Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy and Uday, Namaste and thanks for the reply and interesting / valuable references. Continuing our discussion on Kala sarp yoga, just for a bit longer, I wanted to add the following ... for your further thoughts: 1) Pt. Shri Puneet Bhardwaj has an excellent discussion on his website (see link on KSY towards top right) called www.vedicscholar.com. 2) I have not studied the classics in any great detail and will defer to Wendy ji for her reference to the same, however one great authority (who was a contemporary of Dr. Raman) is Shri Bepin Behari, and in his book Advanced predictive techniques he dedicates a full chapter to KSY (titled: Kal Sarp yoga, restriction over human potential). Therein, he gives charts of a few famous historical figures, with this sinister yoga. In particular he speaks of Abraham Lincoln (see details and quotes below). I don't know if this will meet the requirements of a challenger, but have a look and please let me know! ;-) 3) I found that several well known sources that are published in India, such as the ephemeris, called panchangs or jantris, make reference to KSY. One in particular called 'Sri Gita panchang jantri' (published Sri Krishna Jyotish bhavan) details the 12 variants of KSY on p132. ----- Although, these are all contemporary references and this may in fact be a 'trumped up' yoga, as suggested, there is something to be said for the following analysis that comes from Behari: " In the horoscope it will be indicated by the individual having the affliction of 'Kala Sarpa Yoga' ... capabilities, talents and meritorious deeds which rightfully belong to him, are suspended for the time being, and he is decreed to undergo certain experiences in a particular birth for certain special purpose. This configuration does not necessarily imply a combination for poverty, ill- luck, bad health, theft, abandonment from relations or dishonour and other such circumstances of which people in general are afraid. It only implies that the individual's life is earmarked for certain special purpose, while keeping his other qualities and capabilities in store for their fructification at a subsequent period of natural growth. As a result of this situation, it is possible that the individual may feel exasperated, finding that his natural share in affluence or evolutionary gifts is not made available to him, and is denied to him.... The problems of his marital pain, the problems of collective management and administrative inexperience or in fact, every problem that President Lincoln encountered in his life was there as part of his karmic birth, but the presence of Kala Sarpa Yoga transcended all these personal problems to enable him to discharge the special responsibilities entrusted to him. For this he bore the cross of his personal life happily or unhappily, as his physical and psychological constitution permitted.... This characteristic along with the house-divisions at which the Nodes are placed will determine the special features of its (ie. KSY's) operation, but its basic disposition of putting in abeyance the personal predilections of the individual remains in all case the vital basic point. In many cases, when the purpose is consciously registered, there is a streak of martyrdom in the person arising as a result of this combination." ------------------------ I am still doubtful that there is such a thing as partial KSY, given that in my chart the Rahu-Ketu axis has planets on both sides, and although born under the same lagna as Lincoln, its not clear to me that there is any martyr or saint that is going to emerge from my soul. We'll see! Looking forward to your comments. regards, Sanjay --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyaRe: Re: kalsarp yogjyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 1:55 AM Dear Uday,Providing your chart is correct (Gemini rising 26:10:45) there is no KSP evident in your chart at all.Having said this I need to add that I find no credibility whatsoever in this modern (trumped-up) yoga. You will find no reference to KSY in any of the classics i.e., BPHS, Uttara Kalamrita, Phaladeepika, Jaimini Sutram etc, etc..In his book "Three Hundred Important Combinations" B.V.Raman notes that;*KSY is said to be formed if all the planets are situated between Rahu and Ketu. The results are that countries and rulers are destroyed and people become afflicted.Strictly speaking KSY does not find a place in the classical astrological literature. How this yoga gained currency and gathered a sinister meaning is not clear.*To the best of my knowledge the only yoga that applies to Rahu is by conjunction i.e., Rahu occupying a trikona in conjunction with a kendra lord, or occupying a kendra in conjunction with a trikona lord.I challenge anyone to present a chart with clear, undeniable evidence of the effect of this yoga in someone's life.Any challengers? ??Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______- "uday mishra" <udayk_mishra@ .co. in><jyotish-vidya>Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Re: kalsarp yogdear mrs. vendywill u tell me about me that am i rulling under kalsarp yog. my dob-19/11/1951. time-8.33 pm. place darbhanga ( bihar).uday kumar mishra, muzaffarpur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Sanjay, A very quick response here to your main points, for now...more later when time permits. ///1) Pt. Shri Puneet Bhardwaj has an excellent discussion on his website (see link on KSY towards top right) called./// I did take a quick look at the website and saw on the page 'About Us' that they employ a mix of traditional and modern methods which would explain the use of KSY etc.. I've noted that you've only recently joined Jyotish-Vidya and may not have read the welcome message on our group page which states quite clearly that permission is needed before posting links to conferences, courses, websites or other groups. When time permits perhaps you could read through the message and familiarise yourself with the basic rules of the group. ///2) I have not studied the classics in any great detail and will defer to Wendy ji for her reference to the same,/// We should first be thoroughly familiar with the classics (BPHS particularly) before moving on to modern authors. This discipline gives a strong foundation for further studies. ///however one great authority (who was a contemporary of Dr. Raman) is Shri Bepin Behari, and in his book Advanced predictive techniques he dedicates a full chapter to KSY (titled: Kal Sarp yoga, restriction over human potential). Therein, he gives charts of a few famous historical figures, with this sinister yoga./// I do have a couple of Bepin Behari's books gathering dust on my bookshelf which I have to say didn't make much of an impression...probably because we seem to look at things in a totally different way. ///3) I found that several well known sources that are published in India, such as the ephemeris, called panchangs or jantris, make reference to KSY. One in particular called 'Sri Gita panchang jantri' (published Sri Krishna Jyotish bhavan) details the 12 variants of KSY on p132./// It's perfectly understandable that modern ephemerides would provide data for modern concepts. Modern society also provides for what the modern culture demands...this doesn't imply that it's correct according to traditional values/culture. ///Although, these are all contemporary references and this may in fact be a 'trumped up' yoga, as suggested, there is something to be said for the following analysis that comes from Behari:/// I concede that 'trumped-up' was a bad choice of words. No doubt I could have conveyed my meaning in a less confrontationol manner.... I'll leave Behari for the time being as I am familiar with the concept of KSY. However, perhaps you can let me have the birth data for Abraham Lincoln so I can look at the chart myself. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Sanjay Khanduja " <skhanduja <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:07 PM Re: Lincoln Dear Mrs. Wendy and Uday, Namaste and thanks for the reply and interesting / valuable references. Continuing our discussion on Kala sarp yoga, just for a bit longer, I wanted to add the following ... for your further thoughts: 1) Pt. Shri Puneet Bhardwaj has an excellent discussion on his website (see link on KSY towards top right) called. 2) I have not studied the classics in any great detail and will defer to Wendy ji for her reference to the same, however one great authority (who was a contemporary of Dr. Raman) is Shri Bepin Behari, and in his book Advanced predictive techniques he dedicates a full chapter to KSY (titled: Kal Sarp yoga, restriction over human potential). Therein, he gives charts of a few famous historical figures, with this sinister yoga. In particular he speaks of Abraham Lincoln (see details and quotes below). I don't know if this will meet the requirements of a challenger, but have a look and please let me know! ;-) 3) I found that several well known sources that are published in India, such as the ephemeris, called panchangs or jantris, make reference to KSY. One in particular called 'Sri Gita panchang jantri' (published Sri Krishna Jyotish bhavan) details the 12 variants of KSY on p132. ----- Although, these are all contemporary references and this may in fact be a 'trumped up' yoga, as suggested, there is something to be said for the following analysis that comes from Behari: " In the horoscope it will be indicated by the individual having the affliction of 'Kala Sarpa Yoga' ... capabilities, talents and meritorious deeds which rightfully belong to him, are suspended for the time being, and he is decreed to undergo certain experiences in a particular birth for certain special purpose. This configuration does not necessarily imply a combination for poverty, ill- luck, bad health, theft, abandonment from relations or dishonour and other such circumstances of which people in general are afraid. It only implies that the individual's life is earmarked for certain special purpose, while keeping his other qualities and capabilities in store for their fructification at a subsequent period of natural growth. As a result of this situation, it is possible that the