Debilitation of 5th lord

March 29, 2008

Nmaste Rao Sahab,

Any astrologer can be good, only if

he is honest in his appraisal and

justice minded. I ask you where were

You when this person commented negative on my

chart with just a debilitated Jupiter.

Did you not find any references and do

hard work as You have done just now to

substantiate Your assessment ?

Can we not too provide

authentic birth data of great Criminals

and scum of society, to prove our

points ? But what is the sense of this

time wasting and trying to keep face.

i am not the least interested.

This lecture of Debilitation and Exaltation

being viewed in the same breath in jamini,

why was it not given to the person whom you

defended , when he spoke about my

debilitated jupiter ? It was also the

5th Lord in my chart.

Where were You then ?

And how many can claim to give the actual

results of a retro Jup conjunct with swaraashi

saturn in the 6th ? Do you think the

person you defended is capable of that ?

I have posted a message on Jyotish remedies about

your so called native about whom you

speak in high reverence. But no amount of

your astrological prowess would be able

to prove otherwise than what I have said about

him. Try it.

Sir, you are a respectable persona in my

eyes and I hold You in high esteem, but this

one act of yours of defending this

rouge person, does not go

down the throat well enough.

But be what it may be, I still respect you,

and would always respect you.

Now coming to your statement of our extreme hate

for him, Sir this was never cultivated for him,

we have better work to do rather than hate human

beings. His degraded actions and behaviours have

brought about this hate. Which also would never

be nurtured in our hearts,for we are not like that.

At least I am the last person to carry such base

feelings for anyone for a long period.

Our pointing out negatives in his chart,

is just a re-action of his action

which was the same action done on his

part with regards to my chart and behaviour

with other elderly persons. How

do you justify that ? If he could not

find positive then why should

we look for positives in his chart ?

its as simple as that. manipulating

astrological principles can done by him

and allowed to him ?

But anyone else saying the

truth too is termed as trying to justify ?

What is this Rao Sahab ?

You are just trying to imitate Ram

jethmalani defending the Bomb blast accused.

Sorry to say.

I do not wish to utter any word of disrespect

to you, therefore let us put this

story behind us, if we can. A good man like

you does not look good in our midst in

such exchanges.You are meant for lofty

discussions.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope,

it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further,

you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

>

> I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the exchange

between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange

houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart from

rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

reasoning behind my views.

>

> In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in the

same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va sreemantah " .

Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much deeper

ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

>

> Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the

5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the

9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th lord

of detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu,

karaka for detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment have

a positive influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra

sadhana. Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he

is in bodhaka sthana from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive

influence on 8th lord, who shows occult experiences.

>

> Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the

above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot. To

say that this native cannot even meditate properly just because of

5th lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the native

is quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus and

detachment and get occult experiences.

>

> * * *

>

> IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just based

on the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

>

> Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo

Ghose had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo experienced

the highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries on

Veda and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami

Sivananda of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had

the 5th lord debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and

Rahu. He had another debilitated planet also and no exalted planets.

He is one of the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa

samadhi in the last century.

>

> Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone

cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

>

> Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First

of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like

Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief pontiff

of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a

few degrees.

>

> Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were also

mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him. So

what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

>

> I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are

based on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative view

and provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being

made to attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and unscholarly.

>

> This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are entitled

to your views. But please do not attack and bully those who disagree

with you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a

respectful and civil manner.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> , " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> >

> > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

> >

> > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

himself, is

> > using your good name . Those who know this person closely,

would NOT

> > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to

your

> > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

> > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can

make so

> > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> >

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC

selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope,

it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis -

Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his

expletives

> > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen

in

> > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

> > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> >

> > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending

this

> > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of

your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further,

you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> >

> > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities,

use

> > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

Probably you

> > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all

out to

> > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the

nearest future

> > !!

> >

> > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution

to the

> > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through

various

> > debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking,

makes me

> > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> >

> > It is never too late for anything....I would personally request

you to

> > seriously rethink on above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find

useful

> > > data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on

this

> > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings

between

> > > some people on this list and there may be some background to

this

> > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart,

I

> > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if

you do

> > > not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He

may be

> > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no

mental

> > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th

and 4th

> > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun

in a

> > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely

makes

> > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and

lagna in

> > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's

evils that

> > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the

paapa

> > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps

over

> > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

overcome.

> > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha

drishti on

> > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted

in

> > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is

so

> > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th

(even if

> > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha

bhanga. The

> > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good

for

> > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

mantrapada

> > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them,

is a

> > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha

padas) are

> > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to

express

> > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters,

while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

Arudha

> > > padas are very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

good

> > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of

spiritual

> > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of

liberation.

> > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly

sign in

> > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong

with

> > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given

by the

> > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not

see a

> > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of

some

> > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge

and it

> > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

offer

> > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some

criticism

> > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada

lagna in

> > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In

navamsa, 7th

> > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get

married.

> > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the

end

> > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommen

March 29, 2008

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

Hari Om.

I think that fifth lord it is not such bad. He is in Shani nakshatra

and lords of that nakshatra is Shani and Ketu. This is good for

meditations and detachments.

Of course that situation it will be unfavorable for another things in

life, but not for spirituality in that contest.

For me that rashi it is very strong. In navamsha some thing is little

unfavorable, but generally it is good chart.

I think that he must transform that energy of Mangal in the Karma yoga

and Guru seva, and with that action he will be successfully prevail

some negative aspect in own chart. Even sport will be good to him. But

karma yoga in some ashram will be the best thing for that Mangal.

That fights and combats is negative aspect in his chart which is

responsible for his negative perceptions of status of Brahmin and for

general uplifment in his spiritual life. That impulse he must

transform. That is bad for him.

Very soon when his Mangal will be start to work in pratyantara dasha

will be even worst in that segment. If he not transform that Mangal

shakti it will be bad for his health.

This is my generally view of his chart.

If I m in wrong in that description it is not voluntary.

Best regards,

ashwini

> Namaste friends,

>

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

>

> I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the exchange

between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange

houses and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart from

rasi, I have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the

reasoning behind my views.

>

> In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in the

same breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va sreemantah " .

Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much deeper

ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

>

> Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the

5th lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the

9th lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th lord of

detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu, karaka for

detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment have a positive

influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra sadhana. Moon is

naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana

from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence on 8th lord, who

shows occult experiences.

>

> Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the

above pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot. To say

that this native cannot even meditate properly just because of 5th

lord's debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the native is

quite capable of meditating with a very high level of focus and

detachment and get occult experiences.

>

> * * *

>

> IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just based on

the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

>

> Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo Ghose

had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo experienced the

highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries on Veda

and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami Sivananda

of Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had the 5th lord

debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and Rahu. He had

another debilitated planet also and no exalted planets. He is one of

the very few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa samadhi in the last

century.

>

> Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone

cannot be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

>

> Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First

of all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we

accept outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like

Lord Shiva Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a

couple of degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief pontiff of

Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a few

degrees.

>

> Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were also

mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him. So

what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

>

> I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are based

on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative view and

provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being made to

attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and unscholarly.

>

> This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are entitled to

your views. But please do not attack and bully those who disagree with

you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a respectful

and civil manner.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> >

> > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

> >

> > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

himself, is

> > using your good name . Those who know this person closely,

would NOT

> > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to your

> > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

> > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can make so

> > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> >

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his expletives

> > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen in

> > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

> > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> >

> > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending this

> > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> >

> > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities, use

> > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul.

Probably you

> > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all out to

> > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the nearest

future

> > !!

> >

> > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution

to the

> > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through various

> > debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking,

makes me

> > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> >

> > It is never too late for anything....I would personally request you to

> > seriously rethink on above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

> > > data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

> > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> > > some people on this list and there may be some background to this

> > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I

> > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do

> > > not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

> > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

> > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes

> > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in

> > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that

> > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

> > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

> > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on

> > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in

> > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

> > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

> > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada

> > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a

> > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are

> > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express

> > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

> > > padas are very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good

> > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation.

> > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

> > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

> > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the

> > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it

> > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer

> > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

> > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

> > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end

> > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

> > > >

> > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in

> > > D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> > > will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility

> > > is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this

> > > subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I

> > > learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the

> > > last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

> > > several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I

> > > know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

> > > mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > >

> > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> > > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> > > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace,

> > > after you develop true humility.

> > > >

> > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> > > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

> > > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion

> > > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise

> > > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

> > > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more

> > > to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

> > > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not

> > > stagnate where you are now.

> > > >

> > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

> > > are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> > > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are

> > > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and

> > > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of

> > > Her different forms.

