Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 London 01=03=2009 Pujay shri Wendiji, PRANAMAS excellent article - many thanks - certainly gives a good knowledge= hari bol pdk --- On Sun, 1/3/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! jyotish-vidya Sunday, 1 March, 2009, 9:34 AM PS: To the best of my knowledge the value of AshtakaVarga is in fine-tuning the results due to transits...i. e., the horoscope in general interpreted according to kundali whilst the subtle effects in particular due to transits. I have just added a chart (previously omitted from the e-book available to me at the time) showing auspicious/inauspic ious places for Sun's transits according to AshtakaVarga. ..see link below. I will endeavour to include the relevant charts for the other Grahas as time permits. http://jyotishvidya .com/ch66. htm ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 AM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Aneesha, As I intimated in previous mail there are different techniques available to determine the malefic/benefic status of the planets for each horoscope. One technique is the ashtakavarga scheme, another is based on the temporary friendship scheme. As I rely solely on the friendship (permanent + temporary) technique, my expertise in regards to ashtakavarga is basic and, no doubt, quite rusty. Perhaps other members, more familiar with ashtakavarga, might offer their view as it relates to your chart :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " aneesha acharya " <aneeshaacharya@ > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:50 PM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Mrs Wendy! Thanks!!! You are right ..mars has two bindus in 6th house...which makes it malefic...I beleive ashtakavarga sees planets as malefic and benific based purely on having less or more than 3 bindus respectively; which means mars should give malefic results for 6th house..am I correct in concluding so? However, another concept I read is that, paradoxically planets having less bindus give benificial aspect..for e.g..in my chart,since saturn and jupiter have 3 and less in their house..they should gove benificial aspects....Is my logic correct.. Please enlighten me! Regards, Aneesha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear pdk, Thank you. Your comments are appreciated :-) I was reading James Braha recently in regards to this topic, and I quote: " The ashtaka varga, or eightfold division, is a supplemental technique which serves to give added weight to the power or weakness of each of the houses. It is also used for the delineation of transits, since planets transiting through powerful houses in this system produce intense results, while planets transiting weak houses do not. " I would like to focus on the point made that AshtakaVarga is a supplemental technique and revert back to BPHS (Ch.66: 7-11) where mention is given to the planets exaltation, debility etc., but no mention of the natural/temporary relationship between the planets which, like the AshtakaVarga technique, gives added weight to the power or weakness of the grahas/bhavas. There are many supplemental techniques available. However it's my view that if we were to apply them all simultaneously the waters would become very muddy indeed... I look forward to others opinion on this topic :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " pdk kotak " <ganeshji101 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:46 PM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. London 01=03=2009 Pujay shri Wendiji, PRANAMAS excellent article - many thanks - certainly gives a good knowledge= hari bol pdk --- On Sun, 1/3/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! jyotish-vidya Sunday, 1 March, 2009, 9:34 AM PS: To the best of my knowledge the value of AshtakaVarga is in fine-tuning the results due to transits...i. e., the horoscope in general interpreted according to kundali whilst the subtle effects in particular due to transits. I have just added a chart (previously omitted from the e-book available to me at the time) showing auspicious/inauspic ious places for Sun's transits according to AshtakaVarga. ..see link below. I will endeavour to include the relevant charts for the other Grahas as time permits. http://jyotishvidya .com/ch66. htm ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 AM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Aneesha, As I intimated in previous mail there are different techniques available to determine the malefic/benefic status of the planets for each horoscope. One technique is the ashtakavarga scheme, another is based on the temporary friendship scheme. As I rely solely on the friendship (permanent + temporary) technique, my expertise in regards to ashtakavarga is basic and, no doubt, quite rusty. Perhaps other members, more familiar with ashtakavarga, might offer their view as it relates to your chart :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " aneesha acharya " <aneeshaacharya@ > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:50 PM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Mrs Wendy! Thanks!!! You are right ..mars has two bindus in 6th house...which makes it malefic...I beleive ashtakavarga sees planets as malefic and benific based purely on having less or more than 3 bindus respectively; which means mars should give malefic results for 6th house..am I correct in concluding so? However, another concept I read is that, paradoxically planets having less bindus give benificial aspect..for e.g..in my chart,since saturn and jupiter have 3 and less in their house..they should gove benificial aspects....Is my logic correct.. Please enlighten me! Regards, Aneesha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Wendy, Ashtakavarga is to gauge the power of a planet. When charting the SAV, one automatically covers all the yoga's which are based on the relative position from each other and lagna. Ashtakavarga and powers found from it can be used to find the timing of event. One must know Vedic portion first and then can use Ashtakavarga system to pin point the timing of events. In KAS, we use the upchay system along with Ashtakavarga and VA portion i.e. consideration of upchay houses and its lords, aspects on house, planets, consideration of 6th lord and 12th lord from any house etc etc to come to the final power for all 7 planets for all 12 houses in a numerical format and then calculate the powers in all 16 D charts for all 7 planets and in all 12 houses respectively. So we can get the power of each and every planet and in each and every house using Ashtakavarga. Yes, in D charts, we do not consider the powers gained due to 4:10 and aspects on house / planets, we just add the power in the primary upchay house. This is as per KAS system. I do not know how others take this into consideration. So, in summary, Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet and in ashtakavarga, we consider the yog's and bindus so the positive yogs that a planet makes with respect to each other and lagna. The sign placement is not considered for judging the power of planet. The sign placement is used to find the quality. Let us take an example, take Jupiter is in Capricorn and say one is studying event of marriage for timing of it, then after delay period if antra of Jupiter is running and Jupiter has more than 12 points i.e. cumulative then it will give a happy event so if the marriage is judged as happy (based on certain laws of VA), then for timing of event, under certain conditions (i.e it should not aspect 2nd, 7th or 11th with the exception if its 4th or 12th lord) then it can give marriage. So upto here we have not factored in the sign placement but used Ashtakavarga to judge the power of Guru. Next is to judge the quality so the first step is to consider the Sign placement so here its in the sign of neecha so the Multiplication factor for Ju in Capricorn is 0.8 so u can multiply the total power obtained from above and multiply by 0.8 to gauge the " sign backing " . Without Ashtakavarga, as per the standard texts the way one tries to obtain the power of a planet primarily using the sign and then navamsa position, d charts and yogas. So if one see's sun in libra or Guru in Capricorn in Rasi then one says its weakened then u will study the depositor to gauge the power of Ju as well, then u might study the navamsa to ascertain its navamsa depositor etc etc, means in some way or the other, one is trying to find / gauge the power of a planet to deliver the result. There is a misconception that Ashtakavarga is used to fine tune the events based on Transits. On the contrary the whole system is based on relative positioning of planets w.r.t each other and lagna. With Ashtakavarga it