Jupiter in the 3rd House (for Maniv and all)

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, " maniv_pathak "

<maniv_pathak wrote:

>

> John

>

> Thank you for the post: this is a topic that interests me.

 

 

Namaste Maniv,

 

You have to analyze the chart with due care to come up with a fair

assessment of the situation. There will be some mitigating

circumstances as you have indicated. But you will find that the

weakness of Jupiter will appear somewhere in the person's life. For

example, I have a friend who has this configuration. It turns out

that the lord of the 9th house is Jupiter. So, his father died at an

early age.

 

> Jupiter in H3 aspects its own house (9) - what might this imply?

 

If there are no other extenuating indicators, it would appear that

there would be some advantages to the 9th house because of Jupiter's

aspect. But be on the lookout for any negative effects.

 

> Also, the third is also the house of siblings, initiative,

> communication: would these areas not prosper? (Subject to other

> factors of course).

 

You have to evaluate the condition of the third house from the lagna,

arudha lagna, the Moon, the Sun, and the navamsha. If the indicators

are good, then the indicators for the third house would be in fairly

good condition.

 

> And finally wouldn't a spiritual Brahmin (Ju) regulate desires

(sex)

> (H3)?

 

You need to evaluate the other factors in the chart to see if there

are any mitigating circumstances. For example, if the person has a

benefic planet in kendras, then it is possible that the weakness

indicated by Jupiter in the 3rd house would be mitigated.

 

However, if the chart has the conjunction of Mars and Venus in the

chart, it is likely that the person will have a difficult time in

controlling his or her sexual urges.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

>

> Maniv

 

>

>

>

>

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a marana karaka

> > sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will suffer with this

> > configuration.

> >

> > Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a spiritual

> > teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex. So, Jupiter

is

> out

> > of his environment and would not function as well as it should.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Maniv,

 

You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule for

jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " maniv_pathak "

<maniv_pathak wrote:

>

> Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate weakness in

> entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it lords.

This

> micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets, but of

> course is subject to variable macro influences in specific charts.

>

> As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case was

> indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for my

> brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother. MKS

> placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

>

> However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement leads to an

> all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

earlier:

> Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered death or

> death like conditions.

>

> Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses to

derive

> accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as well

as

> rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But one

must

> be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict, e.g. raj

> bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

>

>

> Maniv

>

>

>

>

> , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> >

> > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it makes

> the pnative very miserly.

> >

> > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

Yoga,12th

> from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> >

> > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma Yoga

> is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused (Planets

> exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Sir,

> >

> > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> >

> > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > >

> > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply dispositors

> > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength /

> > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course -

bhava

> > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I may

> > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar rasi

> > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th placement

of

> > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava. and

it

> > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd from

> > natal moon.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > >

> > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > >

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > Parfulla and

> > > > all)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > >

> > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > >

> > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > >

> > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > >

> > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > on the Forum.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > >>

> > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated as

> > pure

> > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> Interestingly -

> > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th -

will

> > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in 8th

from

> > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house

from

> > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava effects

> > also).

> > > >>

> > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

weakness,

> > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

> > approach.

> > > >>

> > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > >>

> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > >>

> > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > >>

> > > >> ************************************************

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

(for

> > > > Parfulla

> > > >>> and all)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

> > > > lagna - then

> > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on

7th,

> > > > 9th and

> > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th

&

> 11

> > > > th

> > > >>> house). "

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> > > > looking at the

> > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider is -

 

> > to

> > > > study

> > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> > > > Vimshottari

> > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement of

> > > > Jupiter and

> > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is what

> one

> > > > should

> > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have Jupiter in

> > > > MKS. My

> > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so

far.

> > > > Mine isLeo

> > > >>> lagna.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Regards,

> > > >>> Krishna

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>> Dear John

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

supercede

> > > > basics.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > > > contradictory

> > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the chart

> > > > from a

> > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include the

> > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional charts.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while

> reading

> > > > a chart -

> > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

question

> > is

> > > > very

> > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is different

> issue

> > > > than

> > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is that -

> > > > does MKS

> > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge

sword.

> > All

> > > > of

> > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes, own

two

> > > > houses.

> > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house

> (trik

> > or

> > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > > > qualities of

> > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did you

> mean

> > > > it to be

> > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role for

> > > > different

> > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd

(MKS)

> is

> > > > weak.. My

> > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal - do

you

> > > > consider it

> > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and the

> 9th

> > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > > > signification

> > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may be

> > > > fortunate

> > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or,

that

> > his

> > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter, being

the

> > > > lord of

> > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS status.

> > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems or

> that

> > > > the

> > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one

reason

> or

> > > > the

> > > >>>> other.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

Jupiter.

> > > > For karka

> > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > > > placement will

> > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting (this is

> > > > basic law).

> > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish.

Even

> > > > for karka

> > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native for

> > karka

> > > > lagna.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for the

> > lagna -

> > > > then in

> > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on 7th,

> 9th

> > > > and 11th

> > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th & 11

th

> > > > house).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> > > > balancing and

> > > >>> counter factors.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to both

the

> > > > malefic

> > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles. isn't

it?

> > So

> > > > again -

> > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> John R.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > >>>

> > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ************************************************

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be

> > decided

> > > > by

> > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and its

> > > > natural

> > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will do

> > well -

> > > > if

> > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses (out

of

> > > > these

> > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th house.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus governed

> > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > > > important to

> > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing fantacy

> > > > jyotish

> > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at wrong D

> > > > charts for

> > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

jyotish.net]

> > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > > > Tarun and

> > > >>>> all)

> > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone should

> > > > consider

> > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

weighed

> in

> > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the

chart.

> > As

> > > >>>> such,

> > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative of

the

> > > >>>> person's

> > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this maraka

> > > > karaka

> > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is weak,

then

> > > > its

> > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one

> should

> > > > check

> > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor is

> > > > strong in

> > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

> > indicators

> > > >>>> will

> > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > > > indicators may

> > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house would

be:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus (promotes

> > > > artistic

> > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS position

in

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > >>>>> house.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> John R.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

<tarun.virgo@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is bad

in

> > 3rd

> > > >>>>> house

> > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then which

> > planet

> > > >>>>> should

> > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri

thing,

> > > > and

> > > >>>>> also

> > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those

aspected

> > > >>>> houses.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to always

> > take

> > > > 3rd

> > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@>

> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all of

the

> > > >>>>> planets

> > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your

birth

> > > > data?

