A question on Mercury - Graha Yuddha

October 21, 2009

Dear Krishna,

///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In

this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now

moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as the

winner?...//

I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general for the

group - for reference.

However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower moving

planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and then moving

forward.

Who is the winner?

What do are learned members have to say on the subject?

Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to

contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?

Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??

" GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An

astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets. It affects

their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this relationship are

rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and become inauspicious. Such a

situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or the nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is

situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so placed is considered Asthagatha or

combust. When such a relationship takes place with Moon, it is known as

Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five nonluminaries within 50 of any other

planet causes planetary warfare, or Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in

this relationship is said to be vanquished and the other is a victor. The

victorious planet produces powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one

becomes inauspicious. The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and

the individual suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.).

There are five kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham,

Amsumardhanam, Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are

within 50 of each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30

and 50 of each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham.

When such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the same

asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets are within

one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham proper. If one of

the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the other is retrograde,

they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary warfare depends upon the

conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta Graha, and Akrita or Yayee

Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition to another. Akranta

Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet. Akriti Graha is generally

aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up to 11 a.m., Akranta at noon, and

Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is always overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter,

and Saturn are always in opposition (Poura), while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu

are always aggressive. The effect of Graha yuddha is conditioned by the mood of

these planets as indicated above. A planet with earlier longitude is said to

defeat the planet ahead of it. A planet in southern hemisphere is considered

defeated. But Venus is always victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb

than the other becomes victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII). " written by

J.s.sandhu - Audarya Fellowship

As Always,

Uttara

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In this

> case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now

> moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as the

> winner?

>

> OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:

>

> - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two

> - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright rays

>

> Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and Venus are

> friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is

> minimal.

>

> Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

> Stephen

Leacock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>

> - " I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some

> day

> die, which is not so. "

>

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is the

> > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in

> > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a faster

> > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree with

> > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong intellectual/analytical

> > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.

> >

> > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where Venus is

> > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may be of

> > interest to you.

> > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> > -

> > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58<kmurthys58%40gmail.com>

> > >

> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM

> > Re: A question on Mercury

> >

> > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine the

> > winner

> > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method to

> > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was " the one is on the north

> > and with brighter rays is the winner " . Venus fares better than Mercury on

> > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be the

> > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the role of

> > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that like in

> > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also. That is

> > why

> > I raised this topic for discussion.

> >

> > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart. There

> > are

> > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for me.I

> > notice

> > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were not in

> > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished Rahu-Venus

> > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school and

> > things

> > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously for

> > my

> > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During

> > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young engineer, I

> > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors who

> > made

> > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did not

> > change

> > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat (note Sat

> > is

> > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different

> > unexpected

> > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at

> > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics. Again

> > Sat-Mer

> > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock options.

> > And, I

> > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times during

> > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly, I

> > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for the

> > first

> > time in my career.

> >

> > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens up a

> > task

> > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives consistent

> > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the planet

> > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any help on

> > this matter is greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got interested

> > in

> > this topic.

> >

> > Thanks for your help and guidance.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> > Mike Ditka

> > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -

> > " If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms. "

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Uttara,Thanks for fishing out this note on Graha Yuddha.Unfortunately, if I follow this note, I should conclude that Venus has won the war in my case. But, looking at the relative results during Mercury and Venus sub periods, it appears that Mercury has won the war in my case.

The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha Yuddha condition. Adolf Hitler's case has been already brought up by Mrs. Wendy, and it is clear in that case that Mars has defeated Venus. Now, we have two cases where it appears that Venus might be the loser. Hence, it might be difficult accept the statement that " Venus is always the winner... " .

I hope that members will come out with more examples so that we can debate on this question.Regards,KrishnaOgden Nash - " The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. "

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Dear Krishna,

///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as the winner?...//

I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general for the group - for reference.

However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower moving planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and then moving forward.

Who is the winner?

What do are learned members have to say on the subject?

Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?

Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??

" GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets. It affects their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this relationship are rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and become inauspicious. Such a situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or the nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so placed is considered Asthagatha or combust. When such a relationship takes place with Moon, it is known as Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five nonluminaries within 50 of any other planet causes planetary warfare, or Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in this relationship is said to be vanquished and the other is a victor. The victorious planet produces powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one becomes inauspicious. The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and the individual suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.). There are five kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham, Amsumardhanam, Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are within 50 of each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30 and 50 of each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham. When such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the same asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets are within one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham proper. If one of the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the other is retrograde, they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary warfare depends upon the conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta Graha, and Akrita or Yayee Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition to another. Akranta Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet. Akriti Graha is generally aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up to 11 a.m., Akranta at noon, and Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is always overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn are always in opposition (Poura), while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu are always aggressive. The effect of Graha yuddha is conditioned by the mood of these planets as indicated above. A planet with earlier longitude is said to defeat the planet ahead of it. A planet in southern hemisphere is considered defeated. But Venus is always victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb than the other becomes victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII). " written by J.s.sandhu - Audarya Fellowship

As Always,

Uttara

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In this

> case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now

> moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as the

> winner?

>

> OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:

>

> - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two

> - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright rays

>

> Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and Venus are

> friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is

> minimal.

>

> Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

> Stephen Leacock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>

> - " I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some

> day

> die, which is not so. "

>

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is the

> > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in

> > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a faster

> > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree with

> > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong intellectual/analytical

> > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.

> >

> > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where Venus is

> > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may be of

> > interest to you.

> > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> > -

> > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58<kmurthys58%40gmail.com>

> > >

> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM

> > Re: A question on Mercury

> >

> > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine the

> > winner

> > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method to

> > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was " the one is on the north

> > and with brighter rays is the winner " . Venus fares better than Mercury on

> > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be the

> > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the role of

> > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that like in

> > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also. That is

> > why

> > I raised this topic for discussion.

> >

> > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart. There

> > are

> > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for me.I

> > notice

> > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were not in

> > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished Rahu-Venus

> > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school and

> > things

> > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously for

> > my

> > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During

> > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young engineer, I

> > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors who

> > made

> > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did not

> > change

> > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat (note Sat

> > is

> > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different

> > unexpected

> > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at

> > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics. Again

> > Sat-Mer

> > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock options.

> > And, I

> > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times during

> > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly, I

> > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for the

> > first

> > time in my career.

> >

> > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens up a

> > task

> > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives consistent

> > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the planet

> > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any help on

> > this matter is greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got interested

> > in

> > this topic.

> >

> > Thanks for your help and guidance.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> > Mike Ditka

> > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -

> > " If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms. "

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Krishna ji,//The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are

multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with

Graha Yuddha condition.//sure i agree with you totally.I am presenting a chart of a girl here for the purpose.I think there will be many charts with sun,mer,ven conjunction since they move very closely.In your chart it is in lagna.L/L sun is more powerful just by being in his own house and he is an enemy to ven and hence he will win the war is my humble opinion.In this girl's chart it is in mer's house and hence mer is powerful and will win the war.By being retro also may give more strength to mer.Is it not so?D.O.B.......1-7-1987P.O.B.....GUNTURT.O.B....23.24hrs(midnight)Love and regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:>> Dear Uttara,> Thanks for fishing out this note on Graha Yuddha.> > Unfortunately, if I follow this note, I should conclude that Venus has won> the war in my case. But, looking at the relative results during Mercury and> Venus sub periods, it appears that Mercury has won the war in my case.> > The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are> multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha> Yuddha condition. Adolf Hitler's case has been already brought up by Mrs.> Wendy, and it is clear in that case that Mars has defeated Venus. Now, we> have two cases where it appears that Venus might be the loser. Hence, it> might be difficult accept the statement that "Venus is always the> winner...".> > I hope that members will come out with more examples so that we can debate> on this question.> > Regards,> Krishna> Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> -> "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Uttara muttaraphalguniwrote:> > >> >> > Dear Krishna,> >> > ///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet?> > In this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind> > and now moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet> > as the winner?...//> >> > I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general for> > the group - for reference.> >> > However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower> > moving planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and then> > moving forward.> > Who is the winner?> >> > What do are learned members have to say on the subject?> >> > Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to> > contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?> >> > Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??> >> > "GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An> > astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets. It> > affects their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this> > relationship are rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and become> > inauspicious. Such a situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or the> > nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so placed> > is considered Asthagatha or combust. When such a relationship takes place> > with Moon, it is known as Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five> > nonluminaries within 50 of any other planet causes planetary warfare, or> > Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in this relationship is said to be> > vanquished and the other is a victor. The victorious planet produces> > powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one becomes inauspicious.> > The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and the individual> > suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.). There are five> > kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham, Amsumardhanam,> > Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are within 50 of> > each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30 and 50 of> > each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham. When> > such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the same> > asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets are> > within one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham proper.> > If one of the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the other> > is retrograde, they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary warfare> > depends upon the conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta Graha, and> > Akrita or Yayee Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition to> > another. Akranta Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet.> > Akriti Graha is generally aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up to 11> > a.m., Akranta at noon, and Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is always> > overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn are always in opposition (Poura),> > while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu are always aggressive. The effect of Graha> > yuddha is conditioned by the mood of these planets as indicated above. A> > planet with earlier longitude is said to defeat the planet ahead of it. A> > planet in southern hemisphere is considered defeated. But Venus is always> > victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb than the other becomes> > victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII)." written by J.s.sandhu -> > Audarya Fellowship> >> > As Always,> >> > Uttara> >> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In> > this> > > case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now> > > moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as> > the> > > winner?> > >> > > OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:> > >> > > - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two> > > - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright> > rays> > >> > > Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and Venus> > are> > > friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is> > > minimal.> > >> > > Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > Stephen Leacock<> > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>> > > - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some> > > day> > > die, which is not so."> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Krishna,> > > >> > > > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is the> > > > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in> > > > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a> > faster> > > > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree with> > > > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong> > intellectual/analytical> > > > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.> > > >> > > > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where Venus> > is> > > > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may be> > of> > > > interest to you.> > > > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm> > > >> > > >> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > ___> > > >> > > > -> > > > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%> > 40gmail.com>> > > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%> > 40>>> > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM> > > > Re: A question on Mercury> > > >> > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine the> > > > winner> > > > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method to> > > > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was "the one is on the> > north> > > > and with brighter rays is the winner". Venus fares better than Mercury> > on> > > > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be the> > > > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the role> > of> > > > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that like> > in> > > > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also. That is> > > > why> > > > I raised this topic for discussion.> > > >> > > > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart. There> > > > are> > > > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for me.I> > > > notice> > > > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were not in> > > > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished Rahu-Venus> > > > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school and> > > > things> > > > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously for> > > > my> > > > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During> > > > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young engineer,> > I> > > > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors who> > > > made> > > > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did not> > > > change> > > > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat (note> > Sat> > > > is> > > > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different> > > > unexpected> > > > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at> > > > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics. Again> > > > Sat-Mer> > > > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock options.> > > > And, I> > > > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times> > during> > > > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly, I> > > > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for the> > > > first> > > > time in my career.> > > >> > > > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens up a> > > > task> > > > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives> > consistent> > > > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the> > planet> > > > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any help> > on> > > > this matter is greatly appreciated.> > > >> > > > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got> > interested> > > > in> > > > this topic.> > > >> > > > Thanks for your help and guidance.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > Mike Ditka> > > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -> > > > "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms."> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

October 21, 2009

Dear Gopi ji,Thanks for sharing a chart. But, I don't see graha yuddha in the given chart. Mercury and Venus are about 18 degrees apart!In my case, the graha yddha is between Mercury and Venus.

Regards,KrishnaJonathan Swift - " May you live every day of your life. "

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

Dear Krishna ji,//The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are

multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with

Graha Yuddha condition.//sure i agree with you totally.I am presenting a chart of a girl here for the purpose.I think there will be many charts with sun,mer,ven conjunction since they move very closely.In your chart it is in lagna.L/L sun is more powerful just by being in his own house and he is an enemy to ven and hence he will win the war is my humble opinion.In this girl's chart it is in mer's house and hence mer is powerful and will win the war.By being retro also may give more strength to mer.Is it not so?

