MENTALLY DERANGED PERSON - A CASE STUDY/Narasimha ji

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Dear Narasimha ji,

Please accept my " Sadhuvaad " for extremelly accurate explanation.You are

really genious and proud for Vedic Astrology.You may live long and serve the

huminity.It is my pray to Almighty.

 

Regards

Ratnaakar

 

" Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

Namaste friends,

 

I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This

topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

 

Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize

that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and

there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an

astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please

forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

 

In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery

and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and

hallucinations as mentioned below.

 

Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects

respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such

Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and

haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart

that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light

on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

 

This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It

shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns

lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as

3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

 

I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is

actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is

debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th

lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9)

and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is

a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas

(houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings

are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show

intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

them. Arudha padas are very important.

 

Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual

progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord

Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana

(9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of

mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

 

With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally

deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress,

mystical experiences and visions.

 

Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible

that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel

after looking at this chart.

 

* * *

 

Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of

comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some

honest advice. Please bear with me.

 

You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus,

Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana

karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to

Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is

recommended for relief.

 

You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of

learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer

in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you

will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to

master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in

the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics

within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than

what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it

for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

 

Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be

less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become

a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility.

 

Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet

keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual

progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around

touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is

much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where

you are now.

 

Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her

forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are

both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full

glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love

for Her and all of Her different forms.

 

Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha

Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down

this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please

live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you

overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

 

* * *

 

I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge.

These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I

observed here.

 

If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the

person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of

singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and

it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of

the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of

some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a

complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego,

take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing

things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before

becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one

belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and

experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No

more and no less.

 

If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical

experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those

experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is

somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of

maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some

aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

 

A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they

come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other

so-called achievements.

 

Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have

zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence

they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and

talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality

and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect

to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot

of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have

imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

 

Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, " Bhaskar " wrote:

>

> Date of Birth

> 17th August 1972

> Time - 8.20pm

> Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

>

> Dear Members,

> This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> of the parameters required

> to get inside the configurations which make

> one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

>

> Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> andother work to attend to.

>

> Moon -

>

> a) Debilitated.

> b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

>

> What does it mean ? -

> 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> Would be depraved mentality.

> 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> due to.....

> 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> hallucinations would persist most of the time

> and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

>

>

> The 5th and 9th house

>

> a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> in close conjunction.

> f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> 6th Lord.

>

> The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

>

> h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> certain period of association with them,

> he would insult them and cause grief to them

> thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> with his own Gurus wife.

> So he has done in the past births as

> the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

>

> Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> his perverted demand of Lusts.

>

> he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> house.

>

> Will just say this much today.....

> A,m busy in other important work....

> Will come with more inputs later......

>

> By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> asytrological Forums.

>

> This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> and mercury combined with neptune

> with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

>

>

> BHASKAR.