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> <tarun.virgo@>

> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ???? or

> > > > mars ??

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > > > enlighten

> > > >>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have a

> chart

> > > >>>>>> where

> > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors built

in.

> > > >>>> The

> > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like to

> know

> > > >>>>>> more

> > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab, India

> > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is in a

> > > >>>>> marana

> > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will

suffer

> > > >>>>> with

> > > >>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin and a

> > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or sex.

So,

> > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as well

as

> it

> > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> --

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

I still do not understand . What is this MKS ?

Maraka karaka sthana ? What does it mean ?

Does it mean different houses for various planets ?

If so then which houses are MKS for the various

planets ? What is the significance of the MKS ?

What is the rule ? Who made this

rule ? Where do we get to read this rule ?

What are the exceptions ?

 

I am sorry, but really not aware.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> Namaste Maniv,

>

> You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule for

> jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

>

>

, " maniv_pathak "

> <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> >

> > Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate weakness

in

> > entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> > signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it lords.

> This

> > micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets, but

of

> > course is subject to variable macro influences in specific

charts.

> >

> > As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case was

> > indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for my

> > brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother. MKS

> > placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

> >

> > However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement leads to

an

> > all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

> earlier:

> > Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered death

or

> > death like conditions.

> >

> > Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses to

> derive

> > accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as

well

> as

> > rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But one

> must

> > be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict, e.g.

raj

> > bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

> >

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> > >

> > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it

makes

> > the pnative very miserly.

> > >

> > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

> Yoga,12th

> > from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> > >

> > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma

Yoga

> > is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused (Planets

> > exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > aavesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> > >

> > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > > >

> > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply

dispositors

> > > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength /

> > > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course -

> bhava

> > > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I

may

> > > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar

rasi

> > > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th

placement

> of

> > > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava.

and

> it

> > > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd

from

> > > natal moon.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > >

> > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > >

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > > Parfulla and

> > > > > all)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > > >

> > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > > on the Forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > > >>

> > > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated

as

> > > pure

> > > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> > Interestingly -

> > > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th -

> will

> > > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in

8th

> from

> > > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house

> from

> > > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava

effects

> > > also).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

> weakness,

> > > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

> > > approach.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > >>

> > > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> (for

> > > > > Parfulla

> > > > >>> and all)

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

the

> > > > > lagna - then

> > > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences

on

> 7th,

> > > > > 9th and

> > > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of

9th

> &

> > 11

> > > > > th

> > > > >>> house). "

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> > > > > looking at the

> > > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider

is -

>

> > > to

> > > > > study

> > > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement

of

> > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is

what

> > one

> > > > > should

> > > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have

Jupiter in

> > > > > MKS. My

> > > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so

> far.

> > > > > Mine isLeo

> > > > >>> lagna.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > >>> Krishna

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >>> Dear John

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

> supercede

> > > > > basics.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > > > > contradictory

> > > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the

chart

> > > > > from a

> > > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include

the

> > > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional

charts.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while

> > reading

> > > > > a chart -

> > > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

> question

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is

different

> > issue

> > > > > than

> > > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is

that -

> > > > > does MKS

> > > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge

> sword.

> > > All

> > > > > of

> > > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes,

own

> two

> > > > > houses.

> > > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house

> > (trik

> > > or

> > > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > > > > qualities of

> > > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did

you

> > mean

> > > > > it to be

> > > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role

for

> > > > > different

> > > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd

> (MKS)

> > is

> > > > > weak.. My

> > > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal -

do

> you

> > > > > consider it

> > > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and

the

> > 9th

> > > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > > > > signification

> > > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may

be

> > > > > fortunate

> > > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or,

> that

> > > his

> > > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter,

being

> the

> > > > > lord of

> > > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS

status.

> > > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems

or

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one

> reason

> > or

> > > > > the

> > > > >>>> other.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

> Jupiter.

> > > > > For karka

> > > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > > > > placement will

> > > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting

(this is

> > > > > basic law).

> > > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish.

> Even

> > > > > for karka

> > > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native

for

> > > karka

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

the

> > > lagna -

> > > > > then in

> > > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on

7th,

> > 9th

> > > > > and 11th

> > > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th &

11

> th

> > > > > house).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> > > > > balancing and

> > > > >>> counter factors.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to

both

> the

> > > > > malefic

> > > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles.

isn't

> it?

> > > So

> > > > > again -

> > > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> John R.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be

> > > decided

> > > > > by

> > > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and

its

> > > > > natural

> > > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will

do

> > > well -

> > > > > if

> > > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses

(out

> of

> > > > > these

> > > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th

house.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus

governed

> > > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > > > > important to

> > > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing

fantacy

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at

wrong D

> > > > > charts for

> > > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

> jyotish.net]

> > > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

them!

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

(for

> > > > > Tarun and

> > > > >>>> all)

> > > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone

should

> > > > > consider

> > > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

> weighed

> > in

> > > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the

> chart.

> > > As

> > > > >>>> such,

> > > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative

of

> the

> > > > >>>> person's

> > > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this

maraka

> > > > > karaka

> > > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is

weak,

> then

> > > > > its

> > > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one

> > should

> > > > > check

> > > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor

is

> > > > > strong in

> > > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

> > > indicators

> > > > >>>> will

> > > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > > > > indicators may

> > > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house

would

> be:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus

(promotes

> > > > > artistic

> > > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS

position

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > >>>>> house.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> John R.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

> <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is

bad

> in

> > > 3rd

> > > > >>>>> house

> > > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then

which

> > > planet

> > > > >>>>> should

> > > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri

> thing,

> > > > > and

> > > > >>>>> also

> > > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those

> aspected

> > > > >>>> houses.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to

always

> > > take

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all

of

> the

> > > > >>>>> planets

> > > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your

> birth

> > > > > data?

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ????

or

> > > > > mars ??

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > > > > enlighten

> > > > >>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> > > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have

a

> > chart

> > > > >>>>>> where

> > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors

built

> in.

