A RESEARCH ON LORD RAM'S BIRTH AND EXISTANCE

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjeev,

 

Well said

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

Sanjeev Narula <san_narula wrote:

Actually you can read this and laugh at the today's so called

intelligent beings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design#Fine-tuned_Universe

Arguing about the existence of GOD(they call HIM intelligent being).

LOL. Dont waste anymore time, study the scriptures and follow what

the ENLIGHTENED SAGES(who knew the Truth) instructed us to do. We

have wasted enough births following these so called intellectuals

(scientists, indologists and historians). Believe me they are here to

make things worst as they have done in the past.

 

Sanjeev

 

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

>

> Group,

>

> Somebody forwarded this mail to me, posting same for the interest

and

> awareness of the group members - Lalit.

>

> Lord Ram was for real.

>

>

>

> We Indians are the products of one of the oldest civilisations. We

need

> to be really proud of our ancient history and cultural heritage.

> However, during the British Rule, we developed an inferiority

complex,

> which adversely affected our quest to unearth facts relating to our

> glorious past. But our young and educated men and women, born and

> brought up in independent India, are capable of unearthing the true

> facts and are confident enough to evaluate these objectively.

>

> Shri Ram being most basic to Indian " ethos " , it is necessary to

know who

> is Shri Ram? Was he really born? If yes, when and where? As is

believed

> by crores of people did he really put his feet on the Indian

territory

> from North to South, reducing the sufferings of mankind and ensuring

> victory of good over evil? Let us take a look at historical facts:

>

> The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi

Valmiki in

> the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the

king

> of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made

> sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the

> life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis zodiac

> constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to add

that

> similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in

thousands

> of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary

configuration

> of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the

Valmiki

> Ramayan in the software named " Planetarium " corresponding exact

dates of

> these events according to the English calendar can be known.

>

>

>

> Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this

> software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar

eclipses and

> distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the

> relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by Maharishi

> Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which

> almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of

Shri Ram

> to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.

>

> Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka

eight

> and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra

> month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac

> constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in

Aries; ii)

> Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces; v)

Mars in

> Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after no moon;

> viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix) Moon on

the

> Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time (around

> noon).

>

> This data, was fed into the software. The results indicated that

this

> was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10,

> 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7121 years

> back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla

Paksha

> in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime. This is

> exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over

India.

>

> Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained from

several

> books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the

birth

> of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's Raghuvansam,

> Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in great

> detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which

had

> many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was

located

> on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on

one

> side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a very

long

> period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign

invasions

> change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter

the

> territories. Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is

monumental.

> The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed

their

> course about 40 km north/south.

>

> Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per

Valmiki

> Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram).

From

> there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he married

Sita

> after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the route

> adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23

> places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to

the

> life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van,

> Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc.

> Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.

>

> Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan's

Ayodhya

> Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king

because

> Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra, and normally under

such

> planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of

> conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra

was

> Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January

5,

> 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya for 14

years

> of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There

are

> several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was

> 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

>

> Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with

> Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It is

also

> mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle. When this

data

> was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse

on

> October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from

Panchvati.

> The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the

middle,

> on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun

and

> Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in

various

> other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be

> December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on

January

> 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra

> month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39

> (5114-5075).

>

>

>

> A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram

> during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as

visited

> by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he went

right

> upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials

> connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the

life of

> Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur

> (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram,

> Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of

> Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near

> Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai), Dhanushkoti

and

> Rameshwar temple.

>

> (The writer is a Commissioner of Income Tax posted at Delhi. The

article

> will conclude on the Oped page on Monday)

>

>

>

> -------------------------

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> -----------------

>

>

>

> In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed

a

> bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing

this

> bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA put

pictures

> (reproduced here) on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of

> which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri

> Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire

to

> develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was

> Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).

>

>

>

> Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the

Suryavansh and

> he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant

> particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas

written

> about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

>

>

>

> Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The

> Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of

Shri

> Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been traced

out as:

> Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so

on.

> From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere

> people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence, particularly

in

> the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the

> North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve

> around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.

>

>

>

> The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are

true

> cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste

and

> creed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram

belonged to

> the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and

> Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The words

Hindu

> (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were

synonymous.

> India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta

(where

> Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of " Hindus " - derived from word

Indus).

>

>

>

> During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth were

> non-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra

class

> (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter

> after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his

ashram as

> his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was

perhaps

> the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary

> configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer

> softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which

proves

> that he did not commit any error.

>

>

>

> Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri Ram's

army,

> which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals

from

> Central and South India. The facts, events and all other details

> relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the

> Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims,

> Christians, etc.

>

>

>

> Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born

2,000

> years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was

> born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details relating to

Shri

> Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by

floods,

> earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should

that

> stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

>

>

>

> As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian

> civilisation is the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly

> more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of

Aryan

> invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In fact Max

> Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself rejected

it. Let

> us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the

schools

> based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything

> Indian was inferior and that entire " Indian literature was not worth

> even one book rack in England " . If there were similarities in

certain

> features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then

automatic

> inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded

India and

> settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way. Therefore,

> there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to

stop

> reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out,

> search, unearth and analyse all the evidences, which would throw

more

> light on ancient Indian civilisation and culture.