eliminates the need to remember all the yogas and their contra's as its covered in SAV. So once u cast the SAV that is just the beginning. Then to gauge the total power of planets, the principle of Vedic Astrology have to be applied, i.e. 4:10 principle which is called parasparak karak I believe, next is consideration of upchay lords i.e. secondary upchay after that we need to consider planets aspecting planets and the primary upchay house. So if one is trying to find everything from SAV then he or she might be able to use transits only. But if one applies the full system then one can find the timing of event. So in standard texts only SAV is given and then some other portion is given like trikona reduction and some such method which do not work consistently. Now you can call this supplemental or portion that is missing from VA or whatsoever, but it gives us very clear method to find the timing of event. I hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 7:13 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear pdk, Thank you. Your comments are appreciated :-) I was reading James Braha recently in regards to this topic, and I quote: " The ashtaka varga, or eightfold division, is a supplemental technique which serves to give added weight to the power or weakness of each of the houses. It is also used for the delineation of transits, since planets transiting through powerful houses in this system produce intense results, while planets transiting weak houses do not. " I would like to focus on the point made that AshtakaVarga is a supplemental technique and revert back to BPHS (Ch.66: 7-11) where mention is given to the planets exaltation, debility etc., but no mention of the natural/temporary relationship between the planets which, like the AshtakaVarga technique, gives added weight to the power or weakness of the grahas/bhavas. There are many supplemental techniques available. However it's my view that if we were to apply them all simultaneously the waters would become very muddy indeed... I look forward to others opinion on this topic :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " pdk kotak " <ganeshji101 <ganeshji101%40.co.uk> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:46 PM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. London 01=03=2009 Pujay shri Wendiji, PRANAMAS excellent article - many thanks - certainly gives a good knowledge= hari bol pdk --- On Sun, 1/3/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya <jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com> > wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya <jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com> > Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> Sunday, 1 March, 2009, 9:34 AM PS: To the best of my knowledge the value of AshtakaVarga is in fine-tuning the results due to transits...i. e., the horoscope in general interpreted according to kundali whilst the subtle effects in particular due to transits. I have just added a chart (previously omitted from the e-book available to me at the time) showing auspicious/inauspic ious places for Sun's transits according to AshtakaVarga. ..see link below. I will endeavour to include the relevant charts for the other Grahas as time permits. http://jyotishvidya .com/ch66. htm ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 AM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Aneesha, As I intimated in previous mail there are different techniques available to determine the malefic/benefic status of the planets for each horoscope. One technique is the ashtakavarga scheme, another is based on the temporary friendship scheme. As I rely solely on the friendship (permanent + temporary) technique, my expertise in regards to ashtakavarga is basic and, no doubt, quite rusty. Perhaps other members, more familiar with ashtakavarga, might offer their view as it relates to your chart :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " aneesha acharya " <aneeshaacharya@ > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:50 PM Re: Re: Gulika in lagna..please advice!! Dear Mrs Wendy! Thanks!!! You are right ..mars has two bindus in 6th house...which makes it malefic...I beleive ashtakavarga sees planets as malefic and benific based purely on having less or more than 3 bindus respectively; which means mars should give malefic results for 6th house..am I correct in concluding so? However, another concept I read is that, paradoxically planets having less bindus give benificial aspect..for e.g..in my chart,since saturn and jupiter have 3 and less in their house..they should gove benificial aspects....Is my logic correct.. Please enlighten me! 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Ash, For the sake of clarity I'd like to respond to just one point made in the preface " Intro to Krushna's Ashtakavarga System " . Preface: ///For a Cancer ascendant, Jupiter is the lord of the sixth and the ninth house. Confusion arises when we have to consider which lord to take into consideration./// Parasara makes it quite clear that Moolatrikona takes precedence over Own Sign. For Cancer, although Jupiter's ownership of 9th makes him auspicious for this lagna, 6th is his moolatrikona house and will show these effects strongly. Looking at Indira Gandhi's chart as an example, we find 6th/9th lord Jupiter aspecting lagnesh Moon (in 7th) from 11th house of gains (income, profits, auspicious events, long term desires) etc, etc.. We can see clearly how she fulfilled her desires (11th) through her ability to overcome her (political) rivals (6th). And there can be little doubt that the fulfillment of these long term desires was supported by Jupiter's 9th lordship...solutions to problems, support of nature etc, etc.. Success requires a certain amount of luck as well as effort/work, wouldn't you agree :-) Of course Indira Gandhi did face reversals at certain times, due, I believe, to Jupiter being in retrograde motion. For my part, at least, there is no confusion as to which lordship should be considered...both have a role to play. My own experience of Jupiter dasa (3rd/12th lord) confirmed absolutely that the effects of both lordships manifest...with moolatrikona taking precedence. As we both know, Ash, Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is a unique system of prediction. In much the same way that V.K. Choudhry's " Systems Approach " is a unique system. Here on JV we endeavour to follow Parasara's (preferred) Vimsottari system. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:58 PM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, Ashtakavarga is to gauge the power of a planet. When charting the SAV, one automatically covers all the yoga's which are based on the relative position from each other and lagna. Ashtakavarga and powers found from it can be used to find the timing of event. One must know Vedic portion first and then can use Ashtakavarga system to pin point the timing of events. In KAS, we use the upchay system along with Ashtakavarga and VA portion i.e. consideration of upchay houses and its lords, aspects on house, planets, consideration of 6th lord and 12th lord from any house etc etc to come to the final power for all 7 planets for all 12 houses in a numerical format and then calculate the powers in all 16 D charts for all 7 planets and in all 12 houses respectively. So we can get the power of each and every planet and in each and every house using Ashtakavarga. Yes, in D charts, we do not consider the powers gained due to 4:10 and aspects on house / planets, we just add the power in the primary upchay house. This is as per KAS system. I do not know how others take this into consideration. So, in summary, Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet and in ashtakavarga, we consider the yog's and bindus so the positive yogs that a planet makes with respect to each other and lagna. The sign placement is not considered for judging the power of planet. The sign placement is used to find the quality. Let us take an example, take Jupiter is in Capricorn and say one is studying event of marriage for timing of it, then after delay period if antra of Jupiter is running and Jupiter has more than 12 points i.e. cumulative then it will give a happy event so if the marriage is judged as happy (based on certain laws of VA), then for timing of event, under certain conditions (i.e it should not aspect 2nd, 7th or 11th with the exception if its 4th or 12th lord) then it can give marriage. So upto here we have not factored in the sign placement but used Ashtakavarga to judge the power of Guru. Next is to judge the quality so the first step is to consider the Sign placement so here its in the sign of neecha so the Multiplication factor for Ju in Capricorn is 0.8 