Benazir Bhutto: search of correct natal chart

December 30, 2007

Dear Imran,

After reading your pdf document, i thought u missed out on one

important data,that is 23 june 1953,16:30(local time)i.e.4:28 east of

gmt.

This gives on using raman ayanamsa a. 9 Sc 19 " lagna b.24 Li 57 " moon

here are some inputs, from that combination,

death of father-April 1979- " saturn-rahu:lord of the seventh from 9th

house with rahu in 9th house "

Birth of first (male) child – Bilawal 21-September-1988 " mercury-

sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

gemini "

Won general elections first time 16-November-1988 " mercury-

sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

gemini "

Took oath as first female prime minister 1-December-1988 " mercury-

sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

gemini "

Became prime minister second time-oct 93- " mercury-rahu "

Her assasination-27 dec 07- " venus-venus:venus is the lord of the

seventh house, as the lord of the seventh venus causes certain death "

As far as wearing a yellow sapphire is concerned, it makes more

sense that one would wear a stone for the 5th lord jupiter- house of

fortune for scorpio ascendant,than that for the 1st and fourth house

jupiter as it is not only a malefic by owning kendras , it is also

placed in the 6th house for saggitarius lagna.????

As far as Sri K N Rao's student rectifying the time to get libra

ascendant,well we are still waiting for valuable input from her on

that.

thanks,

POL

vedic astrology , " M. Imran " <astroimran

wrote:

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

is Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman, Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

have rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

should be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

ahead of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

of May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

that is in

> practice to date.

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

we recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

Why? Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

GMT). Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

index finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

favour of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

of Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

this deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

about little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

But when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

would

> conclude against it.

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

> http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-

YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-

Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%

20chart.pdf

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

> Producer

> TV One/News One

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> Karachi, Pakistan

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

>

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

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>

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December 30, 2007

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Imran, Salaam,Thanks for this article on the availability of various birth details all around. I personally checked the horoscope for the chances of Scorpio or Capricorn in addition to Sagittarius; but found Sagittarius to be consistently explaining her life events. I have given my explanations in the astro-profile part I mail. I was expecting comments before I thought of continuing on the subsequent parts. Anyway, as you said that the lagna which explains majority of her life should be the right lagna and not the one which justifies the assasinations only.You happened to mention that Mars in the 8th is the justification for the Scorpio Lagna is justified based on Mars's placement in the 8th house. I think this is a incorrect principle for cause of death. I agree classics wrote about the causes of death to be seen from the 8th from the lagna or 8th from 8th (

i.e., 3rd); however when you apply these principles in actual horoscopes, you will see that this principle gives consistent result when applied from Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. To prove my point I give some examples.

Case I: Indira Gandhi - Shot dead: 19nov 1917; 11:07pm IST; 81E52; 25N28.8th house from Lagna vacant. Although aspected by Mars from 2nd house (may be justified because of this)Seen from Lagna 3rd from AL has Ketu showing some kind of mistake or misunderstanding or terrorist attack; aspected by Rahu/ Venus showing conspiracy. 8th from AL has Mercury & Sun. Sun shows gun shot as it shown in Ms. Bhutto's case.

Case II: 20 August 1944; 7:11': 40" AM IST (War Time

Corrected -1 Hr); Bombay, India8th from Lagna aspected by Mars (so may be justified)3rd from AL has Rahu, showing conspiracy; 8th from AL is aspected by Saturn and Mars, where Mars showing bomb blast.

Case III: Mahatma GandhiOct 2, 1869, 7:31 (4:39 East); 69 E 49; 21N37From lagna, 8th house is aspected by Ayushkaraka Saturn and Mars (8th aspect) (so may be justified)See from AL, 3rd has Sun, showing gunshot.

CaseIV: May 29, 1917;1500 (5:00 W); 71 W 7; 42 N 20From Lagna, 8th house is Mars and Mercury3rd from AL is aspected by Jupiter, Sun, Venus and Moon. Sun shows gunshot.All the examples above had presence or aspect of Mars on the 8th from the Lagna, but the exact cause such as gunshot or bombs are seen more prominently from the 3rd from AL. To show that not everyone who has Mars present or aspecting the 8th from Lagna die unnatural death provided 3rd and 8th from AL is not influenced by Mars or Sun, I am giving few more examples:

Case V: Bertrand RussellMay 18, 1872; 17:56 (00w); 2W43; 51N458th from Lagna has Mars, Sun and Rahu and he lived till 97 years. He should have died an un-natural death if we take the principle of 8th from Lagna to be true!!!

