Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dear Krishnaji and Prafullaji, Guru is a BENIFIC for Simha Lagna as it rules the 5th (which happens to be it's Moolatrikona Rasi) The ownership of the 8th house will reduce the benificience to a certain extent Regards, aavesh Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Prafulla ji, Greetings to the Leo lagna native :-) Yes, I totally agree with your statements. Jupiter should be judged by the ownership of Dhanu more than the ownership of Pieces. For Leo lagna Jupiter owns 5th as Dhanus, a Kona Lord. Regards, Krishna Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: Dear Krishna ji For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as pure benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly - for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th from meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house from meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects also). Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness, but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent approach. Nice to know another leo lagna native !!! regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.vedic-jyotish.net Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! ************************************************ > > krishna_1998 > Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST) > > RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Parfulla > and all) > > Dear Prafulla, > > The following point you made caught my attention: > > " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then > in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and > 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th > house). " > > I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be looking at the > MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to study > the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at Vimshottari > dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of Jupiter and > houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one should > look at to study MKS placement. > > It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in MKS. My > Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far. Mine isLeo > lagna. > > Regards, > Krishna > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear John > > Please read my reply underneath our comments: > >> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics. >>> >> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory >> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a >> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the >> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts. > > Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading a chart - > but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is very > basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics? > >> >> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than >> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS >> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak? >> >> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of >> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses. >> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or >> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of >> the planet involved. For example, > > When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean it to be > negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for different > ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is weak.. My > question is still the same..other things being equal - do you consider it > a weak positioning or negative positioning? > >> >> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th >> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification >> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate >> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his >> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another. >> >> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of >> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status. >> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the >> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the >> other. >> > > Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. For karka > lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its placement will > simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is basic law). > Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even for karka > placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for karka lagna. > > When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it. > > My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in > 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th > (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house). > > Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at balancing and > counter factors. > >> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic >> and benefic nature of the planet in question. > > Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So again - > your pointer is not convincing. > >> >> Regards, >> >> John R. >> >> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! > > ************************************************ > >>> >>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by >> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural >> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if >> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these >> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house. >>> >>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed >> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to >> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish >> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for >> the variances amongst ayanamsa. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net] >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web >>> >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them! >>> >>> ************************************************ >>> >>> >>> jr_esq >>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and >> all) >>> Namaste Tarun, >>> >>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider >>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in >>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As >> such, >>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the >> person's >>> life situation. >>> >>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka >>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its >>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check >>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in >>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators >> will >>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may >>> be somewhat mitigated. >>> >>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be: >>> >>> 1. Exalted planets; >>> >>> 2. Moolatrikona planets; >>> >>> 3. Planets in swakshetra; >>> >>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic >>> abilities). >>> >>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th >>> house. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John R. >>> >>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello John, >>>> >>>> I am not asking for myself. >>>> >>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd >>> house >>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet >>> should >>>> be placed in that house to get full results ? >>>> >>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and >>> also >>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected >> houses. >>>> >>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd >>>> house guru as bad. >>>> >>>> I hope you will understand my point. >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> >>>> Tarun >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Namaste Tarun, >>>>> >>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the >>> planets >>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> John R. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello John, Bipul, >>>>>> >>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house. >>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten >>>> this >>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Tarun >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak " >>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart >>>> where >>>>>> this >>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in. >> The >>>>>> native >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know >>>> more >>>>>> from >>>>>>> learned >>>>>>>> people. I give details below >>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969 >>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India >>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs. >>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about >> Jupiter...then >>>>>> please >>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>> the thread. >>>>>>>> Reagrds, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To All: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a >>> marana >>>>>> karaka >>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer >>> with >>>>> this >>>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a >>>> spiritual >>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So, >>>> Jupiter >>>>>> is >>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it >>>>> should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John R. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak >>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009 >>>>>>>> Paris, France >>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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