

> -

> > -

> > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------------

> -

> > -

> > > >

> > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of

> > JHora.

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

> > > himself, is

> > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> closely,

> > > would NOT

> > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks

> > to

> > > your

> > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed

> > the

> > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software,

> can

> > > make so

> > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > >

> > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable

> to

> > > anything

> > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

> > > selected

> > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > hororscope,

> > > it is

> > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

> > > findings,

> > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

> > > hororscopes

> > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > Probably one

> > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his

> > > expletives

> > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often

> > seen

> > > in

> > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by

> > you

> > > > > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really

> > defending

> > > this

> > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person

> of

> > > your

> > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > further,

> > > you

> > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> > > > >

> > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > qualities,

> > > use

> > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

> > > Probably you

> > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are

> all

> > > out to

> > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

> > > nearest future

> > > > > !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > contribution

> > > to the

> > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through

> > > various

> > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > asking,

> > > makes me

> > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would personally

> > request

> > > you to

> > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> > latest

> > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find

> > > useful

> > > > > > data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically

> > on

> > > this

> > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings

> > > between

> > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some background

> to

> > > this

> > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a

> > chart,

> > > I

> > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if

> > > you do

> > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

> > > may be

> > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see

> > no

> > > mental

> > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars

> (8th

> > > and 4th

> > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet

> Sun

> > > in a

> > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon

> closely

> > > makes

> > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and

> > > lagna in

> > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's

> > > evils that

> > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the

> > > paapa

> > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

> perhaps

> > > over

> > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

> > > overcome.

> > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha

> > > drishti on

> > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

> > exalted

> > > in

> > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the

> > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th

> > is

> > > so

> > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th

> > > (even if

> > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

> > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite

> > good

> > > for

> > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

> > > mantrapada

> > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting

> > them,

> > > is a

> > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha

> > > padas) are

> > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to

> > > express

> > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters,

> > > while

> > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> > > Arudha

> > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that

> > is

> > > good

> > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

> > > liberation.

> > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly

> > > sign in

> > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong

> > > with

> > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

> > given

> > > by the

> > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation

> is

> > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

> > > see a

> > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person

> > of

> > > some

> > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> knowledge

> > > and it

> > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I

> > am

> > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want

> > to

> > > offer

> > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

> > > criticism

> > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with

> me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

> > > lagna in

> > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

> > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

> > > married.

> > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at

> > the

> > > end

> > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2008

carolina,

First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

details.

Now coming 2 what u blabber -

//These bad things further intensified with

the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

lagna is again Dushita with

Rahu's influence.//

R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

Both cases despicable creature,though.

bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

8th house Lord too.

How is this possible.

U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

The references u have given,

even a first year student with

access to books on astrology can

pick and relate back.

Talk about the effects of a

conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

with a retro planet placed in own house.

Show me the references for this.

And now get out of this Forum

bcoz u r not fit for astrology

and wasting our time.

BHASKAR.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> Group,

>

> Read in the light of the references from classics and books, these

guys

> are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten them

but

> even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

>

> Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

>

> 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in verse 27

while

> describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little knowledge. " ,

he

> further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he says –

> " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

>

> Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj Yoga

> formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak Bhjarna

says

> about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious eater if

> mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

>

> Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram Gato

> va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

>

> Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial servant,

> fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person makes

> enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

> Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a person

> anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons, vehicles

and

> servants.

>

> Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published by

Rupa in

> page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase in

problems

> affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic discord,

severe

> illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster than

> couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

crookedness.

>

> BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to Judge a

> horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that leads to

> despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and excitability.

>

> These bad things further intensified with the fact that Bhasakr's

6'th

> placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again Dushita

with

> Rahu's influence.

>

> It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed to be

more

> powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to Retro

> Planets, more points means more power to function.

>

> See one shloka :

>

> !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

>

> (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar

doesnt

> understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of

creature

> he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

>

> Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These Bhaskars,

Sunil

> Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

>

> These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still, they

dont

> respect the subject and people, always in search of opportunity to

> snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard education

in

> astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap

doctors

> kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing

astrology.

>

> Thanx,

> vcarolina.

>

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Group,

> >

> > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house and

> > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

vakri,Bhaskar,

> > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation, Group,Imagine

what

> > kind of mind he has got.

> >

> > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th house.

> >

> > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting divine

> > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor he is

> > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness that he

is

> > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> >

> > thanx,

> > vcaroliina

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > >

> > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > lalit Mishra,

> > >

> > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > with the 9th lord. //

> > >

> > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > >

> > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > >

> > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > remedies posting.)

> > >

> > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > >

> > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > >

> > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > experiences. //

> > >

> > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > there would be no difference ?

> > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > on them.

> > >

> > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > planets.//

> > >

> > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > in this case.

> > >

> > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > few degrees. //

> > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > strong influence

> > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > >

> > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > >

> > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > >

> > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > >

> > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > >

> > > sincerely Yours,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > >

> > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > >

> > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > Where were You then ?

> > > >

> > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > >

> > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > him. Try it.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > >

> > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > and would always respect you.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > >

> > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > >

> > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > find positive then why should

> > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > >

> > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > Sorry to say.

> > > >

> > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > discussions.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

desirable

> > to

> > > > anything

> > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in

SJC

> > > > selected

> > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > hororscope,

> > > > it is

> > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the

new

> > > > findings,

> > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

default

> > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > > Probably one

> > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > > further,

> > > > you

> > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

reason.

> > > > >

> > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the

> > > exchange

> > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

> > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords

exchange

> > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga.

Apart

> > > from

> > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

> > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets

in

> > the

> > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > sreemantah " .

> > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much

> > > deeper

> > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

because

> > > the

> > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord

Moon is

> > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

with

> > > the

> > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th

> > lord

> > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains

Ketu,

> > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

detachment

> > > have

> > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for

mantra

> > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and

here

> > he

> > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

> > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

earlier, the

> > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a

lot.

