Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are. If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the deeper knowledge of the acaryas. Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most strongly. If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the owner of his sign. This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. Here is some evidence: One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in interpretation. In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical appearance!?!?!? Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic enjoyments!!! Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this technique instead. Yours, Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Vic, Whenever you use a particular example to support a hypothesise you should include the data for that example. I await the data for Sri Krishna's chart... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http:/JyotishVidya.com _________________________________ - vic jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:03 AM Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are. If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the deeper knowledge of the acaryas. Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most strongly. If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the owner of his sign. This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. Here is some evidence: One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in interpretation. In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical appearance!?!?!? Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic enjoyments!!! Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this technique instead. Yours, Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3734 (20090103) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Mr Vic, You are true in the sense that nodes to some extent have no status of their own but induce results with some association of houses and rulers. If legendary krishna has rahu in taurus it has provided a rare sense of reading the minds of his folks around.ketu in 7th never allowed him to be true and selfless andstick to his one spouse.In puranic he has bahu bharyas. To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " >the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored. Rahu joining with venus in any house and the tendencies that arise in such a situation is that one can not understand what actually is false and true.Rahu's uncanny nature with saturn gets enhance.where as ketu with kuja or mars brings in fiery element and makes one to be stubborn and very secretive,inevitable in most of scorpios.Both together contribute for 26 years of combined dasa strength.This consideration too is neede when we judge about these nodses otherwise known to be shadow planets.Impact of these shadow planets need consideration during dasa time. If that lord has rahu in lagna ,me with the namesake krishna too with nodes in 6/12 axis hapeened to be trouble shooters vrkrishnan A Happy new year! --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya Saturday, January 3, 2009, 9:19 PM Dear Vic, Whenever you use a particular example to support a hypothesise you should include the data for that example. I await the data for Sri Krishna's chart... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http:/JyotishVidya. com ____________ _________ _________ ___ - vic jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:03 AM Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are. If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the deeper knowledge of the acaryas. Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most strongly. If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the owner of his sign. This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. Here is some evidence: One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in interpretation. In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical appearance!? !?!? Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic enjoyments!! ! Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this technique instead. Yours, Vic DiCara www.vicdicara. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3734 (20090103) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Vic ji, ///Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence./// As per Sani vad Rahu and Kuja vad Ketu, Rahu is the co-lord of Kumba and Ketu is the co-lord of Vrichaka. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vic ji,  I am of the opinion that though there is no ownership attached to Rahu and Ketu, the signs for their exaltation and debility have been mentioned.  Exaltation for Rahu is Taurus and for Ketu it is Scorpio , their debility is exactly opposite.  The reference for the same is available in the book - A catechism of astrology - By B.V.Raman. The book mentions that authoritative books like  Parasara hora and Saravali put forwards this view. There is also a minor view mentioned in Jataka parijata ,Jyotisthatwa that Gemini and Sagitarius are the exaltation signs for rahu and ketu respectively.  Warm Regards  Nilesh   --- On Sun, 4/1/09, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 1:25 PM Vic ji, ///Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence./// As per Sani vad Rahu and Kuja vad Ketu, Rahu is the co-lord of Kumba and Ketu is the co-lord of Vrichaka. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji. ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vic, Your hypothesis is flawed! I suggest you study Parasara carefully and try to learn from this great sage. Please read the chapter relating to Rahu's Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch47.htm Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - vic jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:03 AM Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are. If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the deeper knowledge of the acaryas. Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most strongly. If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the owner of his sign. This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. Here is some evidence: One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in interpretation. In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical appearance!?!?!? Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic enjoyments!!! Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this technique instead. Yours, Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3734 (20090103) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Wendy, I hope you are well. Regarding actual birth data of I do not have an actual standard format date. It has been said: " It was only on the eighth day of the second fortnight, in the month of Sravana when, the moon entered the house of Vrishabha in Rohini Nakshatra (star) that Lord appeared. According to Barhapatyamana, the month of Sravana corresponds to the month of Bhadrapada Krishnapaksha. Lord was born in the year of Visvavasu, appx. 5,227 years ago. " However I myself you a poem by Jayadeva Goswami (if memory serves) to construct Krishna's rashi. This rashi is widely accepted by authorities (for example, it appears on the cover of the authoritative book, Light on Life by Hart de Fouw). The plancements are: Asc - Taurus / Rohini 1st House: Moon / Ketu [non-difference between physical (asc) mental (moon) and psychic-spiritual (ketu) nature of Sri Krishna] 4th House (Leo): Sun (Krishna's identity is firmly rooted in deepest self) 5th House (Virgo): Mercury 6th House (Libra): Venus + Saturn (my favorite combination, raja yoga - no one could defeat Krishna, even as an infant great anti-gods could not harm him) 7th House (Scorpio): Rahu (10,108 wives, approx.) 9th House (Capricorn): Mars 11th House (Pisces): Jupiter Regarding Krishna's unparalleled musical talents: exalted 3rd lord in the 1st. exalted 5th lord in the 5th. self-houses 11th lord in the 11th. !!! =) =) =) !!! You can't help but love Krishna. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > Whenever you use a particular example to support a hypothesise you should include the data for that example. > > I await the data for Sri Krishna's chart... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs.Wendy > http:/JyotishVidya.com > _________________________________ > > > - > vic > jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:03 AM > Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. > > > Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. > > For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make > Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to > their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this > effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important > at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu > actually are. > > If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this > effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the > deeper knowledge of the acaryas. > > Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They > simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign > or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation > skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can > determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. > > If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? > The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most > strongly. > > If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the > strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being > debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the > strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu > will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu > is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, > debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive > then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the > owner of his sign. > > This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the > time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets > with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. > Here is some evidence: > > One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and > therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking > this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in > interpretation. > > In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri > Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. > Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived > has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical > appearance!?!?!? > > Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest > that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give > effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in > Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu > and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus > participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also > influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. > > On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes > (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily > bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the > results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. > > In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) > and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! > > Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous > irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding > Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, > irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic > enjoyments!!! > > Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc > about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this > technique instead. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3734 (20090103) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Krishna, > If legendary krishna has rahu in taurus it has provided a rare sense of reading the minds of his folks around.ketu in 7th never allowed him to be true and selfless andstick to his one spouse.In puranic he has bahu bharyas. Krishna has KETU in taurus, lagna. Not Rahu. But I believe this is simply a typo on your part the other meanings are correct. A vaishya or kshatriya need not have one spouse. It is not a moral deficiency. Please do not critize Krishna who is bhakta-vatsala. It is because of his sworn duty to reciprocate the love of his bhakta that Sri Krishna cannot " stick to " one specific woman. HOWEVER - this is all shallow understandings for those not gifted the ability to understand the inner meanings of Krishna-tattva. In truth Krishna's ONE AND ONLY LOVE is SRI RADHA. All other bhakti and all other bhaktas simply manifest variations of the energies of Sri Radha. But yes, Rahu in 7th influenced by expansive and pleasure-bringing Jupiter from meena/pisces in the 11th is a key-in to Krishna's frankly unparalleled " bahu bharya " polygamy! Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 > ///Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence./// > > As per Sani vad Rahu and Kuja vad Ketu, Rahu is the co-lord of Kumba and Ketu is the co-lord of Vrichaka. > Balaji, May this bring you better results than it has brought me. Merry new year! - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 jyotish-vidya , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 > Exaltation for Rahu is Taurus and for Ketu it is Scorpio , > their debility is exactly opposite. Dear Nilesh, yes the point of my post is that I disagree with the IMPORTANCE of this. Please read my original post again for the reasoning and full explanation. Thanks, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > Your hypothesis is flawed! I suggest you study Parasara carefully and try to learn from this great sage. Please read the chapter relating to Rahu's Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs. Dear Wendy, Please re-read my original post. I have already included reference to this information. Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vic, ///Please re-read my original post. I have already included reference to this information./// I had indeed read your original post, Vic, and am quite amazed that, so early in your studies, you feel (as evidenced in the following statement) that your experience, insight and wisdom surpasses that of the sages. ///Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this technique instead./// I, of course, disagree with your hypothesis (as I did with your argument that there is no such thing as fate/destiny). However, be that as it may, I must ask you to respect the intention of this group which, as you should know by now, is to promote the discussion of Vedic astrology as taught by the great sage Maharishi Parashara...not as taught by Victor DiCara! It's one thing to expand on the dictums of Parasara by offering our own insight (developed over many years), it's quite another for a novice, with less than a year's study behind him, to continually contradict these dictums, and, horror of horrors, to teach these contradictory principles to unsuspecting students. You're offering a course in Vedic astrology on your website http://www.vicdicara.com/astrology_course.php which, in my opinion, you are not qualified to give...a case of the blind leading the blind and I wish you would return to studying the classics and gain more experience with interpreting horoscopes before you think of teaching others. I'm sorry Vic, but this really does need to be said. When I suggested that you should offer readings, in order to gain experience, I never meant to imply that you were ready (or capable) of teaching this vast knowledge to others. And, most certainly, NOT to promte these erroneous teachings here on Jyotish-Vidya. Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " Victor Damien DiCara " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 05, 2009 5:53 AM Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > Your hypothesis is flawed! I suggest you study Parasara carefully and try to learn from this great sage. Please read the chapter relating to Rahu's Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs. Dear Wendy, Please re-read my original post. I have already included reference to this information. Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vic, we are only trying to explore the nodal effects anf the likely behaviour.Not about Krishna or about his credentials.Particularly,the one and only one known to have conveyed to the universe Geeta is always respected. Let's focus only on Rahu and ketu as nodes and effects they show in the signs they occupy and the houses they influence. Classics,have made very clear and envisaged the influnces that Rahu and Ketu make on any body;s life depending on their position,placement and degrees.They also are assigned importance with specific number of years of dasa in vimsottari.These issues can never be ignored vrkishnan ________________________________ Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara jyotish-vidya Monday, January 5, 2009 2:18:51 AM Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Krishna, > If legendary krishna has rahu in taurus it has provided a rare sense of reading the minds of his folks around.ketu in 7th never allowed him to be true and selfless andstick to his one spouse.In puranic he has bahu bharyas. Krishna has KETU in taurus, lagna. Not Rahu. But I believe this is simply a typo on your part the other meanings are correct. A vaishya or kshatriya need not have one spouse. It is not a moral deficiency. Please do not critize Krishna who is bhakta-vatsala. It is because of his sworn duty to reciprocate the love of his bhakta that Sri Krishna cannot " stick to " one specific woman. HOWEVER - this is all shallow understandings for those not gifted the ability to understand the inner meanings of Krishna-tattva. In truth Krishna's ONE AND ONLY LOVE is SRI RADHA. All other bhakti and all other bhaktas simply manifest variations of the energies of Sri Radha. But yes, Rahu in 7th influenced by expansive and pleasure-bringing Jupiter from meena/pisces in the 11th is a key-in to Krishna's frankly unparalleled " bahu bharya " polygamy! Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara " " " 'Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha --- On Sun, 1/4/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 4, 2009, 8:23 PM Dear Vic, we are only trying to explore the nodal effects anf the likely behaviour.Not about Krishna or about his credentials. Particularly, the one and only one known to have conveyed to the universe Geeta is always respected. Let's focus only on Rahu and ketu as nodes and effects they show in the signs they occupy and the houses they influence. Classics,have made very clear and envisaged the influnces that Rahu and Ketu make on any body;s life depending on their position,placement and degrees.They also are assigned importance with specific number of years of dasa in vimsottari.These issues can never be ignored vrkishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> jyotish-vidya Monday, January 5, 2009 2:18:51 AM Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Krishna, > If legendary krishna has rahu in taurus it has provided a rare sense of reading the minds of his folks around.ketu in 7th never allowed him to be true and selfless andstick to his one spouse.In puranic he has bahu bharyas. Krishna has KETU in taurus, lagna. Not Rahu. But I believe this is simply a typo on your part the other meanings are correct. A vaishya or kshatriya need not have one spouse. It is not a moral deficiency. Please do not critize Krishna who is bhakta-vatsala. It is because of his sworn duty to reciprocate the love of his bhakta that Sri Krishna cannot " stick to " one specific woman. HOWEVER - this is all shallow understandings for those not gifted the ability to understand the inner meanings of Krishna-tattva. In truth Krishna's ONE AND ONLY LOVE is SRI RADHA. All other bhakti and all other bhaktas simply manifest variations of the energies of Sri Radha. But yes, Rahu in 7th influenced by expansive and pleasure-bringing Jupiter from meena/pisces in the 11th is a key-in to Krishna's frankly unparalleled " bahu bharya " polygamy! Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Uttara, Just a brief (personal) message if I may :-) I tried phoning you to alert you to the fact that I was unable to access the internet. But the phone just rang out. I'm not even sure if I rang the right number...but I did try :-) Anyway, back on line again (for now at least) so the panic is over... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 05, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara " " " 'Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Not to worry. Figured something was up. My 800 number is no longer connected. Although thanks for trying. Will catch up with you privately. Glad things are working out. As always, Uttara " " " 'Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 4, 2009, 10:20 PM Dear Uttara, Just a brief (personal) message if I may :-) I tried phoning you to alert you to the fact that I was unable to access the internet. But the phone just rang out. I'm not even sure if I rang the right number...but I did try :-) Anyway, back on line again (for now at least) so the panic is over... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara " " " 'Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Tathastu Namaskar jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > ///Please re-read my original post. I have already included reference to > this information./// > > I had indeed read your original post, Vic, and am quite amazed that, so > early in your studies, you feel (as evidenced in the following statement) > that your experience, insight and wisdom surpasses that of the sages. > > ///Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc > about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this > technique instead./// > > I, of course, disagree with your hypothesis (as I did with your argument > that there is no such thing as fate/destiny). However, be that as it may, I > must ask you to respect the intention of this group which, as you should > know by now, is to promote the discussion of Vedic astrology as taught by > the great sage Maharishi Parashara...not as taught by Victor DiCara! > > It's one thing to expand on the dictums of Parasara by offering our own > insight (developed over many years), it's quite another for a novice, with > less than a year's study behind him, to continually contradict these > dictums, and, horror of horrors, to teach these contradictory principles to > unsuspecting students. > > You're offering a course in Vedic astrology on your website > http://www.vicdicara.com/astrology_course.php which, in my opinion, you are > not qualified to give...a case of the blind leading the blind and I wish you > would return to studying the classics and gain more experience with > interpreting horoscopes before you think of teaching others. > > I'm sorry Vic, but this really does need to be said. When I suggested that > you should offer readings, in order to gain experience, I never meant to > imply that you were ready (or capable) of teaching this vast knowledge to > others. And, most certainly, NOT to promte these erroneous teachings here on > Jyotish-Vidya. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ________________________ > > > - > " Victor Damien DiCara " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, January 05, 2009 5:53 AM > Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > Your hypothesis is flawed! I suggest you study Parasara carefully > and try to learn from this great sage. Please read the chapter > relating to Rahu's Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs. > > Dear Wendy, > > Please re-read my original post. I have already included reference to > this information. > > Yours, > Vic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Oh....my God... Regads, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , vic <vicdicara wrote: > > Rahu and Ketu own no houses. Period. Dot. End of sentence. > > For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make > Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to > their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this > effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important > at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu > actually are. > > If you accept at face-value any statements from acaryas to this > effect, you may render yourself unable to receive the blessings of the > deeper knowledge of the acaryas. > > Rahu and Ketu are IMPERSONATORS. That is their essential nature. They > simply DO NOT own any houses and simply DO NOT have an exaltation sign > or a debilitation sign. However what they DO have is impersonation > skills. They impersonate their influences and THAT is how you can > determine if they are " exalted " or " debilitated " , etc. > > If Ketu is in Scorpio, for example, is he exalted? debilitated? etc??? > The answer is: IT DEPENDS! It depends on who is influencing Ketu most > strongly. > > If Ketu is conjunct the Moon in Scorpio, and if the Moon is the > strongest influence on Ketu, then Ketu will give the effects of being > debilitated (because the Moon is debilitated in Scorpio). Or, if the > strongest influence on Ketu is the aspect of an exalted planet - Ketu > will imitate that exalted planet. Or if the strongest effect on Ketu > is simply his dispositor, then Ketu will imitate the dignity (exalted, > debilitated, etc.) of his dispositor. And if even that is inconclusive > then simply judge Ketu based on his degree of friendship with the > owner of his sign. > > This point of view will and should become widely accepted, and the > time spent trying to treat Rahu and Ketu as one of the real planets > with ownerships and exaltations will finally decline and disappear. > Here is some evidence: > > One very widely held opinion is that Ketu is exalted in Scorpio and > therefore debilitated in Taurus. Let us examine the merit of taking > this at face value and considering it to be an important factor in > interpretation. > > In Vedic history the most beautiful person who ever lived is Sri > Krishna. Sri Krishna's 1st House is Taurus. In this house he has Ketu. > Is it reasonable to say that the most beautiful person who ever lived > has a debilitated planet in the house which determines his physical > appearance!?!?!? > > Let's examine Sri Krishna's chart from the angle I suggest. I suggest > that Ketu and Rahu will impersonate their strongest influence and give > effects accordingly. The strongest influence on both Ketu and Rahu in > Sri Krishna's horoscope is his exalted Moon. Additionally, both Ketu > and Rahu have Venus as their " landlord " or house owner - and Venus > participates in an EXTREMELY powerful positive Raja Yoga. Rahu is also > influenced by Jupiter from his own sign of Pisces. > > On this basis, using my approach, one would expect Krishna's nodes > (Rahu and Ketu) to primarily bestow exalted results, secondarily > bestow raja-yoga results, and for Rahu to additionally bestow the > results of a sva-ksetri ( " self housed " ) Jupiter. > > In fact if you were Krishna's astrologer (how awesome would that be!?) > and you used this approach you would hit a bulls-eye from a mile away! > > Witness Krishna's unparalleled yet dark, dangerous and scandalous > irresistible beauty bestowed by Ketu in his first house. And regarding > Rahu in his 7th, witness Krishna's unparalleled scandalous, beautiful, > irresistible and exceedingly bountiful and rather " wild " romantic > enjoyments!!! > > Therefore I request all astrologers to please stop posting blogs etc > about what signs Ketu or Rahu " co-own " or whatnot. Please apply this > technique instead. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Uttara, Parasara teaches that the Nodes, like other grahas, function well in certain signs and not so well in others. In Aquarius Rahu behaves as though in own sign; and, as we know, a planet in own sign or exaltation is said to be in a state of awakening (or alertness). In it's sign of debilitation it is in a state of sleeping. No doubt, as Vic indicated, the Nodes are greatly influenced (for better or worse) by their associations but it would be a mistake to ignore their dignity as placed in particular signs. The enlightened sages have given us the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs for the Nodes because they deem this an important consideration. Who are we to contradict and disrespectfully refer to the ancient sages as " people who have for centuries TRIED to figure out what houses would make Rahu exalted etc.. " Vic Wrote: ///For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are./// I find this an extremely disrespectful statement...reflecting the ignorance of a novice lacking in knowledge. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I probably would not be if Vic was not teaching courses in Vedic astrology. As we see from the below sloka Parasara was quite specific regarding the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs of the Nodes: *34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik.* He did go on to say that some sages had expressed other views. But, since this is a Parasara discussion group, it would be appropriate to abide by the dictums of Parasara. Also the point Krishna raised... ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. We have discussed previously (on this group) the strong relationship between the Nodes and Saturn/Mars. Perhaps other members might like to take this up again for the benefit of new members... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 05, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Correction: {Also the point Krishna raised... ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu.} My apologies Krishnan! It's getting late and I'm a little tired. Of course I meant to write Krishnan, but mistakenly wrote Krishna... ___________________________ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Cc: " vic " <vicdicara Monday, January 05, 2009 10:52 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Uttara, Parasara teaches that the Nodes, like other grahas, function well in certain signs and not so well in others. In Aquarius Rahu behaves as though in own sign; and, as we know, a planet in own sign or exaltation is said to be in a state of awakening (or alertness). In it's sign of debilitation it is in a state of sleeping. No doubt, as Vic indicated, the Nodes are greatly influenced (for better or worse) by their associations but it would be a mistake to ignore their dignity as placed in particular signs. The enlightened sages have given us the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs for the Nodes because they deem this an important consideration. Who are we to contradict and disrespectfully refer to the ancient sages as " people who have for centuries TRIED to figure out what houses would make Rahu exalted etc.. " Vic Wrote: ///For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are./// I find this an extremely disrespectful statement...reflecting the ignorance of a novice lacking in knowledge. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I probably would not be if Vic was not teaching courses in Vedic astrology. As we see from the below sloka Parasara was quite specific regarding the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs of the Nodes: *34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik.* He did go on to say that some sages had expressed other views. But, since this is a Parasara discussion group, it would be appropriate to abide by the dictums of Parasara. Also the point Krishna raised... ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. We have discussed previously (on this group) the strong relationship between the Nodes and Saturn/Mars. Perhaps other members might like to take this up again for the benefit of new members... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Actually, I would have said exactly the same thing. Hence, in essence you were right when you said Krishna instead of Krishnan :-) In am in full agreement about what you have said about nodes. Regards, Krishna On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidyawrote: > Correction: > > {Also the point Krishna raised... > > ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the > relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// > is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning > Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu.} > > My apologies Krishnan! It's getting late and I'm a little tired. Of course > I > meant to write Krishnan, but mistakenly wrote Krishna... > ___________________________ > > - > " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya<jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Cc: " vic " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>> > Monday, January 05, 2009 10:52 PM > Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. > > Dear Uttara, > > Parasara teaches that the Nodes, like other grahas, function well in > certain > signs and not so well in others. In Aquarius Rahu behaves as though in own > sign; and, as we know, a planet in own sign or exaltation is said to be in > a > state of awakening (or alertness). In it's sign of debilitation it is in a > state of sleeping. > > No doubt, as Vic indicated, the Nodes are greatly influenced (for better or > worse) by their associations but it would be a mistake to ignore their > dignity as placed in particular signs. The enlightened sages have given us > the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs for the Nodes because they deem this > an important consideration. Who are we to contradict and disrespectfully > refer to the ancient sages as " people who have for centuries TRIED to > figure > out what houses would make Rahu exalted etc.. " > > Vic Wrote: > ///For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make > Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to > their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this > effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important > at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu > actually are./// > > I find this an extremely disrespectful statement...reflecting the ignorance > of a novice lacking in knowledge. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I probably > would not be if Vic was not teaching courses in Vedic astrology. > > As we see from the below sloka Parasara was quite specific regarding the > Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs of the Nodes: > *34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first > mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The > exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is > Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own > Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik.* > > He did go on to say that some sages had expressed other views. But, since > this is a Parasara discussion group, it would be appropriate to abide by > the > dictums of Parasara. > > Also the point Krishna raised... > ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the > relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// > is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning > Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. > > We have discussed previously (on this group) the strong relationship > between > the Nodes and Saturn/Mars. Perhaps other members might like to take this up > again for the benefit of new members... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Krishna, As you can see I'm at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to names. My main point of concern was to distinguish between yourself and Vattem Krishnan :-) Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 05, 2009 11:29 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Mrs. Wendy, Actually, I would have said exactly the same thing. Hence, in essence you were right when you said Krishna instead of Krishnan :-) In am in full agreement about what you have said about nodes. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, me as vattem krishnan can be addressed as VK as uttara has once mentioned regards vakrishnan ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Monday, January 5, 2009 8:13:48 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Krishna, As you can see I'm at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to names. My main point of concern was to distinguish between yourself and Vattem Krishnan :-) Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, January 05, 2009 11:29 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Mrs. Wendy, Actually, I would have said exactly the same thing. Hence, in essence you were right when you said Krishna instead of Krishnan :-) In am in full agreement about what you have said about nodes. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thanks so much for this excellent clarification of Parasara. As Always, Uttara " " " 'Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. jyotish-vidya Cc: " vic " <vicdicara Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:52 AM Dear Uttara, Parasara teaches that the Nodes, like other grahas, function well in certain signs and not so well in others. In Aquarius Rahu behaves as though in own sign; and, as we know, a planet in own sign or exaltation is said to be in a state of awakening (or alertness). In it's sign of debilitation it is in a state of sleeping. No doubt, as Vic indicated, the Nodes are greatly influenced (for better or worse) by their associations but it would be a mistake to ignore their dignity as placed in particular signs. The enlightened sages have given us the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs for the Nodes because they deem this an important consideration. Who are we to contradict and disrespectfully refer to the ancient sages as " people who have for centuries TRIED to figure out what houses would make Rahu exalted etc.. " Vic Wrote: ///For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are./// I find this an extremely disrespectful statement... reflecting the ignorance of a novice lacking in knowledge. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I probably would not be if Vic was not teaching courses in Vedic astrology. As we see from the below sloka Parasara was quite specific regarding the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs of the Nodes: *34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik.* He did go on to say that some sages had expressed other views. But, since this is a Parasara discussion group, it would be appropriate to abide by the dictums of Parasara. Also the point Krishna raised... ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. We have discussed previously (on this group) the strong relationship between the Nodes and Saturn/Mars. Perhaps other members might like to take this up again for the benefit of new members... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Classicals are tried and tested versions for timess immemorial.It is we who out of our own desperation make unwanted inferences and get excited for no reasons.Even in uttara kalamrita it has been conveyed the role the nodes play and the effects there on. The very fact that they have definete number of years prescribed in Vimshottari dasa and as retrograde planets in no uncertain terms influence asterism by indicating their relationship with other planets,houses and signs with their dignity.There can never be two opinions in this regard.Your clarifications should help evry one of us to remove ambiguith in understanding the role of nodes. regards vrkrishnan ________________________________ Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Cc: vic <vicdicara Monday, January 5, 2009 7:22:19 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear Uttara, Parasara teaches that the Nodes, like other grahas, function well in certain signs and not so well in others. In Aquarius Rahu behaves as though in own sign; and, as we know, a planet in own sign or exaltation is said to be in a state of awakening (or alertness). In it's sign of debilitation it is in a state of sleeping. No doubt, as Vic indicated, the Nodes are greatly influenced (for better or worse) by their associations but it would be a mistake to ignore their dignity as placed in particular signs. The enlightened sages have given us the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs for the Nodes because they deem this an important consideration. Who are we to contradict and disrespectfully refer to the ancient sages as " people who have for centuries TRIED to figure out what houses would make Rahu exalted etc.. " Vic Wrote: ///For centuries people have TRIED to figure out what house would make Rahu exalted, or in moolatrikona, or what houses are equivalent to their " own " houses. With all due respect to those engaged in this effort, it is my decided opinion that such efforts are not important at all and actually confuse and miss the point of what Rahu and Ketu actually are./// I find this an extremely disrespectful statement... reflecting the ignorance of a novice lacking in knowledge. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I probably would not be if Vic was not teaching courses in Vedic astrology. As we see from the below sloka Parasara was quite specific regarding the Own, Exalted and Debilitated signs of the Nodes: *34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik.* He did go on to say that some sages had expressed other views. But, since this is a Parasara discussion group, it would be appropriate to abide by the dictums of Parasara. Also the point Krishna raised... ///To some extent we have to go with " Sanivada " Rahu and Kuja vada Ketu " the relationship of these nodes with two major planets can not be ignored./// is extremely important and confirms that Parasara was correct in assigning Aquarius as Own Sign for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. We have discussed previously (on this group) the strong relationship between the Nodes and Saturn/Mars. Perhaps other members might like to take this up again for the benefit of new members... Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Re: Rahu & Ketu Exaltation, etc. Dear VK and all, This is the perfect time to raise a question I have about the Nodes. I have been taught that the signs of the Nodes are of much less importance than their houses. Too, that some argue that Rahu is exalted in Gemini vs Taurus, because of Scorpio's behavior if Ketu was placed there. Can one advise the correct Parasara teaching? It would be most helpful. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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