Puzzle

December 1, 2008

Uttara ji,

I used the data you gave (June 4 1947; 07:35 AM; Denver, Colorado [39n44,

104w59, 7:00 West, no DST]) and got Lagna as Kataka [00-05] with Haydn's

Jyotish. I used 14:35 GMT with PC Jyotish and got the same figure. The " 7:00

West, no DST " came from nlogn.com.

Still, using Kataka as Lagna, we find that the native is running RA-BU-GU from

Sep-15-2008 to Jan-16-2009.

Rahu is in the 11th (6th from 6th of disease and 12th from 12th of feet).

Budha and Rahu are associated with skin.

Guru, the 6th lord of diseases, is placed in the 4th in own star and is

currently transiting the 6th in the star of 2nd lord Surya, who is conjunct Rahu

in the birth chart and occupies star of Chandra, who is neecha and conjunct

Ketu, which probably explains your line:

///I, for the life of me, am having the most difficult time trying to access

where this is coming from in his chart.///

Hope this explanation helps :-)

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

December 1, 2008

Dear Mrs. Uttara,

· In any chart, 12th House and 12th Lord stand for feet.

· In any chart, 6th House and 6th Lord are disease personified.

In the instant chart Cancer rising with Moon 28:49 degrees. The sign

Gemini falls in 12th house and Mercury is the 12th lord, which is

placed in 12th house itself. The 6th Lord Jupiter ® powerfully

afflicts both the 12th lord and the 12th house. Hence Mercury is

fully empowered to give a disease in it is period, which is related

to feet. Mercury further represents skin. Now Rahu could very well

behave as Saturn, disease and grief, since its house lord Venus is

also afflicted by Jupiter ®. Further this Venus is with a malefic

Mars. Note the mutual aspects of Saturn and Mars. Now Rahu and

Mercury are in 2:12 axis who are happen to be the MD: AD lords.

PD Lord Jupiter (6th Lord from Lagna proper) is highly qualified to

fructify this event in its sub-sub period since his is placed from

Rahu in 6th house. The individual enjoys the dasha of RA/ME/JU.

See this from Moon. Rahu the MD lord is placed in the sign of Venus

who is in 6th house of disease and 6th Lord. Mars the 6th lord

aspecting the Jupiter who is in 12th house of feet. Jupiter

aspecting the Mercury from 12th house.

Now see this from Rahu. Consider Rahu the MD Lord as Lagna. From

Rahu:

· Jupiter is in 6th house of disease. (PD Lord). Jupiter is

the owner of feet in universal chart.

· Venus is the 6th lord of disease placed in 12th house of feet

with Mars the 12th lord.

· Consider the mutual aspects of Saturn and Mars once again.

· Jupiter from 6th house aspects the Mercury (skin) and sign

Gemini, both are happen to be the 12th house and 12th lord (feet) of

the chart.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

December 1, 2008

Dear Balaji, Krishna and All,

You bring up a very interesting and important point regarding birth details

here, Balaji You are correct, most if not all astrology software will have

Denver, Colorado, USA in 1947 as 7.00 GMT with no DST.

However,

and this is where it gets tricky -

In USA after War Time ended and until 1967, States were not required to

uniformly practice or write DST time on legal documents that reflected the time

zone, or coordinate Time with other States or Counties in the country. They were

free to use DST or not.

It was a confusing mess, to say the least.

Astrology Software, does however, reflect what should be proper DST time vs.

Standard Time in their computations as uniformaly practiced in USA since 1967.

In reality though, until 1967 it does not take into effect what each State or

County or District actually practiced.

For instances, my birth in summer of 1951 is shown as DST in most astrology

computer software. However, Chicago and most if not all of Illinois was

required by County or State law to record birth time on certificates, as well as

other legal documents, in Standard Time and not as DST. Also, too, to make

matters worse, 24 hour time was not required to be written in USA on legal

documents. It was a choice by State or County. And, not required either, was

identifying a time by AM or PM.

Now, to add to all of this, in some States and/or Counties, Hospitals were

considered their own entity and time was recorded for deaths, births, procedures

and other events per the hospital's policy and not the State or County.

Jeez.

My husband's certificate of Live birth (not his original birth certificate)

shows a time of 7:35. No other information. This I believe is because when my

husband was adopted, his birth certificate was changed to reflect a certificate

of Live birth to show his adoptive parents as his birth parents for legal

purposes. In other words, there is no longer an original birth certificate.

His live birth certificate stands as his legal document of birth.

I have searched and investigated his time of birth extensively and have come up

with zero information on Time recorded at the hospital or in the county where he

was born. Records don't go back that far etc, etc. or they are buried in the

vaults.