> > To

> > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

because

> > of

> > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the

> > > native

> > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of

focus

> > and

> > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just

> > > based

> > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

Aurobindo

> > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > experienced

> > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

commentaries

> > > on

> > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read.

Swami

> > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society,

also had

> > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn

and

> > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted

> > > planets.

> > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

nirvikalpa

> > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > >

> > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord

alone

> > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

before.

> > > First

> > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics.

Even if

> > > we

> > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was

> > like

> > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune

within

> > a

> > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief

> > pontiff

> > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord

within a

> > > > few degrees.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn

were

> > > also

> > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had

Moon in

> > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected

him.

> > > So

> > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

> > > > >

> > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views

are

> > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

alternative

> > > view

> > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts

being

> > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > unscholarly.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a public forum where different views are aired. If

you

> > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

horoscope

> > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are

> > > entitled

> > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who

> > > disagree

> > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree

in a

> > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > --------------------------

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> > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version

of

> > > JHora.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to

defend

> > > > himself, is

> > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > closely,

> > > > would NOT

> > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark,

thanks

> > > to

> > > > your

> > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

disappointed

> > > the

> > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

software,

> > can

> > > > make so

> > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

desirable

> > to

> > > > anything

> > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in

SJC

> > > > selected

> > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > hororscope,

> > > > it is

> > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the

new

> > > > findings,

> > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

default

> > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

> > > > Probably one

> > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with

his

> > > > expletives

> > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is

often

> > > seen

> > > > in

> > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will

stand by

> > > you

> > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

ammunition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really

> > > defending

> > > > this

> > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

person

> > of

> > > > your

> > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality,

> > > further,

> > > > you

> > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

reason.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > > qualities,

> > > > use

> > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

> > > > Probably you

> > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are

> > all

> > > > out to

> > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

> > > > nearest future

> > > > > > !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > contribution

> > > > to the

> > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters

through

> > > > various

> > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > > asking,

> > > > makes me

> > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would personally

> > > request

> > > > you to

> > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the

> > > latest

> > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would

find

> > > > useful

> > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

astrologically

> > > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

dealings

> > > > between

> > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

background

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a

> > > chart,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive

me if

> > > > you do

> > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

deranged " . He

> > > > may be

> > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I

see

> > > no

> > > > mental

> > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars

> > (8th

> > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

planet

> > Sun

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon

> > closely

> > > > makes

> > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects

Moon and

> > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows

one's

> > > > evils that

> > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on

the

> > > > paapa

> > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

> > perhaps

> > > > over

> > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to

be

> > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant -

his

> > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th

graha

> > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

> > > exalted

> > > > in

> > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to

the

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in

9th

> > > is

> > > > so

> > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in

5th

> > > > (even if

> > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

> > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is

quite

> > > good

> > > > for

> > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9)

and

> > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

aspecting

> > > them,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

(arudha

> > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words

used to

> > > > express

> > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

matters,

> > > > while

> > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

them.

> > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and

that

> > > is

> > > > good

> > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart

of

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

> > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a

friendly

> > > > sign in

> > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is

strong

> > > > with

> > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

> > > given

> > > > by the

> > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

liberation

> > is

> > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I

do not

> > > > see a

> > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a

person

> > > of

> > > > some

> > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > knowledge

> > > > and it

> > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment.

But I

> > > am

> > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this

chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I

want

> > > to

> > > > offer

> > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate

some

> > > > criticism

> > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear

with

> > me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with

upapada

> > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

> > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

> > > > married.

> > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

Tripurasundari at

> > > the

> > > > end

> > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2008

So what ? Ya. So what.

At least this creature is known in reality

to all.

What about U ? Who R U ?

A creature, insect, a parasitical wriggling worm

in a underdeveloped childs stomache waiting to be

pushed out in the commode, a man, a women, a eunuch,

a gay, transverstite, a indian, A negro, a

pygmy, a castrated man , a homosexual, a old

man, a young women, a hairy faced lady, or a

female instincts ingrained women in the body

of a man. Who R U ?

reveal urself.

Then talk.

BHASKAR.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> Your deblitaed 5'th lord Jupitor is afflicted by 7'th lord Sani,

so

> what, u will remain same sort of creature.

>

> Speak Now

>

> vcarolina.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Carolina,

> >

> > // Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated

> > placed in 6'th house and afflicted with 8'th

> > lord saturn, moreover this Guru is vakri,Bhaskar,

> > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

> > Group,Imagine what kind of mind he has got. //

> >

> > My mind is here for every one to see.

> > i dont project myself as a spiritual

> > person able to heal thr citizens of

> > Tibet or China or think myself better

> > than Dalai lama, swami vivekananada,

> > etcetra

> >

> > You better take some job in a resteaurant.

> > astrology is not your cup of tea.

> > Jupiter as 5th Lord than the 8th

> > Lord can never (Impossible) become

> > Saturn. Check the Vipareetha Rajayoga,

> > Check the results of retro Saturn

> > in own house conjunct with a debilitated

> > 8th Lord Jupiter who is also retro.

> > Check the Constellations in which

> > these planets are placed,

> > and then come back to me.

> > Your mentor will never be able

> > to crack this,for he needs brains to

> > do this.

> >

> > And whoever You are ,

> > reveal, your

> > real name/age/sex/location

> > and contact nos.

> >

> > otherwise we presune you are a false id,

> > and in taht case not interested

> > in conversing with you any more.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

> >

> > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house and

> > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation, Group,Imagine

> what

> > > kind of mind he has got.

> > >

> > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th

house.

> > >

> > > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting

divine

> > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor he

is

> > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness that

he

> > is

> > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > >

> > > thanx,

> > > vcaroliina

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > >

> > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > >

> > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > >

> > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > >

> > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > >

> > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > remedies posting.)

