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Dear Members,

 

If I might offer some comments on this work...

 

**He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with respect

to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a person's

life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would focus on

the position of Venus in each varga chart.**

 

I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.

 

As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus specifically

(in the same manner) according to the various antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar

periods within a particular mahadasa...in this instance, Venus. Members might

like to test this out on various charts and share their findings with the group.

 

I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects are

possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into sections)

for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm sure people

must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth repeating,

Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the moment of

birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical universe,

are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set in

stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created)

body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding,

are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas.

 

In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created

bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord

etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then

(also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna

lord as long as we are in this created body.

 

Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign "

In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis

(or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas.

 

In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when

discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of

bhavas etc, etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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PS: Perhaps I could have expressed my thoughts on this in a clearer

manner...rather than rushing through at the end of my comments (as I did). There

is no doubt that (often) my fingers are far quicker than my brain; So to clarify

my meaning let me rephrase the following statement...

 

///Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign "

In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis

(or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas.///

 

....nowhere does he refer to bhavas or bhava lords in connection with

Divisionals/Vargas.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

===========================

 

 

 

Mrs. Wendy

Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:15 PM

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The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

If I might offer some comments on this work...

 

**He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with respect

to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a person's

life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would focus on

the position of Venus in each varga chart.**

 

I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.

 

As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus specifically

(in the same manner) according to the various antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar

periods within a particular mahadasa...in this instance, Venus. Members might

like to test this out on various charts and share their findings with the group.

 

I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects are

possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into sections)

for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm sure people

must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth repeating,

Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the moment of

birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical universe,

are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set in

stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created)

body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding,

are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas.

 

In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created

bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord

etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then

(also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna

lord as long as we are in this created body.

 

Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign "

In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis

(or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas.

 

In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when

discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of

bhavas etc, etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

//I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.//

 

I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we

take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we

delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here

all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only...

 

What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we

decipher?

 

Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs..

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> If I might offer some comments on this work...

>

> **He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with

respect to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a

person's life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would

focus on the position of Venus in each varga chart.**

>

I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.

>

> As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus

specifically (in the same manner) according to the various

antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar periods within a particular mahadasa...in this

instance, Venus. Members might like to test this out on various charts and share

their findings with the group.

>

> I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects

are possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into

sections) for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm

sure people must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth

repeating, Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the

moment of birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical

universe, are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set

in stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created)

body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding,

are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas.

>

> In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created

bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord

etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then

(also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna

lord as long as we are in this created body.

>

> Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign "

> In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis

(or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas.

>

> In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when

discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of

bhavas etc, etc..

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

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Dear CP,

 

///What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do

we decipher?///

 

First let me correct you here. What you're not understanding is that it's the

sign we're looking at...not the bhava!

 

///I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we

take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we

delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart?///

 

Second house (birth chart) signifies many things besides wealth; which, as you

say, is judged from hora. Parasara is quite clear about what each division

(varga) represents i.e. physique from ascendant, wealth from Hora (D2), siblings

from decanate (D3) and so forth...

 

Perhaps if you were to read through the relevant chapter (BPHS) you would have a

clearer ubderstanding of this. Please see Ch.3 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm

 

Actually it would be time well-spent if you could study both chapters on

divisionals i.e. 6 and 7... The more you study the clearer it will become.

 

**13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS:

Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun. The

Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in both

the Horas.

In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects

while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be

the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora.

Similar applications be made for a decanate, Turyamsa, Navamsa, etc.. As for

Trimsamsa effects, the Sun is akin to Mars and the Moon is akin to Venus. The

effects applicable to Rasi will apply to Trimsamsa.**

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

=======================

 

 

 

CP

Friday, 29 January 2010 7:09 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

//I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.//

 

I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we

take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we

delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here

all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only...

 

What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we

decipher?

 

Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs..

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Thank you for your valuable inputs and correction yes i made mistake and put

Bhava instead of *Sign* i.e Verga Signs.

 

 

//**13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS:

Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun. The

Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in both

the Horas.

In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects

while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be

the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora.//

 

This is really helpful in understanding and delineating the Hora Verga and

planets in Hora Verga..

 

But when we say Hora begining and ending do we need to look at the Day Hora and

Hora Lord as well? Or it has nothing to do with Hora Verga?

 

Regards

 

CP

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear CP,

>

> ///What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how

do we decipher?///

>

> First let me correct you here. What you're not understanding is that it's the

sign we're looking at...not the bhava!

>

> ///I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If

we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we

delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart?///

>

> Second house (birth chart) signifies many things besides wealth; which, as you

say, is judged from hora. Parasara is quite clear about what each division

(varga) represents i.e. physique from ascendant, wealth from Hora (D2), siblings

from decanate (D3) and so forth...

>

> Perhaps if you were to read through the relevant chapter (BPHS) you would have

a clearer ubderstanding of this. Please see Ch.3 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm

>

> Actually it would be time well-spent if you could study both chapters on

divisionals i.e. 6 and 7... The more you study the clearer it will become.

>

> **13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS:

> Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun.

The Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in

both the Horas.

In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects

while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be

the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora.

Similar applications be made for a decanate, Turyamsa, Navamsa, etc.. As for

Trimsamsa effects, the Sun is akin to Mars and the Moon is akin to Venus. The

effects applicable to Rasi will apply to Trimsamsa.**

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> =======================

>

>

>

> CP

> Friday, 29 January 2010 7:09 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> //I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related

vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in

regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For

occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10);

and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.//

>

> I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we

take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we

delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here

all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only...

>

> What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do

we decipher?

>

> Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs..

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

>

> ========================

>

>

>

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>

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