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Dear Sally...

 

If you get it, please let me know.

So far, I have printed out the 12 charts for that day, and hope to get some time to work on the project.

Of course, it would be better to have the birth time.

David Hawthorne

 

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Sally Spencer

SAMVA

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:52 PM

Michael Jackson

Hello Members, Does anyone have Michael Jackson's chart? I couldn't get it on astro.com . Thanks. Sally

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Hi Sally,

 

Thanks for your insights. A few comments and a question from a

novice:

 

1) You say Ve afflicts 4 & 9; you probably meant 3 & 9.

2) Also, you mentioned that Ke afflicts Ve. Perhaps not, since it is

outside the 5 degree orb.

3) I do not understand the point you were trying to make about final

dispositor. What is the SA significance of that?

 

Thanks,

 

John

 

 

 

SAMVA , Sally Spencer <sally234@e...> wrote:

> Hello All,

>

> He was in a Rahu subperiod from age 10-12. The start of

puberty..in

> Rahu said by the Professor, gives unusual sexual leanings. Rahu

resides

> in the third house in the navamsa; house of younger siblings.

> In the happiness or dreshkana chart it resides in the fifth house

of

> children.

> In the dasamsa or great success chart it resides in the eighth of

scandals.

> In the trimsamsa for misfortunes it is in the eleventh of gains

> (non SA) His avayogi or penury karaka is Venus, the bhukti lord of

Aug

> 06. His wealth will be depleted towards legal costs. Sixth lord

Venus

> afflicts the fourth and ninth as well.

>

> Sally

> --

> Sally Spencer

> Enlightened Living Services

> http://www.Devi3.byregion.net

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Sally,

 

Thank you for the data on Michael Jackson. What ascendant do you get?

I came up with 20:55 Taurus. This chart doesn't look quite right to

me, but I don't want to dig into the analysis until I make sure I have

the correct chart.

 

I used August 29, 1958 at 2343 (+5:00 DST), 41N36, 87W21.

 

Thanks.

 

Lew Jones

 

On Feb 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Sally Spencer wrote:

 

> Hello Members,  David,

>

> I found the Michael Jackson chart on google.  August 29, 1958; 11:43

> pm; Gary, IN

>

> He is having a nodal return on opposite poles.  Eleventh and fifth

> house of children.

>

>  He's in a double benefic planetary period.  The major lord, Mercury

> is combust not closely however.  But it is afflicted closely by Ketu. 

> Mercury does rule young boys..it's in the fifth sign of the zodiac of

> children.

>

> He started his life in an eighth lord period which resides in the

> sixth house, double karaka for father.  The dispositor is Venus. 

> Venus is afflicted by Ketu closely.  It's interesting, Ketu aflicts by

> four degrees and this trial is in his fortieth decade as per the

> Professor's decade rule. 

> Venus sixth lord is on third mep (Gemini house also younger siblings);

> love relations and conflict.  The final dispositor is in the seventh

> house of pleasures.

>

> Will his status save him, Saturn tenth lord on 7mep.  He's in a Saturn

> bhukti.  Trouble is 2006 is a Ketu period and Ketu afflicts Venus,

> lord of sixth house.  If he were in jail you'd think it would be

> twelfth lord.  His twelfth lord is in the twelfth!

> This is all so far...

>

>

> Aloha,

>

> Sally

> Principal dates in the life of Michael Jackson

>

>

>  

> SANTA MARTA, California, Jan 27 (AFP) - Below are the principal dates

> in the life of pop star Michael Jackson, 46, due to appear on trial

> next Monday on child molestation charges.

>

>

>

> - August 29, 1958: born in Gary, Indiana

>

> - August 1962: singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five

>

> - March 1969: first Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's

> black-owned record label Michael's voice propels the group onto the

> hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There "

>

> - 1970: launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five

>

> - August 1980: release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy

> Jones, which sold 11 million copies

>

> - December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits

> included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million

> copies worldwide

>

> - 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad

>

> - 1985: Buys ATV Musci -- a company with rights to John Lennon and

> Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars

>

> - 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight

> against hunger in Africa

>

> - 1987: release of " Bad, " which sold 26 millions copies and marked the

> end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones

>

> - 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out

>

> - 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical

> mask in public

>

> - 1992: release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies

>

> - August 1993: a father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old

> son, but settles out of court

>

> - May 1994-February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of

> Elvis

>

> - June 1995: release of " HIStory " album

>

> - November 1996-October 1999: marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old

> nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael

> Katherine

>

> - October 2001: release of " Invincible "

>

> - July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

> especially African-Americans

>

> - November 19, 2002: scandal after Jackson dangles his third son,

> nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony

>

> - January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of

> 1.7 million dollars for two paintings

>

> - February 3: in documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast

> on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have

> shared his bed

>

> - February: singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

> back salary, which was settled out of court in June

>

> - November 18: police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as

> " Number Ones " album is released

>

> - November 19: warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts

> of child molestation

>

> - November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering

> to police, held briefly then released on bail

>

> - December 18: he is formally charged with child molestation

>

> - January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first

> appearance amid a media circus

>

> - January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson is due to go on trial

>

>

>

>  

>

> Copyright Political Gateway and Agence France-Presse, 2005© AFP2004

> --

>

>

>

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Sally,

 

Please disregard my previous email. I now see that you provided the

Michael Jackson chart at the bottom of your email. And the ascendant

is 20:55 Taurus.

