Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Parfulla and all)

January 6, 2008

Namaste Parfulla,

My responses are as follows:

1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics.

>

Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory

at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a

holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than

its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS

makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of

the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses.

Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of

the planet involved. For example,

For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

other.

In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic

and benefic nature of the planet in question.

Regards,

John R.

>

> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by

its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural

relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if

benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these

three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>

> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to

focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish

around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for

the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>

> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>

> ************************************************

>

> jr_esq

> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>

> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and

all)

> Namaste Tarun,

>

> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider

> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

such,

> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

person's

> life situation.

>

> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka

> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its

> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check

> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in

> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

will

> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may

> be somewhat mitigated.

>

> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>

> 1. Exalted planets;

>

> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>

> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>

> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic

> abilities).

>

> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th

> house.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello John,

> >

> > I am not asking for myself.

> >

> > I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

> house

> > and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

> should

> > be placed in that house to get full results ?

> >

> > Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and

> also

> > the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

houses.

> >

> > I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd

> > house guru as bad.

> >

> > I hope you will understand my point.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Tarun,

> > >

> > > It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

> planets

> > > are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello John, Bipul,

> > > >

> > > > so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ??

> > > >

> > > > venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > >

> > > > i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten

> > this

> > > > issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > > > , " Bipul Pathak "

> > > > > <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > > This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

> > where

> > > > this

> > > > > > configuration exists with many other factors built in.

The

> > > > native

> > > > > has

> > > > > > started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

> > more

> > > > from

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > people. I give details below

> > > > > > DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > > > POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

> > > > > > TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > > > I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > > > If anyone is interested in discussion about

Jupiter...then

> > > > please

> > > > > continue

> > > > > > the thread.

> > > > > > Reagrds,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

> marana

> > > > karaka

> > > > > > > sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

> with

> > > this

> > > > > > > configuration.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

> > Jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of his environment and would not function as well as it

> > > should.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Bipul Pathak

> > > > > > HEC MBA 2009

> > > > > > Paris, France

> > > > > > +33-1-39679231

> > > > > >

January 6, 2008

John and others,

Never go by one rule. Jupiter is 3rd house is MKS sthana, it is weak

etc. will be an absolute mistake to take it literally and judge a chart.

John - None of the below mentioned observations are true / are not

correct for George Bush's chart. See his (Cancer lagna) moon and

Jupiter is in 3rd house. Great father (another President). Not sickly

at all. Look at his brothers and sisters -well placed. Including one

who was a Governor of Florida. So conclude that Ju in 3rd for cancer

lagna has some short comings is wrong. His luck is strong, because

Jupiter aspects his own house (Pisces).

My 2 cents.

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>

> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

> other.

>

January 6, 2008

Dear John

Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics.

>>

> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory

> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a

> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading a chart - but

not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is very basic - can a

sub rule supercede the basics?

>

> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than

> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS

> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

>

> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of

> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses.

> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of

> the planet involved. For example,

When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean it to be

negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for different ascendants

here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is weak.. My question is still

the same..other things being equal - do you consider it a weak positioning or

negative positioning?

>

> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>

> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

> other.

>

Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. For karka lagna -

jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its placement will simply afflict

the house it is placed and aspecting (this is basic law). Now even if it is not

in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even for karka placement (exalted) - it will

afflcit health of native for karka lagna.

When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in 3rd

house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th (simply for

its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house).

Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at balancing and counter

factors.

> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic

> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So again - your

pointer is not convincing.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

************************************************

>>

>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by

> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural

> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if

> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these

> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>>

>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to

> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish

> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for

> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>

>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>

>> ************************************************

>>

>> jr_esq

>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>>

>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and

> all)

>> Namaste Tarun,

>>

>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider

>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

> such,

>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

> person's

>> life situation.

>>

>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka

>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its

>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check

>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in

>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

> will

>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may

>> be somewhat mitigated.

>>

>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>>

>> 1. Exalted planets;

>>

>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>>

>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>>

>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic

>> abilities).