However seen from AL, 3rd from AL has Moon aspected by Saturn while 8th from AL has none and aspected by Venus and Mercury showing no indications of any unnatural death.Anyway, it is not possible to establish the validity of a principle just by giving these small number of examples. When you apply the principles in more charts, the exact cause of death can be more consistently seen from the 3rd/ 8th from AL. So I think presence of Mars in the 8th from Lagna is not a sufficient condition to take Scorpio as the lagna conclusively.

In addition, if you see the Maraka period, she died in Saturn - Jupiter period. How can her death be explained using scorpio Lagna during this period. Lets try... Jupiter in the 7th house becomes the maraka. However Saturn is placed in the 11th house and no way connected to any maraka houses, so how can Saturn major period cause the death. When seen from Sagittarius lagna, Saturn aspects the 7th house with 10th aspect and is the 2nd lord. Jupiter aspects the 2nd house and the 2nd lord Saturn.

RegardsSarajitOn Dec 30, 2007 9:40 PM, M. Imran <astroimran wrote:

Benazir Bhutto: search of

correct natal chart

Benazir Bhutto is not

the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I have

confronted various references of her birth details. The first one is Sunday,

June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21, 1953 yields

Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V. Raman, Cyrus

T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat Shaikh and many

others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either have rectified

the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it should be borne

in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute ahead of GMT

from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951, Pakistan and

Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight of May 1,

1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT, that is in

practice to date.

Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir's horoscope when she was staying

in London and

consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto's birth

details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when we recast

the chart we find 7*28' Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra. Why? Because

either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao's students mistakenly assumed Pakistan's time

zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

24*25' Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have to take her

birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of GMT). Besides

time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir herself used

to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her index finger but

also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in favour of

Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao's Libra lagna for Benazir, seriously

by correcting time zone.

Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June 21, 1952 (exact

time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and Taurus Moon. It

may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth of Benazir

as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on September 8,

1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests this deviant

date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without reliable

source may be misleading.

But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand about little

known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently testifies

violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th. But when you

compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you would

conclude against it.

Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to reach at correct

chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify her

assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life events with

vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two dozen

important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that time.For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

sohamsavedic astrologyOR

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%20chart.pdf

Regards,M. Imran

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December 30, 2007

Dear Sarajit,

Could you please forward me the Astro-Profile of Benazir you've penned

and discussed here in last email. So that I could comment on it.

About longevity, I am of your mind that 3rd from AL has a strong say

in determining nature as well as place of death. I've found this

understandings from Sanjay Rath's lectures. Although, presence of Mars

in 8th is still considered a fatal signature of unnatural death.

However, it is neither necessary nor sufficient placement for violent

death.

Regarding Benazir chart, I personally in favour of Sagittarius lagna

(rising degrees may vary; depending 7:32pm, 7:43 pm or 7:45). But

Sagittarius is the most plausible comparing rest of lagnas. Besides

udu dasha, do consider varshphala and shoola dasha, you would easily

get the clue of what happened on December 27, 2007.

Cordially,

M.Imran

sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit.poddar

wrote:

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Imran, Salaam,

>

> Thanks for this article on the availability of various birth details all

> around. I personally checked the horoscope for the chances of Scorpio or

> Capricorn in addition to Sagittarius; but found Sagittarius to be

> consistently explaining her life events. I have given my

explanations in the

> astro-profile part I mail. I was expecting comments before I thought of

> continuing on the subsequent parts.

>

> Anyway, as you said that the lagna which explains majority of her life

> should be the right lagna and not the one which justifies the

assasinations

> only.

>

> You happened to mention that Mars in the 8th is the justification

for the

> Scorpio Lagna is justified based on Mars's placement in the 8th house. I

> think this is a incorrect principle for cause of death. I agree classics

> wrote about the causes of death to be seen from the 8th from the

lagna or

> 8th from 8th (i.e., 3rd); however when you apply these principles in

actual

> horoscopes, you will see that this principle gives consistent result

when

> applied from Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. To prove my point I give

some

> examples.

>

> *Case I:* Indira Gandhi - Shot dead: 19nov 1917; 11:07pm IST; 81E52;

25N28.