> > > >

> > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > >

> > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > >

> > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > experiences. //

> > > >

> > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > on them.

> > > >

> > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > planets.//

> > > >

> > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > in this case.

> > > >

> > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > few degrees. //

> > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > strong influence

> > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > >

> > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > >

> > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > >

> > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > >

> > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > >

> > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > >

> > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > >

> > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > discussions.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > to

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in

> SJC

> > > > > selected

> > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > hororscope,

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

the

> > new

> > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

analysis -

> > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > further,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

> > reason.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said

the

> > > > exchange

> > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite*

the

> > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords

> > exchange

> > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga.

> Apart

> > > > from

> > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given

the

> > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

planets

> in

> > > the

> > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a

much

> > > > deeper

> > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

> > because

> > > > the

> > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord

Moon

> > is

> > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the

12th

> > > lord

> > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains

> Ketu,

> > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > detachment

> > > > have

> > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for

> > mantra

> > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and

> > here

> > > he

> > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

positive

> > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

earlier,

> > the

> > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a

> > lot.

> > > To

> > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

> > because

> > > of

> > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment,

the

> > > > native

> > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of

> focus

> > > and

> > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity

just

> > > > based

> > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

> > Aurobindo

> > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > > experienced

> > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > commentaries

> > > > on

> > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read.

> > Swami

> > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society,

also

> > had

> > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

Saturn

> > and

> > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

exalted

> > > > planets.

> > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> nirvikalpa

> > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord

> > alone

> > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

> before.

> > > > First

> > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics.

> Even

> > if

> > > > we

> > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who

was

> > > like

> > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune

> > within

> > > a

> > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief

> > > pontiff

> > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord

> > within a

> > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn

> > were

> > > > also

> > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had

Moon

> > in

> > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

aspected

> > him.

> > > > So

> > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

detachment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme

views

> > are

> > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > alternative

> > > > view

> > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts

> > being

> > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are aired.

If

> > you

> > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

> > horoscope

> > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are

> > > > entitled

> > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those

who

> > > > disagree

> > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

disagree

> in

> > a

> > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------------------

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

version

> of

> > > > JHora.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to

> > defend

> > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > closely,

> > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark,

> > thanks

> > > > to

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > disappointed

> > > > the

> > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> software,

> > > can

> > > > > make so

> > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > to

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in

> SJC

> > > > > selected

> > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > hororscope,

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

the

> > new

> > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

analysis -

> > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image

with

> > his

> > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is

> > often

> > > > seen

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will

> stand

> > by

> > > > you

> > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

ammunition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really

> > > > defending

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

> > person

> > > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > further,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same

> > reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

> > soul.

> > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you

> are

> > > all

> > > > > out to

> > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in

the

> > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > > contribution

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters

> > through

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > > > asking,

> > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

personally

> > > > request

> > > > > you to

> > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao "

> > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked

the

> > > > latest

> > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I

would

> > find

> > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > astrologically

> > > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

> > dealings

> > > > > between

> > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > background

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer

given a

> > > > chart,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

forgive

> me

> > if

> > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> deranged " .

> > He

> > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but

I

> > see

> > > > no

> > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by

Mars

> > > (8th

> > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

> planet

> > > Sun

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon

> > > closely

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects

Moon

> > and

> > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows

> > one's

> > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light

on

> > the

> > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and

> > > perhaps

> > > > > over

> > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs

to

> > be

> > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant -

> his

> > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th

> graha

> > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord

is

> > > > exalted

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to

> the

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon

in

> > 9th

> > > > is

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord

in

> > 5th

> > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has

neecha

> > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is

> > quite

> > > > good

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9)

> and

> > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> aspecting

> > > > them,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

> (arudha

> > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words

used

> > to

> > > > > express

> > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> > matters,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

> > them.

> > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa

and

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the

chart

> of

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house

of

> > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a

> > friendly

> > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is

> > strong

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of

siddhis

> > > > given

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

> > liberation

> > > is

> > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I

do

> > not

> > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a

> > person

> > > > of

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > > knowledge

> > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

judgment.

> > But I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this

> chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly,

I

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate

> some

> > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear

> > with

> > > me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with

> > upapada

> > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu.

In

> > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to

get

> > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

Tripurasundari

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > end

> > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2008

U WISH ME TO DISCUSS WITH WHOM ?

a MAN, WOMEN, IN BETWEN, A GAY

OR WHAT ?

WHO R U FIRST REVEAL URSELF.

WHOEVER UR , YET U R NOT EVEN

A CANDIDATE FOR A LEARNERS CATEGORY

U MUST DISCUSS ASTROLOGY WITH A

SCHOOL GOING CHILD FOR NEXT 5 YEARS

AND THEN COME TO ME . I SHALL

SEE THEN.

BHASKAR.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> Bhaaskar, I have clarified that the debilation of ur's 5'th lord

Guru

> and it's affliction by Sani in 6'th house whether Sani is 7'th

lord

> or 8'th lord will make u same sort of creature as said by even BV

> Raman and by Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets "

> published by Rupa in page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings

about

> an increase in problems affecting humanity.

>

> I can put up scanned copies of the books to let the group know

about

> u, what u are and why people should remian beware of u.

>

> Will u discuss, Sunil Nair's debilated moon in scorpio ?

>

> do u have courage, will Sunil Nair have courage ?

>

> Thanx,

> vcarolina.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > carolina,

> >

> > First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

> > details.

> >

> > Now coming 2 what u blabber -

> >

> > //These bad things further intensified with

> > the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

> > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

> > lagna is again Dushita with

> > Rahu's influence.//

> >

> > R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

> > Both cases despicable creature,though.

> > bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

> > 8th house Lord too.

> > How is this possible.