 

Thanks again.

 

Lew Jones

 

On Feb 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Sally Spencer wrote:

 

> Hello Members,  David,

>

> I found the Michael Jackson chart on google.  August 29, 1958; 11:43

> pm; Gary, IN

>

> He is having a nodal return on opposite poles.  Eleventh and fifth

> house of children.

>

>  He's in a double benefic planetary period.  The major lord, Mercury

> is combust not closely however.  But it is afflicted closely by Ketu. 

> Mercury does rule young boys..it's in the fifth sign of the zodiac of

> children.

>

> He started his life in an eighth lord period which resides in the

> sixth house, double karaka for father.  The dispositor is Venus. 

> Venus is afflicted by Ketu closely.  It's interesting, Ketu aflicts by

> four degrees and this trial is in his fortieth decade as per the

> Professor's decade rule. 

> Venus sixth lord is on third mep (Gemini house also younger siblings);

> love relations and conflict.  The final dispositor is in the seventh

> house of pleasures.

>

> Will his status save him, Saturn tenth lord on 7mep.  He's in a Saturn

> bhukti.  Trouble is 2006 is a Ketu period and Ketu afflicts Venus,

> lord of sixth house.  If he were in jail you'd think it would be

> twelfth lord.  His twelfth lord is in the twelfth!

> This is all so far...

>

>

> Aloha,

>

> Sally

> Principal dates in the life of Michael Jackson

>

>

>  

> SANTA MARTA, California, Jan 27 (AFP) - Below are the principal dates

> in the life of pop star Michael Jackson, 46, due to appear on trial

> next Monday on child molestation charges.

>

>

>

> - August 29, 1958: born in Gary, Indiana

>

> - August 1962: singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five

>

> - March 1969: first Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's

> black-owned record label Michael's voice propels the group onto the

> hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There "

>

> - 1970: launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five

>

> - August 1980: release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy

> Jones, which sold 11 million copies

>

> - December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits

> included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million

> copies worldwide

>

> - 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad

>

> - 1985: Buys ATV Musci -- a company with rights to John Lennon and

> Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars

>

> - 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight

> against hunger in Africa

>

> - 1987: release of " Bad, " which sold 26 millions copies and marked the

> end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones

>

> - 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out

>

> - 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical

> mask in public

>

> - 1992: release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies

>

> - August 1993: a father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old

> son, but settles out of court

>

> - May 1994-February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of

> Elvis

>

> - June 1995: release of " HIStory " album

>

> - November 1996-October 1999: marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old

> nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael

> Katherine

>

> - October 2001: release of " Invincible "

>

> - July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

> especially African-Americans

>

> - November 19, 2002: scandal after Jackson dangles his third son,

> nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony

>

> - January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of

> 1.7 million dollars for two paintings

>

> - February 3: in documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast

> on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have

> shared his bed

>

> - February: singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

> back salary, which was settled out of court in June

>

> - November 18: police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as

> " Number Ones " album is released

>

> - November 19: warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts

> of child molestation

>

> - November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering

> to police, held briefly then released on bail

>

> - December 18: he is formally charged with child molestation

>

> - January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first

> appearance amid a media circus

>

> - January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson is due to go on trial

>

>

>

>  

>

> Copyright Political Gateway and Agence France-Presse, 2005© AFP2004

> --

>

>

>

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Hi,

Welcome. Not sure if SA recognized final dispositor, but the

influence is there as each dispositor leaves it's mark.

You're right it is slightly outside five degree mark. However it is

transit afflicting it right now, shows the trial date at least.

And yes, third house, fourth sign.

Aloha, Sally

 

 

johnm92008 wrote:

 

 

Hi Sally,

 

Thanks for your insights. A few comments and a question from a

novice:

 

1) You say Ve afflicts 4 & 9; you probably meant 3 & 9.

2) Also, you mentioned that Ke afflicts Ve. Perhaps not, since it is

outside the 5 degree orb.

3) I do not understand the point you were trying to make about final

dispositor. What is the SA significance of that?

 

Thanks,

 

John

 

 

 

SAMVA , Sally Spencer <sally234@e...> wrote:

> Hello All,

>

> He was in a Rahu subperiod from age 10-12. The start of

puberty..in

> Rahu said by the Professor, gives unusual sexual leanings. Rahu

resides

> in the third house in the navamsa; house of younger siblings.

> In the happiness or dreshkana chart it resides in the fifth house

of

> children.

> In the dasamsa or great success chart it resides in the eighth of

scandals.

> In the trimsamsa for misfortunes it is in the eleventh of gains

> (non SA) His avayogi or penury karaka is Venus, the bhukti lord of

 

Aug

> 06. His wealth will be depleted towards legal costs. Sixth lord

Venus

> afflicts the fourth and ninth as well.

