Debilitation of 5th lord - to Narasimha

March 30, 2008

Dear Narasimha,

Please correct me if I make a wrong astrological statement below.

" In my opinion, when an exchange takes place, the planets in parivartana

behave as if they are in their own signs (as a resultant of exchange).

Hence, in this particular case, though Moon is placed in the sign of

debilitation, it does not behave like a debilitated planet due to parivartana

and behaves as if it is placed in its own sign. "

I am looking forward to your opinion on the baove statement.

Regards,

Krishna

" Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

Namaste friends,

> It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to anything

> else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

>

> Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is

> all gives good results ??

>

> Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings,

> PVR Raoji ??

>

> Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default hororscopes

> in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one

> day realization may dawn upon you.

>

> it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the exchange between 5th

and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the debilitation of the 5th lord.

When the 5th and 9th lords exchange houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a

nice raja yoga. Apart from rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and

given the reasoning behind my views.

In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in the same breath, in

the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va sreemantah " . Debilitation need not be

terrible always. Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the shallow waters of

thumbrules.

Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the 5th lord is

debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated, he is in

devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the 9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th

lord Moon contains the 12th lord of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon

contains Ketu, karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment

have a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra sadhana.

Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana

from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence on 8th lord, who shows occult

experiences.

Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the above pachakadi

sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot. To say that this native cannot

even meditate properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation is questionable.

In my judgment, the native is quite capable of meditating with a very high level

of focus and detachment and get occult experiences.

* * *

IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just based on the

debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo Ghose had the 5th

lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo experienced the highest truths of this

creation directly and his commentaries on Veda and Upanidhad are the most

inspired I have ever read. Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life

Society, also had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn

and Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted planets. He is

one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa samadhi in the last

century.

Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone cannot be a

criterion for giving so many terrible results.

Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First of all,

Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we accept outer

planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva Himself, had

the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra

Saraswati, current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the

5th lord within a few degrees.

Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were also mentioned.

Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in Saturn's nakshatra (same

one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him. So what? Saturn's strong influence

eventually gives detachment.

I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are based on

questionable principles. When I provide an alternative view and provide the

astrological reasoning, there are attempts being made to attack and/or bully me.

This is unfortunate and unscholarly.

This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you absolutely hate

somebody and want to believe that his horoscope justifies your extreme views on

him, that is fine. You are entitled to your views. But please do not attack and

bully those who disagree with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can

disagree in a respectful and civil manner.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote:

>

> Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

>

> Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

>

> Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend himself, is

> using your good name . Those who know this person closely, would NOT

> agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to your

> carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

> general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can make so

> many " incorrect predictions " !!

>

> It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to anything

> else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

>

> Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is

> all gives good results ??

>

> Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings,

> PVR Raoji ??

>

> Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default hororscopes

> in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one

> day realization may dawn upon you.

>

> If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his expletives

> is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen in

> every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

> against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

>

> Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending this

> " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

>

> Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities, use

> them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul. Probably you

> do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all out to

> make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the nearest future

> !!

>

> Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution to the

> software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through various

> debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking, makes me

> to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

>

> It is never too late for anything....I would personally request you to

> seriously rethink on above.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > pvr@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

> > data.

> > >

> > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

> > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> > some people on this list and there may be some background to this

> > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I

> > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do

> > not welcome my comments.

> > >

> > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

> > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > >

> > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

> > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes

> > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in

> > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that

> > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

> > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > >

> > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

> > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on

> > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in

> > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> > >

> > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

> > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

> > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada

> > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a

> > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are

> > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express

> > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

> > padas are very important.

> > >

> > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good

> > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation.

> > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

> > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

> > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the

> > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > >

> > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > >

> > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it

> > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer

> > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > >

> > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

> > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

> > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end

> > of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

> > >

> > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in

> > D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> > will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility

> > is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this

> > subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I

> > learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the

> > last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

> > several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I

> > know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

> > mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > >

> > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace,

> > after you develop true humility.

> > >

> > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

> > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion

> > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise

> > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

> > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more

> > to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

> > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not

> > stagnate where you are now.

> > >

> > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

> > are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are

> > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and

> > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of

> > Her different forms.

> > >

> > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality

> > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality

> > for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart

> > (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome

> > your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

> > also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> > comments on some sentiments I observed here.

> > >

> > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean

> > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also

> > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If

> > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other

> > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason.

> > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

> > needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> > calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

> > noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

> > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

> > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

> > which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge

> > and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has

> > to play. No more and no less.

> > >

> > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> > other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has

> > a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever

> > he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be

> > clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

> > are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over

> > some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> > >

> > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

> > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

> > >

> > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

> > egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

> > samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

> > understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it

> > works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

> > expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds

> > of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects

> > of maayaa.

> > >

> > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

March 30, 2008

Dear Krishnaji,

Sorry to enter this thread.

First of all I am not of the

favour that in this case both

houses have

exchanged their Lords. i would

treat normally Mars.he

5th House as per my little

knowledge.

Next even if any parivartana is

cited and allowed in above case,

keeping ketu as the 5th lord,I would

consider it as a most ordinary

parivartana, and not any thing

beyond it.

Any powerful parivartana Yoga must

be recognised, as per my knowledge,

only if the exchange is in terms of

constellation,ie. if the 2 planets are

placed in each others constellation,

which is not so, in this case.