> > > >

> > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality

> > > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > > transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality

> > > for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart

> > > (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome

> > > your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

> > > also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> > > comments on some sentiments I observed here.

> > > >

> > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean

> > > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also

> > > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If

> > > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other

> > > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason.

> > > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

> > > needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> > > calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > > seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

> > > noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

> > > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

> > > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

> > > which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge

> > > and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has

> > > to play. No more and no less.

> > > >

> > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> > > other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has

> > > a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > > absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever

> > > he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be

> > > clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

> > > are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over

> > > some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

> > > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > > his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

> > > >

> > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

> > > egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

> > > samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

> > > understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it

> > > works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

> > > expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds

> > > of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects

> > > of maayaa.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

>

March 29, 2008

Namaste Pv r ji

It is first time i am seeing some one using ketu as 9th Lord ,even

jaimini i think he put some conditions and that also dasa scheme shud be

under his scheme ,

so how this exchange happening in astrology and which is unknown for

last 15000 yrs to other astrologers and jaimini himself

when a debilated planet aspects a a planet what will happen ??? what

quality it can acquire and what will be the effect of it on native ,if

its moon esp .

Now u ask his life sketch and u re try it .

for get abt other charts u r mentioning and that is not the question

here . I find many change the time of birth to suit to their reading

i never said him also u dont hav capacity to meditate ( that is a

twisted word ) i said him personaly this is ur problems as this and this

negetivity in ur chart and if u can take care wel and fine .Even i read

rishis they spend so many year in meditation and it was not some instant

coffee for them .Also our karma also plays a gr8 role in it .

also i dont think there is gr8 vimsamsa chart as far spirituality is

concerned see the dasa tru Vimsamsa chart .

I never equate him to gr8 spiritual masters ,i told him dont confuse

with every vision as spiritual vision .even other ppl who indulged

sadhana has told me this ,while doing specific sadhanas that also under

qualified guru ( he dont care any one and he cant stand any guru --like

this debilated moon showing ) they told me they hav many visions and

thier guru helped them falling for it and asked them to continue

sadhana till they achieve the specific things .

On his request i also done ( just like now u r doing -he is die hard

for it ,he will keep on pestering u ,till his demands meet ) some

analysis when he was cornered ,even against what ever i told him in prvt

and tele talks .

but he has given me good lesson .

he wrote as sunil nair exposed .what exposed when and for what i dont

know .

i dont think he has any karma residue for good things in life ,if so he

wont pester u or any one and also will not be bothered what others

saying abt him .

also i told u i can giv u 100 mails he abused other spiritual masters

Here is his comments

====================

1)vivekanda i dont know how far he is correct ,2) dalai lama if he is

spiritual then there is no tibet problem .3)this sankaracharya chandra

sekhar sarasawathy needs 100 births to know what is spirituality .4)I

dont know what this maharishi mahesh yogi has gr8 with him ---------SO

ON

if u want i need may be 100mb space for completing his spiritual sadhana

like this he vomitted in net itself .irrespectiv of what follish utter

nonsense he says every day while he is calling me for daily dose astro

predictions ,while matching charts ( which is send frm native place )

and which girl will fall for him tru prashan ( as every day has some

story today i meet some one in chat and is she is serious ) and office

scuffles and promotions and so on as he is planning his life .If i am

wrong why he chase me one one year .

then after one year or more he has all the right to write bad abt me as

he is spiritual gaint .and last alias id was saying biggest astrologers

fees in india is 500rs

good narasimaha good <any way a man like ur calibre should not hav done

this .

but atleast u should hav done a prashna when u done his chart frst time

,still there is time

see is that day was good and see that prashna was good ??And what r its

indications again i request u to do prashna on ur traditional way than

what u learn from out side .

sorry for hurting u ,whom i respect most .

regrds sunil nair

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it

is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably

one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

>

> I never said debilitation is " more desirable " . I said the exchange

between 5th and 9th lords is a nice yoga here, *despite* the

debilitation of the 5th lord. When the 5th and 9th lords exchange houses

and lagna lord is strong, it is a nice raja yoga. Apart from rasi, I

have examined navamsa and vimsamsa also and given the reasoning behind

my views.

>

> In fact, Jaimini mentions exalted and debilitated planets in the same

breath, in the aphorism " tasminnuchche neeche va sreemantah " .