>>

>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th

>> house.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> John R.

>>

>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello John,

>>>

>>> I am not asking for myself.

>>>

>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

>> house

>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

>> should

>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

>>>

>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and

>> also

>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

> houses.

>>>

>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd

>>> house guru as bad.

>>>

>>> I hope you will understand my point.

>>>

>>> Warm Regards,

>>>

>>> Tarun

>>>

>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>

>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

>> planets

>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data?

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> John R.

>>>>

>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

>>>>>

>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ??

>>>>>

>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

>>>>>

>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten

>>> this

>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>

>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

>>> where

>>>>> this

>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

> The

>>>>> native

>>>>>> has

>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

>>> more

>>>>> from

>>>>>> learned

>>>>>>> people. I give details below

>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> Jupiter...then

>>>>> please

>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>> the thread.

>>>>>>> Reagrds,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To All:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

>> marana

>>>>> karaka

>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

>> with

>>>> this

>>>>>>>> configuration.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

>>> spiritual

>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

>>> Jupiter

>>>>> is

>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

>>>> should.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

>>>>>>> Paris, France

>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

>>>>>>>

January 6, 2008

Dear Prafulla,

The following point you made caught my attention:

" My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in 3rd

house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th (simply for

its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house). "

I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be looking at the MKS

position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to study the effects

of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at Vimshottari dasha of Jupiter or

the Narayana Dasha of the placement of Jupiter and houses it owns. In every

likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one should look at to study MKS placement.

It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in MKS. My Jupiter

MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far. Mine isLeo lagna.

Regards,

Krishna

Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

Dear John

Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics.

>>

> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory

> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a

> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading a chart - but

not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is very basic - can a

sub rule supercede the basics?

>

> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than

> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS

> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

>

> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of

> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses.

> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of

> the planet involved. For example,

When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean it to be

negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for different ascendants

here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is weak.. My question is still

the same..other things being equal - do you consider it a weak positioning or

negative positioning?

>

> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>

> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

> other.

>

Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. For karka lagna -

jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its placement will simply afflict

the house it is placed and aspecting (this is basic law). Now even if it is not

in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even for karka placement (exalted) - it will

afflcit health of native for karka lagna.

When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in 3rd

house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th (simply for

its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house).

Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at balancing and counter

factors.

> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic

> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So again - your

pointer is not convincing.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

************************************************

>>

>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by

> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural

> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if

> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these

> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>>

>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to

> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish

> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for

> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>

>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>

>> ************************************************

>>

>> jr_esq

>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>>

>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and

> all)

>> Namaste Tarun,

>>

>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider

>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

> such,

>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

> person's

>> life situation.

>>

>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka

>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its

>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check

>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in

>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

> will

>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may

>> be somewhat mitigated.

>>

>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>>

>> 1. Exalted planets;

>>

>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>>

>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>>

>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic

>> abilities).

>>

>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th

>> house.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> John R.

>>

>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello John,

>>>

>>> I am not asking for myself.

>>>

>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

>> house

>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

>> should

>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

>>>

>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and

>> also

>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

> houses.

>>>

>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd

>>> house guru as bad.

>>>

>>> I hope you will understand my point.

>>>

>>> Warm Regards,

>>>

>>> Tarun

>>>

>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>

>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

>> planets

>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data?

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> John R.

>>>>

>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

>>>>>

>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ??

>>>>>

>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

>>>>>

>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten

>>> this

>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>

>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

>>> where

>>>>> this

>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

> The

>>>>> native

>>>>>> has

>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

>>> more

>>>>> from

>>>>>> learned

>>>>>>> people. I give details below

>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> Jupiter...then

>>>>> please

>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>> the thread.

