Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Dear Sally... If you get it, please let me know. So far, I have printed out the 12 charts for that day, and hope to get some time to work on the project. Of course, it would be better to have the birth time. David Hawthorne - Sally Spencer SAMVA Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:52 PM Michael Jackson Hello Members, Does anyone have Michael Jackson's chart? I couldn't get it on astro.com . Thanks. Sally -- Sally SpencerEnlightened Living Serviceshttp://www.Devi3.byregion.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi Sally, Thanks for your insights. A few comments and a question from a novice: 1) You say Ve afflicts 4 & 9; you probably meant 3 & 9. 2) Also, you mentioned that Ke afflicts Ve. Perhaps not, since it is outside the 5 degree orb. 3) I do not understand the point you were trying to make about final dispositor. What is the SA significance of that? Thanks, John SAMVA , Sally Spencer <sally234@e...> wrote: > Hello All, > > He was in a Rahu subperiod from age 10-12. The start of puberty..in > Rahu said by the Professor, gives unusual sexual leanings. Rahu resides > in the third house in the navamsa; house of younger siblings. > In the happiness or dreshkana chart it resides in the fifth house of > children. > In the dasamsa or great success chart it resides in the eighth of scandals. > In the trimsamsa for misfortunes it is in the eleventh of gains > (non SA) His avayogi or penury karaka is Venus, the bhukti lord of Aug > 06. His wealth will be depleted towards legal costs. Sixth lord Venus > afflicts the fourth and ninth as well. > > Sally > -- > Sally Spencer > Enlightened Living Services > http://www.Devi3.byregion.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Sally, Thank you for the data on Michael Jackson. What ascendant do you get? I came up with 20:55 Taurus. This chart doesn't look quite right to me, but I don't want to dig into the analysis until I make sure I have the correct chart. I used August 29, 1958 at 2343 (+5:00 DST), 41N36, 87W21. Thanks. Lew Jones On Feb 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Sally Spencer wrote: > Hello Members, David, > > I found the Michael Jackson chart on google. August 29, 1958; 11:43 > pm; Gary, IN > > He is having a nodal return on opposite poles. Eleventh and fifth > house of children. > > He's in a double benefic planetary period. The major lord, Mercury > is combust not closely however. But it is afflicted closely by Ketu. > Mercury does rule young boys..it's in the fifth sign of the zodiac of > children. > > He started his life in an eighth lord period which resides in the > sixth house, double karaka for father. The dispositor is Venus. > Venus is afflicted by Ketu closely. It's interesting, Ketu aflicts by > four degrees and this trial is in his fortieth decade as per the > Professor's decade rule. > Venus sixth lord is on third mep (Gemini house also younger siblings); > love relations and conflict. The final dispositor is in the seventh > house of pleasures. > > Will his status save him, Saturn tenth lord on 7mep. He's in a Saturn > bhukti. Trouble is 2006 is a Ketu period and Ketu afflicts Venus, > lord of sixth house. If he were in jail you'd think it would be > twelfth lord. His twelfth lord is in the twelfth! > This is all so far... > > > Aloha, > > Sally > Principal dates in the life of Michael Jackson > > > > SANTA MARTA, California, Jan 27 (AFP) - Below are the principal dates > in the life of pop star Michael Jackson, 46, due to appear on trial > next Monday on child molestation charges. > > > > - August 29, 1958: born in Gary, Indiana > > - August 1962: singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five > > - March 1969: first Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's > black-owned record label Michael's voice propels the group onto the > hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There " > > - 1970: launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five > > - August 1980: release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy > Jones, which sold 11 million copies > > - December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits > included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million > copies worldwide > > - 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad > > - 1985: Buys ATV Musci -- a company with rights to John Lennon and > Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars > > - 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight > against hunger in Africa > > - 1987: release of " Bad, " which sold 26 millions copies and marked the > end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones > > - 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out > > - 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical > mask in public > > - 1992: release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies > > - August 1993: a father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old > son, but settles out of court > > - May 1994-February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of > Elvis > > - June 1995: release of " HIStory " album > > - November 1996-October 1999: marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old > nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael > Katherine > > - October 2001: release of " Invincible " > > - July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists, > especially African-Americans > > - November 19, 2002: scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, > nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony > > - January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of > 1.7 million dollars for two paintings > > - February 3: in documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast > on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have > shared his bed > > - February: singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for > back salary, which was settled out of court in June > > - November 18: police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as > " Number Ones " album is released > > - November 19: warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts > of child molestation > > - November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering > to police, held briefly then released on bail > > - December 18: he is formally charged with child molestation > > - January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first > appearance amid a media circus > > - January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson is due to go on trial > > > > > > Copyright Political Gateway and Agence France-Presse, 2005© AFP2004 > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Sally, Please disregard my previous email. I now see that you provided the Michael Jackson chart at the bottom of your email. And the ascendant is 20:55 Taurus. Thanks again. Lew Jones On Feb 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Sally Spencer wrote: > Hello Members, David, > > I found the Michael Jackson chart on google. August 29, 1958; 11:43 > pm; Gary, IN > > He is having a nodal return on opposite poles. Eleventh and fifth > house of children. > > He's in a double benefic planetary period. The major lord, Mercury > is combust not closely however. But it is afflicted closely by Ketu. > Mercury does rule young boys..it's in the fifth sign of the zodiac of > children. > > He started his life in an eighth lord period which resides in the > sixth house, double karaka for father. The dispositor is Venus. > Venus is afflicted by Ketu closely. It's interesting, Ketu aflicts by > four degrees and this trial is in his fortieth decade as per the > Professor's decade rule. > Venus sixth lord is on third mep (Gemini house also younger siblings); > love relations and conflict. The final dispositor is in the seventh > house of pleasures. > > Will his status save him, Saturn tenth lord on 7mep. He's in a Saturn > bhukti. Trouble is 2006 is a Ketu period and Ketu afflicts Venus, > lord of sixth house. If he were in jail you'd think it would be > twelfth lord. His twelfth lord is in the twelfth! > This is all so