Kendradhipati Dosha

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

Would you people here to discuss about Kendradhipati Dosha.To

start off -

Kendras are the 1,4,7,10 Houses. Benefics owning these houses, causes them

to loose their benefic qualities.

 

Kendras show the hardwork we put in this life and Konas show the

'abilities,qualities' we are naturally bless with.So benefics owning these,

should help us with patience,tolerance etc. Whats the rationale behind this

concept os a Dosha ?

All your views are welcome,

thanks in advance,

phani

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Phani,

 

///Would you people here to discuss about Kendradhipati Dosha.To

start off -

Kendras are the 1,4,7,10 Houses. Benefics owning these houses, causes

them

to loose their benefic qualities.///

 

See BPHS Ch.34: 8-10 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm

*In revealing maleficence due to angular rulership, the Moon, Mercury,

Jupiter, and Venus are significant in the ascending order.*

 

Looking at your chart quickly,Phani, it's seen that Jupiter owns two

kendras (1/4). However, as lagna is also classified as a trine, Jupiter

is considered neutral in your instance.

It would be worthwhile taking a look at the classics (freely available)

on JyotishVidya.com. from time to time :-)

 

///Kendras show the hardwork we put in this life and Konas show the

'abilities,qualities' we are naturally bless with.So benefics owning

these,

should help us with patience,tolerance etc. Whats the rationale behind

this

concept os a Dosha ?///

 

To put it more correctly, the kendras are expressed outwardly whilst the

konas express more inner qualities. For instance; a YogaKaraka (owning

both a kendra and a kona), indicates such inner qualities would be fully

expressed. As an example you might take a look at Paramahansa Yogananda's

chart, with YogaKaraka Mars, conjunct Jupiter, in 8th (moksha) bhava.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" Phani " <phani86

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:13 PM

Kendradhipati Dosha

 

 

Dear all,

Would you people here to discuss about Kendradhipati Dosha.To

start off -

Kendras are the 1,4,7,10 Houses. Benefics owning these houses, causes

them

to loose their benefic qualities.

 

Kendras show the hardwork we put in this life and Konas show the

'abilities,qualities' we are naturally bless with.So benefics owning

these,

should help us with patience,tolerance etc. Whats the rationale behind

this

concept os a Dosha ?

All your views are welcome,

thanks in advance,

phani

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy,

thanks for the link. So if you just go by thumb

rule - benefics owning any of Kendras gives this Dosha.Then, practically

every other Lagna Ascendant ( from Aries to Pisces ) gives this weakness to

a benefic planet. ??

How frequently do astrologers here use this concept ? because i have seen,

all thumb rules in BPHS dont appear in charts, exactly. * " Other placements

/ planets are to be seen for a complete picture " * is what i hear from

astrologers. In that context, how much importance does this Dosha get ?

 

and you have a Good collection in ur Download Section. Will go through these

books now

thanks,

phani

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Phani,

 

The mistake many astrologers make is to apply " thumb rules "

indiscriminately without balancing those rules with other relevant

factors. It's also important to understand that, although a natural

benefic owning a kendra loses it's beneficence to some degree, it does

not become a malefic in the sense of a true malefic such as Saturn or

Mars for instance. It would probably be better to say that it's

beneficence is flawed...this by BTW can be annulled if the benefic planet

is well-placed in (another) kendra, or a kona. We should also consider

such things as the dignity of the navamsha lord holding the said planet

etc, etc..

 

The point, as already stated, is that " thumb rules " need to be

intelligently assessed according to the individual horoscope...no two

horoscopes are identical.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" Phani " <phani86

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:33 PM

Re: Kendradhipati Dosha

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

thanks for the link. So if you just go by thumb

rule - benefics owning any of Kendras gives this Dosha.Then, practically

every other Lagna Ascendant ( from Aries to Pisces ) gives this weakness

to

a benefic planet. ??

How frequently do astrologers here use this concept ? because i have

seen,

all thumb rules in BPHS dont appear in charts, exactly. * " Other

placements

/ planets are to be seen for a complete picture " * is what i hear from

astrologers. In that context, how much importance does this Dosha get ?