so u can multiply the total power obtained from above and multiply by 0.8 to gauge the " sign backing " . Without Ashtakavarga, as per the standard texts the way one tries to obtain the power of a planet primarily using the sign and then navamsa position, d charts and yogas. So if one see's sun in libra or Guru in Capricorn in Rasi then one says its weakened then u will study the depositor to gauge the power of Ju as well, then u might study the navamsa to ascertain its navamsa depositor etc etc, means in some way or the other, one is trying to find / gauge the power of a planet to deliver the result. There is a misconception that Ashtakavarga is used to fine tune the events based on Transits. On the contrary the whole system is based on relative positioning of planets w.r.t each other and lagna. With Ashtakavarga it eliminates the need to remember all the yogas and their contra's as its covered in SAV. So once u cast the SAV that is just the beginning. Then to gauge the total power of planets, the principle of Vedic Astrology have to be applied, i.e. 4:10 principle which is called parasparak karak I believe, next is consideration of upchay lords i.e. secondary upchay after that we need to consider planets aspecting planets and the primary upchay house. So if one is trying to find everything from SAV then he or she might be able to use transits only. But if one applies the full system then one can find the timing of event. So in standard texts only SAV is given and then some other portion is given like trikona reduction and some such method which do not work consistently. Now you can call this supplemental or portion that is missing from VA or whatsoever, but it gives us very clear method to find the timing of event. I hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash - http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Wendy, You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion. I would like to comment on 2 things only to keep the record straight as you I believe are making statements without proper knowledge or understanding of KAS. Regarding the precedence of MT over own sign. Definitely, MT will take over precedence and that is correct, however, we first check the bindus obtained in each house. So if Ju rules 3rd and 6th then we check the bindus or Ju's power in each house. Say if Ju has 3 bindus in 3rd and 4 bindus in 6th house then Jupiter is more towards 6th house lord and lesser in proportion as 3rd lord. That ratio would be 3:4. Now if say 3rd is Sag and 6th is Pisces then we weigh that. Now if Ju has more power in Pisces i.e lets say 4 bindus vs Sag has 3 then Ju will be more towards as lord of pisces in proportion of 4:3. If both lords have equal power say if both had 5 bindus each then MT will be more powerful. If you are using Yogas as given by Parasara then SAV gives us the relation and power and the bindus i.e. yogs give by Guru in say 3rd vs 6th. If Guru has more power i.e say 4 bindus in 6th house which is pisces means its having more positive power i.e. yogas in 6th compared to 3rd if 3rd house has say 3 bindus. Regarding Vimshottari Dasha Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS only (I think you know this, but if not, please make a note of it). KAS and unique system Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique. Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it. My Opinion In my opinion KAS is part and parcel of VA. All the laws of VA are followed as given by Parasara. Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet instead of sign placement. Now Ashtakavarga is given by Parasara, Vimshottari dasha is given, the 3 aspects of Ju, Ma and Sa are given, the planets sign placement is same, the MT and Exaltation i.e. sign and bindu wise are also given and same as given by parasara, aspects as per parasara is used which is same as given by Parasara, 4:10 principle which are mutual Significators are used which is given by parasara, samdharmis are given by parasara which are planest in same sign, same nakshatra, navamsa depositer, 4:10) and upchay theory which is also given by Parasara. Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS which is given by Parasara as well. D chart are also used which are as per parasara. Let me know what is not as per Parasara so I can make a note of it. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 10:41 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Ash, For the sake of clarity I'd like to respond to just one point made in the preface " Intro to Krushna's Ashtakavarga System " . Preface: ///For a Cancer ascendant, Jupiter is the lord of the sixth and the ninth house. Confusion arises when we have to consider which lord to take into consideration./// Parasara makes it quite clear that Moolatrikona takes precedence over Own Sign. For Cancer, although Jupiter's ownership of 9th makes him auspicious for this lagna, 6th is his moolatrikona house and will show these effects strongly. Looking at Indira Gandhi's chart as an example, we find 6th/9th lord Jupiter aspecting lagnesh Moon (in 7th) from 11th house of gains (income, profits, auspicious events, long term desires) etc, etc.. We can see clearly how she fulfilled her desires (11th) through her ability to overcome her (political) rivals (6th). And there can be little doubt that the fulfillment of these long term desires was supported by Jupiter's 9th lordship...solutions to problems, support of nature etc, etc.. Success requires a certain amount of luck as well as effort/work, wouldn't you agree :-) Of course Indira Gandhi did face reversals at certain times, due, I believe, to Jupiter being in retrograde motion. For my part, at least, there is no confusion as to which lordship should be considered...both have a role to play. My own experience of Jupiter dasa (3rd/12th lord) confirmed absolutely that the effects of both lordships manifest...with moolatrikona taking precedence. As we both know, Ash, Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is a unique system of prediction. In much the same way that V.K. Choudhry's " Systems Approach " is a unique system. Here on JV we endeavour to follow Parasara's (preferred) Vimsottari system. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:58 PM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, Ashtakavarga is to gauge the power of a planet. When charting the SAV, one automatically covers all the yoga's which are based on the relative position from each other and lagna. Ashtakavarga and powers found from it can be used to find the timing of event. One must know Vedic portion first and then can use Ashtakavarga system to pin point the timing of events. In KAS, we use the upchay system along with Ashtakavarga and VA portion i.e. consideration of upchay houses and its lords, aspects on house, planets, consideration of 6th lord and 12th lord from any house etc etc to come to the final power for all 7 planets for all 12 houses in a numerical format and then calculate the powers in all 16 D charts for all 7 planets and in all 12 houses respectively. So we can get the power of each and every planet and in each and every house using Ashtakavarga. Yes, in D charts, we do not consider the powers gained due to 4:10 and aspects on house / planets, we just add the power in the primary upchay house. This is as per KAS system. I do not know how others take this into consideration. So, in summary, Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet and in ashtakavarga, we consider the yog's and bindus so the positive yogs that a planet makes with respect to each other and lagna. The sign placement is not considered for judging the power of planet. The sign placement is used to find the quality. Let us take an example, take Jupiter is in Capricorn and say one is studying event of marriage for timing of it, then after delay period if antra of Jupiter is running and Jupiter has more than 12 points i.e. cumulative then it will give a happy event so if the marriage is judged as happy (based on certain laws of VA), then for timing of event, under certain conditions (i.e it should not aspect 2nd, 7th or 11th with the exception if its 4th or 12th lord) then it can give marriage. So upto here we have not factored in the sign placement but used Ashtakavarga to judge the power of Guru. Next is to judge the quality so the first step is to consider the Sign placement so here its in the sign of neecha so the Multiplication factor for Ju in Capricorn is 0.8 so u can multiply the total power obtained from above and multiply by 0.8 to gauge the " sign backing " . Without Ashtakavarga, as per the standard texts the way one tries to obtain the power of a planet primarily using the sign and then navamsa position, d charts and yogas. So if one see's sun in libra