>

>

>

> There is need for the print and the electronic media to take note of

> these facts and create atmosphere which would motivate our young and

> educated youth to carry out research and unearth true facts about

the

> ancient Indian civilisation and wisdom and would also encourage

them to

> put across the results of their research before the people

fearlessly

> and with a sense of pride!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Sanjeev,

 

That is not my effort, i mentioned it in that mail only,I got a mail

forwarded to me and posted that,it is discovered by Mr Pushkar

Bhatnagar, But how can we ignore what he did find out, should we not

do some more efforts to unearth more.

 

We must appreciate somebody who does something for the good of people.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

, " Sanjeev Narula "

<san_narula wrote:

>

> Hi Lalit

> I apologise if I hurt your feelings but I didnt mean to do so. I do

> appreciate your efforts. I think you took it in a wrong sense. I

> didnt critisize you but I was just trying to add few things on top

of

> what you said. I always pray to Lord for everyone whosoever. As

once

> I doubted the scriptures as well so what I meant is that we

shouldnt

> ever think that the Sages lied at all. They really cared about the

> fallen souls of kaliyuga like me so they wrote all scriptures for

us.

> I hope you will understand me.

>

> Sanjeev

>

> , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjeev,

> >

> > You mean all what should be done, I have to do, people like u

have

> no

> > responsibility towards anything, have u ever thought what u r

doing

> at

> > ur end ....., all is my responsibility, So nice of u.

> >

> > How conveniently u assumed that i have not read scriptures,

> somebody

> > has done something and u have no single word of appreciation..

> >

> > Good Man..... I salute this selfish indian approach.

> >

> > ~Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sanjeev Narula "

<san_narula@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram

> > > Good Research litsol

> > >

> > > But before all that you should have read the scriptures

properly

> and

> > > you needed to google a bit more. you have come up with a very

good

> > > topic though but you are undermining Indian history. First of

all

> if

> > > you study how long the yugas are( I wont go in detail), you

will

> find

> > > Shri Ram was born million of years ago.

> > > And the same with the Adams bridge. I am just pasting the links

> here

> > > which shows the truth

> > >

> > > http://www.rense.com/general30/nasa.htm

> > > http://www.unexplained-

> > > mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t86417.html

> > > http://www.geocities.com/uk20020/bridge_Srilanka_review.htm

> > >

> > > P.S- Also study Intelligent Design theory.

> > >

> > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Somebody forwarded this mail to me, posting same for the

> interest

> > > and

> > > > awareness of the group members - Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Lord Ram was for real.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We Indians are the products of one of the oldest

civilisations.

> We

> > > need

> > > > to be really proud of our ancient history and cultural

heritage.

> > > > However, during the British Rule, we developed an inferiority

> > > complex,

> > > > which adversely affected our quest to unearth facts relating

to

> our

> > > > glorious past. But our young and educated men and women, born

> and

> > > > brought up in independent India, are capable of unearthing

the

> true

> > > > facts and are confident enough to evaluate these objectively.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Ram being most basic to Indian " ethos " , it is necessary

to

> > > know who

> > > > is Shri Ram? Was he really born? If yes, when and where? As is

> > > believed

> > > > by crores of people did he really put his feet on the Indian

> > > territory

> > > > from North to South, reducing the sufferings of mankind and

> ensuring

> > > > victory of good over evil? Let us take a look at historical

> facts:

> > > >

> > > > The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi

> > > Valmiki in

> > > > the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as

> the

> > > king

> > > > of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he

has

> made

> > > > sequential astronomical references on important dates related

> to the

> > > > life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis

> zodiac

> > > > constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to

add

> > > that

> > > > similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in

> > > thousands

> > > > of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary

> > > configuration

> > > > of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in

the

> > > Valmiki

> > > > Ramayan in the software named " Planetarium " corresponding

exact

> > > dates of

> > > > these events according to the English calendar can be known.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had

acquired

> this

> > > > software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar

> > > eclipses and

> > > > distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered

> the

> > > > relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by

> Maharishi

> > > > Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results,

> which

> > > > almost determine the important dates starting from the birth

of

> > > Shri Ram

> > > > to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of

> exile.

> > > >

> > > > Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and

shloka

> > > eight

> > > > and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of

> Chaitra

> > > > month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac

> > > > constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in

> > > Aries; ii)

> > > > Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces;

v)

> > > Mars in

> > > > Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after

no

> moon;

> > > > viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix)

Moon

> on

> > > the

> > > > Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time

> (around

> > > > noon).

> > > >

> > > > This data, was fed into the software. The results indicated

that

> > > this

> > > > was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of

> January 10,

> > > > 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7121

> years

> > > > back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of

Shukla

> > > Paksha

> > > > in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime.

This

> is

> > > > exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all

over

> > > India.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained

from

> > > several

> > > > books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after

the

> > > birth

> > > > of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's

> Raghuvansam,

> > > > Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in

> great

> > > > detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya

> which

> > > had

> > > > many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya

was

> > > located

> > > > on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal

Pradesh

> on

> > > one

> > > > side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a

> very

> > > long

> > > > period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign

> > > invasions

> > > > change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and

> alter

> > > the

> > > > territories. Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is

> > > monumental.