> 8th house from Lagna vacant. Although aspected by Mars from 2nd

house (may

> be justified because of this)

> Seen from Lagna 3rd from AL has Ketu showing some kind of mistake or

> misunderstanding or terrorist attack; aspected by Rahu/ Venus showing

> conspiracy. 8th from AL has Mercury & Sun. Sun shows gun shot as it

shown in

> Ms. Bhutto's case.

>

> *Case II: *20 August 1944; 7:11': 40 " AM IST (War Time Corrected -1

> Hr); Bombay,

> India

> 8th from Lagna aspected by Mars (so may be justified)

> 3rd from AL has Rahu, showing conspiracy; 8th from AL is aspected by

Saturn

> and Mars, where Mars showing bomb blast.

>

> *Case III: *Mahatma Gandhi

> Oct 2, 1869, 7:31 (4:39 East); 69 E 49; 21N37

> From lagna, 8th house is aspected by Ayushkaraka Saturn and Mars (8th

> aspect) (so may be justified)

> See from AL, 3rd has Sun, showing gunshot.

> *

> CaseIV: *May 29, 1917;1500 (5:00 W); 71 W 7; 42 N 20

> From Lagna, 8th house is Mars and Mercury

> 3rd from AL is aspected by Jupiter, Sun, Venus and Moon. Sun shows

gunshot.

>

> All the examples above had presence or aspect of Mars on the 8th

from the

> Lagna, but the exact cause such as gunshot or bombs are seen more

> prominently from the 3rd from AL. To show that not everyone who has Mars

> present or aspecting the 8th from Lagna die unnatural death provided

3rd and

> 8th from AL is not influenced by Mars or Sun, I am giving few more

examples:

>

> *Case V: *Bertrand Russell

> May 18, 1872; 17:56 (00w); 2W43; 51N45

> 8th from Lagna has Mars, Sun and Rahu and he lived till 97 years. He

should

> have died an un-natural death if we take the principle of 8th from

Lagna to

> be true!!!

> However seen from AL, 3rd from AL has Moon aspected by Saturn while

8th from

> AL has none and aspected by Venus and Mercury showing no indications

of any

> unnatural death.

>

> Anyway, it is not possible to establish the validity of a principle

just by

> giving these small number of examples. When you apply the principles

in more

> charts, the exact cause of death can be more consistently seen from

the 3rd/

> 8th from AL. So I think presence of Mars in the 8th from Lagna is not a

> sufficient condition to take Scorpio as the lagna conclusively.

>

> In addition, if you see the Maraka period, she died in Saturn - Jupiter

> period. How can her death be explained using scorpio Lagna during this

> period. Lets try... Jupiter in the 7th house becomes the maraka. However

> Saturn is placed in the 11th house and no way connected to any maraka

> houses, so how can Saturn major period cause the death. When seen from

> Sagittarius lagna, Saturn aspects the 7th house with 10th aspect and

is the

> 2nd lord. Jupiter aspects the 2nd house and the 2nd lord Saturn.

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

> On Dec 30, 2007 9:40 PM, M. Imran <astroimran wrote:

>

> > *Benazir Bhutto: search of correct natal chart*

> >

> > Benazir Bhutto is not the only celebrity about whom multiple birth

charts

> > are claimed. I have confronted various references of her birth

details. The

> > first one is Sunday, June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT),

Karachi.

> > This June 21, 1953 yields Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3

nakshatra, as

> > per Lahiri Ayanamsa. Aforesaid birth detail is endorsed by the

writings and

> > write-ups of B.V. Raman, Cyrus T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A.

Patel,

> > Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat Shaikh and many others. On the other

hand, there

> > are some astrologers who either have rectified the birth time or

time zone,

> > to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it should be borne in mind that

Pakistan

> > Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute ahead of GMT from

September 1,

> > 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951, Pakistan and Indian

> > Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight of May

1, 1954,

> > Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT, that is in

> > practice to date.

> >

> > Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N. Rao.

He holds

> > that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir's horoscope when she was staying

in London

> > and consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir

Bhutto's birth

> > details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi as given by Natwar Singh,

that yields

> > ascendant 24Libra25. But when we recast the chart we find 7*28'

Scorpio as

> > ascendant, instead of Libra. Why? Because either Natwar Singh or

K. N. Rao's

> > students mistakenly assumed Pakistan's time zone as +5:30 GMT.

Hence to

> > arrive at 24*25' Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N.