 

and you have a Good collection in ur Download Section. Will go through

these

books now

thanks,

phani

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

       I noted with interest Mrs. Wendy's comment particularly drawing our

attention to focus on the placement of the concerned palnet both in Rasi and

Navamsha before coming to any conclusion.In this context I may be permitted to

add a few lines too.

       In Kendraadhipatya dosha, general rule seems to be that naturally benefic

planets which are owners of Kendra-(s) are apt to become ill-disposed and this

effect gets accentuated when they are actuallly also posted in a Kendra

position.Interestingly, by another rule naturally malefic planets which own

Kendra-(s) and which are also posited in a Kendra may have their potential to

produce ill-effects reduced.

       Further, in the case of a natural benefic turning malefic--the degree of

maleficence varies according to its owning a Kendra which may be its

Moolatrikona, debilitation,sign (inimical,friendly,exaltation)--the malificence

decreasing in that order.

       The planets having dual-lordship, however may depict a tinge of the

other-house-effects simultaneously which may slightly affect the result.

       Last but not the least,the effect of Kendraadhipatya Dosha (Like any

other yoga/dosha) must be expected to manifest themselves most significantly

when the Mahadasa-s and Bhukti-s of the planets holding such ownership and

occupancy come to operate in the individual's life.

 

Warm rgds

V V R

22-02-09

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear VVR,

 

///In Kendraadhipatya dosha, general rule seems to be that naturally

benefic planets which are owners of Kendra-(s) are apt to become

ill-disposed and this effect gets accentuated when they are actuallly

also posted in a Kendra position.Interestingly, by another rule naturally

malefic planets which own Kendra-(s) and which are also posited in a

Kendra may have their potential to produce ill-effects reduced.///

 

For the benefit of others, it would be good if you could give actual

(scriptural) reference to support these rules...

 

To back my earlier statement, I have two examples of Moon owning a kendra

and placed in another kendra. One (7th lord in 10th) has proved somewhat

troublesome, the other (10th lord in 4th) highly beneficial. As I said

earlier, every chart is unique and must be judged on it's own merits.

Just very quickly (for now) you might note that 7th is a maraka sthana...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" V V R " <avmvyh

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, February 23, 2009 2:52 AM

Re: Kendradhipati Dosha

 

 

Dear friends,

I noted with interest Mrs. Wendy's comment particularly drawing our

attention to focus on the placement of the concerned palnet both in Rasi

and Navamsha before coming to any conclusion.In this context I may be

permitted to add a few lines too.

In Kendraadhipatya dosha, general rule seems to be that naturally benefic

planets which are owners of Kendra-(s) are apt to become ill-disposed and

this effect gets accentuated when they are actuallly also posted in a

Kendra position.Interestingly, by another rule naturally malefic planets

which own Kendra-(s) and which are also posited in a Kendra may have

their potential to produce ill-effects reduced.

Further, in the case of a natural benefic turning malefic--the degree of

maleficence varies according to its owning a Kendra which may be its

Moolatrikona, debilitation,sign (inimical,friendly,exaltation)--the

malificence decreasing in that order.

The planets having dual-lordship, however may depict a tinge of the

other-house-effects simultaneously which may slightly affect the result.

Last but not the least,the effect of Kendraadhipatya Dosha (Like any

other yoga/dosha) must be expected to manifest themselves most

significantly when the Mahadasa-s and Bhukti-s of the planets holding

such ownership and occupancy come to operate in the individual's life.

 

Warm rgds

V V R

22-02-09

 

 

 

One's life changes the moment one makes a new, congruent, and committed

decision..

[Guest guest]

///the other (10th lord in 4th) highly beneficial.///

 

PS: Bear in mind that, from 4th, 10th lord is aspecting it's own home.

 

Intelligent use of these " thumb rules " is absolutely necessary!