> > > > The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have

> changed

> > > their

> > > > course about 40 km north/south.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as

per

> > > Valmiki

> > > > Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan

> (Sidhhashram).

> > > From

> > > > there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he

married

> > > Sita

> > > > after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the

> route

> > > > adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and

> found 23

> > > > places which have memorials that commemorate the events

related

> to

> > > the

> > > > life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat,

Tadka

> Van,

> > > > Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita

Kund,

> etc.

> > > > Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious

> characters.

> > > >

> > > > Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki

Ramayan's

> > > Ayodhya

> > > > Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king

> > > because

> > > > Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra, and normally

> under

> > > such

> > > > planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of

> > > > conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his

> nakshatra

> > > was

> > > > Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the

> January

> > > 5,

> > > > 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya

for

> 14

> > > years

> > > > of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089).

> There

> > > are

> > > > several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri

Ram

> was

> > > > 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

> > > >

> > > > Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of

war

> with

> > > > Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It

is

> > > also

> > > > mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle.

When

> this

> > > data

> > > > was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar

> eclipse

> > > on

> > > > October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from

> > > Panchvati.

> > > > The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in

the

> > > middle,

> > > > on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were

> Sun

> > > and

> > > > Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in

> > > various

> > > > other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out

> to be

> > > > December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile

on

> > > January

> > > > 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in

> Chaitra

> > > > month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39

> > > > (5114-5075).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by

Shri

> Ram

> > > > during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated

as

> > > visited

> > > > by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he

> went

> > > right

> > > > upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the

> memorials

> > > > connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to

the

> > > life of

> > > > Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah),

> Shringverpur

> > > > (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri

> Ashram,

> > > > Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks

of

> > > > Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in

Triambakeshwar

> near

> > > > Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai),

> Dhanushkoti

> > > and

> > > > Rameshwar temple.

> > > >

> > > > (The writer is a Commissioner of Income Tax posted at Delhi.

The

> > > article

> > > > will conclude on the Oped page on Monday)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

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> > > > -----------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army

> constructed

> > > a

> > > > bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After

> crossing

> > > this

> > > > bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA

put

> > > pictures

> > > > (reproduced here) on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the

> ruins of

> > > > which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram

> and Sri

> > > > Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the

> desire

> > > to

> > > > develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe

this

> was

> > > > Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in

5076

> BC).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the

> > > Suryavansh and

> > > > he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other

> relevant

> > > > particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka

Itihas

> > > written

> > > > about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The

> > > > Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63

ancestors

> of

> > > Shri

> > > > Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been

traced

> > > out as:

> > > > Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip

and

> so

> > > on.

> > > > From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat,

> everywhere

> > > > people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence,

> particularly

> > > in

> > > > the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and

the

> > > > North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas

> revolve

> > > > around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and

Sita

> are

> > > true

> > > > cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of

> caste

> > > and

> > > > creed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram

> > > belonged to

> > > > the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not

born

> and

> > > > Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The

words

> > > Hindu

> > > > (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were

> > > synonymous.

> > > > India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and

Aryavarta

> > > (where

> > > > Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of " Hindus " - derived from

word

> > > Indus).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth

were

> > > > non-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of

> shudra

> > > class

> > > > (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted

> daughter

> > > > after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his

> > > ashram as

> > > > his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki

was

> > > perhaps

> > > > the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary

> > > > configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest

> computer

> > > > softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations,

which

> > > proves

> > > > that he did not commit any error.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri

Ram's

> > > army,

> > > > which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various

> tribals

> > > from

> > > > Central and South India. The facts, events and all other

details

> > > > relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of

all

> the

> > > > Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims,

> > > > Christians, etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was

born

> > > 2,000

> > > > years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas

> Ram was

> > > > born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details

relating

> to

> > > Shri

> > > > Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused

by

> > > floods,

> > > > earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But,

> should

> > > that

> > > > stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian

> > > > civilisation is the most ancient civilisation today. It is

> certainly

> > > > more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the

story

> of

> > > Aryan

> > > > invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In

> fact Max

> > > > Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself

rejected

> > > it. Let

> > > > us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the

> > > schools

> > > > based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that

> everything

> > > > Indian was inferior and that entire " Indian literature was

not

> worth

> > > > even one book rack in England " . If there were similarities in

> > > certain

> > > > features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then

> > > automatic

> > > > inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded

> > > India and

> > > > settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

> Therefore,

> > > > there is urgency for the historians and all other

intellectuals

> to

> > > stop

> > > > reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig

> out,

> > > > search, unearth and analyse all the evidences, which would

throw

> > > more

> > > > light on ancient Indian civilisation and culture.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is need for the print and the electronic media to take

> note of

> > > > these facts and create atmosphere which would motivate our

> young and

> > > > educated youth to carry out research and unearth true facts

> about

> > > the

> > > > ancient Indian civilisation and wisdom and would also

encourage

> > > them to

> > > > put across the results of their research before the people

> > > fearlessly

> > > > and with a sense of pride!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Sanjeev,

 

No upnishad says anything about fallen souls, This is not the

spirituality, If a soul can fall, u cant hold the god, god will also

fall.