>

> Sally

> --

> Sally Spencer

> Enlightened Living Services

> http://www.Devi3.byregion.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

You can find in astro.com:

 

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jackson%2C_Michael_%281958%29

 

Regards

 

Bhanu (AstroOpenSource)

Visit: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpmuhurat  for Free Open source KP Muhurat software

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

26 June 2009

 

Dear all

 

Can anybody please give me the  birth and death details of Michael Joseph Jackson?

 

Thanks

 

Ravinder GRover

 

 

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Hi,

 

has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

 

His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

 

I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and t.o.b is

10.00 a.m.

 

According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

antardasa of Jupiter.

 

For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

 

Regards,

Neena

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Dear Neena,

 

Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

 

If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of Jackson’s horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself. Subsequent to that, a biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late; the actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had occasion to meet. "

The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the whole MJ's career. My two bits towards the discussion.

Paul Paral

 

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 

 

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and antardasa of Jupiter.For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

Regards,Neena

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Dear Paul,

 

Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how I

originally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when

Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I had

more time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later than

mine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd

lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc,

etc..

 

Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Neena,

 

Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

 

If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

another

forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.

This

is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

taken

interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the

timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

*Jackson’s

horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially

given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that,

a

biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I

had

occasion to meet. "

*

The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the

alleged

pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

whole MJ's career.

 

My two bits towards the discussion.

 

Paul Paral

 

 

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

 

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

 

 

> Hi,

>

> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

>

> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any

> self

> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain

> killers.

>

> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

>

> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

> antardasa of Jupiter.

>

> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

>

> Regards,

> Neena

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Dear Wendiji,

 

It is not Paul. I had gone through one of the site (link attached) where paul as given his comments on his birth time of MJ.

 

Time of death is unknown  but one of the new channels say that an unidentified man called a 911 emergency phone line from the mansion at 12:21 p.m. local time, saying Jackson was unconscious and not breathing.

Regards,

 

Anil Ronald

Regards,

 

Anil Ronald

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Paul,Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how Ioriginally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when

Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I hadmore time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later thanmine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd

lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc,etc..Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death.Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

- " ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PMRe: Michael JacksonDear Neena,Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

anotherforum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, anastrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.Thisis what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

takeninterest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because thetiming of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of*Jackson’shoroscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initiallygiven a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that,abiography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initialrectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* theactual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I

hadoccasion to meet. " *The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about theallegedpedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in thewhole MJ's career.

My two bits towards the discussion.Paul Paralhttp://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

Regards,AnilOn Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:> Hi,>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

>> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any> self> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain> killers.>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and> antardasa of Jupiter.>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

>> Regards,> Neena---

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Hello Anil,

 

There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant.

Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the

ascendant.

Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in

the 12H.

 

Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer.

 

 

I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely

11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular

and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment).

 

Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with

the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant.

 

 

Ron

 

 

 

 

ANIL CORDA wrote:

> Dear Neena,

>

> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

>

> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another

> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This

> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken

> interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the

> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> *Jackson’s

> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

> Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially

> given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a

> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had

> occasion to meet. "

> *

> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged

> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

> whole MJ's career.

>

> My two bits towards the discussion.

>

> Paul Paral

>

>

>

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

>

> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

>>

>> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

>> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

>>

>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

>> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

>>

>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

>> antardasa of Jupiter.

>>

>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Neena

>>

>>

>>

>

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Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on one of

the internet sites.

 

I will now try and study his chart with the new timing.

It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life events

are common knowledge.

 

Regards,

 

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

>

> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another

> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This

> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken

> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> *Jackson's

> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a

> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had

> occasion to meet. "

> *

> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged

> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

> whole MJ's career.

>

> My two bits towards the discussion.

>

> Paul Paral

>

>

>

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start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

>

> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

> >

> > His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

> > destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

> >

> > I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

> >

> > According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

> > antardasa of Jupiter.

> >

> > For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Neena

> >

> >

> >

>

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Ron,

 

With 11-53 a.m.time I am getting Scorpio lagna and not Libra.

 

Could you check again?

 

Regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Hello Anil,

>

> There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant.

> Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the

> ascendant.

> Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in

> the 12H.

>

> Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer.

>

>

> I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely

> 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular

> and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment).

>

> Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with

> the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant.

>

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

> ANIL CORDA wrote:

> > Dear Neena,

> >

> > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

> >

> > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another

> > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This

> > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken

> > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> > *Jackson's

> > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

> > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a

> > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

> > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had

> > occasion to meet. "

> > *

> > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged

> > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

> > whole MJ's career.

> >

> > My two bits towards the discussion.

> >

> > Paul Paral

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

> >>

> >> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

> >> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

> >>

> >> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> >> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

> >>

> >> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

> >> antardasa of Jupiter.

> >>

> >> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Neena

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

>

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Dear Wendy,

Astrodatabank gives the time of birth as 12-00 noon.

 

Is this because they may not have the correct time?

 

Regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Paul,

>

> Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how I

> originally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when

> Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I had

> more time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later than

> mine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd

> lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc,

> etc..

