Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Bhaskarji, You are right Sir. Krishna Bhakti can overcome the negative Yogas in a chart (one has to have the requisite amount of Bhakti which is another matter however) Regards, aavesh Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Namaskaar Aavesh ji, Thanks for reminding me. I used to see my own chart and the Yogas many years back and feel happy about it. Now have stopped feeling happy or sad, but just left all to the Great Lord Shri Krishna. regards, Bhaskar. , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji, > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it makes the pnative very miserly. > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha Yoga,12th from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga. > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma Yoga is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused (Planets exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas) > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Sir, > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are > right about the placements and the retrogression > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup > in my chart.. These both planets move to the > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart. > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence), > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Many thanks for warm mail. > > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply dispositors > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength / > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course - bhava > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart. > > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I may > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar rasi > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th placement of > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava. and it > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd from > natal moon. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web > > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for > Parfulla and > > > all) > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji, > > > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said. > > > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a > > > year and a halfs time. > > > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed. > > > I willl have to check up that. > > > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence > > > on the Forum. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Krishna ji > > >> > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as > pure > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly - > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th from > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house from > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects > also). > > >> > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness, > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent > approach. > > >> > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!! > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web > > >> > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! > > >> > > >> ************************************************ > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> krishna_1998@ > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST) > > >>> > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for > > > Parfulla > > >>> and all) > > >>> > > >>> Dear Prafulla, > > >>> > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention: > > >>> > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the > > > lagna - then > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, > > > 9th and > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 > > > th > > >>> house). " > > >>> > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be > > > looking at the > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - > to > > > study > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at > > > Vimshottari > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of > > > Jupiter and > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one > > > should > > >>> look at to study MKS placement. > > >>> > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in > > > MKS. My > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far. > > > Mine isLeo > > >>> lagna. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Krishna > > >>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>> Dear John > > >>> > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments: > > >>> > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede > > > basics. > > >>>>> > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear > > > contradictory > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart > > > from a > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts. > > >>> > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading > > > a chart - > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question > is > > > very > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics? > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue > > > than > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - > > > does MKS > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak? > > >>>> > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. > All > > > of > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two > > > houses. > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik > or > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both > > > qualities of > > >>>> the planet involved. For example, > > >>> > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean > > > it to be > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for > > > different > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is > > > weak.. My > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal - do you > > > consider it > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning? > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house > > > signification > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be > > > fortunate > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that > his > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another. > > >>>> > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the > > > lord of > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status. > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that > > > the > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or > > > the > > >>>> other. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. > > > For karka > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its > > > placement will > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is > > > basic law). > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even > > > for karka > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for > karka > > > lagna. > > >>> > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it. > > >>> > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the > lagna - > > > then in > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th > > > and 11th > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th > > > house). > > >>> > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at > > > balancing and > > >>> counter factors. > > >>> > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the > > > malefic > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question. > > >>> > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? > So > > > again - > > >>> your pointer is not convincing. > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> John R. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web > > >>> > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! > > >>> > > >>> ************************************************ > > >>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be > decided > > > by > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its > > > natural > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do > well - > > > if > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of > > > these > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very > > > important to > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy > > > jyotish > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D > > > charts for > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net] > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web > > >>>>> > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ************************************************ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> jr_esq@ > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for > > > Tarun and > > >>>> all) > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should > > > consider > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. > As > > >>>> such, > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the > > >>>> person's > > >>>>> life situation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka > > > karaka > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then > > > its > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should > > > check > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is > > > strong in > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS > indicators > > >>>> will > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS > > > indicators may > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets; > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets; > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra; > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes > > > artistic > > >>>>> abilities). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in > the > > > 9th > > >>>>> house. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> John R. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hello John, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in > 3rd > > >>>>> house > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which > planet > > >>>>> should > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, > > > and > > >>>>> also > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected > > >>>> houses. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always > take > > > 3rd > > >>>>>> house guru as bad. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Warm Regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tarun > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth > > > data? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> John R. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or > > > mars ?? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ?? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house. > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and > > > enlighten > > >>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>> Tarun > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak " > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart > > >>>>>> where > > >>>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in. > > >>>> The > > >>>>>>>> native > > >>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know > > >>>>>> more > > >>>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>>> learned > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969 > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs. > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about > > >>>> Jupiter...then > > >>>>>>>> please > > >>>>>>>>> continue > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread. > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a > > >>>>> marana > > >>>>>>>> karaka > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a > > >>>>>> spiritual > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So, > > >>>>>> Jupiter > > >>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>> out > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it > > >>>>>>> should. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009 > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Dear all I was following up the thread on Jup in 3rd house. What if Ju is exalted/debilitated in the 3rd house? I have heard another opinion that those who have benefics in 3rd house, like Ju, are extremely fortunate (maybe because of their aspect to 9th H?). Such people, if they want something, it comes to them without their having to actively work for it. On the contrary, people who have malefics in the 3rd house have to fight for it and then get it. So there is another opinion that Ju or benefics in the third is good. What do members of this group have to say? All opinions are welcome. Regards to all Smitha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I have this horoscope of a person who has Jup® in 3rd house and exchanged places with Mer in 6thH. Her lagna is Kataka. DTP of Birth: Female 31/01/1957 @ 1803hrs Kochi, Kerala Thank you Prad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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