 

Pls. stop using this kind of superfluous wordings to show humility,

there is no fundamental difference in me , you and sages, this is what

they conveyed, pls. identify what u r and believe that.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sanjeev,

>

> That is not my effort, i mentioned it in that mail only,I got a mail

> forwarded to me and posted that,it is discovered by Mr Pushkar

> Bhatnagar, But how can we ignore what he did find out, should we not

> do some more efforts to unearth more.

>

> We must appreciate somebody who does something for the good of people.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Sanjeev Narula "

> san_narula@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Lalit

> > I apologise if I hurt your feelings but I didnt mean to do so. I do

> > appreciate your efforts. I think you took it in a wrong sense. I

> > didnt critisize you but I was just trying to add few things on top

> of

> > what you said. I always pray to Lord for everyone whosoever. As

> once

> > I doubted the scriptures as well so what I meant is that we

> shouldnt

> > ever think that the Sages lied at all. They really cared about the

> > fallen souls of kaliyuga like me so they wrote all scriptures for

> us.

> > I hope you will understand me.

> >

> > Sanjeev

> >

> > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjeev,

> > >

> > > You mean all what should be done, I have to do, people like u

> have

> > no

> > > responsibility towards anything, have u ever thought what u r

> doing

> > at

> > > ur end ....., all is my responsibility, So nice of u.

> > >

> > > How conveniently u assumed that i have not read scriptures,

> > somebody

> > > has done something and u have no single word of appreciation..

> > >

> > > Good Man..... I salute this selfish indian approach.

> > >

> > > ~Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sanjeev Narula "

> <san_narula@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Ram

> > > > Good Research litsol

> > > >

> > > > But before all that you should have read the scriptures

> properly

> > and

> > > > you needed to google a bit more. you have come up with a very

> good

> > > > topic though but you are undermining Indian history. First of

> all

> > if

> > > > you study how long the yugas are( I wont go in detail), you

> will

> > find

> > > > Shri Ram was born million of years ago.

> > > > And the same with the Adams bridge. I am just pasting the links

> > here

> > > > which shows the truth

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rense.com/general30/nasa.htm

> > > > http://www.unexplained-

> > > > mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t86417.html

> > > > http://www.geocities.com/uk20020/bridge_Srilanka_review.htm

> > > >

> > > > P.S- Also study Intelligent Design theory.

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Somebody forwarded this mail to me, posting same for the

> > interest

> > > > and

> > > > > awareness of the group members - Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord Ram was for real.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We Indians are the products of one of the oldest

> civilisations.

> > We

> > > > need

> > > > > to be really proud of our ancient history and cultural

> heritage.

> > > > > However, during the British Rule, we developed an inferiority

> > > > complex,

> > > > > which adversely affected our quest to unearth facts relating

> to

> > our

> > > > > glorious past. But our young and educated men and women, born

> > and

> > > > > brought up in independent India, are capable of unearthing

> the

> > true

> > > > > facts and are confident enough to evaluate these objectively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Ram being most basic to Indian " ethos " , it is necessary

> to

> > > > know who

> > > > > is Shri Ram? Was he really born? If yes, when and where? As is

> > > > believed

> > > > > by crores of people did he really put his feet on the Indian

> > > > territory

> > > > > from North to South, reducing the sufferings of mankind and

> > ensuring

> > > > > victory of good over evil? Let us take a look at historical

> > facts:

> > > > >

> > > > > The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi

> > > > Valmiki in

> > > > > the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as

> > the

> > > > king

> > > > > of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he

> has

> > made

> > > > > sequential astronomical references on important dates related

> > to the

> > > > > life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis

> > zodiac

> > > > > constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to

> add

> > > > that

> > > > > similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in

> > > > thousands

> > > > > of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary

> > > > configuration

> > > > > of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in

> the

> > > > Valmiki

> > > > > Ramayan in the software named " Planetarium " corresponding

> exact

> > > > dates of

> > > > > these events according to the English calendar can be known.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had

> acquired

> > this

> > > > > software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar

> > > > eclipses and

> > > > > distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered

> > the

> > > > > relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by

> > Maharishi

> > > > > Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results,

> > which

> > > > > almost determine the important dates starting from the birth

> of

> > > > Shri Ram

> > > > > to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of

> > exile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and

> shloka

> > > > eight

> > > > > and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of

> > Chaitra

> > > > > month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac

> > > > > constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in

> > > > Aries; ii)

> > > > > Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces;

> v)

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after

> no

> > moon;

> > > > > viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix)

> Moon

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time

> > (around

> > > > > noon).

> > > > >

> > > > > This data, was fed into the software. The results indicated

> that

> > > > this

> > > > > was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of

> > January 10,

> > > > > 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7121

> > years

> > > > > back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of

> Shukla

> > > > Paksha

> > > > > in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime.

> This

> > is

> > > > > exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all

> over

> > > > India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained

> from

> > > > several

> > > > > books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after

> the

> > > > birth

> > > > > of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's

> > Raghuvansam,

> > > > > Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in

> > great

> > > > > detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya

> > which

> > > > had

> > > > > many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya

> was

> > > > located

> > > > > on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal

> Pradesh

> > on

> > > > one

> > > > > side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a

> > very

> > > > long

> > > > > period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign

> > > > invasions

> > > > > change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and

> > alter

> > > > the

> > > > > territories. Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is

> > > > monumental.