Debilitation need not be terrible always. Jyotisha is a much deeper

ocean than the shallow waters of thumbrules.

>

> Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the 5th

lord is debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is

debilitated, he is in devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the 9th

lord. Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th lord of

detachment, Saturn. Bodhaka sthana from Moon contains Ketu, karaka for

detachment. Thus, planets associated with detachment have a positive

influence on 5th lord and it is excellent for mantra sadhana. Moon is

naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he is in bodhaka sthana

from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence on 8th lord, who shows

occult experiences.

>

> Apart from the vimsamsa related points I mentioned earlier, the above

pachakadi sambandhas also strengthen 5th lord Moon a lot. To say that

this native cannot even meditate properly just because of 5th lord's

debilitation is questionable. In my judgment, the native is quite

capable of meditating with a very high level of focus and detachment and

get occult experiences.

>

> * * *

>

> IMHO, predicting terrible results of great specificity just based on

the debilitation of 5th lord is unwise.

>

> Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets. Aurobindo Ghose

had the 5th lord debilitated in a trine. Aurobindo experienced the

highest truths of this creation directly and his commentaries on Veda

and Upanidhad are the most inspired I have ever read. Swami Sivananda of

Hrishikesh, founder of Divine Life Society, also had the 5th lord

debilitated in a trine and afflicted by Saturn and Rahu. He had another

debilitated planet also and no exalted planets. He is one of the very

few yogis to have experienced nirvikalpa samadhi in the last century.

>

> Debilitation of a planet or debilitation of the 5th lord alone cannot

be a criterion for giving so many terrible results.

>

> Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First of

all, Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we accept

outer planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva

Himself, had the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a couple of

degrees. Swami Jayendra Saraswati, current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt,

also has Neptune afflicting the 5th lord within a few degrees.

>

> Moon being in Saturn's star and being aspected by Saturn were also

mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had Moon in

Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected him. So

what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

>

> I respect you guys for your views, but these extreme views are based

on questionable principles. When I provide an alternative view and

provide the astrological reasoning, there are attempts being made to

attack and/or bully me. This is unfortunate and unscholarly.

>

> This is a public forum where different views are aired. If you

absolutely hate somebody and want to believe that his horoscope

justifies your extreme views on him, that is fine. You are entitled to

your views. But please do not attack and bully those who disagree with

you and provide a different viewpoint. We can disagree in a respectful

and civil manner.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

> >

> > Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

> >

> > Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend

himself, is

> > using your good name . Those who know this person closely, would NOT

> > agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to

your

> > carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

> > general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can make

so

> > many " incorrect predictions " !!

> >

> > It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to

anything

> > else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

> >

> > Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

> > horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it

is

> > all gives good results ??

> >

> > Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new

findings,

> > PVR Raoji ??

> >

> > Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default

hororscopes

> > in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably

one

> > day realization may dawn upon you.

> >

> > If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his

expletives

> > is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen in

> > every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

> > against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

> >

> > Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending

this

> > " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of your

> > nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

> > should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

> >

> > Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities, use

> > them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul. Probably

you

> > do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all out to

> > make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the nearest

future

> > !!

> >

> > Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution to

the

> > software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through various

> > debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking, makes

me

> > to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

> >

> > It is never too late for anything....I would personally request you

to

> > seriously rethink on above.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > > pvr@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> > > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

> > > data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

> > > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> > > some people on this list and there may be some background to this

> > > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I

> > > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do

> > > not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

> > > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no

mental

> > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and

4th

> > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> > > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes

> > > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna

in

> > > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils

that

> > > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

> > > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

> > > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be

overcome.

> > > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> > > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti

on

> > > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in

> > > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

> > > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga.

The

> > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

> > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and

mantrapada

> > > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is

a

> > > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas)

are

> > > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> > > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express

> > > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

> > > padas are very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

good

> > > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation.

> > > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign

in

> > > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

> > > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by

the

> > > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> > > conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and

it

> > > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> > > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

offer

> > > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> > > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna

in

> > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa,

7th

> > > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> > > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end

> > > of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

> > > >

> > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna

in

> > > D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> > > will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that

humility

> > > is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this

> > > subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I

> > > learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in

the

> > > last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

> > > several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what

I

> > > know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

> > > mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > >

> > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> > > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> > > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace,

> > > after you develop true humility.