> > U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

> >

> > The references u have given,

> > even a first year student with

> > access to books on astrology can

> > pick and relate back.

> >

> > Talk about the effects of a

> > conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

> > with a retro planet placed in own house.

> > Show me the references for this.

> > And now get out of this Forum

> > bcoz u r not fit for astrology

> > and wasting our time.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

> >

> > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Group,

> > >

> > > Read in the light of the references from classics and books,

> these

> > guys

> > > are making so much noice, though this writing will enlighten

them

> > but

> > > even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

> > >

> > > Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

> > >

> > > 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in

verse

> 27

> > while

> > > describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little

knowledge. " ,

> > he

> > > further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he

says –

> > > " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

> > >

> > > Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta Raj

Yoga

> > > formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak

Bhjarna

> > says

> > > about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious eater

if

> > > mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

> > >

> > > Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago Vakram

Gato

> > > va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

> > >

> > > Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial

> servant,

> > > fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that person

> makes

> > > enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by Motilal

> > > Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a person

> > > anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons,

> vehicles

> > and

> > > servants.

> > >

> > > Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets " published

by

> > Rupa in

> > > page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an increase

in

> > problems

> > > affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic

discord,

> > severe

> > > illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more bluster

than

> > > couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

> > crookedness.

> > >

> > > BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to

Judge a

> > > horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that

leads to

> > > despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and

excitability.

> > >

> > > These bad things further intensified with the fact that

Bhasakr's

> > 6'th

> > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again

> Dushita

> > with

> > > Rahu's influence.

> > >

> > > It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are supposed to

be

> > more

> > > powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to

Retro

> > > Planets, more points means more power to function.

> > >

> > > See one shloka :

> > >

> > > !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

> > >

> > > (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology, Bhaskar

> > doesnt

> > > understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind of

> > creature

> > > he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

> > >

> > > Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These

Bhaskars,

> > Sunil

> > > Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal mind.

> > >

> > > These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still,

they

> > dont

> > > respect the subject and people, always in search of

opportunity to

> > > snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard

> education

> > in

> > > astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola Chhap

> > doctors

> > > kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are killing

> > astrology.

> > >

> > > Thanx,

> > > vcarolina.

> > >

> > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th house

and

> > > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

Group,Imagine

> > what

> > > > kind of mind he has got.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in 8'th

house.

> > > >

> > > > Let them examine themselves first why they are disrupting

divine

> > > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge nor

he

> is

> > > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness

that

> he

> > is

> > > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > > >

> > > > thanx,

> > > > vcaroliina

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > > >

> > > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > > >

> > > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > > >

> > > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > > >

> > > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > > remedies posting.)

> > > > >

> > > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > > experiences. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > > on them.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > > planets.//

> > > > >

> > > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > > in this case.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > > few degrees. //

> > > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > > strong influence

> > > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > > >

> > > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > > discussions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > > to

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

in

> > SJC

> > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

> the

> > new

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> analysis -

> > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

same

> > reason.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said

the

> > > > > exchange

> > > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite*

the

> > > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords

> > exchange

> > > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga.

> > Apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

given

> the

> > > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

planets

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a

much

> > > > > deeper

> > > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly

> > because

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord

> > Moon is

> > > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an

exchange

> > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the

> 12th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains

> > Ketu,

> > > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > detachment

> > > > > have

> > > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for

> > mantra

> > > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus

and

> > here

> > > > he

> > > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

positive

> > > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

> > earlier, the

> > > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon

a

> > lot.

> > > > To

> > > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly just

> > because

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment,

the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of

> > focus

> > > > and

> > > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity

> just

> > > > > based

> > > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

> > Aurobindo

> > > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo

> > > > > experienced

> > > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > commentaries

> > > > > on

> > > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever

read.

> > Swami

> > > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society,

> > also had

> > > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

Saturn

> > and

> > > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

exalted

> > > > > planets.

> > > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> > nirvikalpa

> > > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th

lord

> > alone

> > > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible

results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned

> > before.

> > > > > First

> > > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish

classics.

> > Even if

> > > > > we

> > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

who

> was

> > > > like

> > > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by

Neptune

> > within

> > > > a

> > > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current

chief

> > > > pontiff

> > > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord

> > within a

> > > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by

Saturn

> > were

> > > > > also

> > > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had

> > Moon in

> > > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

> aspected

> > him.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

detachment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme

> views

> > are

> > > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > alternative

> > > > > view

> > > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are

attempts

> > being

> > > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and

> > > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are

aired.

> If

> > you

> > > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his

> > horoscope

> > > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You

are

> > > > > entitled

> > > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully those

who

> > > > > disagree

> > > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

disagree

> > in a

> > > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > ----------------------

---

> -

> > -----

> > > > -

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

wisdom

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > ----------------------

---

> -

> > -----

> > > > -

> > > > > -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas "

> > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

version

> > of

> > > > > JHora.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody

to

> > defend

> > > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > > closely,

> > > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF

mark,

> > thanks

> > > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > disappointed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> > software,

> > > > can

> > > > > > make so

> > > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more

> > desirable

> > > > to

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but

in

> > SJC

> > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion

> > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include

> the

> > new

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a

> > default

> > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> analysis -

> > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image

with

> > his

> > > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he

is

> > often

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will

> > stand by

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

> > ammunition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are

really

> > > > > defending

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a

> > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

spirituality,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for the

same

> > reason.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen

soul.

> > > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior or

you

> are

> > > > all

> > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him

in

> the

> > > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your

> > > > > contribution

> > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters

> > through

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case, without

> > > > > asking,

> > > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

personally

> > > > > request

> > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and

checked

> the

> > > > > latest

> > > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I

would

> > find

> > > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > astrologically

> > > > > on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant

> > dealings

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > background

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer

given

> a

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

forgive

> > me if

> > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> > deranged " . He

> > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered,

but

> I

> > see

> > > > > no

> > > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by

> Mars

> > > > (8th

> > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery

> > planet

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and

Moon

> > > > closely

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects

> > Moon and

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that

shows

> > one's

> > > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws

light

> on

> > the

> > > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot

and

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that

needs

> to

> > be

> > > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a

quadrant -

> > his

> > > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th

> > graha

> > > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna

lord is

> > > > > exalted

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

to

> > the

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord

Moon

> in

> > 9th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord

in

> > 5th

> > > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has

> neecha

> > > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon

is

> > quite

> > > > > good

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada

(A9)

> > and

> > > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> > aspecting

> > > > > them,

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas

> > (arudha

> > > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words

> > used to

> > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> > matters,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related

to

> > them.

> > > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa

> and

> > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the

chart

> > of

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house

of

> > > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a

> > friendly

> > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra

is

> > strong

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of

> siddhis

> > > > > given

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of

> > liberation

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa,

I

> > do not

> > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but

a

> > person

> > > > > of

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and

visions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

judgment.

> > But I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart

publicly, I

> > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will

tolerate

> > some

> > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please

bear

> > with

> > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult

with

> > upapada

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with

Ketu. In

> > > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult

to

> get

> > > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

> > Tripurasundari at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

March 30, 2008

Do not talk behind womens veil.

reveal urself.

, " astro.stdcaro "

<astro.stdcaro wrote:

>

> your mail is a reflection of debilitation of ur 5'th lord and

further

> affliction by 7'th lord Sani again that in 6'th house, which makes

u

> this type of creature?discuss ur chart with urself, should we

> include Rahu's influence also in ur persona, to give u an

> understanding, a revealation of the type of creature ur, r u not a

> criminal of astrology ?

>

> because of distortion that u do to astro principles, astrology

will

> be seen with great doubts and disrespect.

>

> in fact, without knowledge u started projecting urself an

astrologer

> and now getting a beating everywhere, Lalit shown ur level to u in

> his group before members, that was his kindness for u, thinking u

> will improve urself but u started his character killing, ur own

> chart is before everybody ..

>

> ha ha ha ha.

>

> vcarolina !

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > U WISH ME TO DISCUSS WITH WHOM ?

> > a MAN, WOMEN, IN BETWEN, A GAY

> > OR WHAT ?

> >

> > WHO R U FIRST REVEAL URSELF.

> >

> > WHOEVER UR , YET U R NOT EVEN

> > A CANDIDATE FOR A LEARNERS CATEGORY

> >

> > U MUST DISCUSS ASTROLOGY WITH A

> > SCHOOL GOING CHILD FOR NEXT 5 YEARS

> > AND THEN COME TO ME . I SHALL

> > SEE THEN.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

> >

> > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaaskar, I have clarified that the debilation of ur's 5'th

lord

> > Guru

> > > and it's affliction by Sani in 6'th house whether Sani is 7'th

> > lord

> > > or 8'th lord will make u same sort of creature as said by even

BV

> > > Raman and by Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of

planets "

> > > published by Rupa in page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th

brings

> > about

> > > an increase in problems affecting humanity.

> > >

> > > I can put up scanned copies of the books to let the group know

> > about

> > > u, what u are and why people should remian beware of u.

> > >

> > > Will u discuss, Sunil Nair's debilated moon in scorpio ?

> > >

> > > do u have courage, will Sunil Nair have courage ?

> > >

> > > Thanx,

> > > vcarolina.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > carolina,

> > > >

> > > > First reveal ur name/age/sex/location/contact

> > > > details.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming 2 what u blabber -

> > > >

> > > > //These bad things further intensified with

> > > > the fact that Bhasakr's 6'th

> > > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his

> > > > lagna is again Dushita with

> > > > Rahu's influence.//

> > > >

> > > > R U a first class idiot or a first class fool ?

> > > > Both cases despicable creature,though.

> > > > bhaskars saturn placed in 6th house is

> > > > 8th house Lord too.

> > > > How is this possible.

> > > > U have revealed u r lalit and no one else.

> > > >

> > > > The references u have given,

> > > > even a first year student with

> > > > access to books on astrology can

> > > > pick and relate back.

> > > >

> > > > Talk about the effects of a

> > > > conjunction of a retro deilitated planet

> > > > with a retro planet placed in own house.

> > > > Show me the references for this.

> > > > And now get out of this Forum

> > > > bcoz u r not fit for astrology

> > > > and wasting our time.

> > > >

> > > > BHASKAR.

> > > >

> > > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > > <astro.stdcaro@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Read in the light of the references from classics and

books,

> > > these

> > > > guys

> > > > > are making so much noice, though this writing will

enlighten

> > them

> > > > but

> > > > > even for the interest of Group, I have to present it -

> > > > >

> > > > > Retro Sani's abnormal behavior in 6'th house:

> > > > >

> > > > > 6'th house is a randhra, Bhrigusutra says " Alpgyatih " in

> > verse

> > > 27

> > > > while

> > > > > describing Sani in 6'th house that means " a little

> > knowledge. " ,

> > > > he

> > > > > further says " AlpRajYogah " in verse 29 and in verse 30 he

> > says –

> > > > > " BhangYogat Kevachit Saukhya Kevachit UdyogaBhangaha " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Means this sort of placement is an exception to Vipreeta

Raj

> > Yoga

> > > > > formed by 8'th lord in 6'th and a arishta as well, Jarak

> > Bhjarna

> > > > says

> > > > > about eating habbits - such a person may be a voracious

> eater

> > if

> > > > > mercury dosn't reduces the jatharagni.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jatak Parijata says – Shatru Sthan gatoh NeechaGrihago

Vakram

> > Gato

> > > > > va Astgo, AnekaratiJano BahuKschhat Tanuh Sasthadipo

> > > > >

> > > > > Means lots of enemies and wounds, Now why, is a celestial

> > > servant,

> > > > > fills deep tamasik instincts in a person becoz of that

person

> > > makes

> > > > > enmity with people, LagnaChandra Prakash published by

Motilal

> > > > > Banarasidas says in it's page 85 that Vakri Sani makes a

> person

> > > > > anguished and publically humiliated even he has got sons,

> > > vehicles

> > > > and

> > > > > servants.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri A K khurana in his book " The Power of planets "

published

> > by

> > > > Rupa in

> > > > > page 156 says Such a Saturn in 6'th brings about an

increase

> > in

> > > > problems

> > > > > affecting humanity, all sorts of hardships and domestic

> > discord,

> > > > severe

> > > > > illness and tissue problem. A humdrum life and more

bluster

> > than

> > > > > couracage. Such a Sani is called Vishamsheelam leading to

> > > > crookedness.