For several years I was using his 7:35 birth time as AM in +7:00 Time zone which

gave him a 0* Cancer ASC. But, I have changed it in the last year to reflect a

DST or a +6:00 Time zone with a 17* Gemini ASC because he acts outwardly very

much like a Gemini. His 2nd hse Cancer with Saturn there also reflects his

financial security issues and other feelings he tries to deal with. Also,

this would make his Scorpio/Ma with Ketu and Mo there, his 6th hse and it would

better reflect the trauma of loosing his mother suddenly, at the age of 2.5yrs

old, from choking on a bone during an asthmatic allergic attack. It would also

explain why he hates hospitals and is obsessive of maintaining the health of his

body. When I also look at the opposite aspect from 6th hse Scorpio to 12th hse

Taurus/Ve with Sun and Rahu there, it explains a lot of the emotional turmoil my

husband has had to deal with through his life also.

I could be wrong - I am not that good at ratification but I think the Gemini ASC

fits better. I stand corrected if i am wrong.

However, as you pointed out - for the life of me i can't find the foot problem

in his chart easily.

On the other hand, Krishna, you brought up something that I clearly missed and

gives me insight to ponder and that is Mercury related to skin. And, how this

planet effects his chart in +6:00 time zone. With his current Dasha of Ra Me

Ra. Yes, I did note when I sent this request out for help that I hadn't

addressed the Mercury and was a little trouble by not fitting it in the

explanation or question. It was because I was not paying attention to skin

issues with Mercury.

The Significance and Karakas are so important. Mercury is skin and yet others

would argue that Rahu and Sun are skin problems/diseases or all are. Just like

some say Taurus relates to lower legs and feet regardless of its house

placement. That is why I was stumbling. I was relating feet to not only12th

hse but was also looking for Jupiter who rules natural 12th hse Pisces of feet.

It just wasn't adding up.

It is true that most States after War Time ended and before the USA Uniform Act

of Time in 1967 was enacted, Time followed DST in

legal document. However, again, hospitals were not required to follow and a

handful of States or their Counties followed their own legalities of recording

in Standard Time. Chicago was one of them. Parts of Indiana, all of

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and others. On the East coast during this time also,

one could litterally go through16 time zones in a two hour span; the differences

were that decisive.

I believe in the Files section or Database section of Jyotish-Vidya, I uploaded

an article a few years ago regarding Time in USA. One might want to have a look

at it for further information.

In the meantime, any further thoughts or advisement on my husband's feet problem

in chart analysis would be most appreciated.

Thanks so much for all your efforts, I always gain something from my sage gurus!

always,

Uttara

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote:

Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji

RE: Puzzle

jyotish-vidya

Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:46 AM

Uttara ji,

I used the data you gave (June 4 1947; 07:35 AM; Denver, Colorado [39n44,

104w59, 7:00 West, no DST]) and got Lagna as Kataka [00-05] with Haydn's

Jyotish. I used 14:35 GMT with PC Jyotish and got the same figure. The " 7:00

West, no DST " came from nlogn.com.

Still, using Kataka as Lagna, we find that the native is running RA-BU-GU from

Sep-15-2008 to Jan-16-2009.

Rahu is in the 11th (6th from 6th of disease and 12th from 12th of feet).

Budha and Rahu are associated with skin.

Guru, the 6th lord of diseases, is placed in the 4th in own star and is

currently transiting the 6th in the star of 2nd lord Surya, who is conjunct Rahu

in the birth chart and occupies star of Chandra, who is neecha and conjunct

Ketu, which probably explains your line:

///I, for the life of me, am having the most difficult time trying to access

where this is coming from in his chart.///

Hope this explanation helps :-)

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji. ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

December 1, 2008

Dear Ravindramani,

I knew it - that I could count on well learned members here to straighten me

out. This is a wonderful delineation!! Thanks too, for the lesson in looking

at the chart from different planets, signs, houses with all the minute details!

It truly makes sense and brings focus to what i was missing. What a great

lesson.

It looks like between you and Balaji and Krishna the thought is that Cancer is

the ASC in 7:00 time Zone w of GMT vs. a Gemini ASC. Which brings up another

point for clarification - How my husband acts outwardly more as a Gemini even

though he does not fit a twelfth hse Gemini/Me ruled person. I see him more

first hse Gemini/Me ruled.

This is a wide awakening to realize that the possibility of a very real reality

that 12th hse Gemini/Me is so powerful in action even though it is twelfth hse

acting more like first hse. There isn't even the same star lord connection to

justify.

Unless, of course birth time is off and both have a Punarvasu ASC Star Lord.

Thanks so much, I have learned a lot through how you delineated the chart!

Always,

Uttara

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

ravindramani <ravindramani

Re: Puzzle

jyotish-vidya

Monday, December 1, 2008, 11:16 AM