D.O.B.......1-7-1987P.O.B.....GUNTURT.O.B....23.24hrs(midnight)Love and regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

>> Dear Uttara,> Thanks for fishing out this note on Graha Yuddha.> > Unfortunately, if I follow this note, I should conclude that Venus has won> the war in my case. But, looking at the relative results during Mercury and

> Venus sub periods, it appears that Mercury has won the war in my case.> > The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are> multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha

> Yuddha condition. Adolf Hitler's case has been already brought up by Mrs.> Wendy, and it is clear in that case that Mars has defeated Venus. Now, we> have two cases where it appears that Venus might be the loser. Hence, it

> might be difficult accept the statement that " Venus is always the> winner... " .> > I hope that members will come out with more examples so that we can debate> on this question.

> > Regards,> Krishna> Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> -

> " The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. " > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Uttara muttaraphalguniwrote:

> > >> >> > Dear Krishna,> >> > ///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet?> > In this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind

> > and now moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet> > as the winner?...//> >> > I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general for

> > the group - for reference.> >> > However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower> > moving planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and then

> > moving forward.> > Who is the winner?> >> > What do are learned members have to say on the subject?> >> > Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to

> > contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?> >> > Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??> >> > " GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An

> > astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets. It> > affects their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this> > relationship are rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and become

> > inauspicious. Such a situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or the> > nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so placed> > is considered Asthagatha or combust. When such a relationship takes place

> > with Moon, it is known as Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five> > nonluminaries within 50 of any other planet causes planetary warfare, or> > Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in this relationship is said to be

> > vanquished and the other is a victor. The victorious planet produces> > powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one becomes inauspicious.> > The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and the individual

> > suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.). There are five> > kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham, Amsumardhanam,> > Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are within 50 of

> > each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30 and 50 of> > each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham. When> > such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the same

> > asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets are> > within one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham proper.> > If one of the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the other

> > is retrograde, they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary warfare> > depends upon the conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta Graha, and> > Akrita or Yayee Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition to

> > another. Akranta Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet.> > Akriti Graha is generally aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up to 11> > a.m., Akranta at noon, and Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is always

> > overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn are always in opposition (Poura),> > while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu are always aggressive. The effect of Graha> > yuddha is conditioned by the mood of these planets as indicated above. A

> > planet with earlier longitude is said to defeat the planet ahead of it. A> > planet in southern hemisphere is considered defeated. But Venus is always> > victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb than the other becomes

> > victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII). " written by J.s.sandhu -> > Audarya Fellowship> >> > As Always,> >> > Uttara> >> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In

> > this> > > case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now> > > moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as> > the> > > winner?

> > >> > > OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:> > >> > > - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two> > > - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright

> > rays> > >> > > Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and Venus> > are> > > friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is

> > > minimal.> > >> > > Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > Stephen Leacock<

> > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>> > > - " I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some

> > > day> > > die, which is not so. " > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna,> > > >> > > > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is the> > > > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in

> > > > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a> > faster> > > > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree with> > > > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong

> > intellectual/analytical> > > > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.> > > >> > > > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where Venus

> > is> > > > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may be> > of> > > > interest to you.> > > > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm

> > > >> > > >> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > ___

> > > >> > > > -> > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%> > 40gmail.com>

> > > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>>> > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM> > > > Re: A question on Mercury

> > > >> > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine the> > > > winner> > > > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method to

> > > > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was " the one is on the> > north> > > > and with brighter rays is the winner " . Venus fares better than Mercury> > on

> > > > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be the> > > > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the role> > of> > > > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that like

> > in> > > > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also. That is> > > > why> > > > I raised this topic for discussion.> > > >

> > > > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart. There> > > > are> > > > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for me.I> > > > notice

> > > > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were not in> > > > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished Rahu-Venus> > > > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school and

> > > > things> > > > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously for> > > > my> > > > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During

> > > > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young engineer,> > I> > > > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors who> > > > made

> > > > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did not> > > > change> > > > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat (note> > Sat

> > > > is> > > > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different> > > > unexpected> > > > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at

> > > > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics. Again> > > > Sat-Mer> > > > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock options.> > > > And, I

> > > > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times> > during> > > > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly, I> > > > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for the

> > > > first> > > > time in my career.> > > >> > > > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens up a> > > > task> > > > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives

> > consistent> > > > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the> > planet> > > > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any help

> > on> > > > this matter is greatly appreciated.> > > >> > > > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got> > interested> > > > in

> > > > this topic.> > > >> > > > Thanks for your help and guidance.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > Mike Ditka

> > > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -> > > > " If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms. "

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

October 21, 2009

Dear Krishna ji,i am sorry.Reg your chart as you yourself said mer seems to have won because ven is the enemy of sun and mer is not while both together form budhaditya/nipuna yoga.Hopefully i will get back with another chart soon.Love and regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> Thanks for sharing a chart. But, I don't see graha yuddha in the given> chart. Mercury and Venus are about 18 degrees apart!> > In my case, the graha yddha is between Mercury and Venus.> > Regards,> Krishna> Jonathan Swift<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html>> - "May you live every day of your life."> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:> > >> >> > *Dear Krishna ji,> > *//The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are> > multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha> > Yuddha condition.//> > *sure i agree with you totally.I am presenting a chart of a girl here for> > the purpose.I think there will be many charts with sun,mer,ven conjunction> > since they move very closely.In your chart it is in lagna.L/L sun is more> > powerful just by being in his own house and he is an enemy to ven and hence> > he will win the war is my humble opinion.In this girl's chart it is in mer's> > house and hence mer is powerful and will win the war.By being retro also may> > give more strength to mer.Is it not so?> > D.O.B.......1-7-1987> > P.O.B.....GUNTUR> > T.O.B....23.24hrs(midnight)> >> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > *> > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > kmurthys58@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Uttara,> > > Thanks for fishing out this note on Graha Yuddha.> > >> > > Unfortunately, if I follow this note, I should conclude that Venus has> > won> > > the war in my case. But, looking at the relative results during Mercury> > and> > > Venus sub periods, it appears that Mercury has won the war in my case.> > >> > > The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are> > > multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha> > > Yuddha condition. Adolf Hitler's case has been already brought up by Mrs.> > > Wendy, and it is clear in that case that Mars has defeated Venus. Now, we> > > have two cases where it appears that Venus might be the loser. Hence, it> > > might be difficult accept the statement that "Venus is always the> > > winner...".> > >> > > I hope that members will come out with more examples so that we can> > debate> > > on this question.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html>> > -> > > "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."> > >> > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Uttara muttaraphalguni:> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Krishna,> > > >> > > > ///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving> > planet?> > > > In this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from> > behind> > > > and now moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving> > planet> > > > as the winner?...//> > > >> > > > I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general> > for> > > > the group - for reference.> > > >> > > > However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower> > > > moving planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and> > then> > > > moving forward.> > > > Who is the winner?> > > >> > > > What do are learned members have to say on the subject?> > > >> > > > Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to> > > > contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?> > > >> > > > Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??> > > >> > > > "GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An> > > > astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets.> > It> > > > affects their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this> > > > relationship are rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and> > become> > > > inauspicious. Such a situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or> > the> > > > nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so> > placed> > > > is considered Asthagatha or combust. When such a relationship takes> > place> > > > with Moon, it is known as Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five> > > > nonluminaries within 50 of any other planet causes planetary warfare,> > or> > > > Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in this relationship is said> > to be> > > > vanquished and the other is a victor. The victorious planet produces> > > > powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one becomes> > inauspicious.> > > > The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and the> > individual> > > > suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.). There are> > five> > > > kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham, Amsumardhanam,> > > > Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are within 50> > of> > > > each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30 and> > 50 of> > > > each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham.> > When> > > > such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the> > same> > > > asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets> > are> > > > within one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham> > proper.