> > > > >>>> The

> > > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like

to

> > know

> > > > >>>>>> more

> > > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab,

India

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is

in a

> > > > >>>>> marana

> > > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will

> suffer

> > > > >>>>> with

> > > > >>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin

and a

> > > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or

sex.

> So,

> > > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as

well

> as

> > it

> > > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> --

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

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[Guest guest]

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I still do not understand . What is this MKS ?

> Maraka karaka sthana ? What does it mean ?

> Does it mean different houses for various planets ?

> If so then which houses are MKS for the various

> planets ? What is the significance of the MKS ?

> What is the rule ? Who made this

> rule ? Where do we get to read this rule ?

> What are the exceptions ?

>

> I am sorry, but really not aware.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> I think when we know karakatvas of planets and bhavas, and other

basic knowledge we don't need such theoretical things. Any planet in

any bhava will give auspicious or not auspicious things, depends of

karakatvas, lordships, etc.

 

Regards,

ashwini

>

>

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Maniv,

> >

> > You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule for

> > jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " maniv_pathak "

> > <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate weakness

> in

> > > entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> > > signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it lords.

> > This

> > > micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets, but

> of

> > > course is subject to variable macro influences in specific

> charts.

> > >

> > > As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case was

> > > indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for my

> > > brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother. MKS

> > > placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

> > >

> > > However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement leads to

> an

> > > all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

> > earlier:

> > > Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered death

> or

> > > death like conditions.

> > >

> > > Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses to

> > derive

> > > accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as

> well

> > as

> > > rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But one

> > must

> > > be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict, e.g.

> raj

> > > bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

> > >

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> > > >

> > > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it

> makes

> > > the pnative very miserly.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

> > Yoga,12th

> > > from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma

> Yoga

> > > is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused (Planets

> > > exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > > > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > > > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > > > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > > > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > > > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> > > >

> > > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > > > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > > > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply

> dispositors

> > > > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength /

> > > > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course -

> > bhava

> > > > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I

> may

> > > > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar

> rasi

> > > > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th

> placement

> > of

> > > > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava.

> and

> > it

> > > > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd

> from

> > > > natal moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > >

> > > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > >

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > > > Parfulla and

> > > > > > all)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > > > on the Forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated

> as

> > > > pure

> > > > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> > > Interestingly -

> > > > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th -

> > will

> > > > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in

> 8th

> > from

> > > > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house

> > from

> > > > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava

> effects

> > > > also).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

> > weakness,

> > > > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

> > > > approach.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> > (for

> > > > > > Parfulla

> > > > > >>> and all)

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> the

> > > > > > lagna - then

> > > > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences

> on

> > 7th,

> > > > > > 9th and

> > > > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of

> 9th

> > &

> > > 11

> > > > > > th

> > > > > >>> house). "

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> > > > > > looking at the

> > > > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider

> is -

> >

> > > > to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> > > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement

> of

> > > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is

> what

> > > one

> > > > > > should

> > > > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have

> Jupiter in

> > > > > > MKS. My

> > > > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so

> > far.

> > > > > > Mine isLeo

> > > > > >>> lagna.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > >>> Krishna

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> Dear John

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

> > supercede

> > > > > > basics.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the

> chart

> > > > > > from a

> > > > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include

> the

> > > > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional

> charts.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while

> > > reading

> > > > > > a chart -

> > > > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

> > question

> > > > is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is

> different

> > > issue

> > > > > > than

> > > > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is

> that -

> > > > > > does MKS

> > > > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge

> > sword.

> > > > All

> > > > > > of

> > > > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes,

> own

> > two

> > > > > > houses.

> > > > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house

> > > (trik

> > > > or

> > > > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > > > > > qualities of

> > > > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did

> you

> > > mean

> > > > > > it to be

> > > > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role

> for

> > > > > > different

> > > > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd

> > (MKS)

> > > is

> > > > > > weak.. My

> > > > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal -

> do

> > you

> > > > > > consider it

> > > > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may

> be

> > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or,

> > that

> > > > his

> > > > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter,

> being

> > the

> > > > > > lord of

> > > > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS

> status.

> > > > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems

> or

> > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one

> > reason

> > > or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>> other.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

> > Jupiter.

> > > > > > For karka

> > > > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > > > > > placement will

> > > > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting

> (this is

> > > > > > basic law).

> > > > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish.

> > Even

> > > > > > for karka

> > > > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native

> for

> > > > karka

> > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> the

> > > > lagna -

> > > > > > then in

> > > > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on

> 7th,

> > > 9th

> > > > > > and 11th

> > > > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th &

> 11

> > th

> > > > > > house).

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> > > > > > balancing and

> > > > > >>> counter factors.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to

> both

> > the

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles.

> isn't

> > it?

> > > > So

> > > > > > again -

> > > > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be

> > > > decided

> > > > > > by

> > > > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and

> its

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will

> do

> > > > well -

> > > > > > if

> > > > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses

> (out

> > of

> > > > > > these

> > > > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th

> house.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus

> governed

> > > > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > > > > > important to

> > > > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing

> fantacy

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at

> wrong D

> > > > > > charts for

> > > > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

> > jyotish.net]

> > > > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

> them!

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> (for

> > > > > > Tarun and

> > > > > >>>> all)

> > > > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone

> should

> > > > > > consider

> > > > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

> > weighed

> > > in

> > > > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the

> > chart.

> > > > As

> > > > > >>>> such,

> > > > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative

> of

> > the

> > > > > >>>> person's

> > > > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this

> maraka

> > > > > > karaka

> > > > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is

> weak,

> > then

> > > > > > its

> > > > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one

> > > should

> > > > > > check

> > > > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor

> is

> > > > > > strong in

> > > > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

> > > > indicators

> > > > > >>>> will

> > > > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > > > > > indicators may

> > > > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house

> would

> > be:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus

> (promotes

> > > > > > artistic

> > > > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS

> position

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > >>>>> house.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

> > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is

> bad

> > in

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > >>>>> house

> > > > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then

> which

> > > > planet

> > > > > >>>>> should

> > > > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri

> > thing,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those

> > aspected

> > > > > >>>> houses.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to

> always

> > > > take

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all

> of

> > the

> > > > > >>>>> planets

> > > > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your

> > birth

> > > > > > data?