> > > > >

> > > > > BV Raman Says in the page 252 of his famous book " How to

> > Judge a

> > > > > horoscope " If Jupitor is afflicted by Saturn or Rahu that

> > leads to

> > > > > despondency, abnormal mental behavior, hardship and

> > excitability.

> > > > >

> > > > > These bad things further intensified with the fact that

> > Bhasakr's

> > > > 6'th

> > > > > placed Sani is 8'th house lord too, and his lagna is again

> > > Dushita

> > > > with

> > > > > Rahu's influence.

> > > > >

> > > > > It w'd be good to understand why retro plaents are

supposed

> to

> > be

> > > > more

> > > > > powerful, Pls. note that Parashara gives full 60 points to

> > Retro

> > > > > Planets, more points means more power to function.

> > > > >

> > > > > See one shloka :

> > > > >

> > > > > !! ChestaBalino Vakraste Chotkat Falpradaye Grahaah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > (What a shame that afte spending 25 yrs in Astrology,

Bhaskar

> > > > doesnt

> > > > > understand behavior of retroplanets, doesnt know what kind

of

> > > > creature

> > > > > he is, Reason NO STUDY, NO KNOWLEDGE OF CLASSISC)

> > > > >

> > > > > Group, U are watching conspiracies of criminals, These

> > Bhaskars,

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > Nair's are contamilting astrology with their criminal

mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > These guys gets their food by astrology in the net, still,

> > they

> > > > dont

> > > > > respect the subject and people, always in search of

> > opportunity to

> > > > > snatch ur money, beware, moreveor, they have no standard

> > > education

> > > > in

> > > > > astrology, you are watching some drop outs, like Jhola

Chhap

> > > > doctors

> > > > > kill medical science these Bhasklars and Sunil's are

killing

> > > > astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx,

> > > > > vcarolina.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astro.stdcaro "

> > > > <astro.stdcaro@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar's 5'th lord Guru is debilated placed in 6'th

house

> > and

> > > > > > afflicted with 8'th lord saturn, moreover this Guru is

> > > > vakri,Bhaskar,

> > > > > > What are ur views on ur 5'th lord debilitation,

> > Group,Imagine

> > > > what

> > > > > > kind of mind he has got.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil Nair's moon is again debilitated and placed in

8'th

> > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let them examine themselves first why they are

disrupting

> > divine

> > > > > > science of astrology, neither Bhaskar has any knowledge

nor

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > > able to analyse anything, look at his stupid ingrateness

> > that

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > killing the respect of Jyotish with his mean tricks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanx,

> > > > > > vcaroliina

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Narsimha Rao Sahab,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the

> > > > > > > shallow waters of thumbrules. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This should be taught to your friend Mr.

> > > > > > > lalit Mishra,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Saying that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > > properly because the 5th lord is debilitated is

> > > > > > > questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated,

> > > > > > > he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange

> > > > > > > with the 9th lord. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What would be the quality of this exchange ?

> > > > > > > Would it not be worse than a strong 5th

> > > > > > > exchanged with 9th ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> > > > > > > the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

> > > > > > > But what about your friend. he must be tauight

> > > > > > > this. He says " It's a myth that Saturn can

> > > > > > > take one to God, No Sir, it cant, "

> > > > > > > ( I have put his comment on the Jyotish

> > > > > > > remedies posting.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

> > > > > > > Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana from

> > > > > > > Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence

> > > > > > > on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

> > > > > > > " neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor

> > > > > > > Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any

> > > > > > > other saint of their level has got activated

> > > > > > > 8'th house " I have put his comment on

> > > > > > > the Jyotish remedies posting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // To say that this native cannot even meditate

> > > > > > > properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation

> > > > > > > is questionable.In my judgment, the native is

> > > > > > > quite capable of meditating with a very high l

> > > > > > > evel of focus and detachment and get occult

> > > > > > > experiences. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do not just harper on the statement made with

> > > > > > > regards to Meditation. But still if you wish,

> > > > > > > and say that the 5th lords debilitation would

> > > > > > > bring about capabilityin meditating, then what

> > > > > > > would happen if the 5th Lord is strong ?

> > > > > > > there would be no difference ?

> > > > > > > What about the other negatives ascibed to the

> > > > > > > Moon or the 5th lord. What are Your comments

> > > > > > > on them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

> > > > > > > planets.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We know this. And we dont just make comments

> > > > > > > on looking at a debilitation only. I have also

> > > > > > > mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets

> > > > > > > in this case.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

> > > > > > > mentioned before. First of all, Neptune is not

> > > > > > > mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

> > > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

> > > > > > > Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself,

> > > > > > > had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

> > > > > > > couple of degrees.Swami Jayendra Saraswati,

> > > > > > > current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also

> > > > > > > has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

> > > > > > > few degrees. //

> > > > > > > // Moon being in Saturn's star and being

> > > > > > > aspected by Saturn were also mentioned. Well,

> > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon

> > > > > > > in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha)

> > > > > > > and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's

> > > > > > > strong influence

> > > > > > > eventually gives detachment. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is Varuna ? What is Prajapati ?