> > > > > The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have

> > changed

> > > > their

> > > > > course about 40 km north/south.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as

> per

> > > > Valmiki

> > > > > Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan

> > (Sidhhashram).

> > > > From

> > > > > there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he

> married

> > > > Sita

> > > > > after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the

> > route

> > > > > adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and

> > found 23

> > > > > places which have memorials that commemorate the events

> related

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat,

> Tadka

> > Van,

> > > > > Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita

> Kund,

> > etc.

> > > > > Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious

> > characters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki

> Ramayan's

> > > > Ayodhya

> > > > > Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king

> > > > because

> > > > > Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra, and normally

> > under

> > > > such

> > > > > planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of

> > > > > conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his

> > nakshatra

> > > > was

> > > > > Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the

> > January

> > > > 5,

> > > > > 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya

> for

> > 14

> > > > years

> > > > > of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089).

> > There

> > > > are

> > > > > several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri

> Ram

> > was

> > > > > 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of

> war

> > with

> > > > > Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It

> is

> > > > also

> > > > > mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle.

> When

> > this

> > > > data

> > > > > was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar

> > eclipse

> > > > on

> > > > > October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from

> > > > Panchvati.

> > > > > The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in

> the

> > > > middle,

> > > > > on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were

> > Sun

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in

> > > > various

> > > > > other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out

> > to be

> > > > > December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile

> on

> > > > January

> > > > > 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in

> > Chaitra

> > > > > month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39

> > > > > (5114-5075).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by

> Shri

> > Ram

> > > > > during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated

> as

> > > > visited

> > > > > by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he

> > went

> > > > right

> > > > > upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the

> > memorials

> > > > > connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to

> the

> > > > life of

> > > > > Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah),

> > Shringverpur

> > > > > (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri

> > Ashram,

> > > > > Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks

> of

> > > > > Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in

> Triambakeshwar

> > near

> > > > > Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai),

> > Dhanushkoti

> > > > and

> > > > > Rameshwar temple.

> > > > >

> > > > > (The writer is a Commissioner of Income Tax posted at Delhi.

> The

> > > > article

> > > > > will conclude on the Oped page on Monday)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -----------------------------

> --

> > ----

> > > > ----\

> > > > > -----------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army

> > constructed

> > > > a

> > > > > bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After

> > crossing

> > > > this

> > > > > bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA

> put

> > > > pictures

> > > > > (reproduced here) on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the

> > ruins of

> > > > > which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram

> > and Sri

> > > > > Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the

> > desire

> > > > to

> > > > > develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe

> this

> > was

> > > > > Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in

> 5076

> > BC).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the

> > > > Suryavansh and

> > > > > he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other

> > relevant

> > > > > particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka

> Itihas

> > > > written

> > > > > about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The

> > > > > Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63

> ancestors

> > of

> > > > Shri

> > > > > Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been

> traced

> > > > out as:

> > > > > Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip

> and

> > so

> > > > on.

> > > > > From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat,

> > everywhere

> > > > > people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence,

> > particularly

> > > > in

> > > > > the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and

> the

> > > > > North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas

> > revolve

> > > > > around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and

> Sita

> > are

> > > > true

> > > > > cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of

> > caste

> > > > and

> > > > > creed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram

> > > > belonged to

> > > > > the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not

> born

> > and

> > > > > Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The

> words

> > > > Hindu

> > > > > (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were

> > > > synonymous.

> > > > > India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and

> Aryavarta

> > > > (where

> > > > > Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of " Hindus " - derived from

> word

> > > > Indus).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth

> were

> > > > > non-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of

> > shudra

> > > > class

> > > > > (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted

> > daughter

> > > > > after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his

> > > > ashram as

> > > > > his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki

> was

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary

> > > > > configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest

> > computer

> > > > > softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations,

> which

> > > > proves

> > > > > that he did not commit any error.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri

> Ram's

> > > > army,

> > > > > which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various

> > tribals

> > > > from

> > > > > Central and South India. The facts, events and all other

> details

> > > > > relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of

> all

> > the

> > > > > Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims,

> > > > > Christians, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was

> born

> > > > 2,000

> > > > > years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas

> > Ram was

> > > > > born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details

> relating

> > to

> > > > Shri

> > > > > Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused

> by

> > > > floods,

> > > > > earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But,

> > should

> > > > that

> > > > > stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian

> > > > > civilisation is the most ancient civilisation today. It is

> > certainly

> > > > > more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the

> story

> > of

> > > > Aryan

> > > > > invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In

> > fact Max

> > > > > Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself

> rejected

> > > > it. Let

> > > > > us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the

> > > > schools

> > > > > based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that

> > everything

> > > > > Indian was inferior and that entire " Indian literature was

> not

> > worth

> > > > > even one book rack in England " . If there were similarities in

> > > > certain

> > > > > features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then

> > > > automatic

> > > > > inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded

> > > > India and

> > > > > settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

> > Therefore,

> > > > > there is urgency for the historians and all other

> intellectuals

> > to

> > > > stop

> > > > > reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig

> > out,

> > > > > search, unearth and analyse all the evidences, which would

> throw

> > > > more

> > > > > light on ancient Indian civilisation and culture.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is need for the print and the electronic media to take

> > note of

> > > > > these facts and create atmosphere which would motivate our

> > young and

> > > > > educated youth to carry out research and unearth true facts

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > ancient Indian civilisation and wisdom and would also

> encourage

> > > > them to

> > > > > put across the results of their research before the people

> > > > fearlessly

> > > > > and with a sense of pride!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear lalitji,

 

// there is no fundamental difference in me,

you and sages, this is what they conveyed //

 

A very good and mature,observation, you just made.