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ????

> or

> > > > > > mars ??

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > > > > > enlighten

> > > > > >>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have

> a

> > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>> where

> > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors

> built

> > in.

> > > > > >>>> The

> > > > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like

> to

> > > know

> > > > > >>>>>> more

> > > > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab,

> India

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is

> in a

> > > > > >>>>> marana

> > > > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will

> > suffer

> > > > > >>>>> with

> > > > > >>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin

> and a

> > > > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or

> sex.

> > So,

> > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as

> well

> > as

> > > it

> > > > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> --

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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<ashwinikumaras wrote:

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I still do not understand . What is this MKS ?

> > Maraka karaka sthana ? What does it mean ?

> > Does it mean different houses for various planets ?

> > If so then which houses are MKS for the various

> > planets ? What is the significance of the MKS ?

> > What is the rule ? Who made this

> > rule ? Where do we get to read this rule ?

> > What are the exceptions ?

> >

> > I am sorry, but really not aware.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > I think when we know karakatvas of planets and bhavas, and other

> basic knowledge we don't need such theoretical things. Any planet in

> any bhava will give auspicious or not auspicious things, depends of

> karakatvas, lordships, etc.

>

> Regards,

> ashwini

> > Guru in third bhava will be good for some karakatvas of bhava, and

not so good for some karakatvas of Guru. For example: It is generally

good for brothers, but that person will have sometimes selfish

interest in practicing spirituality. Because this is kama bhava and

interest in spirituality will not be so pure and unselfish. But this

is generally, depends of lordships, etc.

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Maniv,

> > >

> > > You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule for

> > > jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " maniv_pathak "

> > > <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate weakness

> > in

> > > > entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> > > > signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it lords.

> > > This

> > > > micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets, but

> > of

> > > > course is subject to variable macro influences in specific

> > charts.

> > > >

> > > > As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case was

> > > > indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for my

> > > > brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother. MKS

> > > > placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

> > > >

> > > > However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement leads to

> > an

> > > > all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

> > > earlier:

> > > > Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered death

> > or

> > > > death like conditions.

> > > >

> > > > Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses to

> > > derive

> > > > accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But one

> > > must

> > > > be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict, e.g.

> > raj

> > > > bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it

> > makes

> > > > the pnative very miserly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

> > > Yoga,12th

> > > > from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma

> > Yoga

> > > > is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused (Planets

> > > > exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > > > > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > > > > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > > > > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > > > > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > > > > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > > > > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > > > > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply

> > dispositors

> > > > > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's strength /

> > > > > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course -

> > > bhava

> > > > > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I

> > may

> > > > > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar

> > rasi

> > > > > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th

> > placement

> > > of

> > > > > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava.

> > and

> > > it

> > > > > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd

> > from

> > > > > natal moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > > > > Parfulla and

> > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > > > > on the Forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is rated

> > as

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> > > > Interestingly -

> > > > > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th -

> > > will

> > > > > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in

> > 8th

> > > from

> > > > > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd house

> > > from

> > > > > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava

> > effects

> > > > > also).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

> > > weakness,

> > > > > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

> > > > > approach.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > > > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> > > (for

> > > > > > > Parfulla

> > > > > > >>> and all)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> > the

> > > > > > > lagna - then

> > > > > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences

> > on

> > > 7th,

> > > > > > > 9th and

> > > > > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of

> > 9th

> > > &

> > > > 11

> > > > > > > th

> > > > > > >>> house). "

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't be

> > > > > > > looking at the

> > > > > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider

> > is -

> > >

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look at

> > > > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement

> > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is

> > what

> > > > one

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > > > MKS. My

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life so

> > > far.

> > > > > > > Mine isLeo

> > > > > > >>> lagna.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Krishna

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> Dear John

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

> > > supercede

> > > > > > > basics.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the

> > chart

> > > > > > > from a

> > > > > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include

> > the

> > > > > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional

> > charts.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while

> > > > reading

> > > > > > > a chart -

> > > > > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

> > > question

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is

> > different

> > > > issue

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is

> > that -

> > > > > > > does MKS

> > > > > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge

> > > sword.

> > > > > All

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes,

> > own

> > > two

> > > > > > > houses.

> > > > > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative house

> > > > (trik

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > > > > > > qualities of

> > > > > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did

> > you

> > > > mean

> > > > > > > it to be

> > > > > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role

> > for

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd

> > > (MKS)

> > > > is

> > > > > > > weak.. My

> > > > > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal -

> > do

> > > you

> > > > > > > consider it

> > > > > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person may

> > be

> > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies. Or,

> > > that

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or another.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter,

> > being

> > > the

> > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS

> > status.

> > > > > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems

> > or

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one

> > > reason

> > > > or

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> other.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

> > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > For karka

> > > > > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > > > > > > placement will

> > > > > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting

> > (this is

> > > > > > > basic law).

> > > > > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its blemish.

> > > Even

> > > > > > > for karka

> > > > > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native

> > for

> > > > > karka

> > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to it.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> > the

> > > > > lagna -

> > > > > > > then in

> > > > > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on

> > 7th,

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > and 11th

> > > > > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th &

> > 11

> > > th

> > > > > > > house).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look at

> > > > > > > balancing and

> > > > > > >>> counter factors.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles.

> > isn't

> > > it?

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > again -

> > > > > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must be

> > > > > decided

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna) and

> > its

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will

> > do

> > > > > well -

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses

> > (out

> > > of

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th

> > house.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus

> > governed

> > > > > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > > > > > > important to

> > > > > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing

> > fantacy

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at

> > wrong D

> > > > > > > charts for

> > > > > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

> > > jyotish.net]

> > > > > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

> > them!

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > > > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> > (for

> > > > > > > Tarun and

> > > > > > >>>> all)

> > > > > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone

> > should

> > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

> > > weighed

> > > > in

> > > > > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the

> > > chart.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > >>>> such,

> > > > > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>> person's

> > > > > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this

> > maraka

> > > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is

> > weak,

> > > then

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However, one

> > > > should

> > > > > > > check

> > > > > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor

> > is

> > > > > > > strong in

> > > > > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

> > > > > indicators

> > > > > > >>>> will

> > > > > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > > > > > > indicators may

> > > > > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house

> > would

> > > be:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus

> > (promotes

> > > > > > > artistic

> > > > > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS

> > position

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >>>>> house.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is

> > bad

> > > in

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > >>>>> house

> > > > > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then

> > which

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > >>>>> should

> > > > > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri

> > > thing,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>>> houses.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to

> > always

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> planets

> > > > > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post your

> > > birth

> > > > > > > data?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ??? venus ????