>

> Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PM

> Re: Michael Jackson

>

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

>

> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

> another

> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.

> This

> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

> taken

> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> *Jackson's

> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that,

> a

> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I

> had

> occasion to meet. "

> *

> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the

> alleged

> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

> whole MJ's career.

>

> My two bits towards the discussion.

>

> Paul Paral

>

>

>

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

>

> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

> >

> > His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any

> > self

> > destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain

> > killers.

> >

> > I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

> >

> > According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

> > antardasa of Jupiter.

> >

> > For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Neena

>

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Dear Neena,

 

Yes, when T.O.B. is not known a chart is normally drawn for 12:00 Noon.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" neenako " <neena-k

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 29, 2009 4:06 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

-

Dear Wendy,

Astrodatabank gives the time of birth as 12-00 noon.

 

Is this because they may not have the correct time?

 

Regards,

Neena

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Dear Neena and All,

 

I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of

death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone

has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it.

 

First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I

could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life

of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of

death has also confirmed what we would expect.

 

At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu

had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of

death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the

cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning,

in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of

prescription drugs contributing to his death.

 

There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life

and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so

much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking

forward to other's comments on this chart.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" neenako " <neena-k

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

-

Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on

one of the internet sites.

 

I will now try and study his chart with the new timing.

It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life

events are common knowledge.

 

Regards,

 

Neena

 

 

-- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

>

> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

> another

> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.

> This

> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

> taken

> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> *Jackson's

> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT,

> Gary,

> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to

> that, a

> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which

> it

> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom

> I had

> occasion to meet. "

> *

> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the

> alleged

> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in

> the

> whole MJ's career.

>

> My two bits towards the discussion.

>

> Paul Paral

>

>

>

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

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" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM

Fwd: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Wendy

 

I had posted this msg to Uttara for cleareance before posting in grp got

no

reply so am sending it to u

 

Thanks

 

prashant

 

 

Dear Members

 

the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of

instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's

 

a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the

AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human

being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money

for

relief

 

anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the

chart for discussion

 

 

my attempt at it

-----------------------

I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death

again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to

relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or

wrong.

if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data ,

events for time of birth missing ppl.

but like Obama he has a long ish face

a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra

a celebrity, humaiterian

and also a controversial one

with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra

for

Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,

 

I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and

worked backwards

 

 

 

 

Prashant

*Some events in his life*

 

August 29,

1958: Born in Gary, Indiana.

 

August 1962: Singing debut

with his brothers, The Jackson Five.

 

March 1969: First Jackson

Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label.

Michael's

voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be

There " .

 

1970: Launch of solo

career alongside that of the Jackson Five.

 

August 1979: Release of " Off

The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies.

 

December 1982: release of

" Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, "

pushing

sales to 50 million copies worldwide.

 

1984: Jackson's face gets

burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad.

 

1985: Buys ATV Music -- a

company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5

million

dollars.

 

1985: Jackson

writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in

Africa.

 

1987: Release of " Bad, "

which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with

Quincy

Jones.

 

1988: His

autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out.

 

1990: Michael Jackson is

seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/

 

1992: Release of

" Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/

 

August 1993: A father

accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of

court/

 

May 1994: February 1996:

marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/

 

June 1995: Release of

" History " album/

 

November

1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom

he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine

..

October 2001: Release of

" Invincible " .

 

July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

especially

African-Americans.

 

November 19,

2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince

Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony.

 

January 31, 2003: Sotheby's

auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two

paintings.

 

 

February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on

ITV,

Jackson claims never to have

abused a child, merely to have shared his bed.

 

February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

back

salary, which is settled out

of court in June.

 

November

18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones "

album is released.

 

November

19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child

molestation.

 

November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to

police, held briefly

then released on bail.

 

December

18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation.

 

January 16, 2004: Jackson

pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus.

 

January 31, 2005: Michael

Jackson trial begins with jury selection.

 

February 28, 2005: Opening

arguments begin in trial.

 

June 4,

2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict.

 

June 13, 2005: Jackson

acquitted on all charges against him.

 

March 5, 2009: Jackson

announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final

curtain "

-- his first major shows for more than a decade.

 

May 20, 2009: Jackson delays

comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " .

 

June 25, 2009: Jackson dies

in Los Angeles.

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe

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Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

 

I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past weeks.

What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to be a month now.

My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well wishes. I will write

separately to each of you.

 

In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his T.O.B. and

death.

 

I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this subject came

up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives but I believe

Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was not part of that

discussion.

 

This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events.

Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson had

a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT (13:12 PDT) it was

confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call

states tht MJ was not breathing and was non responsive. His private doctor who

was living with him was attempting CPR while MJ was lying in bed.

 

Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ alive but

fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse.

 

Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not breathing.

They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest percussions were done.

To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived

at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs of life. The hospital worked on him

until 14:26 when he was officially declared dead.

Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT.

(14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his death

publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported his body to

the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT.

 

From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were

called.