> > > > > > > I can also produce charts of Neptune conjunct

> > > > > > > 5th lords ,producing fakes,maniacs and dual

> > > > > > > personalities. There is nothing great in

> > > > > > > subjective talking. Producing charts both side

> > > > > > > can be a endless exchange and a waste of time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // I respect you guys for your views, but these

> > > > > > > extreme views are based on questionable principles

> > > > > > > .When I provide an alternative view and provide

> > > > > > > the astrological reasoning, there

> > > > > > > are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

> > > > > > > This is unfortunate and unscholarly. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which principles used are questionable and

> > > > > > > which ones used by You are not ? Sir no talking

> > > > > > > in air. please authenticate your statement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry if I have hurt you,i can produce ample

> > > > > > > charts to substantiate what i have written,

> > > > > > > but it is a unnecessary waste of tim and labour

> > > > > > > for a unworthy cause. I am also not on any EGO

> > > > > > > Trip and'have no intentions of trying to act

> > > > > > > smart by arguing with people of Your stature,

> > > > > > > whom I treat as a Real guru.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely Yours,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nmaste Rao Sahab,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any astrologer can be good, only if

> > > > > > > > he is honest in his appraisal and

> > > > > > > > justice minded. I ask you where were

> > > > > > > > You when this person commented negative on my

> > > > > > > > chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

> > > > > > > > Did you not find any references and do

> > > > > > > > hard work as You have done just now to

> > > > > > > > substantiate Your assessment ?

> > > > > > > > Can we not too provide

> > > > > > > > authentic birth data of great Criminals

> > > > > > > > and scum of society, to prove our

> > > > > > > > points ? But what is the sense of this

> > > > > > > > time wasting and trying to keep face.

> > > > > > > > i am not the least interested.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

> > > > > > > > being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

> > > > > > > > why was it not given to the person whom you

> > > > > > > > defended , when he spoke about my

> > > > > > > > debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

> > > > > > > > 5th Lord in my chart.

> > > > > > > > Where were You then ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And how many can claim to give the actual

> > > > > > > > results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

> > > > > > > > saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

> > > > > > > > person you defended is capable of that ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

> > > > > > > > your so called native about whom you

> > > > > > > > speak in high reverence. But no amount of

> > > > > > > > your astrological prowess would be able

> > > > > > > > to prove otherwise than what I have said about

> > > > > > > > him. Try it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

> > > > > > > > eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

> > > > > > > > one act of yours of defending this

> > > > > > > > rouge person, does not go

> > > > > > > > down the throat well enough.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But be what it may be, I still respect you,

> > > > > > > > and would always respect you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

> > > > > > > > for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

> > > > > > > > we have better work to do rather than hate human

> > > > > > > > beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

> > > > > > > > brought about this hate. Which also would never

> > > > > > > > be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At least I am the last person to carry such base

> > > > > > > > feelings for anyone for a long period.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

> > > > > > > > is just a re-action of his action

> > > > > > > > which was the same action done on his

> > > > > > > > part with regards to my chart and behaviour

> > > > > > > > with other elderly persons. How

> > > > > > > > do you justify that ? If he could not

> > > > > > > > find positive then why should

> > > > > > > > we look for positives in his chart ?

> > > > > > > > its as simple as that. manipulating

> > > > > > > > astrological principles can done by him

> > > > > > > > and allowed to him ?

> > > > > > > > But anyone else saying the

> > > > > > > > truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

> > > > > > > > What is this Rao Sahab ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are just trying to imitate Ram

> > > > > > > > jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

> > > > > > > > Sorry to say.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

> > > > > > > > to you, therefore let us put this

> > > > > > > > story behind us, if we can. A good man like

> > > > > > > > you does not look good in our midst in

> > > > > > > > such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

> > > > > > > > discussions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > Rao "

> > > > > > > > <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are

more

> > > > desirable

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad,

but

> > in

> > > > SJC

> > > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of

discussion

> > > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

> include

> > > the

> > > > new

> > > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart "

as a

> > > > default

> > > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > > analysis -

> > > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> > spirituality,

> > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for

the

> > same

> > > > reason.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I

said

> > the

> > > > > > > exchange

> > > > > > > > between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here,

> *despite*

> > the

> > > > > > > > debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th

> lords

> > > > exchange

> > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja

> yoga.

> > > > Apart

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

> > given

> > > the

> > > > > > > > reasoning behind my views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated

> > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va

> > > > > > sreemantah " .

> > > > > > > > Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha

is a

> > much

> > > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > > ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saying that this native cannot even meditate

properly

> > > > because

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th

> lord

> > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > > debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an

> > exchange

> > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon

> contains

> > > > Ketu,

> > > > > > > > karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with

> > > > detachment

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent

> for

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord

Venus

> > and

> > > > here

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the

> > positive

> > > > > > > > influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned

> > > > earlier, the

> > > > > > > > above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord

> Moon

> > a

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > To

> > > > > > > > say that this native cannot even meditate properly

just

> > > > because

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > 5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my

> judgment,

> > the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > is quite capable of meditating with a very high

level

> of

> > > > focus

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > detachment and get occult experiences.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > IMHO, predicting terrible results of great

> specificity

> > > just

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many great spiritual giants had debilitated

planets.

> > > > Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine.

Aurobindo

> > > > > > > experienced

> > > > > > > > the highest truths of this creation directly and his

> > > > commentaries

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever

> > read.

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life

> Society,

> > > > also had

> > > > > > > > the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by

> > Saturn

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no

> > exalted

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced

> > > > nirvikalpa

> > > > > > > > samadhi in the last century.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the

5th

> > lord

> > > > alone

> > > > > > > > cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible

> > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also

mentioned

> > > > before.

> > > > > > > First

> > > > > > > > of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish

> > classics.