or Guru in Capricorn in Rasi then one says its weakened then u will study the depositor to gauge the power of Ju as well, then u might study the navamsa to ascertain its navamsa depositor etc etc, means in some way or the other, one is trying to find / gauge the power of a planet to deliver the result. There is a misconception that Ashtakavarga is used to fine tune the events based on Transits. On the contrary the whole system is based on relative positioning of planets w.r.t each other and lagna. With Ashtakavarga it eliminates the need to remember all the yogas and their contra's as its covered in SAV. So once u cast the SAV that is just the beginning. Then to gauge the total power of planets, the principle of Vedic Astrology have to be applied, i.e. 4:10 principle which is called parasparak karak I believe, next is consideration of upchay lords i.e. secondary upchay after that we need to consider planets aspecting planets and the primary upchay house. So if one is trying to find everything from SAV then he or she might be able to use transits only. But if one applies the full system then one can find the timing of event. So in standard texts only SAV is given and then some other portion is given like trikona reduction and some such method which do not work consistently. Now you can call this supplemental or portion that is missing from VA or whatsoever, but it gives us very clear method to find the timing of event. I hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash - http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Wendy, Regarding the precedence of MT over own sign (Continuation) If you check Indira Gandhi's chart, then check the SAV points of Ju in 6th and 9th house. Ju has 5 bindus in 6th house and 4 bindus in 9th house. In Indira Gandhi's chart MT will take precedence. Even if 9th and 6th had equal bindus, still MT would take precedence. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca Ash's Corner [kas] Sunday March 1, 2009 1:11 PM 'jyotish-vidya ' RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion. I would like to comment on 2 things only to keep the record straight as you I believe are making statements without proper knowledge or understanding of KAS. Regarding the precedence of MT over own sign. Definitely, MT will take over precedence and that is correct, however, we first check the bindus obtained in each house. So if Ju rules 3rd and 6th then we check the bindus or Ju's power in each house. Say if Ju has 3 bindus in 3rd and 4 bindus in 6th house then Jupiter is more towards 6th house lord and lesser in proportion as 3rd lord. That ratio would be 3:4. Now if say 3rd is Sag and 6th is Pisces then we weigh that. Now if Ju has more power in Pisces i.e lets say 4 bindus vs Sag has 3 then Ju will be more towards as lord of pisces in proportion of 4:3. If both lords have equal power say if both had 5 bindus each then MT will be more powerful. If you are using Yogas as given by Parasara then SAV gives us the relation and power and the bindus i.e. yogs give by Guru in say 3rd vs 6th. If Guru has more power i.e say 4 bindus in 6th house which is pisces means its having more positive power i.e. yogas in 6th compared to 3rd if 3rd house has say 3 bindus. Regarding Vimshottari Dasha Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS only (I think you know this, but if not, please make a note of it). KAS and unique system Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique. Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it. My Opinion In my opinion KAS is part and parcel of VA. All the laws of VA are followed as given by Parasara. Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet instead of sign placement. Now Ashtakavarga is given by Parasara, Vimshottari dasha is given, the 3 aspects of Ju, Ma and Sa are given, the planets sign placement is same, the MT and Exaltation i.e. sign and bindu wise are also given and same as given by parasara, aspects as per parasara is used which is same as given by Parasara, 4:10 principle which are mutual Significators are used which is given by parasara, samdharmis are given by parasara which are planest in same sign, same nakshatra, navamsa depositer, 4:10) and upchay theory which is also given by Parasara. Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS which is given by Parasara as well. D chart are also used which are as per parasara. Let me know what is not as per Parasara so I can make a note of it. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 10:41 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Ash, For the sake of clarity I'd like to respond to just one point made in the preface " Intro to Krushna's Ashtakavarga System " . Preface: ///For a Cancer ascendant, Jupiter is the lord of the sixth and the ninth house. Confusion arises when we have to consider which lord to take into consideration./// Parasara makes it quite clear that Moolatrikona takes precedence over Own Sign. For Cancer, although Jupiter's ownership of 9th makes him auspicious for this lagna, 6th is his moolatrikona house and will show these effects strongly. Looking at Indira Gandhi's chart as an example, we find 6th/9th lord Jupiter aspecting lagnesh Moon (in 7th) from 11th house of gains (income, profits, auspicious events, long term desires) etc, etc.. We can see clearly how she fulfilled her desires (11th) through her ability to overcome her (political) rivals (6th). And there can be little doubt that the fulfillment of these long term desires was supported by Jupiter's 9th lordship...solutions to problems, support of nature etc, etc.. Success requires a certain amount of luck as well as effort/work, wouldn't you agree :-) Of course Indira Gandhi did face reversals at certain times, due, I believe, to Jupiter being in retrograde motion. For my part, at least, there is no confusion as to which lordship should be considered...both have a role to play. My own experience of Jupiter dasa (3rd/12th lord) confirmed absolutely that the effects of both lordships manifest...with moolatrikona taking precedence. As we both know, Ash, Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is a unique system of prediction. In much the same way that V.K. Choudhry's " Systems Approach " is a unique system. Here on JV we endeavour to follow Parasara's (preferred) Vimsottari system. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:58 PM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, Ashtakavarga is to gauge the power of a planet. When charting the SAV, one automatically covers all the yoga's which are based on the relative position from each other and lagna. Ashtakavarga and powers found from it can be used to find the timing of event. One must know Vedic portion first and then can use Ashtakavarga system to pin point the timing of events. In KAS, we use the upchay system along with Ashtakavarga and VA portion i.e. consideration of upchay houses and its lords, aspects on house, planets, consideration of 6th lord and 12th lord from any house etc etc to come to the final power for all 7 planets for all 12 houses in a numerical format and then calculate the powers in all 16 D charts for all 7 planets and in all 12 houses respectively. So we can get the power of each and every planet and in each and every house using Ashtakavarga. Yes, in D charts, we do not consider the powers gained due to 4:10 and aspects on house / planets, we just add the power in the primary upchay house. This is as per KAS system. I do not know how others take this into consideration. So, in summary, Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet and in ashtakavarga, we consider the yog's and bindus so the positive yogs that a planet makes with respect to each other and lagna. The sign placement is not considered for judging the power of planet. The sign placement is used to find the quality. Let us take an example, take Jupiter is in Capricorn and say one is studying event of marriage for timing of it, then after delay period if antra of Jupiter is running and Jupiter has more than 12 points i.e. cumulative then it will give a happy event so if the marriage is judged as happy (based on certain laws of VA), then for timing of event, under certain conditions (i.e it should not aspect 2nd, 7th or 11th with the exception if its 4th or 12th lord) then it can give marriage. So upto here we have not factored in the sign placement but used Ashtakavarga to judge the power of Guru. Next is to judge the quality so the first step is to consider the Sign placement so here its in the sign of neecha so the Multiplication factor for Ju in Capricorn is 0.8 so u can multiply the total power obtained from above and multiply by 0.8 to gauge the " sign backing " . Without Ashtakavarga, as per the standard texts the way one