> > > > If one of the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the> > other> > > > is retrograde, they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary> > warfare> > > > depends upon the conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta> > Graha, and> > > > Akrita or Yayee Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition> > to> > > > another. Akranta Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet.> > > > Akriti Graha is generally aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up> > to 11> > > > a.m., Akranta at noon, and Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is> > always> > > > overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn are always in opposition> > (Poura),> > > > while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu are always aggressive. The effect of> > Graha> > > > yuddha is conditioned by the mood of these planets as indicated above.> > A> > > > planet with earlier longitude is said to defeat the planet ahead of it.> > A> > > > planet in southern hemisphere is considered defeated. But Venus is> > always> > > > victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb than the other becomes> > > > victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII)." written by J.s.sandhu -> > > > Audarya Fellowship> > > >> > > > As Always,> > > >> > > > Uttara> > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > >,> >> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > > > What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In> > > > this> > > > > case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and> > now> > > > > moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet> > as> > > > the> > > > > winner?> > > > >> > > > > OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:> > > > >> > > > > - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two> > > > > - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright> > > > rays> > > > >> > > > > Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and> > Venus> > > > are> > > > > friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is> > > > > minimal.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > > Stephen Leacock<> > > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>> > > > > - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall> > some> > > > > day> > > > > die, which is not so."> > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Krishna,> > > > > >> > > > > > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is> > the> > > > > > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in> > > > > > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a> > > > faster> > > > > > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree> > with> > > > > > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong> > > > intellectual/analytical> > > > > > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.> > > > > >> > > > > > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where> > Venus> > > > is> > > > > > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may> > be> > > > of> > > > > > interest to you.> > > > > > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > > > ___> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%> > > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > >> > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > ><jyotish-vidya%> > > > 40>>> > > > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM> > > > > > Re: A question on Mercury> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > > > > > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine> > the> > > > > > winner> > > > > > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method> > to> > > > > > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was "the one is on the> > > > north> > > > > > and with brighter rays is the winner". Venus fares better than> > Mercury> > > > on> > > > > > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be> > the> > > > > > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the> > role> > > > of> > > > > > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that> > like> > > > in> > > > > > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also.> > That is> > > > > > why> > > > > > I raised this topic for discussion.> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart.> > There> > > > > > are> > > > > > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for> > me.I> > > > > > notice> > > > > > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were> > not in> > > > > > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished> > Rahu-Venus> > > > > > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school> > and> > > > > > things> > > > > > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously> > for> > > > > > my> > > > > > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During> > > > > > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young> > engineer,> > > > I> > > > > > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors> > who> > > > > > made> > > > > > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did> > not> > > > > > change> > > > > > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat> > (note> > > > Sat> > > > > > is> > > > > > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different> > > > > > unexpected> > > > > > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at> > > > > > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics.> > Again> > > > > > Sat-Mer> > > > > > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock> > options.> > > > > > And, I> > > > > > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times> > > > during> > > > > > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly,> > I> > > > > > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for> > the> > > > > > first> > > > > > time in my career.> > > > > >> > > > > > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens> > up a> > > > > > task> > > > > > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives> > > > consistent> > > > > > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the> > > > planet> > > > > > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any> > help> > > > on> > > > > > this matter is greatly appreciated.> > > > > >> > > > > > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got> > > > interested> > > > > > in> > > > > > this topic.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your help and guidance.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > Mike Ditka> > > > > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -> > > > > > "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us> > arms."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