> > > > Even if

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara

Saraswati,

> > who

> > > was

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by

> > Neptune

> > > > within

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current

> > chief

> > > > > > pontiff

> > > > > > > > of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th

> lord

> > > > within a

> > > > > > > > few degrees.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by

> > Saturn

> > > > were

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also

> had

> > > > Moon in

> > > > > > > > Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn

> > > aspected

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives

> > detachment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I respect you guys for your views, but these

extreme

> > > views

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > based on questionable principles. When I provide an

> > > > alternative

> > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > and provide the astrological reasoning, there are

> > attempts

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate

and

> > > > > > > unscholarly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is a public forum where different views are

> > aired.

> > > If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that

his

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine.

You

> > are

> > > > > > > entitled

> > > > > > > > to your views. But please do not attack and bully

those

> > who

> > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

> > disagree

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > > respectful and civil manner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > ------------------

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> -

> > ---

> > > -

> > > > -----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

> > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > ------------------

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> -

> > ---

> > > -

> > > > -----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " sreeram

> srinivas "

> > > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded

> > version

> > > > of

> > > > > > > JHora.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Feel, you are apparently being invited by

somebody

> > to

> > > > defend

> > > > > > > > himself, is

> > > > > > > > > > using your good name . Those who know this person

> > > > > > closely,

> > > > > > > > would NOT

> > > > > > > > > > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF

> > mark,

> > > > thanks

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > carefully worded message, else, it would surely

> > > > disappointed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > general users of JHORA that a person behind such

> > > > software,

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > make so

> > > > > > > > > > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It appears debilitated planets in trines are

more

> > > > desirable

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad,

but

> > in

> > > > SJC

> > > > > > > > selected

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes which includes the subject of

discussion

> > > > > > > hororscope,

> > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > all gives good results ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to

> include

> > > the

> > > > new

> > > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > > PVR Raoji ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart "

as a

> > > > default

> > > > > > > > hororscopes

> > > > > > > > > > in all your future releases of JHORA with your

> > > analysis -

> > > > > > > > Probably one

> > > > > > > > > > day realization may dawn upon you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you are scared that he would tarnish your

image

> > with

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > expletives

> > > > > > > > > > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as

he

> > is

> > > > often

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > every group, then you have my assurance, that I

> will

> > > > stand by

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > against this man with all my other friends and

> > > > ammunition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are

> > really

> > > > > > > defending

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to

know a

> > > > person

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided

> > spirituality,

> > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > should also partake some of his bad karma for

the

> > same

> > > > reason.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some

> virtuous

> > > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > them to side with goodness, but not for the

fallen

> > soul.

> > > > > > > > Probably you

> > > > > > > > > > do not know anything of this person's behavior

or

> > you

> > > are

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to

him

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > nearest future

> > > > > > > > > > !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and

your

> > > > > > > contribution

> > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > software and your sincerity shown in certain

> matters

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > debates, but your blind support in this case,

> without

> > > > > > > asking,

> > > > > > > > makes me

> > > > > > > > > > to re-think of the image that I have long

carried.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is never too late for anything....I would

> > personally

> > > > > > > request

> > > > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > > seriously rethink on above.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

> > P.V.R.

> > > > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and

> > checked

> > > the

> > > > > > > latest

> > > > > > > > > > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought

I

> > would

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond

> > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > data. I realize that there may be some

unpleasant

> > > > dealings

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > some people on this list and there may be some

> > > > background

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > that I am unaware of. However, as an

astrologer

> > given

> > > a

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please

> > forgive

> > > > me if

> > > > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > > > not welcome my comments.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally

> > > > deranged " . He

> > > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-

tempered,

> > but

> > > I

> > > > see

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > mental

> > > > > > > > > > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned

below.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely

aspected

> by

> > > Mars

> > > > > > (8th

> > > > > > > > and 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another

fiery

> > > > planet

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna

and

> > Moon

> > > > > > closely

> > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars

> aspects

> > > > Moon and

> > > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that

> > shows

> > > > one's

> > > > > > > > evils that

> > > > > > > > > > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws

> > light

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > paapa

> > > > > > > > > > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within

one.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very

hot

> > and

> > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that

> > needs

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > overcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a

> > quadrant -

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as

> 3/4th

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > drishti on

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna

> > lord is

> > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic

strength

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord

> > Moon

> > > in

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th

> lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > (even if

> > > > > > > > > > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he

has

> > > neecha

> > > > > > > > bhanga. The

> > > > > > > > > > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord

Moon

> > is

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress. The placement of

devatapada

> > (A9)

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mantrapada

> > > > > > > > > > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit.

Padas

> > > > (arudha

> > > > > > > > padas) are

> > > > > > > > > > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to

> > > > > > > meanings/feelings

> > > > > > > > > > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the

> words

> > > > used to

> > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > > them are tangible. The houses can show

intangible

> > > > matters,

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > > > > > > padas are very important.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in

> navamsa

> > > and

> > > > that

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20),

the

> > chart

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th

> house

> > of

> > > > > > > > liberation.

> > > > > > > > > > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is

in

> a

> > > > friendly

> > > > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of

mantra

> > is

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house

of

> > > siddhis

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord

of

> > > > liberation

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and

> vimsamsa,

> > I

> > > > do not

> > > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations,

but

> > a

> > > > person

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and

> > visions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good

as my

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and

> > judgment.

> > > > But I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at

> this

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart

> > publicly, I

> > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > offer

> > > > > > > > > > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will

> > tolerate

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > > > from me, I will give some honest advice.

Please

> > bear

> > > > with

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult

> > with

> > > > upapada

> > > > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with

> > Ketu. In

> > > > > > > > navamsa, 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is

difficult

> > to

> > > get

> > > > > > > > married.

> > > > > > > > > > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita

> > > > Tripurasundari at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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