They are enlightened, and we are not, is

just the difference, this distance we have to clear,

is the way of Life, they show us.

 

best wishes,

 

rgrds/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

>

> Dear Mr. Sanjeev,

>

> No upnishad says anything about fallen souls, This is not the

> spirituality, If a soul can fall, u cant hold the god, god will

also

> fall.

>

> Pls. stop using this kind of superfluous wordings to show

humility,

> there is no fundamental difference in me , you and sages, this

is what

> they conveyed, pls. identify what u r and believe that.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

>

> , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Sanjeev,

> >

> > That is not my effort, i mentioned it in that mail only,I got a

mail

> > forwarded to me and posted that,it is discovered by Mr Pushkar

> > Bhatnagar, But how can we ignore what he did find out, should we

not

> > do some more efforts to unearth more.

> >

> > We must appreciate somebody who does something for the good of

people.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Sanjeev Narula "

> > san_narula@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lalit

> > > I apologise if I hurt your feelings but I didnt mean to do so.

I do

> > > appreciate your efforts. I think you took it in a wrong sense.

I

> > > didnt critisize you but I was just trying to add few things on

top

> > of

> > > what you said. I always pray to Lord for everyone whosoever. As

> > once

> > > I doubted the scriptures as well so what I meant is that we

> > shouldnt

> > > ever think that the Sages lied at all. They really cared about

the

> > > fallen souls of kaliyuga like me so they wrote all scriptures

for

> > us.

> > > I hope you will understand me.

> > >

> > > Sanjeev

> > >

> > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sanjeev,

> > > >

> > > > You mean all what should be done, I have to do, people like u

> > have

> > > no

> > > > responsibility towards anything, have u ever thought what u r

> > doing

> > > at

> > > > ur end ....., all is my responsibility, So nice of u.

> > > >

> > > > How conveniently u assumed that i have not read scriptures,

> > > somebody

> > > > has done something and u have no single word of

appreciation..

> > > >

> > > > Good Man..... I salute this selfish indian approach.

> > > >

> > > > ~Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sanjeev Narula "

> > <san_narula@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Shri Ram

> > > > > Good Research litsol

> > > > >

> > > > > But before all that you should have read the scriptures

> > properly

> > > and

> > > > > you needed to google a bit more. you have come up with a

very

> > good

> > > > > topic though but you are undermining Indian history. First

of

> > all

> > > if

> > > > > you study how long the yugas are( I wont go in detail), you

> > will

> > > find

> > > > > Shri Ram was born million of years ago.

> > > > > And the same with the Adams bridge. I am just pasting the

links

> > > here

> > > > > which shows the truth

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.rense.com/general30/nasa.htm

> > > > > http://www.unexplained-

> > > > > mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t86417.html

> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/uk20020/bridge_Srilanka_review.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S- Also study Intelligent Design theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Somebody forwarded this mail to me, posting same for the

> > > interest

> > > > > and

> > > > > > awareness of the group members - Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord Ram was for real.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We Indians are the products of one of the oldest

> > civilisations.

> > > We

> > > > > need

> > > > > > to be really proud of our ancient history and cultural

> > heritage.

> > > > > > However, during the British Rule, we developed an

inferiority

> > > > > complex,

> > > > > > which adversely affected our quest to unearth facts

relating

> > to

> > > our

> > > > > > glorious past. But our young and educated men and women,

born

> > > and

> > > > > > brought up in independent India, are capable of

unearthing

> > the

> > > true

> > > > > > facts and are confident enough to evaluate these

objectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Ram being most basic to Indian " ethos " , it is

necessary

> > to

> > > > > know who

> > > > > > is Shri Ram? Was he really born? If yes, when and where?

As is

> > > > > believed

> > > > > > by crores of people did he really put his feet on the

Indian

> > > > > territory

> > > > > > from North to South, reducing the sufferings of mankind

and

> > > ensuring

> > > > > > victory of good over evil? Let us take a look at

historical

> > > facts:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by

Maharishi

> > > > > Valmiki in

> > > > > > the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was

crowned as

> > > the

> > > > > king

> > > > > > of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as

he

> > has

> > > made

> > > > > > sequential astronomical references on important dates

related

> > > to the

> > > > > > life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-

a-vis

> > > zodiac

> > > > > > constellations and the other stars (nakshatras).