individual may feel exasperated, finding that his natural share in affluence or evolutionary gifts is not made available to him, and is denied to him.... The problems of his marital pain, the problems of collective management and administrative inexperience or in fact, every problem that President Lincoln encountered in his life was there as part of his karmic birth, but the presence of Kala Sarpa Yoga transcended all these personal problems to enable him to discharge the special responsibilities entrusted to him. For this he bore the cross of his personal life happily or unhappily, as his physical and psychological constitution permitted.... This characteristic along with the house-divisions at which the Nodes are placed will determine the special features of its (ie. KSY's) operation, but its basic disposition of putting in abeyance the personal predilections of the individual remains in all case the vital basic point. In many cases, when the purpose is consciously registered, there is a streak of martyrdom in the person arising as a result of this combination. " ------------------------ I am still doubtful that there is such a thing as partial KSY, given that in my chart the Rahu-Ketu axis has planets on both sides, and although born under the same lagna as Lincoln, its not clear to me that there is any martyr or saint that is going to emerge from my soul. We'll see! Looking forward to your comments. regards, Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, KSY is indeed a controversial subject, and I appreciate your kind words, for this novice, and young jyotish student. I will take more time as you say, to look at the rules for the group. Please let me know how you and Shri Behari look at things differently. My apologies if I sounded pedantic or disrespectful. regards, Sanjay --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyaRe: Lincolnjyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:35 AM Dear Sanjay,A very quick response here to your main points, for now...more later when time permits.///1) Pt. Shri Puneet Bhardwaj has an excellent discussion on his website (seelink on KSY towards top right) called.///I did take a quick look at the website and saw on the page 'About Us' that they employ a mix of traditional and modern methods which would explain the use of KSY etc..I've noted that you've only recently joined Jyotish-Vidya and may not have read the welcome message on our group page which states quite clearly that permission is needed before posting links to conferences, courses, websites or other groups. When time permits perhaps you could read through the message and familiarise yourself with the basic rules of the group.///2) I have not studied the classics in any great detail and will defer toWendy ji for her reference to the same,///We should first be thoroughly familiar with the classics (BPHS particularly) before moving on to modern authors. This discipline gives a strong foundation for further studies.///however one great authority (who was a contemporary of Dr. Raman) is Shri Bepin Behari, and in his book Advanced predictive techniques he dedicates a full chapter to KSY (titled: Kal Sarp yoga, restriction over human potential). Therein, he gives charts of a few famous historical figures, with this sinister yoga.///I do have a couple of Bepin Behari's books gathering dust on my bookshelf which I have to say didn't make much of an impression.. .probably because we seem to look at things in a totally different way.///3) I found that several well known sources that are published in India, suchas the ephemeris, called panchangs or jantris, make reference to KSY.One in particular called 'Sri Gita panchang jantri' (published Sri KrishnaJyotish bhavan) details the 12 variants of KSY on p132.///It's perfectly understandable that modern ephemerides would provide data for modern concepts. Modern society also provides for what the modern culture demands...this doesn't imply that it's correct according to traditional values/culture.///Although, these are all contemporary references and this may in factbe a 'trumped up' yoga, as suggested, there is something to be said forthe following analysis that comes from Behari:///I concede that 'trumped-up' was a bad choice of words. No doubt I could have conveyed my meaning in a less confrontationol manner....I'll leave Behari for the time being as I am familiar with the concept of KSY. However, perhaps you can let me have the birth data for Abraham Lincoln so I can look at the chart myself.Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______- "Sanjay Khanduja" <skhanduja ><jyotish-vidya>Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:07 PMRe: LincolnDear Mrs. Wendy and Uday,Namaste and thanks for the reply and interesting / valuable references.Continuing our discussion on Kala sarp yoga, just for a bit longer, I wantedto add the following ... for your further thoughts:1) Pt. Shri Puneet Bhardwaj has an excellent discussion on his website (seelink on KSY towards top right) called.2) I have not studied the classics in any great detail and will defer toWendy ji for her reference to the same, however one great authority(who was a contemporary of Dr. Raman) is Shri Bepin Behari, and inhis book Advanced predictive techniques he dedicates a full chapterto KSY (titled: Kal Sarp yoga, restriction over human potential). Therein,he gives charts of a few famous historical figures, with this sinister yoga.In particular he speaks of Abraham Lincoln (see details and quotes below).I don't know if this will meet the requirements of a challenger, but have alook and please let me know! ;-)3) I found that several well known sources that are published in India, suchas the ephemeris, called panchangs or jantris, make reference to KSY.One in particular called 'Sri Gita panchang jantri' (published Sri KrishnaJyotish bhavan) details the 12 variants of KSY on p132.------------ --------- --------- --------Although, these are all contemporary references and this may in factbe a 'trumped up' yoga, as suggested, there is something to be said forthe following analysis that comes from Behari:" In the horoscope it will be indicated by the individual having the afflictionof 'Kala Sarpa Yoga' ... capabilities, talents and meritorious deeds whichrightfully belong to him, are suspended for the time being, and he is decreedto undergo certain experiences in a particular birth for certain special purpose.This configuration does not necessarily imply a combination for poverty, ill-luck, bad health, theft, abandonment from relations or dishonour and othersuch circumstances of which people in general are afraid. It only implies thatthe individual's life is earmarked for certain special purpose, while keeping hisother qualities and capabilities in store for their fructification at a subsequentperiod of natural growth. As a result of this situation, it is possible that theindividual may feel exasperated, finding that his natural share in affluence orevolutionary gifts is not made available to him, and is denied to him....The problems of his marital pain, the problems of collective managementand administrative inexperience or in fact, every problem that PresidentLincoln encountered in his life was there as part of his karmic birth, butthe presence of Kala Sarpa Yoga transcended all these personal problemsto enable him to discharge the special responsibilities entrusted to him. Forthis he bore the cross of his personal life happily or unhappily, as his physicaland psychological constitution permitted... .This characteristic along with the house-divisions at which the Nodes areplaced will determine the special features of its (ie. KSY's) operation, but itsbasic disposition of putting in abeyance the personal predilections of theindividual remains in all case the vital basic point. In many cases, whenthe purpose is consciously registered, there is a streak of martyrdom inthe person arising as a result of this combination. "------------ --------- ---I am still doubtful that there is such a thing as partial KSY, giventhat in my chart the Rahu-Ketu axis has planets on both sides,and although born under the same lagna as Lincoln, its not clearto me that there is any martyr or saint that is going to emergefrom my soul. We'll see!Looking forward to your comments.regards,Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Sanjay, ///Please let me know how you and Shri Behari look at things differently./// I'll have to leaf through his books again before I can give specific examples. I've jotted down Dec 1999 on the front flap of the books so it's (obviously) been a long time since I read them. I'll take another look when I have some time to spare. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Sanjay Khanduja " <skhanduja <jyotish-vidya > Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM Re: Lincoln Dear Mrs Wendy, KSY is indeed a controversial subject, and I appreciate your kind words, for this novice, and young jyotish student. I will take more time as you say, to look at the rules for the group. Please let me know how you and Shri Behari look at things differently. My apologies if I sounded pedantic or disrespectful. regards, Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Sorry, that should read Dec 1996... more haste, less speed :-) Dear Sanjay, ///Please let me know how you and Shri Behari look at things differently./// I'll have to leaf through his books again before I can give specific examples. I've jotted down Dec 1999 (correction: 1996) on the front flap of the books so it's (obviously) been a long time since I read them. I'll take another look when I have some time to spare. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Sanjay Khanduja " <skhanduja <jyotish-vidya > Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM Re: Lincoln Dear Mrs Wendy, KSY is indeed a controversial subject, and I appreciate your kind words, for this novice, and young jyotish student. I will take more time as you say, to look at the rules for the group. Please let me know how you and Shri Behari look at things differently. My apologies if I sounded pedantic or disrespectful. regards, Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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