> > > >

> > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> > > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times

more

> > > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some

discretion

> > > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much

noise

> > > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

> > > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more

> > > to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

> > > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not

> > > stagnate where you are now.

> > > >

> > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

> > > are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms.

Learned

> > > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are

> > > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger

and

> > > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of

> > > Her different forms.

> > > >

> > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

personality

> > > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> > > transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality

> > > for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your

chart

> > > (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you

overcome

> > > your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world

and

> > > also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> > > comments on some sentiments I observed here.

> > > >

> > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not

mean

> > > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> > > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also

> > > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If

> > > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other

> > > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some

reason.

> > > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

> > > needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> > > calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> > > seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

> > > noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

> > > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes

even

> > > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

> > > which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the

knowledge

> > > and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one

has

> > > to play. No more and no less.

> > > >

> > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> > > other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she

has

> > > a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> > > absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever

> > > he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be

> > > clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

> > > are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control

over

> > > some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject

them

> > > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> > > his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

> > > >

> > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> > > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

> > > egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

> > > samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

> > > understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how

it

> > > works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

> > > expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various

kinds

> > > of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

aspects

> > > of maayaa.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

>

March 29, 2008

Shri Rao sahab,

// Jyotisha is a much deeper ocean than the shallow waters of

thumbrules. //

This should be taught to your friend Mr. lalit Mishra,

// Saying that this native cannot even meditate properly because the

5th lord is

debilitated is questionable. Though 5th lord Moon is debilitated, he

is in

devata sthana (9th) with an exchange with the 9th lord. //

What would be the quality of this exchange ?

Would it not be worse than a strong 5th exchanged with 9th ?

// Pachaka sthana from 5th lord Moon contains the 12th lord

of detachment, Saturn. //

We know this about saturn and the 12th Lord.

But what about your friend. he must be tauight this.

he says " It's a myth that Saturn can take one to God, No Sir, it

cant, "

I have put his comment on the Jyotish remedies posting.

// Moon is naisargika pachaka for 8th lord Venus and here he is in

bodhaka sthana

from Venus. Thus, Moon has the positive influence on 8th lord, who

shows occult

experiences. //

Your friends comment on the 8th Lord is -

" neither Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujan nor Thakur Sri

Ramkrishna Paramhansha nor any other saint of their level has got

activated 8'th house " I have put his comment on the Jyotish

remedies posting.

To say that this native cannot

even meditate properly just because of 5th lord's debilitation is

questionable.

In my judgment, the native is quite capable of meditating with a

very high level

of focus and detachment and get occult experiences.

Do not just harper on the statement made with regards to Meditation.

What abiout the other negatives ascibed to the Moon

or the 5th lord. What are Your comments on them.

Many great spiritual giants had debilitated planets.

We know this. And we dont just make comments on looking at a

debilitation

only. I have also mentioned the nakshatra owend by these Planets in

this

case.

Affliction of 5th lord by Neptune was also mentioned before. First

of all,

Neptune is not mentioned in any Jyotish classics. Even if we accept

outer

planets, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, who was like Lord Shiva

Himself, had

the 5th lord afflicted by Neptune within a couple of degrees. Swami

Jayendra

Saraswati, current chief pontiff of Kanchi mutt, also has Neptune

afflicting the

5th lord within a few degrees. Moon being in Saturn's star and being

aspected by

Saturn were also mentioned. Well, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati

also had

Moon in Saturn's nakshatra (same one - Anuradha) and Saturn aspected

him.

So what? Saturn's strong influence eventually gives detachment.

What abot the Nakshatra owners of the swamis we are talking about.

What about the aspects. What about the Dual house ownerships .

Rao sahab just trying to play your single point

is not going to work. Complete details have to be put forth. iolation

of placements and conjunctions can also be taken'out from criminal

Horoscopes and put forth by me, but then you will start singing

another

tune , then.

About your saying much about Swami Chandrasekhar saraswati,

your friend does not think so,look

what he has written about him in his'message No. 3674 in his

own Forum - " Not everybody well known is a realized one,

they are in their > > journey.Swami ji is great but he didnt attain

the self

realization. May be in next birth Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati

will realize the relation between the self and god supreme, that

what

he had studied in the texts, all knowledge that he aquired by this

life's austerity has to turn to his self experience. "

So now whom to believe ? You or your friend the Great

Spiritual master and know all ?

Yours sincerely,