 

Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD

4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday morning

and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and suicide have been

ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael Jackson was murdered by his

entourage of people over a period of months through uncontrolled drugs given

through injections and pill form. A dead MJ would be to his promoters a

profitable one whereas a ailing MJ who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts

shceduled would be a multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the

insurance company reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental

death? If it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is

proven then the insurance company will not pay.

 

The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' 11 " body

frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a genetic lung

disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 years. It is also known

that MJ often collapsed during extensive rehearsals and has had to be

hospitalized on a number of occasions.

He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple injuries to

his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg surgeries. Obviously

the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain let alone his breathing being

compromised and his anorxia.

 

Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood and

going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a child which

even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his career and killed

his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not liking what he saw in the

mirror convinced that he was not worthy from the psychological abuse that he

suffered by his father along with physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional

childhood that he projected through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was

Peter Pan not ever wanting to grow up.

 

Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a tormented soul.

Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it shows his emotions and

afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to more than 400million.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of

> death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone

> has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it.

>

> First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I

> could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life

> of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of

> death has also confirmed what we would expect.

>

> At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu

> had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of

> death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the

> cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning,

> in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of

> prescription drugs contributing to his death.

>

> There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life

> and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so

> much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking

> forward to other's comments on this chart.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " neenako " <neena-k

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM

> Re: Michael Jackson

>

>

> -

> Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on

> one of the internet sites.

>

> I will now try and study his chart with the new timing.

> It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life

> events are common knowledge.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

>

>

> -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neena,

> >

> > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

> >

> > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

> > another

> > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.

> > This

> > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

> > taken

> > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> > *Jackson's

> > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT,

> > Gary,

> > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to

> > that, a

> > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which

> > it

> > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom

> > I had

> > occasion to meet. "

> > *

> > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the

> > alleged

> > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in

> > the

> > whole MJ's career.

> >

> > My two bits towards the discussion.

> >

> > Paul Paral

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

>

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Dear Prashant,

 

Unfortunately, I did not receive your attempt to email me. No harm done though

:-)

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> -

> " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

> Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM

> Fwd: Michael Jackson

>

>

> Dear Wendy

>

> I had posted this msg to Uttara for cleareance before posting in grp got

> no

> reply so am sending it to u

>

> Thanks

>

> prashant

>

>

> Dear Members

>

> the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of

> instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's

>

> a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the

> AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human

> being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money

> for

> relief

>

> anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the

> chart for discussion

>

>

> my attempt at it

> -----------------------

> I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death

> again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to

> relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or

> wrong.

> if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data ,

> events for time of birth missing ppl.

> but like Obama he has a long ish face

> a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra

> a celebrity, humaiterian

> and also a controversial one

> with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra

> for

> Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,

>

> I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and

> worked backwards

>

>

>

>

> Prashant

> *Some events in his life*

>

> August 29,

> 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana.

>

> August 1962: Singing debut

> with his brothers, The Jackson Five.

>

> March 1969: First Jackson

> Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label.

> Michael's

> voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be

> There " .

>

> 1970: Launch of solo

> career alongside that of the Jackson Five.

>

> August 1979: Release of " Off

> The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies.

>

> December 1982: release of

> " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, "

> pushing

> sales to 50 million copies worldwide.

>

> 1984: Jackson's face gets

> burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad.

>

> 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a

> company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5

> million

> dollars.

>

> 1985: Jackson

> writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in

> Africa.

>

> 1987: Release of " Bad, "

> which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with

> Quincy

> Jones.

>

> 1988: His

> autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out.

>

> 1990: Michael Jackson is

> seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/

>

> 1992: Release of

> " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/

>

> August 1993: A father

> accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of

> court/

>

> May 1994: February 1996:

> marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/

>

> June 1995: Release of

> " History " album/

>

> November

> 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom

> he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine

> .

> October 2001: Release of

> " Invincible " .

>

> July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

> especially

> African-Americans.

>

> November 19,

> 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince

> Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony.

>

> January 31, 2003: Sotheby's

> auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two

> paintings.

>

>

> February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on

> ITV,

> Jackson claims never to have

> abused a child, merely to have shared his bed.

>

> February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

> back

> salary, which is settled out

> of court in June.

>

> November

> 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones "

> album is released.

>

> November

> 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child

> molestation.

>

> November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to

> police, held briefly

> then released on bail.

>

> December

> 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation.

>

> January 16, 2004: Jackson

> pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus.

>

> January 31, 2005: Michael

> Jackson trial begins with jury selection.

>

> February 28, 2005: Opening

> arguments begin in trial.

>

> June 4,

> 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict.

>

> June 13, 2005: Jackson

> acquitted on all charges against him.

>

> March 5, 2009: Jackson

> announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final

> curtain "

> -- his first major shows for more than a decade.

>

> May 20, 2009: Jackson delays

> comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " .

>

> June 25, 2009: Jackson dies

> in Los Angeles.

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe

>

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Dear Prashant,

 

///but like Obama he has a long ish face///

 

To be able to judge anything according to facial features I think we

would have to consider how he looked before surgery.

 

///with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra

for Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,///

 

According to my calculations Jupiter occupies Libra whilst Rahu occupies

Virgo?