October 21, 2009

Dear Krishna,

If i may...

It is late here and I have had an exhausting day meeting a team of doctors for

hours. If you could abide me this one favor, would you please post your natal

chart again so I have it at hand without going through the archives or previous

posts.

I sense that you are not finding the answer that you are looking for and I feel

another post to look at your chart might not only aide me but others to come to

some complimentary conclusion on your question of a fast moving planet

overtaking a slower one who has be called the winner in the Graha Yuddha.

As Always,

Uttara

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

> Thanks for fishing out this note on Graha Yuddha.

>

> Unfortunately, if I follow this note, I should conclude that Venus has won

> the war in my case. But, looking at the relative results during Mercury and

> Venus sub periods, it appears that Mercury has won the war in my case.

>

> The best way to find out what is the correct approach (as there are

> multitude of opinions on this subject) is to study more charts with Graha

> Yuddha condition. Adolf Hitler's case has been already brought up by Mrs.

> Wendy, and it is clear in that case that Mars has defeated Venus. Now, we

> have two cases where it appears that Venus might be the loser. Hence, it

> might be difficult accept the statement that " Venus is always the

> winner... " .

>

> I hope that members will come out with more examples so that we can debate

> on this question.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

> Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> -

> " The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. "

>

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Uttara <muttaraphalguniwrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > ///....What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet?

> > In this case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind

> > and now moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet

> > as the winner?...//

> >

> > I took the liberty to forward an explanation on Graha Yuddha in general for

> > the group - for reference.

> >

> > However, your question revolves around the lower longitude of a slower

> > moving planet being approached from behind a faster moving planet and then

> > moving forward.

> > Who is the winner?

> >

> > What do are learned members have to say on the subject?

> >

> > Also are there students or others who have chart examples they wish to

> > contribute to this discussion and question at hand by Krishna?

> >

> > Can one find the answer in the following explanation? Akranta graha??

> >

> > " GRAHAYUDHA [(Graha = planet) + (Yudha = fight) planetary warfare]. An

> > astronomical phenomenon resulting from proximity between two planets. It

> > affects their power to produce any result. The planets involved in this

> > relationship are rendered unable to bestow their beneficence, and become

> > inauspicious. Such a situation occurs when a planet other than Moon or the

> > nodes (Rahu.or Ketu) is situated within 50 of the Sun. The planet so placed

> > is considered Asthagatha or combust. When such a relationship takes place

> > with Moon, it is known as Saniaagama, or combination. Any of the five

> > nonluminaries within 50 of any other planet causes planetary warfare, or

> > Graha yudiza, and one of the two involved in this relationship is said to be

> > vanquished and the other is a victor. The victorious planet produces

> > powerful auspicious effects, while the vanquished one becomes inauspicious.

> > The house in which this phenomenon occurs is destroyed and the individual

> > suffers throughout his life in respect to that Bhava (q.v.). There are five

> > kinds of planetary warfare, viz., Bhedam, Ullekham, Amsumardhanam,

> > Apasauyam, and Yuddham. Bhedain occurs when two planets are within 50 of

> > each other though in different asterisms. When they are between 30 and 50 of

> > each other located in the same asterism, they are in Ullekha yuddham. When

> > such planets are within a distance of 10 to 30 of each other in the same

> > asterism, the relationship is known as Amsumardlianam. If the planets are

> > within one degree of the other, they are known as in Graha yuddham proper.

> > If one of the two planets within 50 of each other is direct while the other

> > is retrograde, they form Apasavya Yuddham. The effects of planetary warfare

> > depends upon the conditions classified under Poura Graha, Akranta Graha, and

> > Akrita or Yayee Graha. Poura Graha is a planet in a state of opposition to

> > another. Akranta Graha is the overpowered, chased, or eclipsed planet.

> > Akriti Graha is generally aggressive on the move. The Sun is Poura up to 11

> > a.m., Akranta at noon, and Akrita or feeble in the afternoon. Moon is always

> > overpowered. Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn are always in opposition (Poura),

> > while Mars, Venus, Rahu, and Ketu are always aggressive. The effect of Graha

> > yuddha is conditioned by the mood of these planets as indicated above. A

> > planet with earlier longitude is said to defeat the planet ahead of it. A

> > planet in southern hemisphere is considered defeated. But Venus is always

> > victorious. The planet with a fairly larger orb than the other becomes

> > victorious. (See Brihat Samhita, Chap. XVII). " written by J.s.sandhu -

> > Audarya Fellowship

> >

> > As Always,

> >

> > Uttara

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > What if the planet having lower longitude is a slow moving planet? In

> > this

> > > case, the faster moving planet approached this planet from behind and now

> > > moved slightly ahead of it. Do we still take the slow moving planet as

> > the

> > > winner?