_

 

 

Dear VVR,

 

///In Kendraadhipatya dosha, general rule seems to be that naturally

benefic planets which are owners of Kendra-(s) are apt to become

ill-disposed and this effect gets accentuated when they are actuallly

also posted in a Kendra position.Interestingly, by another rule naturally

malefic planets which own Kendra-(s) and which are also posited in a

Kendra may have their potential to produce ill-effects reduced.///

 

For the benefit of others, it would be good if you could give actual

(scriptural) reference to support these rules...

 

To back my earlier statement, I have two examples of Moon owning a kendra

and placed in another kendra. One (7th lord in 10th) has proved somewhat

troublesome, the other (10th lord in 4th) highly beneficial. As I said

earlier, every chart is unique and must be judged on it's own merits.

Just very quickly (for now) you might note that 7th is a maraka sthana...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" V V R " <avmvyh

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, February 23, 2009 2:52 AM

Re: Kendradhipati Dosha

 

 

Dear friends,

I noted with interest Mrs. Wendy's comment particularly drawing our

attention to focus on the placement of the concerned palnet both in Rasi

and Navamsha before coming to any conclusion.In this context I may be

permitted to add a few lines too.

In Kendraadhipatya dosha, general rule seems to be that naturally benefic

planets which are owners of Kendra-(s) are apt to become ill-disposed and

this effect gets accentuated when they are actuallly also posted in a

Kendra position.Interestingly, by another rule naturally malefic planets

which own Kendra-(s) and which are also posited in a Kendra may have

their potential to produce ill-effects reduced.

Further, in the case of a natural benefic turning malefic--the degree of

maleficence varies according to its owning a Kendra which may be its

Moolatrikona, debilitation,sign (inimical,friendly,exaltation)--the

malificence decreasing in that order.

The planets having dual-lordship, however may depict a tinge of the

other-house-effects simultaneously which may slightly affect the result.

Last but not the least,the effect of Kendraadhipatya Dosha (Like any

other yoga/dosha) must be expected to manifest themselves most

significantly when the Mahadasa-s and Bhukti-s of the planets holding

such ownership and occupancy come to operate in the individual's life.

 

Warm rgds

V V R

22-02-09

 

 

 

One's life changes the moment one makes a new, congruent, and committed

decision..

[Guest guest]

Thank you all, for your time and participation

Your experience is very much helpful.

 

But i cant understand the logic of the examples Mrs Wendy stated :

1 ) Moon 7th Lord in 10th was a bit troublesome.

2 ) Moon 10th Lord in 4th is highly beneficial.

 

I just guess, in case 1 ) Moon was a maraka sthana Lord + probably a

Badhaka Lord also,

or it must be something related to Moon's waxing / waning phases which

govern his beneficial / malefic tendency.

regards,

phani

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Phani,

 

///I just guess, in case 1 ) Moon was a maraka sthana Lord + probably a

Badhaka Lord also///

 

Please try to grasp the fact that badhaka belongs to the Jaimini

sign-specific dasa systems. It's quite obvious from the questions you've

posed that your understanding is based on information gained from those

who mistakenly apply Jaimini principles to the principles governing

Parasara's graha-specific dasa system.

 

If you'd taken the time to read the welcome message on our group webpage

jyotish-vidya/ you would be aware that JV

does not support this mixing of Jaimini and Parasara.

 

I've already wasted enough time (neglecting other posts) on this type of

questioning. I think perhaps you should save your questions for groups

that support your views.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

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" Phani " <phani86

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, February 23, 2009 12:02 PM

Re: Kendradhipati Dosha

 

 

Thank you all, for your time and participation

Your experience is very much helpful.

 

But i cant understand the logic of the examples Mrs Wendy stated :

1 ) Moon 7th Lord in 10th was a bit troublesome.

2 ) Moon 10th Lord in 4th is highly beneficial.

 

I just guess, in case 1 ) Moon was a maraka sthana Lord + probably a

Badhaka Lord also,

or it must be something related to Moon's waxing / waning phases which

govern his beneficial / malefic tendency.

regards,

phani

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

When we talk of functional benefic/malefic status due to lordship, this

implies that the said planet can prove troublesome for that particular

ascendant. It does not mean that a natural benefic is no longer a benefic

by nature...simply that it may not give beneficial results for that

particular ascendant.