 

///I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and

worked backwards///

 

His time of death was reported as 14:26?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM

Fwd: Michael Jackson

 

 

 

Dear Members

 

the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of

instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's

 

a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the

AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human

being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money

for

relief

 

anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the

chart for discussion

 

 

my attempt at it

-----------------------

I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death

again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to

relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or

wrong.

if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data ,

events for time of birth missing ppl.

but like Obama he has a long ish face

a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra

a celebrity, humaiterian

and also a controversial one

with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra

for

Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,

 

I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and

worked backwards

 

 

 

 

Prashant

*Some events in his life*

 

August 29,

1958: Born in Gary, Indiana.

 

August 1962: Singing debut

with his brothers, The Jackson Five.

 

March 1969: First Jackson

Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label.

Michael's

voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be

There " .

 

1970: Launch of solo

career alongside that of the Jackson Five.

 

August 1979: Release of " Off

The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies.

 

December 1982: release of

" Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, "

pushing

sales to 50 million copies worldwide.

 

1984: Jackson's face gets

burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad.

 

1985: Buys ATV Music -- a

company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5

million

dollars.

 

1985: Jackson

writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in

Africa.

 

1987: Release of " Bad, "

which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with

Quincy

Jones.

 

1988: His

autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out.

 

1990: Michael Jackson is

seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/

 

1992: Release of

" Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/

 

August 1993: A father

accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of

court/

 

May 1994: February 1996:

marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/

 

June 1995: Release of

" History " album/

 

November

1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom

he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine

..

October 2001: Release of

" Invincible " .

 

July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

especially

African-Americans.

 

November 19,

2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince

Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony.

 

January 31, 2003: Sotheby's

auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two

paintings.

 

 

February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on

ITV,

Jackson claims never to have

abused a child, merely to have shared his bed.

 

February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

back

salary, which is settled out

of court in June.

 

November

18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones "

album is released.

 

November

19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child

molestation.

 

November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to

police, held briefly

then released on bail.

 

December

18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation.

 

January 16, 2004: Jackson

pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus.

 

January 31, 2005: Michael

Jackson trial begins with jury selection.

 

February 28, 2005: Opening

arguments begin in trial.

 

June 4,

2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict.

 

June 13, 2005: Jackson

acquitted on all charges against him.

 

March 5, 2009: Jackson

announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final

curtain "

-- his first major shows for more than a decade.

 

May 20, 2009: Jackson delays

comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " .

 

June 25, 2009: Jackson dies

in Los Angeles.

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe

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Dear Uttara,

 

Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can.

 

I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left

messages on your answering machine...did you get them?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

<muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:04 AM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

 

I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past

weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to

be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well

wishes. I will write separately to each of you.

 

In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his

T.O.B. and death.

 

I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this

subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives

but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was

not part of that discussion.

 

This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events.

Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael

Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT

(13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at

12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non

responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting

CPR while MJ was lying in bed.

 

Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ

alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse.

 

Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not

breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest

percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to

UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs

of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially

declared dead.

Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT.

(14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his

death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported

his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT.

 

From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were

called.

 

Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD

4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday

morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and

suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael

Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months

through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A

dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ

who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a

multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company

reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If

it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is

proven then the insurance company will not pay.

 

The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5'

11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a

genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10

years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive

rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions.

He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple

injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg

surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain

let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia.

 

Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood

and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a

child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his

career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not

liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from

the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with

physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected

through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever

wanting to grow up.

 

Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a

tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it

shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to

more than 400million.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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Hello Neena,

 

CDT +5 should give Libra Asc

 

Ron

 

neenako wrote:

> -

> Ron,

>

> With 11-53 a.m.time I am getting Scorpio lagna and not Libra.

>

> Could you check again?

>

> Regards,

> Neena

> -- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>> Hello Anil,

>>

>> There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant.

>> Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the

>> ascendant.

>> Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in

>> the 12H.

>>

>> Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer.

>>

>>

>> I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely

>> 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular

>> and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment).

>>

>> Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with

>> the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant.

>>

>>

>> Ron

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ANIL CORDA wrote:

>>> Dear Neena,

>>>

>>> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

>>>

>>> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another

>>> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

>>> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This

>>> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken

>>> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

>>> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

>>> *Jackson's

>>> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

>>> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

>>> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a

>>> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

>>> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

>>> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

>>> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had

>>> occasion to meet. "

>>> *

>>> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged

>>> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

>>> whole MJ's career.

>>>

>>> My two bits towards the discussion.

>>>

>>> Paul Paral

>>>

>>>

>>>

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> Anil

>>>

>>>

>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>>

>>>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

>>>>

>>>> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

>>>> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers.

>>>>

>>>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

>>>> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

>>>>

>>>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

>>>> antardasa of Jupiter.

>>>>

>>>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Neena

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>

>

>

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Dear Group

 

//...Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael

Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it...//

 

Should read: Fox news reported on June 25, 2009 at 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT) that

it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm

it. And would report back once they had further information.