>>>>>>> Reagrds,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To All:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

>> marana

>>>>> karaka

>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

>> with

>>>> this

>>>>>>>> configuration.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

>>> spiritual

>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

>>> Jupiter

>>>>> is

>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

>>>> should.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

>>>>>>> Paris, France

>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

>>>>>>>

January 6, 2008

Dear Krishna ji

For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as pure benefic (for

its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly - for 3rd house placement

(11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will boost both the houses; and for 8th

lordship - placed in 8th from meena - will have favourable influence on 12th /

2nd house from meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects

also).

Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness, but labelling it

as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent approach.

Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

************************************************

>

> krishna_1998

> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

>

> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Parfulla

> and all)

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> The following point you made caught my attention:

>

> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then

> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and

> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th

> house). "

>

> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be looking at the

> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to study

> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at Vimshottari

> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of Jupiter and

> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one should

> look at to study MKS placement.

>

> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in MKS. My

> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far. Mine isLeo

> lagna.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> Dear John

>

> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

>

>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics.

>>>

>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory

>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a

>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

>

> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading a chart -

> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is very

> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

>

>>

>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than

>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS

>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

>>

>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of

>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses.

>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of

>> the planet involved. For example,

>

> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean it to be

> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for different

> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is weak.. My

> question is still the same..other things being equal - do you consider it

> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

>

>>

>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>>

>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

>> other.

>>

>

> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. For karka

> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its placement will

> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is basic law).

> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even for karka

> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for karka lagna.

>

> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

>

> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in

> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th

> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house).

>

> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at balancing and

> counter factors.

>

>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic

>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

>

> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So again -

> your pointer is not convincing.

>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> John R.

>>

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>

> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>

> ************************************************

>

>>>

>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by

>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural

>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if

>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these

>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>>>

>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to

>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish

>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for

>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>>

>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>>

>>> ************************************************

>>>

>>> jr_esq

>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and

>> all)

>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>

>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider

>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

>> such,

>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

>> person's

>>> life situation.

>>>

>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka

>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its

>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check

>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in

>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

>> will

>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may

>>> be somewhat mitigated.

>>>

>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>>>

>>> 1. Exalted planets;

>>>

>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>>>

>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>>>

>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic

>>> abilities).

>>>

>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th

>>> house.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> John R.

>>>

>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Hello John,

>>>>

>>>> I am not asking for myself.

>>>>

>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

>>> house

>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

>>> should

>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

>>>>

>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and

>>> also

>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

>> houses.

>>>>

>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd

>>>> house guru as bad.

>>>>

>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

>>>>

>>>> Warm Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Tarun

>>>>

>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>>

>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

>>> planets

>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data?

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> John R.

>>>>>

>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten

>>>> this

>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

>>>> where

>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

>> The

>>>>>> native

>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

>>>> more

>>>>>> from

>>>>>>> learned

>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

>> Jupiter...then

>>>>>> please

>>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>>> the thread.

>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> To All:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

>>> marana

>>>>>> karaka

>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

>>> with

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>> configuration.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

>>>> spiritual

>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

>>>>> should.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

>>>>>>>> Paris, France

>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

>>>>>>>>

January 6, 2008

Dear Shri Prafullaji,

Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

But I am wondering how it will behave for me

when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

year and a halfs time.

It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

I willl have to check up that.

Good to see you after a century of abstinence

on the Forum.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji

>

> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as pure

benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly -

for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will

boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th from

meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house from

meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects also).

>

> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness,

but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent approach.

>

> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>

> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > krishna_1998

> > Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> >

> > RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

Parfulla

> > and all)

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > The following point you made caught my attention:

> >

> > " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

lagna - then

> > in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th,

9th and

> > 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11

th

> > house). "

> >

> > I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

looking at the

> > MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to

study

> > the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

Vimshottari

> > dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of

Jupiter and

> > houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one

should

> > look at to study MKS placement.

> >

> > It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in

MKS. My

> > Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far.

Mine isLeo

> > lagna.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Dear John

> >

> > Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> >

> >> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede

basics.

> >>>

> >> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

contradictory

> >> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart

from a

> >> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

> >> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

> >

> > Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading

a chart -

> > but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is

very

> > basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> >

> >>

> >> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue

than

> >> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that -

does MKS

> >> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> >>

> >> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All

of

> >> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two

houses.