far... > > > Aloha, > > Sally > Principal dates in the life of Michael Jackson > > > > SANTA MARTA, California, Jan 27 (AFP) - Below are the principal dates > in the life of pop star Michael Jackson, 46, due to appear on trial > next Monday on child molestation charges. > > > > - August 29, 1958: born in Gary, Indiana > > - August 1962: singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five > > - March 1969: first Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's > black-owned record label Michael's voice propels the group onto the > hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There " > > - 1970: launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five > > - August 1980: release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy > Jones, which sold 11 million copies > > - December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits > included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million > copies worldwide > > - 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad > > - 1985: Buys ATV Musci -- a company with rights to John Lennon and > Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars > > - 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight > against hunger in Africa > > - 1987: release of " Bad, " which sold 26 millions copies and marked the > end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones > > - 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out > > - 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical > mask in public > > - 1992: release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies > > - August 1993: a father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old > son, but settles out of court > > - May 1994-February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of > Elvis > > - June 1995: release of " HIStory " album > > - November 1996-October 1999: marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old > nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael > Katherine > > - October 2001: release of " Invincible " > > - July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists, > especially African-Americans > > - November 19, 2002: scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, > nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony > > - January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of > 1.7 million dollars for two paintings > > - February 3: in documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast > on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have > shared his bed > > - February: singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for > back salary, which was settled out of court in June > > - November 18: police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as > " Number Ones " album is released > > - November 19: warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts > of child molestation > > - November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering > to police, held briefly then released on bail > > - December 18: he is formally charged with child molestation > > - January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first > appearance amid a media circus > > - January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson is due to go on trial > > > > > > Copyright Political Gateway and Agence France-Presse, 2005© AFP2004 > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi, Welcome. Not sure if SA recognized final dispositor, but the influence is there as each dispositor leaves it's mark. You're right it is slightly outside five degree mark. However it is transit afflicting it right now, shows the trial date at least. And yes, third house, fourth sign. Aloha, Sally johnm92008 wrote: Hi Sally, Thanks for your insights. A few comments and a question from a novice: 1) You say Ve afflicts 4 & 9; you probably meant 3 & 9. 2) Also, you mentioned that Ke afflicts Ve. Perhaps not, since it is outside the 5 degree orb. 3) I do not understand the point you were trying to make about final dispositor. What is the SA significance of that? Thanks, John SAMVA , Sally Spencer <sally234@e...> wrote: > Hello All, > > He was in a Rahu subperiod from age 10-12. The start of puberty..in > Rahu said by the Professor, gives unusual sexual leanings. Rahu resides > in the third house in the navamsa; house of younger siblings. > In the happiness or dreshkana chart it resides in the fifth house of > children. > In the dasamsa or great success chart it resides in the eighth of scandals. > In the trimsamsa for misfortunes it is in the eleventh of gains > (non SA) His avayogi or penury karaka is Venus, the bhukti lord of Aug > 06. His wealth will be depleted towards legal costs. Sixth lord Venus > afflicts the fourth and ninth as well. > > Sally > -- > Sally Spencer > Enlightened Living Services > http://www.Devi3.byregion.net -- signature Sally Spencer Enlightened Living Services http://www.Devi3.byregion.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Hello,  You can find in astro.com:  http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jackson%2C_Michael_%281958%29  Regards  Bhanu (AstroOpenSource) Visit: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpmuhurat for Free Open source KP Muhurat software    On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 26 June 2009  Dear all  Can anybody please give me the birth and death details of Michael Joseph Jackson?  Thanks  Ravinder GRover -- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat.sourceforge.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Hi, has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and antardasa of Jupiter. For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Dear Neena, Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of Jackson’s horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself. Subsequent to that, a biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late; the actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had occasion to meet. " The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the whole MJ's career. My two bits towards the discussion. Paul Paral http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 Regards, Anil On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: Hi,has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and antardasa of Jupiter.For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. Regards,Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Dear Paul, Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how I originally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I had more time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later than mine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc, etc.. Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dear Neena, Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of *Jackson’s horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had occasion to meet. " * The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the whole MJ's career. My two bits towards the discussion. Paul Paral http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 Regards, Anil On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? > > His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any > self > destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain > killers. > > I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. > > According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and > antardasa of Jupiter. > > For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. > > Regards, > Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Wendiji, It is not Paul. I had gone through one of the site (link attached) where paul as given his comments on his birth time of MJ. Time of death is unknown but one of the new channels say that an unidentified man called a 911 emergency phone line from the mansion at 12:21 p.m. local time, saying Jackson was unconscious and not breathing. Regards, Anil Ronald Regards, Anil Ronald On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Paul,Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how Ioriginally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I hadmore time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later thanmine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc,etc..Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death.Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald<jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PMRe: Michael JacksonDear Neena,Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at anotherforum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, anastrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ.Thisis what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have takeninterest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because thetiming of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of*Jackson’shoroscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initiallygiven a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that,abiography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initialrectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* theactual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I hadoccasion to meet. " *The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about theallegedpedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in thewhole MJ's career. My two bits towards the discussion.Paul Paralhttp://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 Regards,AnilOn Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote:> Hi,>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? >> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any> self> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain> killers.>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and> antardasa of Jupiter.>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. >> Regards,> Neena--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Hello Anil, There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant. Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the ascendant. Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in the 12H. Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer. I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment). Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant. Ron ANIL CORDA wrote: > Dear Neena, > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken > interest in Jackson’s concerns because I am a musician and because the > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > *Jackson’s > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, > Indiana) for Noel Tyl’s book, “Astrology Of The Famed.” I was initially > given a time of “after 10:30 PM” by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had > occasion to meet. " > * > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the > whole MJ's career. > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > Paul Paral > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > Regards, > > Anil > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, >> >> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? >> >> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self >> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. >> >> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and >> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. >> >> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and >> antardasa of Jupiter. >> >> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. >> >> Regards, >> Neena >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 - Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on one of the internet sites. I will now try and study his chart with the new timing. It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life events are common knowledge. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > *Jackson's > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had > occasion to meet. " > * > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the > whole MJ's career. > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > Paul Paral > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > Regards, > > Anil > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? > > > > His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self > > destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. > > > > I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and > > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. > > > > According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and > > antardasa of Jupiter. > > > > For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. > > > > Regards, > > Neena > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 - Ron, With 11-53 a.m.time I am getting Scorpio lagna and not Libra. Could you check again? Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar wrote: > > Hello Anil, > > There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant. > Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the > ascendant. > Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in > the 12H. > > Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer. > > > I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely > 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular > and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment). > > Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with > the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant. > > > Ron > > > > > ANIL CORDA wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another > > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This > > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken > > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > > *Jackson's > > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, > > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a > > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it > > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had > > occasion to meet. " > > * > > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged > > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the > > whole MJ's career. > > > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > > > Paul Paral > > > > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anil > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? > >> > >> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self > >> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. > >> > >> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and > >> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. > >> > >> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and > >> antardasa of Jupiter. > >> > >> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Neena > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 - Dear Wendy, Astrodatabank gives the time of birth as 12-00 noon. Is this because they may not have the correct time? Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Paul, > > Yes, that's closer to the time I have (23:45). I'm not sure how I > originally came up with that time now...it was some years ago. But when > Neena presented a time of 10:00AM I decided to leave it alone until I had > more time to spend on it. Your time of 23:53 is just 8 mins later than > mine and certainly seems feasible with lagna lord Venus in 3rd whilst 3rd > lord Moon occupies 10th...Moon alone in 10th denotes lasting fame, etc, > etc.. > > Do you (or anyone) have an official time of death. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, June 29, 2009 12:16 PM > Re: Michael Jackson > > > Dear Neena, > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at > another > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. > This > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have > taken > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > *Jackson's > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, > a > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I > had > occasion to meet. " > * > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the > alleged > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the > whole MJ's career. > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > Paul Paral > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > Regards, > > Anil > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? > > > > His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any > > self > > destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain > > killers. > > > > I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and > > t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. > > > > According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and > > antardasa of Jupiter. > > > > For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. > > > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Neena, Yes, when T.O.B. is not known a chart is normally drawn for 12:00 Noon. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " neenako " <neena-k <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 29, 2009 4:06 PM Re: Michael Jackson - Dear Wendy, Astrodatabank gives the time of birth as 12-00 noon. Is this because they may not have the correct time? Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Neena and All, I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it. First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of death has also confirmed what we would expect. At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning, in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of prescription drugs contributing to his death. There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking forward to other's comments on this chart. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " neenako " <neena-k <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM Re: Michael Jackson - Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on one of the internet sites. I will now try and study his chart with the new timing. It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life events are common knowledge. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at > another > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. > This > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have > taken > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > *Jackson's > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, > Gary, > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to > that, a > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which > it > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom > I had > occasion to meet. " > * > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the > alleged > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in > the > whole MJ's career. > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > Paul Paral > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > Regards, > > Anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM Fwd: Michael Jackson Dear Wendy I had posted this msg to Uttara for cleareance before posting in grp got no reply so am sending it to u Thanks prashant Dear Members the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money for relief anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the chart for discussion my attempt at it ----------------------- I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or wrong. if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data , events for time of birth missing ppl. but like Obama he has a long ish face a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra a celebrity, humaiterian and also a controversial one with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra for Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right, I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and worked backwards Prashant *Some events in his life* August 29, 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana. August 1962: Singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five. March 1969: First Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label. Michael's voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There " . 1970: Launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five. August 1979: Release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies. December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million copies worldwide. 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad. 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars. 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in Africa. 1987: Release of " Bad, " which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones. 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out. 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/ 1992: Release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/ August 1993: A father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of court/ May 1994: February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/ June 1995: Release of " History " album/ November 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine .. October 2001: Release of " Invincible " . July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists, especially African-Americans. November 19, 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony. January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two paintings. February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have shared his bed. February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for back salary, which is settled out of court in June. November 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones " album is released. November 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child molestation. November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to police, held briefly then released on bail. December 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation. January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus. January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson trial begins with jury selection. February 28, 2005: Opening arguments begin in trial. June 4, 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict. June 13, 2005: Jackson acquitted on all charges against him. March 5, 2009: Jackson announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final curtain " -- his first major shows for more than a decade. May 20, 2009: Jackson delays comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " . June 25, 2009: Jackson dies in Los Angeles. G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy and All, I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well wishes. I will write separately to each of you. In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his T.O.B. and death. I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was not part of that discussion. This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events. Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT (13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting CPR while MJ was lying in bed. Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse. Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially declared dead. Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT. (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT. From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were called. Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD 4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is proven then the insurance company will not pay. The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' 11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions. He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia. Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever wanting to grow up. Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to more than 400million. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Neena and All, > > I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of > death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone > has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it. > > First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I > could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life > of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of > death has also confirmed what we would expect. > > At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu > had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of > death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the > cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning, > in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of > prescription drugs contributing to his death. > > There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life > and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so > much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking > forward to other's comments on this chart. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " neenako " <neena-k > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM > Re: Michael Jackson > > > - > Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on > one of the internet sites. > > I will now try and study his chart with the new timing. > It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life > events are common knowledge. > > Regards, > > Neena > > > -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald@> wrote: > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at > > another > > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. > > This > > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have > > taken > > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > > *Jackson's > > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, > > Gary, > > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to > > that, a > > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which > > it > > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom > > I had > > occasion to meet. " > > * > > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the > > alleged > > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in > > the > > whole MJ's career. > > > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > > > Paul Paral > > > > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Prashant, Unfortunately, I did not receive your attempt to email me. No harm done though :-) As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > - > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar > " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya > Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM > Fwd: Michael Jackson > > > Dear Wendy > > I had posted this msg to Uttara for cleareance before posting in grp got > no > reply so am sending it to u > > Thanks > > prashant > > > Dear Members > > the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of > instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's > > a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the > AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human > being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money > for > relief > > anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the > chart for discussion > > > my attempt at it > ----------------------- > I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death > again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to > relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or > wrong. > if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data , > events for time of birth missing ppl. > but like Obama he has a long ish face > a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra > a celebrity, humaiterian > and also a controversial one > with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra > for > Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right, > > I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and > worked backwards > > > > > Prashant > *Some events in his life* > > August 29, > 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana. > > August 1962: Singing debut > with his brothers, The Jackson Five. > > March 1969: First Jackson > Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label. > Michael's > voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be > There " . > > 1970: Launch of solo > career alongside that of the Jackson Five. > > August 1979: Release of " Off > The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies. > > December 1982: release of > " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " > pushing > sales to 50 million copies worldwide. > > 1984: Jackson's face gets > burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad. > > 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a > company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 > million > dollars. > > 1985: Jackson > writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in > Africa. > > 1987: Release of " Bad, " > which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with > Quincy > Jones. > > 1988: His > autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out. > > 1990: Michael Jackson is > seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/ > > 1992: Release of > " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/ > > August 1993: A father > accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of > court/ > > May 1994: February 1996: > marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/ > > June 1995: Release of > " History " album/ > > November > 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom > he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine > . > October 2001: Release of > " Invincible " . > > July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists, > especially > African-Americans. > > November 19, > 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince > Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony. > > January 31, 2003: Sotheby's > auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two > paintings. > > > February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on > ITV, > Jackson claims never to have > abused a child, merely to have shared his bed. > > February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for > back > salary, which is settled out > of court in June. > > November > 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones " > album is released. > > November > 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child > molestation. > > November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to > police, held briefly > then released on bail. > > December > 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation. > > January 16, 2004: Jackson > pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus. > > January 31, 2005: Michael > Jackson trial begins with jury selection. > > February 28, 2005: Opening > arguments begin in trial. > > June 4, > 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict. > > June 13, 2005: Jackson > acquitted on all charges against him. > > March 5, 2009: Jackson > announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final > curtain " > -- his first major shows for more than a decade. > > May 20, 2009: Jackson delays > comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " . > > June 25, 2009: Jackson dies > in Los Angeles. > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Prashant, ///but like Obama he has a long ish face/// To be able to judge anything according to facial features I think we would have to consider how he looked before surgery. ///with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra for Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,/// According to my calculations Jupiter occupies Libra whilst Rahu occupies Virgo? ///I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and worked backwards/// His time of death was reported as 14:26? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM Fwd: Michael Jackson Dear Members the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money for relief anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the chart for discussion my attempt at it ----------------------- I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit to relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right or wrong. if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data , events for time of birth missing ppl. but like Obama he has a long ish face a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra a celebrity, humaiterian and also a controversial one with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra for Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right, I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and worked backwards Prashant *Some events in his life* August 29, 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana. August 1962: Singing debut with his brothers, The Jackson Five. March 1969: First Jackson Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label. Michael's voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be There " . 