 

If we read Parasara Ch.34 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm we see that

10th lord Moon is considered neutral for Libra lagna, and in fact

produces a rajayoga when associated with Mercury. On the other hand, 7th

lord Moon is classed as malefic for Capricorn...due (obviously) to 7th

being a maraka sthana. We will certainly be in error if we apply

kendradhipati without due consideration.

 

In regards to Jaimini principles, if we consider the chara karakas for

instance...just one principle (commonly and erroneously) applied with

vimsottari (graha-specific) dasa, we find it's clearly stated in Jaimini

sutram (adh.1: Pada 2 - SU 121 http://jyotishvidya.com/adh1_2.htm that

the results stated will be experienced during the dasas of RASIS...etc..

 

The rule of thumb (to clear up the endless controversy) is that

rasi-specific principles (chara karakas, rasi aspects, badhaka etc) are

part of Jaimini's rasi-specific dasa system, whereas natural karakas,

graha aspects, nature due to lordship etc, apply to Parasara's

graha-specific dasa system...primarily vimsottari.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with following the Jaimini system if

that's where your interest lies, but you must make sure that you only

apply rasi-specific principles to rasi-specific dasas. This continual

mixing and matching of two very different techniques is based on

ignorance, I'm sorry to say.

 

I'm sure most of you have heard of V.K. Choudhry's " Systems Approach " .

Mr. Choudhry says this on his group webpage;

 

" If you are fed up with confusions, inconsistencies and contradictions in

Vedic astrology, you are welcome to learn the Systems' Approach to Vedic

Astrology. "

 

No doubt he's correct! We can easily find ourselves in an endless maze of

contradictions if we continue to mix these two systems together.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Sorry for the goof up. I will make sure i

dont mixup these two techniques from hereon.

thanks,

phani

 

On 2/23/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> When we talk of functional benefic/malefic status due to lordship, this

> implies that the said planet can prove troublesome for that particular

> ascendant. It does not mean that a natural benefic is no longer a benefic

> by nature...simply that it may not give beneficial results for that

> particular ascendant.

>

> If we read Parasara Ch.34 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm we see that

> 10th lord Moon is considered neutral for Libra lagna, and in fact

> produces a rajayoga when associated with Mercury. On the other hand, 7th

> lord Moon is classed as malefic for Capricorn...due (obviously) to 7th

> being a maraka sthana. We will certainly be in error if we apply

> kendradhipati without due consideration.

>

> In regards to Jaimini principles, if we consider the chara karakas for

> instance...just one principle (commonly and erroneously) applied with

> vimsottari (graha-specific) dasa, we find it's clearly stated in Jaimini

> sutram (adh.1: Pada 2 - SU 121 http://jyotishvidya.com/adh1_2.htm that

> the results stated will be experienced during the dasas of RASIS...etc..

>

> The rule of thumb (to clear up the endless controversy) is that

> rasi-specific principles (chara karakas, rasi aspects, badhaka etc) are

> part of Jaimini's rasi-specific dasa system, whereas natural karakas,

> graha aspects, nature due to lordship etc, apply to Parasara's

> graha-specific dasa system...primarily vimsottari.

>

> There's absolutely nothing wrong with following the Jaimini system if

> that's where your interest lies, but you must make sure that you only

> apply rasi-specific principles to rasi-specific dasas. This continual

> mixing and matching of two very different techniques is based on

> ignorance, I'm sorry to say.

>

> I'm sure most of you have heard of V.K. Choudhry's " Systems Approach " .

> Mr. Choudhry says this on his group webpage;

>

> " If you are fed up with confusions, inconsistencies and contradictions in

> Vedic astrology, you are welcome to learn the Systems' Approach to Vedic

> Astrology. "

>

> No doubt he's correct! We can easily find ourselves in an endless maze of

> contradictions if we continue to mix these two systems together.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

>

>

 

 

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