> >> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

> >> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

qualities of

> >> the planet involved. For example,

> >

> > When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean

it to be

> > negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for

different

> > ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is

weak.. My

> > question is still the same..other things being equal - do you

consider it

> > a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> >

> >>

> >> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

> >> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

signification

> >> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be

fortunate

> >> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

> >> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> >>

> >> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the

lord of

> >> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> >> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that

the

> >> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or

the

> >> other.

> >>

> >

> > Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter.

For karka

> > lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

placement will

> > simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is

basic law).

> > Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even

for karka

> > placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for karka

lagna.

> >

> > When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> >

> > My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna -

then in

> > 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th

and 11th

> > (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th

house).

> >

> > Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

balancing and

> > counter factors.

> >

> >> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the

malefic

> >> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> >

> > Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So

again -

> > your pointer is not convincing.

> >

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> John R.

> >>

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> >

> > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> >

> > ************************************************

> >

> >>>

> >>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided

by

> >> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its

natural

> >> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well -

if

> >> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of

these

> >> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

> >>>

> >>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

> >> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

important to

> >> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy

jyotish

> >> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D

charts for

> >> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

> >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> >>>

> >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> >>>

> >>> ************************************************

> >>>

> >>> jr_esq@

> >>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

Tarun and

> >> all)

> >>> Namaste Tarun,

> >>>

> >>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should

consider

> >>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

> >>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

> >> such,

> >>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

> >> person's

> >>> life situation.

> >>>

> >>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka

karaka

> >>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then

its

> >>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should

check

> >>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is

strong in

> >>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

> >> will

> >>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

indicators may

> >>> be somewhat mitigated.

> >>>

> >>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

> >>>

> >>> 1. Exalted planets;

> >>>

> >>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> >>>

> >>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> >>>

> >>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes

artistic

> >>> abilities).

> >>>

> >>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the

9th

> >>> house.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>>

> >>> John R.

> >>>

> >>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Hello John,

> >>>>

> >>>> I am not asking for myself.

> >>>>

> >>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

> >>> house

> >>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

> >>> should

> >>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> >>>>

> >>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing,

and

> >>> also

> >>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

> >> houses.

> >>>>

> >>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take

3rd

> >>>> house guru as bad.

> >>>>

> >>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> >>>>

> >>>> Warm Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>> Tarun

> >>>>

> >>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

> >>> planets

> >>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth

data?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> John R.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> >> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or

mars ??

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> >>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

enlighten

> >>>> this

> >>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> >>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hi all,

> >>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

> >>>> where

> >>>>>> this

> >>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

> >> The

> >>>>>> native

> >>>>>>> has

> >>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

> >>>> more

> >>>>>> from

> >>>>>>> learned

> >>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> >>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> >>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

> >>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> >>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> >> Jupiter...then

> >>>>>> please

> >>>>>>> continue

> >>>>>>>> the thread.

> >>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> To All:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

> >>> marana

> >>>>>> karaka

> >>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

> >>> with

> >>>>> this

> >>>>>>>>> configuration.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

> >>>> spiritual

> >>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

> >>>> Jupiter

> >>>>>> is

> >>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

> >>>>> should.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> John R.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> >>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> >>>>>>>> Paris, France

> >>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

> >>>>>>>>

January 7, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji

Many thanks for warm mail.

Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply dispositors (sign as well as

nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength / placement etc) for any planet to

finally deliver. Of course - bhava kundli must be given more weightage than rasi

chart.

I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I may remember - you

have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar rasi (not sure if it is in 6th

house in bhava kundli). 6th placement of Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th

/ 12th and 2nd bhava. and it becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable

placement in 2nd from natal moon.

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

************************************************

>

> bhaskar_jyotish

> Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

>

> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Parfulla and

> all)

>

> Dear Shri Prafullaji,

>

> Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

>

> But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> year and a halfs time.