> > or

> > > > > > > mars ??

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > > > > > > enlighten

> > > > > > >>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul Pathak "

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have

> > a

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>> where

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors

> > built

> > > in.

> > > > > > >>>> The

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like

> > to

> > > > know

> > > > > > >>>>>> more

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab,

> > India

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > > > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is

> > in a

> > > > > > >>>>> marana

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will

> > > suffer

> > > > > > >>>>> with

> > > > > > >>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin

> > and a

> > > > > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or

> > sex.

> > > So,

> > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > it

> > > > > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Bhaskar,

 

MKS placements, as I have mentioned, are only a small part of the

jigsaw, but a valuable piece that helps paint a fuller picture. As

always in Jyotish, never do the analytical tools work always due to

an array of mitigating factors, but I would encourage you to apply

this principle to charts that you have in your database.

 

In terms of references take a look at Jatak Parajit. Also a good

summary on MKS can be found at:

 

http://ahimsazr1.wordpress.com/lecture-from-siva-university/.

 

JHora also highlights planets in MKS.

 

Maniv

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I still do not understand . What is this MKS ?

> Maraka karaka sthana ? What does it mean ?

> Does it mean different houses for various planets ?

> If so then which houses are MKS for the various

> planets ? What is the significance of the MKS ?

> What is the rule ? Who made this

> rule ? Where do we get to read this rule ?

> What are the exceptions ?

>

> I am sorry, but really not aware.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Maniv,

> >

> > You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule for

> > jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " maniv_pathak "

> > <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate weakness

> in

> > > entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> > > signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it lords.

> > This

> > > micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets,

but

> of

> > > course is subject to variable macro influences in specific

> charts.

> > >

> > > As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case was

> > > indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for my

> > > brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother.

MKS

> > > placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

> > >

> > > However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement leads

to

> an

> > > all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

> > earlier:

> > > Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered death

> or

> > > death like conditions.

> > >

> > > Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses to

> > derive

> > > accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as

> well

> > as

> > > rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But one

> > must

> > > be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict, e.g.

> raj

> > > bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

> > >

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> > > >

> > > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that it

> makes

> > > the pnative very miserly.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

> > Yoga,12th

> > > from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then Kemadruma

> Yoga

> > > is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused

(Planets

> > > exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > > > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > > > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > > > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > > > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > > > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> > > >

> > > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > > > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > > > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply

> dispositors

> > > > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's

strength /

> > > > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of course -

> > bhava

> > > > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If I

> may

> > > > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in makar

> rasi

> > > > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th

> placement

> > of

> > > > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd bhava.

> and

> > it

> > > > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in 2nd

> from

> > > > natal moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > >

> > > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > >

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House (for

> > > > Parfulla and

> > > > > > all)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > > > on the Forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is

rated

> as

> > > > pure

> > > > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> > > Interestingly -

> > > > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from 4th -

 

> > will

> > > > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed in

> 8th

> > from

> > > > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd

house

> > from

> > > > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava

> effects

> > > > also).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

> > weakness,

> > > > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a prudent

> > > > approach.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd

House

> > (for

> > > > > > Parfulla

> > > > > >>> and all)

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> the

> > > > > > lagna - then

> > > > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable influences

> on

> > 7th,

> > > > > > 9th and

> > > > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator of

> 9th

> > &

> > > 11

> > > > > > th

> > > > > >>> house). "

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We shouldn't

be

> > > > > > looking at the

> > > > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should consider

> is -

> >

> > > > to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should look

at

> > > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the placement

> of

> > > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha is

> what

> > > one

> > > > > > should

> > > > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have

> Jupiter in

> > > > > > MKS. My

> > > > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my life

so

> > far.

> > > > > > Mine isLeo

> > > > > >>> lagna.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > >>> Krishna

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> Dear John

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

> > supercede

> > > > > > basics.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may appear

> > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate the

> chart

> > > > > > from a

> > > > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to include

> the

> > > > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional

> charts.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed while

> > > reading

> > > > > > a chart -

> > > > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

> > question

> > > > is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is

> different

> > > issue

> > > > > > than

> > > > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you is

> that -

> > > > > > does MKS

> > > > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double edge

> > sword.

> > > > All

> > > > > > of

> > > > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the Nodes,

> own

> > two

> > > > > > houses.

> > > > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative

house

> > > (trik

> > > > or

> > > > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to both

> > > > > > qualities of

> > > > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house - did

> you

> > > mean

> > > > > > it to be

> > > > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's role

> for

> > > > > > different

> > > > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in 3rd

> > (MKS)

> > > is

> > > > > > weak.. My

> > > > > >>> question is still the same..other things being equal -

> do

> > you

> > > > > > consider it

> > > > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th and

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th house

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person

may

> be

> > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies.

Or,

> > that

> > > > his

> > > > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or

another.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter,

> being

> > the

> > > > > > lord of

> > > > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS

> status.

> > > > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health problems

> or

> > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for one

> > reason

> > > or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>> other.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

> > Jupiter.

> > > > > > For karka

> > > > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet. Its

> > > > > > placement will

> > > > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting

> (this is

> > > > > > basic law).

> > > > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its

blemish.

> > Even

> > > > > > for karka

> > > > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of native

> for

> > > > karka

> > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick to

it.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic for

> the

> > > > lagna -

> > > > > > then in

> > > > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences on

> 7th,

> > > 9th

> > > > > > and 11th

> > > > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of 9th &

> 11

> > th

> > > > > > house).

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we look

at

> > > > > > balancing and

> > > > > >>> counter factors.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply to

> both

> > the

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles.

> isn't

> > it?