Rao, we

> > have to take her birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone

4:30 East

> > of GMT). Besides time zone confusion, another thing (though

trivia) is that

> > Benazir herself used to wear yellow coloured stone (probably

Topaz) not only

> > in her index finger but also in her neck. This selection and usage

of stone

> > may go in favour of Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao's

Libra

> > lagna for Benazir, seriously by correcting time zone.

> >

> > Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another birth chart of

> > Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June 21, 1952

(exact time

> > unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and Taurus

Moon. It

> > may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth of

> > Benazir as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat

Bhutto on

> > September 8, 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that

> > attests this deviant date of birth. Hence paying much attention to

this

> > claim without reliable source may be misleading.

> >

> > But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising charts

associated

> > to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand about little known

history of

> > Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently testifies violent

death; on

> > account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th. But when you

compare rest

> > of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you would

conclude against

> > it.

> >

> > Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

Ascendant and

> > 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to reach at

correct chart.

> > Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify her

> > assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant

life events

> > with vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected

over two

> > dozen important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match

them with

> > corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that time.

> >

> > For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> > sohamsa

> > vedic astrology

> > OR

> >

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkm\

VTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of\

%20correct%20chart.pdf

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > M. Imran

> >

> > Producer

> >

> > TV One/News One

> >

> > Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> >

> > Karachi, Pakistan

> >

> > Mob: 092-21-03002433121

> >

> > Phone: 092-21-4530385

> >

> > Fax: 092-21-4300737

> >

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> >

>

> --

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit Poddar

>

December 30, 2007

Dear POL,

I might be wrong. But I ruled out Scorpio lagna since it is probably a

by-product of time zone confusion to K.N. Rao/Natwar Singh's Libra chart

(23-June-1953 @4:30pm). However I discussed Scorpio ascendant, but not did not

work out vimshottari on the basis of Scorpio ascendant. Since I did not find any

authentic source in its favour therefore did not pay due attention on it.

But it does not mean, she 'must have' Sagittarius ascendant. I simply compare

events with vimshottari dasha of two available source of date of birth. She may

have Scorpio lagna. Would you like to tell the source of this chart. Who first

cast this chart and when.

Regards,

M. Imran

vedic astrology , " PLIGHTOFLIGHT " <coolpranjal

wrote:

>

> Dear Imran,

> After reading your pdf document, i thought u missed out on one

> important data,that is 23 june 1953,16:30(local time)i.e.4:28 east of

> gmt.

> This gives on using raman ayanamsa a. 9 Sc 19 " lagna b.24 Li 57 " moon

>

> here are some inputs, from that combination,

> death of father-April 1979- " saturn-rahu:lord of the seventh from 9th

> house with rahu in 9th house "

> Birth of first (male) child – Bilawal 21-September-1988 " mercury-

> sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

> gemini "

> Won general elections first time 16-November-1988 " mercury-

> sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

> gemini "

> Took oath as first female prime minister 1-December-1988 " mercury-

> sun:mercury in 9th house as 11th lord with sun the lord of 10th in

> gemini "

> Became prime minister second time-oct 93- " mercury-rahu "

> Her assasination-27 dec 07- " venus-venus:venus is the lord of the

> seventh house, as the lord of the seventh venus causes certain death "

>

> As far as wearing a yellow sapphire is concerned, it makes more

> sense that one would wear a stone for the 5th lord jupiter- house of

> fortune for scorpio ascendant,than that for the 1st and fourth house

> jupiter as it is not only a malefic by owning kendras , it is also

> placed in the 6th house for saggitarius lagna.????

> As far as Sri K N Rao's student rectifying the time to get libra

> ascendant,well we are still waiting for valuable input from her on

> that.

> thanks,

> POL

>

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December 30, 2007

Benazir Bhutto: search of

correct natal chart

Benazir Bhutto is not

the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I have

confronted various references of her birth details. The first one is Sunday,

June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21, 1953 yields

Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V. Raman, Cyrus

T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat Shaikh and

many

others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either have rectified

the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it should be borne

in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute ahead of GMT

from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951, Pakistan and

Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight of May 1,

1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT, that is in

practice to date.

Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she was staying

in London and

consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s birth

details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when we recast

the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra. Why? Because

either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed Pakistan¢s time

zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have to take her

birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of GMT). Besides

time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir herself used

to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her index finger but

also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in favour of

Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for Benazir, seriously

by correcting time zone.

Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June 21, 1952

(exact

time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and Taurus Moon. It

may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth of Benazir

as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on September 8,

1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests this deviant

date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without reliable

source may be misleading.