>

> It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> I willl have to check up that.

>

> Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> on the Forum.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Krishna ji

>>

>> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as pure

> benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly -

> for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will

> boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th from

> meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house from

> meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects also).

>>

>> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness,

> but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent approach.

>>

>> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>

>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>

>> ************************************************

>>

>>>

>>> krishna_1998

>>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

>>>

>>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> Parfulla

>>> and all)

>>>

>>> Dear Prafulla,

>>>

>>> The following point you made caught my attention:

>>>

>>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

> lagna - then

>>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th,

> 9th and

>>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11

> th

>>> house). "

>>>

>>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> looking at the

>>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to

> study

>>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> Vimshottari

>>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of

> Jupiter and

>>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one

> should

>>> look at to study MKS placement.

>>>

>>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in

> MKS. My

>>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far.

> Mine isLeo

>>> lagna.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Krishna

>>>

>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>> Dear John

>>>

>>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

>>>

>>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede

> basics.

>>>>>

>>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> contradictory

>>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart

> from a

>>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

>>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

>>>

>>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading

> a chart -

>>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is

> very

>>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

>>>

>>>>

>>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue

> than

>>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that -

> does MKS

>>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

>>>>

>>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All

> of

>>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two

> houses.

>>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

>>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> qualities of

>>>> the planet involved. For example,

>>>

>>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean

> it to be

>>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for

> different

>>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is

> weak.. My

>>> question is still the same..other things being equal - do you

> consider it

>>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

>>>

>>>>

>>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

>>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> signification

>>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be

> fortunate

>>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

>>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>>>>

>>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the

> lord of

>>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

>>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that

> the

>>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or

> the

>>>> other.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter.

> For karka

>>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> placement will

>>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is

> basic law).

>>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even

> for karka

>>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for karka

> lagna.

>>>

>>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

>>>

>>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna -

> then in

>>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th

> and 11th

>>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th

> house).

>>>

>>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> balancing and

>>> counter factors.

>>>

>>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the

> malefic

>>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

>>>

>>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So

> again -

>>> your pointer is not convincing.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> John R.

>>>>

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>>

>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>>

>>> ************************************************

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided

> by

>>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its

> natural

>>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well -

> if

>>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of

> these

>>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

>>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> important to

>>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy

> jyotish

>>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D

> charts for

>>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

>>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>>>>

>>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>>>>

>>>>> ************************************************

>>>>>

>>>>> jr_esq@

>>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> Tarun and

>>>> all)

>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should

> consider

>>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

>>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

>>>> such,

>>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

>>>> person's

>>>>> life situation.

>>>>>

>>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka

> karaka

>>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then

> its

>>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should

> check

>>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is

> strong in

>>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

>>>> will

>>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> indicators may

>>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

>>>>>

>>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

>>>>>

>>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>>>>>

>>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>>>>>

>>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes

> artistic

>>>>> abilities).

>>>>>

>>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the

> 9th

>>>>> house.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> John R.

>>>>>

>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello John,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

>>>>> house

>>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

>>>>> should

>>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing,

> and

>>>>> also

>>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

>>>> houses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take

> 3rd

>>>>>> house guru as bad.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Warm Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

>>>>> planets

>>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth

> data?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or

> mars ??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

>>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> enlighten

>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

>>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

>>>> The

>>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>> from

>>>>>>>>> learned

>>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

>>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

>>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

>>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

>>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

>>>> Jupiter...then

>>>>>>>> please

>>>>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>>>>> the thread.

>>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> To All:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

>>>>> marana

>>>>>>>> karaka

>>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

>>>>>> spiritual

>>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

>>>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

>>>>>>> should.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

>>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

>>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

>>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

>>>>>>>>>>

January 7, 2008

Dear Prafulla ji,

Greetings to the Leo lagna native :-)

Yes, I totally agree with your statements. Jupiter should be judged by the

ownership of Dhanu more than the ownership of Pieces. For Leo lagna Jupiter owns

5th as Dhanus, a Kona Lord.