1970: Launch of solo career alongside that of the Jackson Five. August 1979: Release of " Off The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies. December 1982: release of " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, " pushing sales to 50 million copies worldwide. 1984: Jackson's face gets burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad. 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5 million dollars. 1985: Jackson writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in Africa. 1987: Release of " Bad, " which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with Quincy Jones. 1988: His autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out. 1990: Michael Jackson is seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/ 1992: Release of " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/ August 1993: A father accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of court/ May 1994: February 1996: marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/ June 1995: Release of " History " album/ November 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with whom he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine .. October 2001: Release of " Invincible " . July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists, especially African-Americans. November 19, 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony. January 31, 2003: Sotheby's auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two paintings. February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on ITV, Jackson claims never to have abused a child, merely to have shared his bed. February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for back salary, which is settled out of court in June. November 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones " album is released. November 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child molestation. November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to police, held briefly then released on bail. December 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation. January 16, 2004: Jackson pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus. January 31, 2005: Michael Jackson trial begins with jury selection. February 28, 2005: Opening arguments begin in trial. June 4, 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict. June 13, 2005: Jackson acquitted on all charges against him. March 5, 2009: Jackson announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final curtain " -- his first major shows for more than a decade. May 20, 2009: Jackson delays comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " . June 25, 2009: Jackson dies in Los Angeles. G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Uttara, Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can. I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left messages on your answering machine...did you get them? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:04 AM Re: Michael Jackson Dear Mrs Wendy and All, I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well wishes. I will write separately to each of you. In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his T.O.B. and death. I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was not part of that discussion. This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events. Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT (13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting CPR while MJ was lying in bed. Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse. Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially declared dead. Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT. (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT. From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were called. Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD 4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is proven then the insurance company will not pay. The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' 11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions. He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia. Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever wanting to grow up. Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to more than 400million. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Hello Neena, CDT +5 should give Libra Asc Ron neenako wrote: > - > Ron, > > With 11-53 a.m.time I am getting Scorpio lagna and not Libra. > > Could you check again? > > Regards, > Neena > -- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar wrote: >> Hello Anil, >> >> There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant. >> Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the >> ascendant. >> Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in >> the 12H. >> >> Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer. >> >> >> I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely >> 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular >> and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment). >> >> Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with >> the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant. >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> >> ANIL CORDA wrote: >>> Dear Neena, >>> >>> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) >>> >>> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at another >>> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an >>> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This >>> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have taken >>> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the >>> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of >>> *Jackson's >>> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary, >>> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially >>> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that, a >>> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it >>> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial >>> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the >>> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I had >>> occasion to meet. " >>> * >>> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged >>> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the >>> whole MJ's career. >>> >>> My two bits towards the discussion. >>> >>> Paul Paral >>> >>> >>> http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Anil >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart? >>>> >>>> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self >>>> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain killers. >>>> >>>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and >>>> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m. >>>> >>>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and >>>> antardasa of Jupiter. >>>> >>>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Neena >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Group //...Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it...// Should read: Fox news reported on June 25, 2009 at 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT) that it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. And would report back once they had further information. //....At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT.....