> > >

> > > OK, in my case, based on what you have said I would conclude that:

> > >

> > > - Mercury is the winner as it has lower longitude of the two

> > > - Venus though has lost, is only affected marginally as it has bright

> > rays

> > >

> > > Also, probably, we should consider the fact that both Mercury and Venus

> > are

> > > friends and don't counter each others rays. Hence, the damage done is

> > > minimal.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the link. I came across it yesterday and read it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > > Stephen Leacock<

> > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>

> > > - " I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some

> > > day

> > > die, which is not so. "

> > >

> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@>wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > >

> > > > The sages tell us that because Venus, next to the luminaries, is the

> > > > brightest object in the sky, it's never completely vanquished in

> > > > planetary war. However, it's my understanding that the effect of a

> > faster

> > > > moving planet (such as Mercury) approaching Venus within 1 degree with

> > > > the INTENT to overcome will manifest as a strong

> > intellectual/analytical

> > > > force in respect to the houses owned by Venus.

> > > >

> > > > As we know Adolf Hitler's chart also presents a situation where Venus

> > is

> > > > involved in a war...this time with Mars. The following article may be

> > of

> > > > interest to you.

> > > > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-040506.htm

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > ___

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > 40gmail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > <jyotish-vidya

<jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>>

> > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 AM

> > > > Re: A question on Mercury

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > I think sometime back we discussed this issue of how to determine the

> > > > winner

> > > > of the planetary war. Till today, I have not found a logical method to

> > > > decide the winner. What looked logical to me was " the one is on the

> > north

> > > > and with brighter rays is the winner " . Venus fares better than Mercury

> > on

> > > > both the counts in my chart. Based on this I considered Venus to be the

> > > > winner in my chart. But, it did not make sense when I look at the role

> > of

> > > > Mercury in my life. Hence, I was contemplating with an idea that like

> > in

> > > > combustion, Mercury may not suffer much in 'graha yuddha' also. That is

> > > > why

> > > > I raised this topic for discussion.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with your analysis about Mercury and Venus in my chart. There

> > > > are

> > > > other things that contrast the Venus and Mercury sub periods for me.I

> > > > notice

> > > > that though I did well in my education overall, the results were not in

> > > > proportion to my efforts during Rahu-Venus. Once I finished Rahu-Venus

> > > > things were spectacular. During Rahu-Mer, I was only high school and

> > > > things

> > > > were good in general. In high school days I never studied seriously for

> > > > my

> > > > exams and yet I was one of the bright students in the class. During

> > > > Jup-Mercury, I did extremely well on the job front as a young engineer,

> > I

> > > > was selected for a Swiss assignment bypassing some of the seniors who

> > > > made

> > > > lot of noise after my selection. However, our Chief Engineer did not

> > > > change

> > > > his decision. The date of selection falls during during Jup-Sat (note

> > Sat

> > > > is

> > > > in the nakshatra of Mercury). This took my income to a different

> > > > unexpected

> > > > level. On the contrary, during Jup-Ven I had to wind up my work at

> > > > Switzerland and come back to India as someone played politics. Again

> > > > Sat-Mer

> > > > period gave me unprecedented salary hikes and employee stock options.

> > > > And, I

> > > > quit my job during Sat-Venus. My bosses(gurus?) changed 2-3 times

> > during

> > > > this period due to on-going organizational restructuring. Suddenly, I

> > > > noticed that lot of my decision making freedom was curtailed for the

> > > > first

> > > > time in my career.

> > > >

> > > > Assuming that Mercury has won because of the lower longitude opens up a

> > > > task

> > > > to study charts with graha yuddha and see if this method gives

> > consistent

> > > > results. But, what would be the logic behind such a rule that the

> > planet

> > > > with lower longitude wins? I am not able to comprehend this. Any help

> > on

> > > > this matter is greatly appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering about my next MD that of Mercury and hence got

> > interested

> > > > in

> > > > this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your help and guidance.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > Mike Ditka

> > > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> -

> > > > " If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Uttara,No problem. Here are my birth details:DOB: Sep. 7, 1958TOB: 6:15 am (recorded), 6:15:29 (rectified by me)POB: Bangalore

Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Dear Krishna,

If i may...

It is late here and I have had an exhausting day meeting a team of doctors for hours. If you could abide me this one favor, would you please post your natal chart again so I have it at hand without going through the archives or previous posts.

I sense that you are not finding the answer that you are looking for and I feel another post to look at your chart might not only aide me but others to come to some complimentary conclusion on your question of a fast moving planet overtaking a slower one who has be called the winner in the Graha Yuddha.