Regards,

Krishna

Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

Dear Krishna ji

For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as pure benefic (for

its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly - for 3rd house placement

(11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will boost both the houses; and for 8th

lordship - placed in 8th from meena - will have favourable influence on 12th /

2nd house from meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects

also).

Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness, but labelling it

as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent approach.

Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

************************************************

>

> krishna_1998

> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

>

> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Parfulla

> and all)

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> The following point you made caught my attention:

>

> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then

> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and

> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th

> house). "

>

> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be looking at the

> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is - to study

> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at Vimshottari

> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of Jupiter and

> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one should

> look at to study MKS placement.

>

> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in MKS. My

> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far. Mine isLeo

> lagna.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> Dear John

>

> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

>

>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede basics.

>>>

>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear contradictory

>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart from a

>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

>

> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading a chart -

> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question is very

> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

>

>>

>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue than

>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that - does MKS

>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

>>

>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword. All of

>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two houses.

>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik or

>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both qualities of

>> the planet involved. For example,

>

> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean it to be

> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for different

> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is weak.. My

> question is still the same..other things being equal - do you consider it

> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

>

>>

>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house signification

>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be fortunate

>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that his

>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

>>

>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the lord of

>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that the

>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or the

>> other.

>>

>

> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter. For karka

> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its placement will

> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is basic law).

> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even for karka

> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for karka lagna.

>

> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

>

> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the lagna - then in

> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th and 11th

> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th house).

>

> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at balancing and

> counter factors.

>

>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the malefic

>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

>

> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it? So again -

> your pointer is not convincing.

>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> John R.

>>

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>

> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>

> ************************************************

>

>>>

>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be decided by

>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its natural

>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do well - if

>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of these

>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

>>>

>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very important to

>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy jyotish

>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D charts for

>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>>>

>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>>>

>>> ************************************************

>>>

>>> jr_esq

>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Tarun and

>> all)

>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>

>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should consider

>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart. As

>> such,

>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

>> person's

>>> life situation.

>>>

>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka karaka

>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then its

>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should check

>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is strong in

>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS indicators

>> will

>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS indicators may

>>> be somewhat mitigated.

>>>

>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

>>>

>>> 1. Exalted planets;

>>>

>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

>>>

>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

>>>

>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes artistic

>>> abilities).

>>>

>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in the 9th

>>> house.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> John R.

>>>

>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Hello John,

>>>>

>>>> I am not asking for myself.

>>>>

>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in 3rd

>>> house

>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which planet

>>> should

>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

>>>>

>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing, and

>>> also

>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

>> houses.

>>>>

>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always take 3rd

>>>> house guru as bad.

>>>>

>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

>>>>

>>>> Warm Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Tarun

>>>>

>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

>>>>>

>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

>>> planets

>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth data?

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> John R.

>>>>>

>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or mars ??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

>>>>>>

>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and enlighten

>>>> this

>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

>>>> where

>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

>> The

>>>>>> native

>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

>>>> more

>>>>>> from

>>>>>>> learned

>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

>> Jupiter...then

>>>>>> please

>>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>>> the thread.

>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> To All:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

>>> marana

>>>>>> karaka

>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

>>> with

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>> configuration.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

>>>> spiritual

>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

>>>>> should.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> John R.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

>>>>>>>> Paris, France

>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

>>>>>>>>

January 7, 2008

Sir,

A man of your stature remembering the placements of

planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

right about the placements and the retrogression

part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

in my chart.. These both planets move to the

5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Many thanks for warm mail.

>

> Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply dispositors

(sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength /

placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course - bhava

kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

>

> I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I may

remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar rasi

(not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th placement of

Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava. and it

becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd from

natal moon.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

>

> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

>

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> >

> > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

Parfulla and

> > all)

> >

> > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> >

> > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> >

> > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > year and a halfs time.

> >

> > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > I willl have to check up that.