tries to obtain the power of a planet primarily using the sign and then navamsa position, d charts and yogas. So if one see's sun in libra or Guru in Capricorn in Rasi then one says its weakened then u will study the depositor to gauge the power of Ju as well, then u might study the navamsa to ascertain its navamsa depositor etc etc, means in some way or the other, one is trying to find / gauge the power of a planet to deliver the result. There is a misconception that Ashtakavarga is used to fine tune the events based on Transits. On the contrary the whole system is based on relative positioning of planets w.r.t each other and lagna. With Ashtakavarga it eliminates the need to remember all the yogas and their contra's as its covered in SAV. So once u cast the SAV that is just the beginning. Then to gauge the total power of planets, the principle of Vedic Astrology have to be applied, i.e. 4:10 principle which is called parasparak karak I believe, next is consideration of upchay lords i.e. secondary upchay after that we need to consider planets aspecting planets and the primary upchay house. So if one is trying to find everything from SAV then he or she might be able to use transits only. But if one applies the full system then one can find the timing of event. So in standard texts only SAV is given and then some other portion is given like trikona reduction and some such method which do not work consistently. Now you can call this supplemental or portion that is missing from VA or whatsoever, but it gives us very clear method to find the timing of event. I hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash - http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Ash, ///You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion./// Your opinion is appreciated, Ash, and no lecture was intended. ///Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique./// Those who practice Krushna's ashtakavarga system and those who practice the Systems approach as well as those who practice KP all maintain that their system is based (purely) on the laws(?) of VA. Of course this is true (to a point). However, the fact remains that these systems do have their own unique interpretation of the laws(?) of VA. ///Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it./// Is such a remark really necessary, Ash? Obviously I have not made a study of Krushna's method...you know this! Even those who apply ashtakavarga regularly in their interpretation would be at a loss with Krushna's method unless they had studied it in depth. It seems that my earlier remark has unwittingly ruffled your feathers. I can only apologise for my insensitivity and assure you that wasn't my intention....meant only to draw attention to the fact that we here are NOT versed in Krushna's unique method. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Monday, March 02, 2009 3:10 AM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion. I would like to comment on 2 things only to keep the record straight as you I believe are making statements without proper knowledge or understanding of KAS. Regarding the precedence of MT over own sign. Definitely, MT will take over precedence and that is correct, however, we first check the bindus obtained in each house. So if Ju rules 3rd and 6th then we check the bindus or Ju's power in each house. Say if Ju has 3 bindus in 3rd and 4 bindus in 6th house then Jupiter is more towards 6th house lord and lesser in proportion as 3rd lord. That ratio would be 3:4. Now if say 3rd is Sag and 6th is Pisces then we weigh that. Now if Ju has more power in Pisces i.e lets say 4 bindus vs Sag has 3 then Ju will be more towards as lord of pisces in proportion of 4:3. If both lords have equal power say if both had 5 bindus each then MT will be more powerful. If you are using Yogas as given by Parasara then SAV gives us the relation and power and the bindus i.e. yogs give by Guru in say 3rd vs 6th. If Guru has more power i.e say 4 bindus in 6th house which is pisces means its having more positive power i.e. yogas in 6th compared to 3rd if 3rd house has say 3 bindus. Regarding Vimshottari Dasha Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS only (I think you know this, but if not, please make a note of it). KAS and unique system Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique. Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it. My Opinion In my opinion KAS is part and parcel of VA. All the laws of VA are followed as given by Parasara. Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet instead of sign placement. Now Ashtakavarga is given by Parasara, Vimshottari dasha is given, the 3 aspects of Ju, Ma and Sa are given, the planets sign placement is same, the MT and Exaltation i.e. sign and bindu wise are also given and same as given by parasara, aspects as per parasara is used which is same as given by Parasara, 4:10 principle which are mutual Significators are used which is given by parasara, samdharmis are given by parasara which are planest in same sign, same nakshatra, navamsa depositer, 4:10) and upchay theory which is also given by Parasara. Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS which is given by Parasara as well. D chart are also used which are as per parasara. Let me know what is not as per Parasara so I can make a note of it. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Wendy, No apologies necessary. You are much elder in age and experience. I am only sharing what little I know and have learnt. Rest of my replies below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 8:59 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Ash, ///You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion./// Your opinion is appreciated, Ash, and no lecture was intended. Ash : Thanks and I do enjoy writing on your list as my impression about you over the years is that you do keep an open mind especially where someone talks about techniques that Parasara has mentioned. I did take a lot of time of my day to compose that email and write the mail because of this. I felt that I can share my opinion freely, as long as I did not write things that confuses members. ///Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique./// Those who practice Krushna's ashtakavarga system and those who practice the Systems approach as well as those who practice KP all maintain that their system is based (purely) on the laws(?) of VA. Of course this is true (to a point). However, the fact remains that these systems do have their own unique interpretation of the laws(?) of VA. Ash : KP uses Placedius house system, its not given in BPHS, SA is using the MT sign of Mo to be Cancer, that is also not given in BPHS. In KAS, its instructed that one must know and be good at VA principles and then use the KAS system for Timing of Events. I am not clear on what you mean by unique interpretation of the law of VA? On the contrary one must know VA first. So I am not clear, maybe its your lack of knowledge of KAS that is making you come to this conclusion. Infact you took something from what was written in the preface, and then made a comment on it, without understanding the depth of system. Its like taking one verse from BPHS and then forming a judgement. That is not correct. I am saying this from studying years of KAS and you are making a judgment based on no knowledge of KAS. That is not a fair basis to judge. I think you will agree with me. On the contrary the laws of VA can be explained using KAS or Ashtakavarga system as the final result will be in numerical format and that cannot be manipulated or changed. Please read what I have read above with a calm mind otherwise it might get you irritated AND that is NOT my intension at all. ///Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it./// Is such a remark really necessary, Ash? Obviously I have not made a study of Krushna's method...you know this! Even those who apply ashtakavarga regularly in their interpretation would be at a loss with Krushna's method unless they had studied it in depth. It seems that my earlier remark has unwittingly ruffled your feathers. I can only apologise for my insensitivity and assure you that wasn't my intention....meant only to draw attention to the fact that we here are NOT versed in Krushna's unique method. Ash : I just sent a mail on Indira Gandhi's chart before reading this mail as it was sitting in my outbox. Wendy, I have my own conscience as well and I felt that I should not have written the above. Therefore I did do a quite a detailed analysis and have sent my opinion on the chart and also I got a chance to go though your chart and have put some points there as well. I have not used anything for Timing of Event but I have used the VA portion as much as I