 

//....At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14

PDT.....//

 

Should read: At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA Medical Center, Los

Angeles, CA USA and arrived at 13:14 PDT.

 

Hope this clears any confusion.

 

Also, as I pray for Michael Jackson's soul to rest in peace. I would like to

take note that as astrologers going over someone's chart in detail - almost like

a personal reading - it is done and only done here at JV as a study chart for

students and learned members. Mainly because the person has expired as with

Michael Jackson or one that has been dead for sometime; the study of their chart

in detail does not cause any conscious harm or lack of empathy to the person we

are evaluating. Nor do we run the risk of evaluating incorrectly and in essence

provoke negative consequences to a person that we don't know in a client/patient

counselor relationship where a person has sought us out to work with them on a

one on one intimate basis of their life's ups and downs; their dharma, karma and

enlightenmnet.

 

Here with Michael Jackson's chart we have the liberty to assess, evaluate,

speculate probabilities through trial and error,learning and/or cementing

Parasara principals and techniques; his chart based on what we know of his life

events against a birth and death time that is variable. The chart then becomes

like a post mortum examination of a person's life and timing, and character with

all its qualities and flaws.

 

This is what makes the difference in one seeking personal readings or

predictions from a public forum which is frowned upon here at JV. Rather, JV

encourages students and learned members to ask questions about their charts on a

particular stumbling block from astrological knowledge to give better insight or

connecting the dots (so to speak) of Parashara techniques and its results. This

is how we learn and become more self aware.

 

Also of note. Michael Jackson's last years of life and death are similar to

Anna Nicole Smith who died of an overdose of medication February 8th, 2007.

Also,Elvis Presley of August 17th 1977; Marilyn Monroe of 1966/67 and although

reported to have committed suicide, Judy Garland, who was by her entourage of

the Movie house productions on uppers and downers and sleeping pills since she

was a child. Ms Garland was famous for her singing and her childhood role as

Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " muttaraphalguni "

<muttaraphalguni wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

>

> I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past weeks.

What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to be a month now.

My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well wishes. I will write

separately to each of you.

>

> In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his T.O.B.

and death.

>

> I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this subject

came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives but I believe

Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was not part of that

discussion.

>

> This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events.

> Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson

had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT (13:12 PDT) it

was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call

states tht MJ was not breathing and was non responsive. His private doctor who

was living with him was attempting CPR while MJ was lying in bed.

>

> Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ alive but

fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse.

>

> Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not breathing.

They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest percussions were done.

To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived

at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs of life. The hospital worked on him

until 14:26 when he was officially declared dead.

> Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT.

> (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his death

publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported his body to

the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT.

>

> From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were

called.

>

> Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD

4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday morning

and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and suicide have been

ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael Jackson was murdered by his

entourage of people over a period of months through uncontrolled drugs given

through injections and pill form. A dead MJ would be to his promoters a

profitable one whereas a ailing MJ who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts

shceduled would be a multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the

insurance company reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental

death? If it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is

proven then the insurance company will not pay.

>

> The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' 11 "

body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a genetic

lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 years. It is also

known that MJ often collapsed during extensive rehearsals and has had to be

hospitalized on a number of occasions.

> He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple injuries

to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg surgeries.

Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain let alone his

breathing being compromised and his anorxia.

>

> Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood and

going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a child which

even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his career and killed

his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not liking what he saw in the

mirror convinced that he was not worthy from the psychological abuse that he

suffered by his father along with physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional

childhood that he projected through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was

Peter Pan not ever wanting to grow up.

>

> Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a tormented

soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it shows his emotions

and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to more than 400million.

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neena and All,

> >

> > I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of

> > death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone

> > has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it.

> >

> > First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I

> > could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life

> > of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of

> > death has also confirmed what we would expect.

> >

> > At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu

> > had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of

> > death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the

> > cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning,

> > in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of

> > prescription drugs contributing to his death.

> >

> > There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life

> > and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so

> > much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking

> > forward to other's comments on this chart.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > " neenako " <neena-k@>

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM

> > Re: Michael Jackson

> >

> >

> > -

> > Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on

> > one of the internet sites.

> >

> > I will now try and study his chart with the new timing.

> > It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life

> > events are common knowledge.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neena

> >

> >

> > -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neena,

> > >

> > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

> > >

> > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

> > > another

> > > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> > > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.

> > > This

> > > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

> > > taken

> > > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> > > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> > > *Jackson's

> > > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT,

> > > Gary,

> > > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> > > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to

> > > that, a

> > > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which

> > > it

> > > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> > > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> > > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom

> > > I had

> > > occasion to meet. "

> > > *

> > > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the

> > > alleged

> > > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in

> > > the

> > > whole MJ's career.

> > >

> > > My two bits towards the discussion.

> > >

> > > Paul Paral

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Anil

> >

>

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

 

>>> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can.<<<

 

Your very welcome!