// Should read: At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA USA and arrived at 13:14 PDT. Hope this clears any confusion. Also, as I pray for Michael Jackson's soul to rest in peace. I would like to take note that as astrologers going over someone's chart in detail - almost like a personal reading - it is done and only done here at JV as a study chart for students and learned members. Mainly because the person has expired as with Michael Jackson or one that has been dead for sometime; the study of their chart in detail does not cause any conscious harm or lack of empathy to the person we are evaluating. Nor do we run the risk of evaluating incorrectly and in essence provoke negative consequences to a person that we don't know in a client/patient counselor relationship where a person has sought us out to work with them on a one on one intimate basis of their life's ups and downs; their dharma, karma and enlightenmnet. Here with Michael Jackson's chart we have the liberty to assess, evaluate, speculate probabilities through trial and error,learning and/or cementing Parasara principals and techniques; his chart based on what we know of his life events against a birth and death time that is variable. The chart then becomes like a post mortum examination of a person's life and timing, and character with all its qualities and flaws. This is what makes the difference in one seeking personal readings or predictions from a public forum which is frowned upon here at JV. Rather, JV encourages students and learned members to ask questions about their charts on a particular stumbling block from astrological knowledge to give better insight or connecting the dots (so to speak) of Parashara techniques and its results. This is how we learn and become more self aware. Also of note. Michael Jackson's last years of life and death are similar to Anna Nicole Smith who died of an overdose of medication February 8th, 2007. Also,Elvis Presley of August 17th 1977; Marilyn Monroe of 1966/67 and although reported to have committed suicide, Judy Garland, who was by her entourage of the Movie house productions on uppers and downers and sleeping pills since she was a child. Ms Garland was famous for her singing and her childhood role as Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " muttaraphalguni " <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Mrs Wendy and All, > > I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well wishes. I will write separately to each of you. > > In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his T.O.B. and death. > > I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was not part of that discussion. > > This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events. > Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT (13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting CPR while MJ was lying in bed. > > Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse. > > Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially declared dead. > Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT. > (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT. > > From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were called. > > Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD 4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is proven then the insurance company will not pay. > > The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' 11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions. > He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia. > > Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever wanting to grow up. > > Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to more than 400million. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Neena and All, > > > > I've just spent a great deal of time searching for the official time of > > death for Michael and finally come up with 25th June (14:26). If anyone > > has more information I'd be grateful if they could post it. > > > > First, I've looked at the Taurus chart (23:53) very carefully to see if I > > could recognise Michael here, and, yes! it does reflect the unique life > > of this amazing person, in so many ways! Casting a chart for the time of > > death has also confirmed what we would expect. > > > > At the time of death Michael was running dasa of KE-RA-ME. Dasa lord Ketu > > had been transiting lagnesh Venus in 3rd for some time and, on the day of > > death, Ketu was joined by 3rd lord Moon. As we know 3rd indicates the > > cause of (our own) death and Ketu is a significator of poison...meaning, > > in this instance of course, a (possible) poisonous cocktail of > > prescription drugs contributing to his death. > > > > There's so much more to see in these two charts in regards to his life > > and his death, but unfortunately, I've ran out of time (having spent so > > much time searching for data). Hope to get back to this later and looking > > forward to other's comments on this chart. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " neenako " <neena-k@> > > <jyotish-vidya > > > Monday, June 29, 2009 3:52 PM > > Re: Michael Jackson > > > > > > - > > Thanks, for the rectified birth time. The 10.00 a.m. time was given on > > one of the internet sites. > > > > I will now try and study his chart with the new timing. > > It should be a revealing study in astrology as with celebrities main life > > events are common knowledge. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neena > > > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya , ANIL CORDA <korda.ronald@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > > > Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link) > > > > > > If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at > > > another > > > forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an > > > astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. > > > This > > > is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have > > > taken > > > interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the > > > timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of > > > *Jackson's > > > horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, > > > Gary, > > > Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially > > > given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to > > > that, a > > > biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which > > > it > > > was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial > > > rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the > > > actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom > > > I had > > > occasion to meet. " > > > * > > > The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the > > > alleged > > > pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in > > > the > > > whole MJ's career. > > > > > > My two bits towards the discussion. > > > > > > Paul Paral > > > > > > > > > http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \ start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9 > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, >>> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can.<<< Your very welcome! >>> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left messages on your answering machine...did you get them?<<< No, unfortunately, I have not. However, I am in good spirits resting at home after a complicated month of health issues and multiple trips in and out of the hospital. Mainly, it is my heart acting up something awful. I sleep more than awake these last weeks. The fatigue is really debilitating. I am seeing a pancreatic specialist shortly for an endoscopic pancreatic biopsy with ultra sound to rule out metastatic breast cancer to the pancreas or primary pancreatic cancer. The mass was found earlier this month while ruling out cancer of the lung and liver. Both the lung and liver will continue to be watched and the lung retested in 3 to 6 months. The liver every month for it is showing end stage steatohepatitis with fibrous cell proliferation at the main bile duct. the doctors say they don't know how progressively fast the liver will continue to deteriorate or turn cancerous. Each person is different. I can't wait to get my heart fixed with pace maker and pulmonary ablation. I am sure this is the culprit to my fatigue and compromised breathing along with blacking out. Saturn transiting my 12th hse Leo (natural fifth - heat and spine) will be over in September. So, I am counting the days!!! Just the thought of having a good heart again thrills me to no end and keeps my spirits up. If the pancreas is ruled out for cancer and only a type of cyst then I can get my heart fixed before surgery on the pancreas which will be less risky and traumatic. In the the meantime, I am glad I have had this opportunity to contribute to JV regarding information on Michael Jackson's chart. It's a good distraction!!! If nothing else I watch more news while lounging so I just happen to have all the times and such. The coverage here has been a constant stream of everything Michael. Now one of the tabloids came out with the exclusive one picture of Michael being intubated and CPR before being rushed to UCLA. Gad, no privacy even in death. Thank you again for your loving concern. The best to you and everyone here at JV As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I can. > > I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left > messages on your answering machine...did you get them? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya > > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:04 AM > Re: Michael Jackson > > > Dear Mrs Wendy and All, > > I am here briefly as health matters have consumed most of these past > weeks. What was suppose to be a few days away from JV has turned out to > be a month now. My sincere thanks to all who have sent their well > wishes. I will write separately to each of you. > > In the meantime, we have a topic here regarding Michael Jackson; his > T.O.B. and death. > > I believe sometime in 2003/4 maybe 5 when MJ was on trial that this > subject came up regarding his birth time. I haven't checked the archives > but I believe Taurus was eventually settled as his ASC. However, I was > not part of that discussion. > > This is what I can offer from my knowledge of last week's events. > Fox News reported 15:16 EDT (12:16 PDT)that it appeared that Michael > Jackson had a cardiac arrest but they could not confirm it. At 16:12 EDT > (13:12 PDT) it was confrmed and reported that paramedics were called at > 12:21 PDT. The 9ll call states tht MJ was not breathing and was non > responsive. His private doctor who was living with him was attempting > CPR while MJ was lying in bed. > > Later the doctor told police that shortly after Noon PDT he found MJ > alive but fading fast as he was unresponsive and hardly a pulse. > > Paramedics arrived at 12:27 PDT and found MJ unresponsive and not > breathing. They intubated him to pump air through a bag while chest > percussions were done. To No Avail. At 13:00 PDT MJ was transported to > UCLA medical center and arrived at 1:14 PDT. Michael was showing no signs > of life. The hospital worked on him until 14:26 when he was officially > declared dead. > Fox News reported his confrmed death to the TV audience at 17:30 EDT. > (14:30 PDT). Hospital officials held a new conference announcing his > death publicly sometime after 17:00 PDT. The cornoner office transported > his body to the county morgue by helicoptor sometime after 20:00 PDT. > > From my perspective MJ died shortly before 12:21 PDT when paramedics were > called. > > Out of four possibilities for death 1.natural causes 2.suicide 3.drug OD > 4.murder, it is now beleived after two autopsies (LA county on Friday > morning and a Private one Saturday morning) that natural causes and > suicide have been ruled out. There is high speculation that Michael > Jackson was murdered by his entourage of people over a period of months > through uncontrolled drugs given through injections and pill form. A > dead MJ would be to his promoters a profitable one whereas a ailing MJ > who could not meet his promotors 50 concerts shceduled would be a > multimillion dollar loss. the question now is will the insurance company > reimburse ticket holders and promoters because of an acciental death? If > it is proven that manslaughter by group entourage and negligence is > proven then the insurance company will not pay. > > The coronor said that at the time of death MJ weighed 110 lbs on his 5' > 11 " body frame. It has also been known for quite sometime that MJ had a > genetic lung disease that has compromised his singing these last 10 > years. It is also known that MJ often collapsed during extensive > rehearsals and has had to be hospitalized on a number of occasions. > He also suffered from a vertrabra fracture in his back and multiple > injuries to his body from mishaps on stag including more than two leg > surgeries. Obviously the man was in a terrific amount of physical pain > let alone his breathing being compromised and his anorxia. > > Also the psychological pain Michael carried from a very abusive childhood > and going through the trials in 2005 regarding sexual abuse toward a > child which even though he was found innocent of all charges ruined his > career and killed his soul. His facial changes proves the pain of not > liking what he saw in the mirror convinced that he was not worthy from > the psychological abuse that he suffered by his father along with > physical abuse. Also his repressed emotional childhood that he projected > through his Neverland Estate and feeling his was Peter Pan not ever > wanting to grow up. > > Here we have a tortured soul. A Musical entertainer genius but a > tormented soul. Also, if one were to look at his Venus in Cancer/Mo it > shows his emotions and afeminate ways. At his death he was in debt to > more than 400million. > > As Always, > > Uttara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dear Uttara, Thank you for the update! It's good to hear from you again... I'll write some more on Michael's chart later today...have a few things off-list to catch up on at the moment. PS: It would be good to see some other's attempt at confirming Michael's T.O.B.. There's enough data now to work with, surely. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:11 PM Re: Michael Jackson Dear Mrs. Wendy, >>> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I >>> can.<<< Your very welcome! >>> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left >>> messages on your answering machine...did you get them?<<< No, unfortunately, I have not. However, I am in good spirits resting at home after a complicated month of health issues and multiple trips in and out of the hospital. Mainly, it is my heart acting up something awful. I sleep more than awake these last weeks. The fatigue is really debilitating. I am seeing a pancreatic specialist shortly for an endoscopic pancreatic biopsy with ultra sound to rule out metastatic breast cancer to the pancreas or primary pancreatic cancer. The mass was found earlier this month while ruling out cancer of the lung and liver. Both the lung and liver will continue to be watched and the lung retested in 3 to 6 months. The liver every month for it is showing end stage steatohepatitis with fibrous cell proliferation at the main bile duct. the doctors say they don't know how progressively fast the liver will continue to deteriorate or turn cancerous. Each person is different. I can't wait to get my heart fixed with pace maker and pulmonary ablation. I am sure this is the culprit to my fatigue and compromised breathing along with blacking out. Saturn transiting my 12th hse Leo (natural fifth - heat and spine) will be over in September. So, I am counting the days!!! Just the thought of having a good heart again thrills me to no end and keeps my spirits up. If the pancreas is ruled out for cancer and only a type of cyst then I can get my heart fixed before surgery on the pancreas which will be less risky and traumatic. In the the meantime, I am glad I have had this opportunity to contribute to JV regarding information on Michael Jackson's chart. It's a good distraction!!! If nothing else I watch more news while lounging so I just happen to have all the times and such. The coverage here has been a constant stream of everything Michael. Now one of the tabloids came out with the exclusive one picture of Michael being intubated and CPR before being rushed to UCLA. Gad, no privacy even in death. Thank you again for your loving concern. The best to you and everyone here at JV As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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