But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand about little

known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently testifies

violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th. But when you

compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you would

conclude against it.

Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to reach at

correct

chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify her

assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life events with

vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two dozen

important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that time.

For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

sohamsa

vedic astrology

OR

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkm\

VTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of\

%20correct%20chart.pdf

Regards,

M. Imran

Producer

TV One/News One

Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

Karachi, Pakistan

Mob: 092-21-03002433121

Phone: 092-21-4530385

Fax: 092-21-4300737

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December 30, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear imran .

yes if u take as 8.15 PM on same date which is avilable with even wiki

is correct and it can only expalin her death.Even some nadi methods

confirms it depending on moon and lagna the period of yama starting from

6PM (2hrs24minits ) from thurday is a period of mrityu ,so unless lagna

degrees and moon is not correct it cannot confirm this .

also her birth in rich ,royal ,influencial family and daring attitude

all can be seen from this chart only .

some says mars in 7th from sag lagna shud not giv her 20 years marriage

which is again we cannot take simply by presence of mars in 7th or sun

in 7th .remember her marriage was delayed considerably .

so many things and dasa and navamsas showing the lagna is correct .

also her first ascentions to power on jup-rahu period is showing fall in

the same period also .

Interested ppl can work on all events in her chart .

also even the birth of bilal her eldest son is also confirmed with this

chart .

Tho sri KN rao and his students has differrent opinion ,i would prefer

this chart .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one is

Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri Ayanamsa.

Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V. Raman,

Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either have

rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it should

be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute ahead

of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight of

May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT, that

is in

> practice to date.

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when we

recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

Why? Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of GMT).

Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her index

finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in favour

of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth of

Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests this

deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand about

little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th. But

when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

would

> conclude against it.

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn\

0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%2\

0-%20search%20of%20correct%20chart.pdf

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

> Producer

> TV One/News One

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> Karachi, Pakistan

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

>

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

> Fax: 092-21-4300737

>

______________________\

____________

> Never miss a thing. Make your home page.

> http://www./r/hs

>

December 30, 2007

, " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one is

Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman, Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

have rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

should be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

ahead of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight of

May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

that is in

> practice to date.

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

we recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra. Why?

Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of GMT).

Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her index

finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in favour of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

of Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

this deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

about little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

But when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you would

> conclude against it.

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkm\

VTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of\

%20correct%20chart.pdf

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

> Producer

> TV One/News One

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> Karachi, Pakistan

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

>

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

> Fax: 092-21-4300737

>

> Well, I giving up, because with multiple lagnas assassination or

tragedy is indicated or any matter, invent, etc. In any way, she

have combinations for that tragedy is in chart so... For ratification

we must have valid data, but for celebrities and politicians this is

difficult because they hiding real time, etc.

regards,

Ashwini

>

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December 30, 2007

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Imran, Salaam,

Could you please forward me the Astro-Profile of Benazir you've penned

and discussed here in last email. So that I could comment on it.[sP] I will forward this in my next mail.

About longevity, I am of your mind that 3rd from AL has a strong say

in determining nature as well as place of death. I've found this

understandings from Sanjay Rath's lectures. Although, presence of Mars

in 8th is still considered a fatal signature of unnatural death.

However, it is neither necessary nor sufficient placement for violent

death.[sP] Agreed. Mars in the 8th " can " cause unnatural death, however the exact way it happened can only be seen from the 3rd/ 8th from AL.

Regarding Benazir chart, I personally in favour of Sagittarius lagna

(rising degrees may vary; depending 7:32pm, 7:43 pm or 7:45). But

Sagittarius is the most plausible comparing rest of lagnas. Besides

udu dasha, do consider varshphala and shoola dasha, you would easily

get the clue of what happened on December 27, 2007.[sP] For the timebeing I am more interested in the lagna than the time, since the vargas might need rectification. At least so far, I found that Libra navamsa is giving better result than Virgo navamsa! But I have not concluded yet.

RegardsSarajit

December 30, 2007

Namaste,

We understand from the Associated press News that Mrs.Benazir Bhutto's son

Mr.Bilawal Bhutto Zardari carries the title to the PPP and Mr.Zardari would be

the care taker of the PPP.If any one has horoscopes details of both we could

just analyze their future in DEMOCRATIC PAKISTAN.

" M. Imran " <astroimran wrote: Dear POL,