> > > > So

> > > > > > again -

> > > > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role must

be

> > > > decided

> > > > > > by

> > > > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna)

and

> its

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd will

> do

> > > > well -

> > > > > > if

> > > > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11 houses

> (out

> > of

> > > > > > these

> > > > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th

> house.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus

> governed

> > > > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is very

> > > > > > important to

> > > > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing

> fantacy

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at

> wrong D

> > > > > > charts for

> > > > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

> > jyotish.net]

> > > > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

> them!

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

> (for

> > > > > > Tarun and

> > > > > >>>> all)

> > > > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone

> should

> > > > > > consider

> > > > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

> > weighed

> > > in

> > > > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in the

> > chart.

> > > > As

> > > > > >>>> such,

> > > > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more indicative

> of

> > the

> > > > > >>>> person's

> > > > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this

> maraka

> > > > > > karaka

> > > > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is

> weak,

> > then

> > > > > > its

> > > > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However,

one

> > > should

> > > > > > check

> > > > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the dispositor

> is

> > > > > > strong in

> > > > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the MKS

> > > > indicators

> > > > > >>>> will

> > > > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the MKS

> > > > > > indicators may

> > > > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house

> would

> > be:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus

> (promotes

> > > > > > artistic

> > > > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS

> position

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > >>>>> house.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

> > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru is

> bad

> > in

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > >>>>> house

> > > > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then

> which

> > > > planet

> > > > > >>>>> should

> > > > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik Maitri

> > thing,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps those

> > aspected

> > > > > >>>> houses.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to

> always

> > > > take

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> , " John "

<jr_esq@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how all

> of

> > the

> > > > > >>>>> planets

> > > > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post

your

> > birth

> > > > > > data?

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ???

venus ????

> or

> > > > > > mars ??

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points and

> > > > > > enlighten

> > > > > >>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul

Pathak "

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I have

> a

> > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>> where

> > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors

> built

> > in.

> > > > > >>>> The

> > > > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would like

> to

> > > know

> > > > > >>>>>> more

> > > > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana, Punjab,

> India

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it is

> in a

> > > > > >>>>> marana

> > > > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter will

> > suffer

> > > > > >>>>> with

> > > > > >>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a brahmin

> and a

> > > > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or

> sex.

> > So,

> > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as

> well

> > as

> > > it

> > > > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> --

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

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[Guest guest]

Dear Maniv,

 

Okay. Have gone through this site. Thanks.

These MKS are after all the detrimental houses

for the planets. But yet I do not think that

these places could be termed as both " Maraka "

and " Karaka " simultaneously.

This MKS theory has also been blown out of

proportion. For every Lagna the same MKS

would vary, and make the rule sort of

defunct in practical. The Sun in 12th in

own house may be good for Heavens after Death.

The Sun in 12th in Aries too may be good for

foreign residence.

Mars in 7th in Scorpio and Aries is both good.

We can lay down hundreds of such exceptions for

wach Lagna with reference to each planet.

Rahu in 9th is one of the best placement at times

depending on which planet it is conjunct with (and

Lagna of course).

 

But of course the general bad effects of these

planets in these detrimental houses, as we know

of, does give one a idea of what is to come, but

a deeper study may not reveal the same effects.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " maniv_pathak "

<maniv_pathak wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> MKS placements, as I have mentioned, are only a small part of the

> jigsaw, but a valuable piece that helps paint a fuller picture. As

> always in Jyotish, never do the analytical tools work always due

to

> an array of mitigating factors, but I would encourage you to apply

> this principle to charts that you have in your database.

>

> In terms of references take a look at Jatak Parajit. Also a good

> summary on MKS can be found at:

>

> http://ahimsazr1.wordpress.com/lecture-from-siva-university/.

>

> JHora also highlights planets in MKS.

>

> Maniv

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I still do not understand . What is this MKS ?

> > Maraka karaka sthana ? What does it mean ?

> > Does it mean different houses for various planets ?

> > If so then which houses are MKS for the various

> > planets ? What is the significance of the MKS ?

> > What is the rule ? Who made this

> > rule ? Where do we get to read this rule ?

> > What are the exceptions ?

> >

> > I am sorry, but really not aware.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Maniv,

> > >

> > > You have confirmed the importance of considering the MKS rule

for

> > > jyotish analysis. I've been trying to say the same thing.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " maniv_pathak "

> > > <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter in H3 = MKS. This placement does not indicate

weakness

> > in

> > > > entirety, but death or death like afflictions to a certain

> > > > signification of Jupiter, in particular to the houses it

lords.

> > > This

> > > > micro `assumption' applies to all MKS placements of planets,

> but

> > of

> > > > course is subject to variable macro influences in specific

> > charts.

> > > >

> > > > As an example, Ju in H3 and L9/L12 (Aries asc) in my case

was

> > > > indicative of the early death of father, Sun in H12(MKS) for

my

> > > > brother and Saturn in H1 (MKS) as L7(husband) for my Mother.

> MKS

> > > > placements, in my observations, tend to enforce this pattern.

> > > >

> > > > However, by no means does this imply that MKS placement

leads

> to

> > an

> > > > all-round affliction. In the example of Bush that was cited

> > > earlier:

> > > > Ju as L6 in MKS - it is evident that his enemies suffered

death

> > or

> > > > death like conditions.

> > > >

> > > > Synthesis is an essential skill that Jyotishis must posses

to

> > > derive

> > > > accurate conclusions and micro `assumptions' such as MKS (as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > rag yogas, exal/deb etc) quicken the rate of synthesis. But

one

> > > must

> > > > be equally aware the micro `assumptions' that contradict,

e.g.

> > raj

> > > > bhang yogas, so that the macro synthesis is all-encompassing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji and Prafullaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > An interesting result of Guru in the 3rd house is that

it

> > makes

> > > > the pnative very miserly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskarji: Planets in the 2nd from Chandra form Sunapha

> > > Yoga,12th

> > > > from Chandra form Anapaha Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > If both 2nd and 12th from Chandra are empty then

Kemadruma

> > Yoga

> > > > is caused.If both are tenanted Durudhura Yoga is caused

> (Planets

> > > > exclude the Nodes for the purpose of these Lunar Yogas)

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > A man of your stature remembering the placements of

> > > > > planets in my chart, is a honour for me. Yes you are

> > > > > right about the placements and the retrogression

> > > > > part you mentioned with regarsds to Sat and Jup

> > > > > in my chart.. These both planets move to the

> > > > > 5th Bhava in Chalit Chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Planets in second from the Moon does cause Suanpha

> > > > > or Anapha Toga which is good ( One among these,got

> > > > > confused since dont see Yogas for dependence),

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks for warm mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes - it is very critical to understand and apply

> > dispositors

> > > > > (sign as well as nakshatra .. and also dispositor's

> strength /

> > > > > placement etc) for any planet to finally deliver. Of

course -

> > > bhava

> > > > > kundli must be given more weightage than rasi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not have your chart data in my active files. But If

I

> > may

> > > > > remember - you have retro Jupiter conj retro Shani in

makar

> > rasi

> > > > > (not sure if it is in 6th house in bhava kundli). 6th

> > placement

> > > of

> > > > > Jupiter is good for its aspect on 10th / 12th and 2nd

bhava.