 

>>> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left messages

on your answering machine...did you get them?<<<

 

No, unfortunately, I have not. However, I am in good spirits resting at home

after a complicated month of health issues and multiple trips in and out of the

hospital. Mainly, it is my heart acting up something awful. I sleep more than

awake these last weeks. The fatigue is really debilitating. I am seeing a

pancreatic specialist shortly for an endoscopic pancreatic biopsy with ultra

sound to rule out metastatic breast cancer to the pancreas or primary pancreatic

cancer. The mass was found earlier this month while ruling out cancer of the

lung and liver. Both the lung and liver will continue to be watched and the

lung retested in 3 to 6 months. The liver every month for it is showing end

stage steatohepatitis with fibrous cell proliferation at the main bile duct.

the doctors say they don't know how progressively fast the liver will continue

to deteriorate or turn cancerous. Each person is different.

 

I can't wait to get my heart fixed with pace maker and pulmonary ablation. I am

sure this is the culprit to my fatigue and compromised breathing along with

blacking out. Saturn transiting my 12th hse Leo (natural fifth - heat and

spine) will be over in September. So, I am counting the days!!!

 

Just the thought of having a good heart again thrills me to no end and keeps my

spirits up. If the pancreas is ruled out for cancer and only a type of cyst

then I can get my heart fixed before surgery on the pancreas which will be less

risky and traumatic.

 

In the the meantime, I am glad I have had this opportunity to contribute to JV

regarding information on Michael Jackson's chart.

It's a good distraction!!! If nothing else I watch more news while lounging so

I just happen to have all the times and such. The coverage here has been a

constant stream of everything Michael. Now one of the tabloids came out with the

exclusive one picture of Michael being intubated and CPR before being rushed to

UCLA. Gad, no privacy even in death.

 

Thank you again for your loving concern.

 

The best to you and everyone here at JV

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can.

>

> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left

> messages on your answering machine...did you get them?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> <muttaraphalguni

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:04 AM

> Re: Michael Jackson

>

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

>

> I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past

> weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to

> be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well

> wishes. I will write separately to each of you.

>

> In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his

> T.O.B. and death.

>

> I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this

> subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives

> but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was

> not part of that discussion.

>

> This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events.

> Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael

> Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT

> (13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at

> 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non

> responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting

> CPR while MJ was lying in bed.

>

> Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ

> alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse.

>

> Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not

> breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest

> percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to

> UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs

> of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially

> declared dead.

> Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT.

> (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his

> death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported

> his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT.

>

> From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were

> called.

>

> Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD

> 4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday

> morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and

> suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael

> Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months

> through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A

> dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ

> who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a

> multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company

> reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If

> it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is

> proven then the insurance company will not pay.

>

> The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5'

> 11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a

> genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10

> years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive

> rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions.

> He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple

> injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg

> surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain

> let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia.

>

> Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood

> and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a

> child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his

> career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not

> liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from

> the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with

> physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected

> through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever

> wanting to grow up.

>

> Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a

> tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it

> shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to

> more than 400million.

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

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Dear Uttara,

 

Thank you for the update! It's good to hear from you again...

 

I'll write some more on Michael's chart later today...have a few things

off-list to catch up on at the moment.

 

PS: It would be good to see some other's attempt at confirming Michael's

T.O.B.. There's enough data now to work with, surely.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

<muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:11 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

 

>>> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I

>>> can.<<<

 

Your very welcome!

 

>>> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left

>>> messages on your answering machine...did you get them?<<<

 

No, unfortunately, I have not. However, I am in good spirits resting at

home after a complicated month of health issues and multiple trips in and

out of the hospital. Mainly, it is my heart acting up something awful.

I sleep more than awake these last weeks. The fatigue is really

debilitating. I am seeing a pancreatic specialist shortly for an

endoscopic pancreatic biopsy with ultra sound to rule out metastatic

breast cancer to the pancreas or primary pancreatic cancer. The mass was

found earlier this month while ruling out cancer of the lung and liver.

Both the lung and liver will continue to be watched and the lung retested

in 3 to 6 months. The liver every month for it is showing end stage

steatohepatitis with fibrous cell proliferation at the main bile duct.

the doctors say they don't know how progressively fast the liver will

continue to deteriorate or turn cancerous. Each person is different.

 

I can't wait to get my heart fixed with pace maker and pulmonary

ablation. I am sure this is the culprit to my fatigue and compromised

breathing along with blacking out. Saturn transiting my 12th hse Leo

(natural fifth - heat and spine) will be over in September. So, I am

counting the days!!!

 

Just the thought of having a good heart again thrills me to no end and

keeps my spirits up. If the pancreas is ruled out for cancer and only a

type of cyst then I can get my heart fixed before surgery on the pancreas

which will be less risky and traumatic.

 

In the the meantime, I am glad I have had this opportunity to contribute

to JV regarding information on Michael Jackson's chart.

It's a good distraction!!! If nothing else I watch more news while

lounging so I just happen to have all the times and such. The coverage

here has been a constant stream of everything Michael. Now one of the

tabloids came out with the exclusive one picture of Michael being

intubated and CPR before being rushed to UCLA. Gad, no privacy even in

death.

 

Thank you again for your loving concern.

 

The best to you and everyone here at JV

 

As Always,

Uttara

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