could. If you find anything confusing or anything that is not VA, do point it out and I will make a note of it so that next time I will avoid writing such things to confuse members here. I would be lying if I said that I was not upset at first reading your email but I do know and have seen you and your writings since the days on Das Goravani's list and even before you created your first list and I was a member of that as well. I have seen you go though so many difficult times as u have been sharing that with the list. So I did feel that I should have kept more calm but then, everyone has their off days. I do believe that VA and KAS are no different as I have studied both in quite a lot of detail, that said, in the larger gist of things, you might have begun your Jyotish studies before I was born :-) so if my understanding lacks in some areas, try to explain that and I try to understand how you are approaching a chart and I do take your experience into account of so many years and solving so many charts. Just for an example in your chart and i that of Indira Gandhis chart you did find MT taking precedence over the non MT house and I did consider that and did try to find the reason using Ashtakavarga and I did find that in both cases its in line. Yes, but you also must appreciate or atleast try to that in both cases what I am saying is also in line and that with the calculation I have given I am getting a mathematical ratio of which house the lord is more like along with a mathematical proportion. With what you write that in Indira Gandhis or your chart, Ju is representing both house in your case 12th and 3rd and in Indira Gandhis chart 6th and 9th and its more towards MT, so here you are not being exact (as per what you wrote), but u are experiencing that MT is taking a precedence AND Ju IS representing BOTH but with MT having a higher weightage, and with KAS or say using Ashtakavarga you can or are able to judge the PROPORTION in a more concrete way. I once again am saying that if this email upset's your, it is not my intension. Thanks for Listening. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Monday, March 02, 2009 3:10 AM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion. I would like to comment on 2 things only to keep the record straight as you I believe are making statements without proper knowledge or understanding of KAS. Regarding the precedence of MT over own sign. Definitely, MT will take over precedence and that is correct, however, we first check the bindus obtained in each house. So if Ju rules 3rd and 6th then we check the bindus or Ju's power in each house. Say if Ju has 3 bindus in 3rd and 4 bindus in 6th house then Jupiter is more towards 6th house lord and lesser in proportion as 3rd lord. That ratio would be 3:4. Now if say 3rd is Sag and 6th is Pisces then we weigh that. Now if Ju has more power in Pisces i.e lets say 4 bindus vs Sag has 3 then Ju will be more towards as lord of pisces in proportion of 4:3. If both lords have equal power say if both had 5 bindus each then MT will be more powerful. If you are using Yogas as given by Parasara then SAV gives us the relation and power and the bindus i.e. yogs give by Guru in say 3rd vs 6th. If Guru has more power i.e say 4 bindus in 6th house which is pisces means its having more positive power i.e. yogas in 6th compared to 3rd if 3rd house has say 3 bindus. Regarding Vimshottari Dasha Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS only (I think you know this, but if not, please make a note of it). KAS and unique system Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique. Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it. My Opinion In my opinion KAS is part and parcel of VA. All the laws of VA are followed as given by Parasara. Ashtakavarga is used to find the power of planet instead of sign placement. Now Ashtakavarga is given by Parasara, Vimshottari dasha is given, the 3 aspects of Ju, Ma and Sa are given, the planets sign placement is same, the MT and Exaltation i.e. sign and bindu wise are also given and same as given by parasara, aspects as per parasara is used which is same as given by Parasara, 4:10 principle which are mutual Significators are used which is given by parasara, samdharmis are given by parasara which are planest in same sign, same nakshatra, navamsa depositer, 4:10) and upchay theory which is also given by Parasara. Vimshottari dasha is used in KAS which is given by Parasara as well. D chart are also used which are as per parasara. Let me know what is not as per Parasara so I can make a note of it. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Will respond soon, Ash...so much to do off-list I hardly know where to start. Just like to say (quickly) that it's good we managed to avoid any real misunderstanding between us. We've been on friendly terms for some years now and I'd hate to see that change :-) These current transits have certainly been bothersome (for me) in terms of communications :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:25 AM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, No apologies necessary. You are much elder in age and experience. I am only sharing what little I know and have learnt. Rest of my replies below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 8:59 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Ash, ///You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion./// Your opinion is appreciated, Ash, and no lecture was intended. Ash : Thanks and I do enjoy writing on your list as my impression about you over the years is that you do keep an open mind especially where someone talks about techniques that Parasara has mentioned. I did take a lot of time of my day to compose that email and write the mail because of this. I felt that I can share my opinion freely, as long as I did not write things that confuses members. ///Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique./// Those who practice Krushna's ashtakavarga system and those who practice the Systems approach as well as those who practice KP all maintain that their system is based (purely) on the laws(?) of VA. Of course this is true (to a point). However, the fact remains that these systems do have their own unique interpretation of the laws(?) of VA. Ash : KP uses Placedius house system, its not given in BPHS, SA is using the MT sign of Mo to be Cancer, that is also not given in BPHS. In KAS, its instructed that one must know and be good at VA principles and then use the KAS system for Timing of Events. I am not clear on what you mean by unique interpretation of the law of VA? On the contrary one must know VA first. So I am not clear, maybe its your lack of knowledge of KAS that is making you come to this conclusion. Infact you took something from what was written in the preface, and then made a comment on it, without understanding the depth of system. Its like taking one verse from BPHS and then forming a judgement. That is not correct. I am saying this from studying years of KAS and you are making a judgment based on no knowledge of KAS. That is not a fair basis to judge. I think you will agree with me. On the contrary the laws of VA can be explained using KAS or Ashtakavarga system as the final result will be in numerical format and that cannot be manipulated or changed. Please read what I have read above with a calm mind otherwise it might get you irritated AND that is NOT my intension at all. ///Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it./// Is such a remark really necessary, Ash? Obviously I have not made a study of Krushna's method...you know this! Even those who apply ashtakavarga regularly in their interpretation would be at a loss with Krushna's method unless they had studied it in depth. It seems that my earlier remark has unwittingly ruffled your feathers. I can only apologise for my insensitivity and assure you that wasn't my intention....meant only to draw attention to the fact that we here are NOT versed in Krushna's unique method. Ash : I just sent a mail on Indira Gandhi's chart before reading this mail as it was sitting in my outbox. Wendy, I have my own conscience as well and I felt that I should not have written the above. Therefore I did do a quite a detailed analysis and have sent my opinion on the chart and also I got a chance to go though your chart and have put some points there as well. I have not used anything for Timing of Event but I have used the VA portion as much as I could. If you find anything confusing or anything that is not VA, do point it out and I will make a note of it so that next time I will avoid writing such things to confuse members here. I would be lying if I said that I was not upset at first reading your email but I do know and have seen you and