Needless to

> > add

> > > > > that

> > > > > > similar position of planets and nakshatras is not

repeated in

> > > > > thousands

> > > > > > of years. By entering the precise details of the

planetary

> > > > > configuration

> > > > > > of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given

in

> > the

> > > > > Valmiki

> > > > > > Ramayan in the software named " Planetarium " corresponding

> > exact

> > > > > dates of

> > > > > > these events according to the English calendar can be

known.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had

> > acquired

> > > this

> > > > > > software from the US. It is used to predict the

solar/lunar

> > > > > eclipses and

> > > > > > distance and location of other planets from earth. He

entered

> > > the

> > > > > > relevant details about the planetary positions narrated

by

> > > Maharishi

> > > > > > Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing

results,

> > > which

> > > > > > almost determine the important dates starting from the

birth

> > of

> > > > > Shri Ram

> > > > > > to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years

of

> > > exile.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and

> > shloka

> > > > > eight

> > > > > > and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth

tithi of

> > > Chaitra

> > > > > > month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis

zodiac

> > > > > > constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i)

Sun in

> > > > > Aries; ii)

> > > > > > Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in

Pisces;

> > v)

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day

after

> > no

> > > moon;

> > > > > > viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east);

ix)

> > Moon

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day

time

> > > (around

> > > > > > noon).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This data, was fed into the software. The results

indicated

> > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of

> > > January 10,

> > > > > > 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC

(7121

> > > years

> > > > > > back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of

> > Shukla

> > > > > Paksha

> > > > > > in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1

noontime.

> > This

> > > is

> > > > > > exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated

all

> > over

> > > > > India.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be

ascertained

> > from

> > > > > several

> > > > > > books written by Indian and foreign authors before and

after

> > the

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's

> > > Raghuvansam,

> > > > > > Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have

narrated in

> > > great

> > > > > > detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of

Ayodhya

> > > which

> > > > > had

> > > > > > many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom.

Ayodhya

> > was

> > > > > located

> > > > > > on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal

> > Pradesh

> > > on

> > > > > one

> > > > > > side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years

is a

> > > very

> > > > > long

> > > > > > period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and

foreign

> > > > > invasions

> > > > > > change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings

and

> > > alter

> > > > > the

> > > > > > territories. Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts

is

> > > > > monumental.

> > > > > > The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers

have

> > > changed

> > > > > their

> > > > > > course about 40 km north/south.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year

as

> > per

> > > > > Valmiki

> > > > > > Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan

> > > (Sidhhashram).

> > > > > From

> > > > > > there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he

> > married

> > > > > Sita

> > > > > > after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone

along the

> > > route

> > > > > > adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan

and

> > > found 23

> > > > > > places which have memorials that commemorate the events

> > related

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat,

> > Tadka

> > > Van,

> > > > > > Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita

> > Kund,

> > > etc.

> > > > > > Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious

> > > characters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki

> > Ramayan's

> > > > > Ayodhya

> > > > > > Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the

king

> > > > > because

> > > > > > Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra, and

normally

> > > under

> > > > > such

> > > > > > planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a

victim of

> > > > > > conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his

> > > nakshatra

> > > > > was

> > > > > > Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on

the

> > > January

> > > > > 5,

> > > > > > 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left

Ayodhya

> > for

> > > 14

> > > > > years

> > > > > > of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-

5089).

> > > There

> > > > > are

> > > > > > several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that

Shri

> > Ram

> > > was

> > > > > > 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time

of

> > war

> > > with

> > > > > > Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's

exile. It

> > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle.

> > When

> > > this

> > > > > data

> > > > > > was entered, the software indicated that there was a

solar

> > > eclipse

> > > > > on

> > > > > > October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen

from

> > > > > Panchvati.

> > > > > > The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was

in

> > the

> > > > > middle,

> > > > > > on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side

were

> > > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations

described in

> > > > > various

> > > > > > other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed

works out

> > > to be

> > > > > > December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of

exile

> > on

> > > > > January

> > > > > > 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla

Paksha in

> > > Chaitra

> > > > > > month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age

of 39

> > > > > > (5114-5075).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited

by

> > Shri

> > > Ram

> > > > > > during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places

stated

> > as

> > > > > visited

> > > > > > by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from

Ayodhya he

> > > went

> > > > > right

> > > > > > upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have

the

> > > memorials

> > > > > > connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana

relating to

> > the

> > > > > life of

> > > > > > Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah),

> > > Shringverpur

> > > > > > (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad),

Atri

> > > Ashram,

> > > > > > Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on

banks

> > of

> > > > > > Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in

> > Triambakeshwar

> > > near

> > > > > > Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai),

> > > Dhanushkoti

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Rameshwar temple.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (The writer is a Commissioner of Income Tax posted at

Delhi.