> > and

> > > it

> > > > > becomes your moon rasi lord with favourable placement in

2nd

> > from

> > > > > natal moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with them!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in the 3rd House

(for

> > > > > Parfulla and

> > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually Jupiter is considered to be a benefic

> > > > > > > for Leo nativity as you rightly said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I am wondering how it will behave for me

> > > > > > > when I enter the antradasha of the same in a

> > > > > > > year and a halfs time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It depends on the Nakshatra in which it is placed.

> > > > > > > I willl have to check up that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good to see you after a century of abstinence

> > > > > > > on the Forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Krishna ji

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> For leo natives - jupiter even with 8th lordship is

> rated

> > as

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > > benefic (for its friendship with lagna lord Sun).

> > > > Interestingly -

> > > > > > > for 3rd house placement (11th from 5th and 12th from

4th -

>

> > > will

> > > > > > > boost both the houses; and for 8th lordship - placed

in

> > 8th

> > > from

> > > > > > > meena - will have favourable influence on 12th / 2nd

> house

> > > from

> > > > > > > meena :- so will create good influence for 8th bhava

> > effects

> > > > > also).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Jupiter being in MKS can be one of the factor for its

> > > weakness,

> > > > > > > but labelling it as malefic for MKS may not be a

prudent

> > > > > approach.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Nice to know another leo lagna native !!!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > >> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

them!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> krishna_1998@

> > > > > > >>> Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:23:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> RE: Re: Jupiter in the 3rd

> House

> > > (for

> > > > > > > Parfulla

> > > > > > >>> and all)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> The following point you made caught my attention:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> " My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic

for

> > the

> > > > > > > lagna - then

> > > > > > >>> in 3rd house placement will have favourable

influences

> > on

> > > 7th,

> > > > > > > 9th and

> > > > > > >>> 11th (simply for its nature; and being significator

of

> > 9th

> > > &

> > > > 11

> > > > > > > th

> > > > > > >>> house). "

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I think you have a very valid point here. We

shouldn't

> be

> > > > > > > looking at the

> > > > > > >>> MKS position blindly. Another thing one should

consider

> > is -

> > >

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > >>> the effects of Jupiter in 3rd, whether one should

look

> at

> > > > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > >>> dasha of Jupiter or the Narayana Dasha of the

placement

> > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > > >>> houses it owns. In every likelyhood, Narayana Dasha

is

> > what

> > > > one

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > >>> look at to study MKS placement.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> It is an interesting subject for me as I too have

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > > > MKS. My

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter MD (Vimshottari) was the best part of my

life

> so

> > > far.

> > > > > > > Mine isLeo

> > > > > > >>> lagna.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Krishna

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> Dear John

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Please read my reply underneath our comments:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>> 1.> I presume - that at no point - any sub rule can

> > > supercede

> > > > > > > basics.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Jyotish has many rules and principles. They may

appear

> > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > >>>> at times. That's why a jyotishi needs to evaluate

the

> > chart

> > > > > > > from a

> > > > > > >>>> holistic approach. This approach would need to

include

> > the

> > > > > > >>>> indicators from the rashi chart and the divisional

> > charts.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Well ofcourse holistic approach is to be followed

while

> > > > reading

> > > > > > > a chart -

> > > > > > >>> but not when we are discussing technical pointer. My

> > > question

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > >>> basic - can a sub rule supercede the basics?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> 2.> Now Jupiter's strength as weak / strong is

> > different

> > > > issue

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > >>>> its benefic or malefic nature. My question to you

is

> > that -

> > > > > > > does MKS

> > > > > > >>>> makes jupiter malefic or simply weak?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> In my opinion, the rule for MKS can be a double

edge

> > > sword.

> > > > > All

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>> the planets, except for the Sun, Moon and the

Nodes,

> > own

> > > two

> > > > > > > houses.

> > > > > > >>>> Invariably, one of these houses can be a negative

> house

> > > > (trik

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>>> dusthana bhavas). Therefore, the MKS will apply to

both

> > > > > > > qualities of

> > > > > > >>>> the planet involved. For example,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> When you pointed Jupiter weak being in 3rd house -

did

> > you

> > > > mean

> > > > > > > it to be

> > > > > > >>> negative or weak? We are not discussing Jupiter's

role

> > for

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > >>> ascendants here..but your sub rule that Jupiter in

3rd

> > > (MKS)

> > > > is

> > > > > > > weak.. My

> > > > > > >>> question is still the same..other things being

equal -

> > do

> > > you

> > > > > > > consider it

> > > > > > >>> a weak positioning or negative positioning?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> For a Cancer lagna, Jupiter is the lord of the 6th

and

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > >>>> house. If Jupiter is in MKS status, then the 6th

house

> > > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>>> would be reduced or weakened. Therefore, the person

> may

> > be

> > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > >>>> in avoiding situations where he can create enemies.

> Or,

> > > that

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>>> uncle or a cousin may be affected in one way or

> another.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> On the other hand, the positive aspect of Jupiter,

> > being

> > > the

> > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > >>>> the 9th house, may be affected because of the MKS

> > status.

> > > > > > >>>> Specifically, his father may have some health

problems

> > or

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> father may not be involved in his upbringing for

one

> > > reason

> > > > or

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> other.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Again - you are not using MKS to justify the role of

> > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > For karka

> > > > > > >>> lagna - jupiter being 6th lord is a malefic planet.

Its

> > > > > > > placement will

> > > > > > >>> simply afflict the house it is placed and aspecting

> > (this is

> > > > > > > basic law).