your writings since the days on Das Goravani's list and even before you created your first list and I was a member of that as well. I have seen you go though so many difficult times as u have been sharing that with the list. So I did feel that I should have kept more calm but then, everyone has their off days. I do believe that VA and KAS are no different as I have studied both in quite a lot of detail, that said, in the larger gist of things, you might have begun your Jyotish studies before I was born :-) so if my understanding lacks in some areas, try to explain that and I try to understand how you are approaching a chart and I do take your experience into account of so many years and solving so many charts. Just for an example in your chart and i that of Indira Gandhis chart you did find MT taking precedence over the non MT house and I did consider that and did try to find the reason using Ashtakavarga and I did find that in both cases its in line. Yes, but you also must appreciate or atleast try to that in both cases what I am saying is also in line and that with the calculation I have given I am getting a mathematical ratio of which house the lord is more like along with a mathematical proportion. With what you write that in Indira Gandhis or your chart, Ju is representing both house in your case 12th and 3rd and in Indira Gandhis chart 6th and 9th and its more towards MT, so here you are not being exact (as per what you wrote), but u are experiencing that MT is taking a precedence AND Ju IS representing BOTH but with MT having a higher weightage, and with KAS or say using Ashtakavarga you can or are able to judge the PROPORTION in a more concrete way. I once again am saying that if this email upset's your, it is not my intension. Thanks for Listening. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Dear Wendy, Not to worry about such petty things. We all have our days good and bad. I did see your exchange with Tanvir as well and also have read about your tragic loss of your Sisters children and family in the forest fire. Please accept my condolences. Things have also been quite challenging for me and extremely busy and stressful, however I have not had to suffer any family loss as you have and the grief of loosing family members. Please take your time but do try to understand what had taken me a long time to understand myself as initially I was following the same thing and then by adding the layer of Ashtakavarga I could get more clarity and get deeper understanding of the power of all this. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Tuesday March 3, 2009 1:45 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Will respond soon, Ash...so much to do off-list I hardly know where to start. Just like to say (quickly) that it's good we managed to avoid any real misunderstanding between us. We've been on friendly terms for some years now and I'd hate to see that change :-) These current transits have certainly been bothersome (for me) in terms of communications :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:25 AM RE: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Wendy, No apologies necessary. You are much elder in age and experience. I am only sharing what little I know and have learnt. Rest of my replies below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> [jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday March 1, 2009 8:59 PM jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> Re: Re: Gulika in lagna. Dear Ash, ///You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lecture me on what is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I have sent mails first to your private email address to make sure that it would not create any confusion./// Your opinion is appreciated, Ash, and no lecture was intended. Ash : Thanks and I do enjoy writing on your list as my impression about you over the years is that you do keep an open mind especially where someone talks about techniques that Parasara has mentioned. I did take a lot of time of my day to compose that email and write the mail because of this. I felt that I can share my opinion freely, as long as I did not write things that confuses members. ///Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is a part of VA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All the laws of VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of this as well. From what you have written, it seems that you are under the impression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes it unique./// Those who practice Krushna's ashtakavarga system and those who practice the Systems approach as well as those who practice KP all maintain that their system is based (purely) on the laws(?) of VA. Of course this is true (to a point). However, the fact remains that these systems do have their own unique interpretation of the laws(?) of VA. Ash : KP uses Placedius house system, its not given in BPHS, SA is using the MT sign of Mo to be Cancer, that is also not given in BPHS. In KAS, its instructed that one must know and be good at VA principles and then use the KAS system for Timing of Events. I am not clear on what you mean by unique interpretation of the law of VA? On the contrary one must know VA first. So I am not clear, maybe its your lack of knowledge of KAS that is making you come to this conclusion. Infact you took something from what was written in the preface, and then made a comment on it, without understanding the depth of system. Its like taking one verse from BPHS and then forming a judgement. That is not correct. I am saying this from studying years of KAS and you are making a judgment based on no knowledge of KAS. That is not a fair basis to judge. I think you will agree with me. On the contrary the laws of VA can be explained using KAS or Ashtakavarga system as the final result will be in numerical format and that cannot be manipulated or changed. Please read what I have read above with a calm mind otherwise it might get you irritated AND that is NOT my intension at all. ///Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chart I shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else will understand it./// Is such a remark really necessary, Ash? Obviously I have not made a study of Krushna's method...you know this! Even those who apply ashtakavarga regularly in their interpretation would be at a loss with Krushna's method unless they had studied it in depth. It seems that my earlier remark has unwittingly ruffled your feathers. I can only apologise for my insensitivity and assure you that wasn't my intention....meant only to draw attention to the fact that we here are NOT versed in Krushna's unique method. Ash : I just sent a mail on Indira Gandhi's chart before reading this mail as it was sitting in my outbox. Wendy, I have my own conscience as well and I felt that I should not have written the above. Therefore I did do a quite a detailed analysis and have sent my opinion on the chart and also I got a chance to go though your chart and have put some points there as well. I have not used anything for Timing of Event but I have used the VA portion as much as I could. If you find anything confusing or anything that is not VA, do point it out and I will make a note of it so that next time I will avoid writing such things to confuse members here. I would be lying if I said that I was not upset at first reading your email but I do know and have seen you and your writings since the days on Das Goravani's list and even before you created your first list and I was a member of that as well. I have seen you go though so many difficult times as u have been sharing that with the list. So I did feel that I should have kept more calm but then, everyone has their off days. I do believe that VA and KAS are no different as I have studied both in quite a lot of detail, that said, in the larger gist of things, you might have begun your Jyotish studies before I was born :-) so if my understanding lacks in some areas, try to explain that and I try to understand how you are approaching a chart and I do take your experience into account of so many years and solving so many charts. Just for an example in your chart and i that of Indira Gandhis chart you did find MT taking precedence over the non MT house and I did consider that and did try to find the reason using Ashtakavarga and I did find that in both cases its in line. Yes, but you also must appreciate or atleast try to that in both cases what I am saying is also in line and that with the calculation I have given I am getting a mathematical ratio of which house the lord is more like along with a mathematical proportion. With what you write that in Indira Gandhis or your chart, Ju is representing both house in your case 12th and 3rd and in Indira Gandhis chart 6th and 9th and its more towards MT, so here you are not being exact (as per what you wrote), but u are experiencing that MT is taking a precedence AND Ju IS representing BOTH but with MT having a higher weightage, and with KAS or say using Ashtakavarga you can or are able to judge the PROPORTION in a more concrete way. I once again am saying that if this email upset's your, it is not my intension. Thanks for Listening. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dear Ash, I understand you are basically saying that KAS is a good system for overall analysis..and not just for fine tuning transit effects..In that light, are my observations correct? As Im a rank novice, any material on the web I could read, besides what Mrs Wendy graciously suggested? Regards Aneesha--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Ash's Corner <kasRE: Re: Gulika in lagna.jyotish-vidya Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:29 AM Dear Wendy,Not to worry about such petty things. We all have our days good and bad. Idid see your exchange with Tanvir as well and also have read about yourtragic loss of your Sisters children and family in the forest fire. Pleaseaccept my condolences. Things have also been quite challenging for me and extremely busy andstressful, however I have not had to suffer any family loss as you have andthe grief of loosing family members.Please take your time but do try to understand what had taken me a long timeto understand myself as initially I was following the same thing and then byadding the layer of Ashtakavarga I could get more clarity and get deeperunderstanding of the power of all this.Cheers !!!Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. cajyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]On Behalf Of Mrs. WendyTuesday March 3, 2009 1:45 AMjyotish-vidyaRe: Re: Gulika in lagna.Will respond soon, Ash...so much to do off-list I hardly know where to start.Just like to say (quickly) that it's good we managed to avoid any real misunderstanding between us. We've been on friendly terms for some years now and I'd hate to see that change :-)These current transits have certainly been bothersome (for me) in terms of communications :-(Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______- "Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas<kas% 40ashtro. ca> ><jyotish-vidya <jyotish- vidya%40gro ups.com>>Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:25 AMRE: Re: Gulika in lagna.Dear Wendy,No apologies necessary. You are much elder in age and experience. I amonly sharing what little I know and have learnt.Rest of my replies below yours.Cheers !!!Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. cajyotish-vidya <jyotish- vidya%40gro ups.com>[jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya%40gro ups.com> ]On Behalf Of Mrs. WendySunday March 1, 2009 8:59 PMjyotish-vidya <jyotish- vidya%40gro ups.com> Re: Re: Gulika in lagna.Dear Ash,///You had asked for opinion and I gave my opinion. No need to lectureme onwhat is list policy of JV as I am aware of it and many a times I havesentmails first to your private email address to make sure that it would notcreate any confusion.// /Your opinion is appreciated, Ash, and no lecture was intended.Ash : Thanks and I do enjoy writing on your list as my impression about youover the years is that you do keep an open mind especially where someonetalks about techniques that Parasara has mentioned. I did take a lot oftime of my day to compose that email and write the mail because of this. Ifelt that I can share my opinion freely, as long as I did not write thingsthat confuses members.///Systems Approach is a creation by Professor VK Choudhary. KAS is apart ofVA and has been kept in the lineage of Krushna ji's Guru ji. All thelawsof VA are followed only in the system of KAS. Please make a note of thisaswell. From what you have written, it seems that you are under theimpression that all this KAS is a new creation and that what makes itunique.///Those who practice Krushna's ashtakavarga system and those who practicethe Systems approach as well as those who practice KP all maintain thattheir system is based (purely) on the laws(?) of VA. Of course this istrue (to a point). However, the fact remains that these systems do havetheir own unique interpretation of the laws(?) of VA.Ash : KP uses Placedius house system, its not given in BPHS, SA is usingthe MT sign of Mo to be Cancer, that is also not given in BPHS. In KAS, itsinstructed that one must know and be good at VA principles and then use theKAS system for Timing of Events. I am not clear on what you mean by uniqueinterpretation of the law of VA?On the contrary one must know VA first. So I am not clear, maybe its yourlack of knowledge of KAS that is making you come to this conclusion.Infact you took something from what was written in the preface, and thenmade a comment on it, without understanding the depth of system. Its liketaking one verse from BPHS and then forming a judgement. That is notcorrect. I am saying this from studying years of KAS and you are making ajudgment based on no knowledge of KAS. That is not a fair basis to judge.I think you will agree with me.On the contrary the laws of VA can be explained using KAS or Ashtakavargasystem as the final result will be in numerical format and that cannot bemanipulated or changed.Please read what I have read above with a calm mind otherwise it might getyou irritated AND that is NOT my intension at all.///Regarding discussion of Indira Gandhi's chartI shall not write on that here as I don't think you or anyone else willunderstand it.///Is such a remark really necessary, Ash? Obviously I have not made a studyof Krushna's method...you know this! Even those who apply ashtakavargaregularly in their interpretation would be at a loss with Krushna'smethod unless they had studied it in depth.It seems that my earlier remark has unwittingly ruffled your feathers. Ican only apologise for my insensitivity and assure you that wasn't myintention... .meant only to draw attention to the fact that we here areNOT versed in Krushna's unique method.Ash : I just sent a mail on Indira Gandhi's chart before reading this mailas it was sitting in my outbox. Wendy, I have my own conscience as well andI felt that I should not have written the above. Therefore I did do a quitea detailed analysis and have sent my opinion on the chart and also I got achance to go though your chart and have put some points there as well. Ihave not used anything for Timing of Event but I have used the VA portion asmuch as I could. If you find anything confusing or anything that is not VA,do point it out and I will make a note of it so that next time I will avoidwriting such things to confuse members here.I would be lying if I said that I was not upset at first reading your emailbut I do know and have seen you and your writings since the days on DasGoravani's list and even before you created your first list and I was amember of that as well. I have seen you go though so many difficult timesas u have been sharing that with the list. So I did feel that I should havekept more calm but then, everyone has their off days. I do believe that VAand KAS are no different as I have studied both in quite a lot of detail,that said, in the larger gist of things, you might have begun your Jyotishstudies before I was born :-) so if my understanding lacks in some areas,try to explain that and I try to understand how you are approaching a chartand I do take your experience into account of so many years and solving somany charts. Just for an example in your chart and i that of Indira Gandhischart you did find MT taking precedence over the non MT house and I didconsider that and did try to find the reason using Ashtakavarga and I didfind that in both cases its in line. Yes, but you also must appreciate oratleast try to that in both cases what I am saying is also in line and thatwith the calculation I have given I am getting a mathematical ratio of whichhouse the lord is more like along with a mathematical proportion. With whatyou write that in Indira Gandhis or your chart, Ju is representing bothhouse in your case 12th and 3rd and in Indira Gandhis chart 6th and 9th andits more towards MT, so here you are not being exact (as per what youwrote), but u are experiencing that MT is taking a precedence AND Ju ISrepresenting BOTH but with MT having a higher weightage, and with KAS or sayusing Ashtakavarga you can or are able to judge the PROPORTION in a moreconcrete way.I once again am saying that if this email upset's your, it is not myintension.Thanks for Listening.Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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