To make it a powerful exchange

Moon should have been in nakshatra

of Mars.

Further, If I am not mistaken Budha

is placed in the 5th House, and Budha

is considered to be a Badhaksthandhipati,

so how will it ncrease the potential of the

5th house, I am unable to understand.

It must on the contrary produce badhas.

I do not view the exchange of Moon as a

significant one.

This is of course my personal view,

and one is free to disagree.

regards,

bhaskar.

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Please correct me if I make a wrong astrological statement below.

>

> " In my opinion, when an exchange takes place, the planets in

parivartana behave as if they are in their own signs (as a resultant

of exchange).

>

> Hence, in this particular case, though Moon is placed in the

sign of debilitation, it does not behave like a debilitated planet

due to parivartana and behaves as if it is placed in its own sign. "

>

> I am looking forward to your opinion on the baove statement.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope,

it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further,

you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

>

> I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the exchange

between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange

houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart from

rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

reasoning behind my views.

>

> In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in the

same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va sreemantah " .

Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much deeper

ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

>

> Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the

5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the

9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th lord

of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu,

karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment have

a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra

sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he

is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

>

> Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the

above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot. To

say that this native cannot even meditate properly just because of

5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the native

is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus and

detachment and get occult experiences.

>

> * * *

>

> IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just based

on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

>

> Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo

Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo experienced

the highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries on

Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami

Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had

the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and

Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted planets.

He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa

samadhi in the last century.

>

> Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone

cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

>

> Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First

of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like

Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief pontiff

of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

few degrees.

>

> Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were also

mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him. So

what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

>

> I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are

based on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative view

and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being

made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and unscholarly.

>

> This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are entitled

to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who disagree

with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a

respectful and civil manner.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> , " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> >

> > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

> >

> > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

himself, is

> > using your good name . Those who know this person closely, would

NOT

> > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to

your

> > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

> > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can

make so

> > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> >

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope,

it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his

expletives

> > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen

in

> > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

> > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> >

> > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending

this

> > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of

your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further,

you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> >

> > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities,

use

> > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

Probably you

> > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all

out to

> > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

nearest future

> > !!

> >

> > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution

to the

> > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through

various

> > debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking,

makes me

> > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> >

> > It is never too late for anything....I would personally request

you to

> > seriously rethink on above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find

useful

> > > data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on

this

> > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings

between

> > > some people on this list and there may be some background to

this

> > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart,

I

> > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if

you do

> > > not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

may be

> > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no

mental

> > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th

and 4th

> > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun

in a

> > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely

makes

> > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and

lagna in

> > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's

evils that

> > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the

paapa

> > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps

over

> > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

overcome.

> > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha

drishti on

> > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted

in

> > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is

so

> > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th

(even if

> > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

bhanga. The

> > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good

for

> > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

mantrapada

> > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them,

is a

> > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha

padas) are

> > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to

express

> > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters,

while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

Arudha

> > > padas are very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

good

> > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

spiritual

> > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

liberation.

> > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly

sign in

> > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong

with

> > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given

by the

> > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

see a

> > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of

some

> > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge

and it

> > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

offer

> > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

criticism

> > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

lagna in

> > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

navamsa, 7th

> > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

married.

> > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the

end

> > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

> > > >

> > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in

lagna in

> > > D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart.

You

> > > will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that

humility

> > > is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that

this

> > > subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it.

I

> > > learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time

in the

> > > last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

> > > several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that

what I

> > > know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am

not

> > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at

the

> > > mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > >

> > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show

some

> > > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others

and

> > > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her

grace,

> > > after you develop true humility.

> > > >

> > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> > > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000

times more

> > > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some

discretion

> > > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much

noise

> > > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

> > > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much

more

> > > to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

> > > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do

not

> > > stagnate where you are now.

> > > >

> > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and

sadness

> > > are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms.

Learned

> > > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance

are

> > > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your

anger and

> > > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and

all of

> > > Her different forms.

> > > >

> > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

personality

> > > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > > transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your

personality

> > > for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your

chart

> > > (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you

overcome

> > > your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish

world and

> > > also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in

you.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences

and

> > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> > > comments on some sentiments I observed here.

> > > >

> > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not

mean

> > > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality

(also

> > > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master

it. If

> > > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that

other

> > > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some

reason.

> > > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

> > > needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role

without

> > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> > > calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role

and " achievements "

> > > seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

> > > noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

> > > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may

sometimes even

> > > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

> > > which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the

knowledge

> > > and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role

one has

> > > to play. No more and no less.

> > > >

> > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> > > other mystical experiences, it was made possible because

he/she has

> > > a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role.

It

> > > absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and

whatever

> > > he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa

and be

> > > clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other

vedaangas

> > > are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some

control over

> > > some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he

reject them

> > > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > > his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

> > > >

> > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership.

Their

> > > egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

> > > samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

> > > understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and

how it

> > > works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

> > > expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of

course,

> > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various

kinds

> > > of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

aspects

> > > of maayaa.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

>

March 30, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji,

My question is of general nature. I am not at all interested in the particular

chart being discussed. I would be happy get a clear cut opinion even if

considering Mars in Cancer instead of Ketu. In such a case, both Mars and Moon

should get their debilitation cancelled (or behave as if they are not

debilitated but in their own house).

This is what I am looking at.

Regards,

Krishna

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