> > > > > > >>> Now even if it is not in MKS - it will have its

> blemish.

> > > Even

> > > > > > > for karka

> > > > > > >>> placement (exalted) - it will afflcit health of

native

> > for

> > > > > karka

> > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> When we discuss technical pointers - we must stick

to

> it.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> My contention is that - if Jupiter is not malefic

for

> > the

> > > > > lagna -

> > > > > > > then in

> > > > > > >>> 3rd house placement will have favourable influences

on

> > 7th,

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > and 11th

> > > > > > >>> (simply for its nature; and being significator of

9th &

> > 11

> > > th

> > > > > > > house).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Of course - when we discuss a specific chart - we

look

> at

> > > > > > > balancing and

> > > > > > >>> counter factors.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>> In effect, the weakness of MKS status would apply

to

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > >>>> and benefic nature of the planet in question.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Ha Ha. malefic if weak - will give lesser troubles.

> > isn't

> > > it?

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > again -

> > > > > > >>> your pointer is not convincing.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net

> > > > > > >>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

them!

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Tarun - I strongly believe that Jupiter's role

must

> be

> > > > > decided

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > >>>> its lordship for the houses (i.e. based upon lagna)

> and

> > its

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > >>>> relationship with lagna lord. Yes- Jupiter in 3rd

will

> > do

> > > > > well -

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > >>>> benefic to the lagna as it will aspect 7/9/11

houses

> > (out

> > > of

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > >>>> three - it is natural significator for 9th and 11th

> > house.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Yes Jupiter has its deficiency for budha / venus

> > governed

> > > > > > >>>> ascendants. As Bhaskar ji has pointed out - it is

very

> > > > > > > important to

> > > > > > >>>> focus on rasi and bhava chalit chart - than doing

> > fantacy

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > >>>> around D charts. Mostly, we may even be looking at

> > wrong D

> > > > > > > charts for

> > > > > > >>>> the variances amongst ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>>>> http://www.vedic-jyotish.net [http://www.vedic-

> > > jyotish.net]

> > > > > > >>>>> Vedic Jyotish : research and resource web

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> No-one is perfect......until you fall in love with

> > them!

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> jr_esq@

> > > > > > >>>>> Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:52:29 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Re: Jupiter in the 3rd

House

> > (for

> > > > > > > Tarun and

> > > > > > >>>> all)

> > > > > > >>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I'm presenting a jyotish principle which everyone

> > should

> > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > >>>>> when analyzing a chart. This principle needs to be

> > > weighed

> > > > in

> > > > > > >>>>> consideration along with the other indicators in

the

> > > chart.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > >>>> such,

> > > > > > >>>>> the assessment of the chart would be more

indicative

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>> person's

> > > > > > >>>>> life situation.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> We need to use our own logic to ascertain how this

> > maraka

> > > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > >>>>> sthana (MKS) for Jupiter plays out. If Jupiter is

> > weak,

> > > then

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > >>>>> aspect will not be as beneficial as well. However,

> one

> > > > should

> > > > > > > check

> > > > > > >>>>> the navamsha dispositor of Jupiter. If the

dispositor

> > is

> > > > > > > strong in

> > > > > > >>>>> the navamsha, then it is highly certain that the

MKS

> > > > > indicators

> > > > > > >>>> will

> > > > > > >>>>> take effect. If the dispositor is weak, then the

MKS

> > > > > > > indicators may

> > > > > > >>>>> be somewhat mitigated.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> The planets that would do well in the third house

> > would

> > > be:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 1. Exalted planets;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 2. Moolatrikona planets;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Planets in swakshetra;

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 4. Mars (promotes bravery and courage) and Venus

> > (promotes

> > > > > > > artistic

> > > > > > >>>>> abilities).

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> 5. Rahu, because it is the opposite of its MKS

> > position

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >>>>> house.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Hello John,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am not asking for myself.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am asking the technical points which says guru

is

> > bad

> > > in

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > >>>>> house

> > > > > > >>>>>> and also that if 3rd house is house of sex, then

> > which

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > >>>>> should

> > > > > > >>>>>> be placed in that house to get full results ?

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Apart from this, what will happen to tatkalik

Maitri

> > > thing,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>>> the 5/7/9 aspects of guru, by which it helps

those

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>>> houses.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I am aware of my chart, but i dont want others to

> > always

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > >>>>>> house guru as bad.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I hope you will understand my point.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Warm Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> , " John "

> <jr_esq@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Namaste Tarun,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> It is best to see a real chart to determine how

all

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> planets

> > > > > > >>>>>>> are aligned for better evaluation. Can you post

> your

> > > birth

> > > > > > > data?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun "

> > > > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Hello John, Bipul,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so which planet is good in 3rd house ???

> venus ????

> > or

> > > > > > > mars ??

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> venus for male and mars for female ??

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> i have jupiter in 3rd house.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> So i please to share some real technical points

and

> > > > > > > enlighten

> > > > > > >>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> issue rather talking on SJC views.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tarun

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> , " Bipul

> Pathak "

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> <bipul.pathak@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This thread is of interest to me as well. I

have

> > a

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>> where

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> configuration exists with many other factors

> > built

> > > in.

> > > > > > >>>> The

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> native

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started the dasha of Jupiter as well. Would

like

> > to

> > > > know

> > > > > > >>>>>> more

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> from

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> learned

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> people. I give details below

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> DOB---23 Feb 1969

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> POB--- 30E54, 75E51..I think Ludhiana,

Punjab,

> > India

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> TOb---16:02 hrs.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have m,any details of his past with me

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in discussion about

> > > > > > >>>> Jupiter...then

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> please

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> continue

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the thread.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/08, John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To All:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter is weak in the 3rd house because it

is

> > in a

> > > > > > >>>>> marana

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> karaka

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sthana (MKS). The houses owned by Jupiter

will

> > > suffer

> > > > > > >>>>> with

> > > > > > >>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> configuration.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Because Jupiter is a karaka for a

brahmin

> > and a

> > > > > > >>>>>> spiritual

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> teacher. The 3rd house is a field of kama or

> > sex.

> > > So,

> > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> out

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of his environment and would not function as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > it

> > > > > > >>>>>>> should.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John R.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> --

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bipul Pathak

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> HEC MBA 2009

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Paris, France

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +33-1-39679231

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

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