> >

> > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > on the Forum.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Krishna ji

> >>

> >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as

pure

> > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun). Interestingly -

> > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th - will

> > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th from

> > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house from

> > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects

also).

> >>

> >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its weakness,

> > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

approach.

> >>

> >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> >>

> >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> >>

> >> ************************************************

> >>

> >>>

> >>> krishna_1998@

> >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> >>>

> >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > Parfulla

> >>> and all)

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafulla,

> >>>

> >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> >>>

> >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

> > lagna - then

> >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th,

> > 9th and

> >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11

> > th

> >>> house). "

> >>>

> >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> > looking at the

> >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is -

to

> > study

> >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> > Vimshottari

> >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of

> > Jupiter and

> >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what one

> > should

> >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> >>>

> >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in

> > MKS. My

> >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so far.

> > Mine isLeo

> >>> lagna.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Krishna

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> Dear John

> >>>

> >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> >>>

> >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can supercede

> > basics.

> >>>>>

> >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > contradictory

> >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart

> > from a

> >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

> >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

> >>>

> >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while reading

> > a chart -

> >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My question

is

> > very

> >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different issue

> > than

> >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that -

> > does MKS

> >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> >>>>

> >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge sword.

All

> > of

> >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own two

> > houses.

> >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house (trik

or

> >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > qualities of

> >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> >>>

> >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you mean

> > it to be

> >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for

> > different

> >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd (MKS) is

> > weak.. My

> >>> question is still the same..other things being equal - do you

> > consider it

> >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the 9th

> >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > signification

> >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be

> > fortunate

> >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or, that

his

> >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> >>>>

> >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being the

> > lord of

> >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or that

> > the

> >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one reason or

> > the

> >>>> other.

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of Jupiter.

> > For karka

> >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > placement will

> >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is

> > basic law).

> >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish. Even

> > for karka

> >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for

karka

> > lagna.

> >>>

> >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> >>>

> >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

lagna -

> > then in

> >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th, 9th

> > and 11th

> >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11 th

> > house).

> >>>

> >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> > balancing and

> >>> counter factors.

> >>>

> >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both the

> > malefic

> >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> >>>

> >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't it?

So

> > again -

> >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>> John R.

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> >>>

> >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> >>>

> >>> ************************************************

> >>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be

decided

> > by

> >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its

> > natural

> >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do

well -

> > if

> >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out of

> > these

> >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

> >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > important to

> >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy

> > jyotish

> >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D

> > charts for

> >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-jyotish.net]

> >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> >>>>>

> >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ************************************************

> >>>>>

> >>>>> jr_esq@

> >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > Tarun and

> >>>> all)

> >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should

> > consider

> >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be weighed in

> >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the chart.

As

> >>>> such,

> >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of the

> >>>> person's

> >>>>> life situation.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka

> > karaka

> >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak, then

> > its

> >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one should

> > check

> >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is

> > strong in

> >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

indicators

> >>>> will

> >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > indicators may

> >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would be:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes

> > artistic

> >>>>> abilities).

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position in

the

> > 9th

> >>>>> house.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> John R.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> > wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Hello John,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad in

3rd

> >>>>> house

> >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which

planet

> >>>>> should

> >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri thing,

> > and

> >>>>> also

> >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those aspected

> >>>> houses.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always

take

> > 3rd

> >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of the

> >>>>> planets

> >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your birth

> > data?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> John R.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or

> > mars ??

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > enlighten

> >>>>>> this

> >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a chart

> >>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>> this

> >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built in.

> >>>> The

> >>>>>>>> native

> >>>>>>>>> has

> >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to know

> >>>>>> more

> >>>>>>>> from

> >>>>>>>>> learned

> >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

> >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> >>>> Jupiter...then

> >>>>>>>> please

> >>>>>>>>> continue

> >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

> >>>>> marana

> >>>>>>>> karaka

> >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer

> >>>>> with

> >>>>>>> this

> >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

> >>>>>> spiritual

> >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So,

> >>>>>> Jupiter

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well as it

> >>>>>>> should.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

> >>>>>>>>>>

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