> > The

> > > > > article

> > > > > > will conclude on the Oped page on Monday)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

-----

> > --

> > > ----

> > > > > ----\

> > > > > > -----------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army

> > > constructed

> > > > > a

> > > > > > bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After

> > > crossing

> > > > > this

> > > > > > bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently,

NASA

> > put

> > > > > pictures

> > > > > > (reproduced here) on the Internet of a man-made bridge,

the

> > > ruins of

> > > > > > which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between

Rameshwaram

> > > and Sri

> > > > > > Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed

the

> > > desire

> > > > > to

> > > > > > develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans

believe

> > this

> > > was

> > > > > > Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in

> > 5076

> > > BC).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the

> > > > > Suryavansh and

> > > > > > he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and

other

> > > relevant

> > > > > > particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka

> > Itihas

> > > > > written

> > > > > > about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his

book, The

> > > > > > Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63

> > ancestors

> > > of

> > > > > Shri

> > > > > > Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been

> > traced

> > > > > out as:

> > > > > > Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King

Dilip

> > and

> > > so

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat,

> > > everywhere

> > > > > > people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence,

> > > particularly

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh

and

> > the

> > > > > > North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these

areas

> > > revolve

> > > > > > around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri

Krishna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and

> > Sita

> > > are

> > > > > true

> > > > > > cultural and social heritage of every Indian

irrespective of

> > > caste

> > > > > and

> > > > > > creed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri

Ram

> > > > > belonged to

> > > > > > the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not

> > born

> > > and

> > > > > > Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The

> > words

> > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India)

were

> > > > > synonymous.

> > > > > > India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and

> > Aryavarta

> > > > > (where

> > > > > > Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of " Hindus " - derived

from

> > word

> > > > > Indus).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on

birth

> > were

> > > > > > non-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be

of

> > > shudra

> > > > > class

> > > > > > (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his

adopted

> > > daughter

> > > > > > after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew

in his

> > > > > ashram as

> > > > > > his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that

Valmiki

> > was

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > the first great astronomer and that his study of

planetary

> > > > > > configurations has stood the test of times. Even the

latest

> > > computer

> > > > > > softwares have corroborated his astronomical

calculations,

> > which

> > > > > proves

> > > > > > that he did not commit any error.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe.

Shri

> > Ram's

> > > > > army,

> > > > > > which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by

various

> > > tribals

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Central and South India. The facts, events and all other

> > details

> > > > > > relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage

of

> > all

> > > the

> > > > > > Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes,

Muslims,

> > > > > > Christians, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ

was

> > born

> > > > > 2,000

> > > > > > years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back,

whereas

> > > Ram was

> > > > > > born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details

> > relating

> > > to

> > > > > Shri

> > > > > > Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction

caused

> > by

> > > > > floods,

> > > > > > earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater.

But,

> > > should

> > > > > that

> > > > > > stop our quest for learning more about our cultural

heritage?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the

Indian

> > > > > > civilisation is the most ancient civilisation today. It

is

> > > certainly

> > > > > > more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the

> > story

> > > of

> > > > > Aryan

> > > > > > invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation.

In

> > > fact Max

> > > > > > Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself

> > rejected

> > > > > it. Let

> > > > > > us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated

in the

> > > > > schools

> > > > > > based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that

> > > everything

> > > > > > Indian was inferior and that entire " Indian literature

was

> > not

> > > worth

> > > > > > even one book rack in England " . If there were

similarities in

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > features of Indian people and people from Central

Europe, then

> > > > > automatic

> > > > > > inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe

invaded

> > > > > India and

> > > > > > settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

> > > Therefore,

> > > > > > there is urgency for the historians and all other

> > intellectuals

> > > to

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to

gather, dig

> > > out,

> > > > > > search, unearth and analyse all the evidences, which

would

> > throw

> > > > > more

> > > > > > light on ancient Indian civilisation and culture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is need for the print and the electronic media to

take

> > > note of

> > > > > > these facts and create atmosphere which would motivate

our

> > > young and

> > > > > > educated youth to carry out research and unearth true

facts

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ancient Indian civilisation and wisdom and would also

> > encourage

> > > > > them to

> > > > > > put across the results of their research before the

people

> > > > > fearlessly

> > > > > > and with a sense of pride!

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[Guest guest]

I do not think anything is wrong in probing our scriptures for history and

other sciences, though the main purpose of these books is not conveying

history or sciences.

 

this is so, because of two facts: one, the texts that are meant for history

and sciences such as astronomy, metereology are so badly extinct that we

need to look for indirect references made in Vedas and other scriptures.

 

The second reason is more compelling than the first- that there was, is and

perhaps would continue to be forever an attempt to pervert our history and

deny that ancient Indians knew any sciences.

 

Both these call for an intensified effort to study our history in a very

unbiased way.

 

So far as Sri Ram is concerned, I have some effort sometime ago to construct

the chart through discussion.

 

 

kishore patnaik

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

// that we need to look for indirect references

made in Vedas and other scriptures. //

 

Very true.

And the classics have a lot to offer,

if one can make use of the references

contained therein, and they are authentic

too.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> I do not think anything is wrong in probing our scriptures for

history and

> other sciences, though the main purpose of these books is not

conveying

> history or sciences.

>

> this is so, because of two facts: one, the texts that are meant

for history

> and sciences such as astronomy, metereology are so badly extinct

that we

> need to look for indirect references made in Vedas and other

scriptures.

>

> The second reason is more compelling than the first- that there

was, is and

> perhaps would continue to be forever an attempt to pervert our

history and

> deny that ancient Indians knew any sciences.

>

> Both these call for an intensified effort to study our history in

a very

> unbiased way.

>

> So far as Sri Ram is concerned, I have some effort sometime ago to

construct

> the chart through discussion.

>

>

> kishore patnaik

>

>

>